Hour 2 - Everything About Race Must Go

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As we predicted, I believe it was last week with Molly Hemingway, writing for the majority. He essentially says what is indisputably true that... Putting a congressional district together because of race is an unconstitutional gerrymander. Now, this is primarily but going to impact the South because there is a large black population in many southern states and as a legacy of the civil rights era. that Voting Rights Act had been previously considered to be constitutional to take race into account. Sixty years later, now they are saying that it is manifestly not the case that you can draw a racially gerrymandered district. Of course, Buck, this relies upon the fact that black voters overwhelmingly vote Democrat. So race is, in this case, a proxy for Democrat political support that is changing somewhat, but not super rapidly. And so the results based on the maps that I have all seen show that if... Republican red states take this Supreme Court decision and run with it. It originated in Louisiana. Louisiana versus Calais was the lawsuit when they tried to draw a second racially gerrymandered district in Louisiana. The plaintiff sued and said this is not permitted. And so, Buck, the numbers that I have seen suggest that Republicans could add 12 seats simply by removing racially gerrymandered districts, including potentially, as we just read in my home state of Tennessee, where the woman that I believe is going to be the next governor, current senator, Marsha Blackburn, has already spoken out and said, do away with the Memphis district. Let's make Tennessee 100% red. It also comes on the heels of Florida planning a redistricting. I believe, am I correct, that Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, scheduled to join us tomorrow on the program to talk about his proposed map, which would go to, I believe I'm correct on this, 24 Republican districts, four Democrat districts, and add four Republican districts to largely cancel out what Virginia did. But this buck is a... a title wave of potential impact when you consider that effectively we live in a 50-50 house world 12 districts that could become reliably Republican would be transformative potentially in the overall House races not just in 26 but in 28 and then we get the census and 30 and it becomes even more of a red world that we are living in.

Your thoughts when you saw this come down, that's the big background, and I can dive into the legal intricacies if we want to, but that's, I'd say, big picture idea of what happened. I thought that was jolly good. No, I'm just kidding. Sorry, I'll stop. No, I think that you laid it out very, very well. I think that a couple of things. I have a... 30,000 foot view of this and a 100,000, well, would that be like, probably the outer space, right? How, when does it turn in? When does the atmosphere? I don't know. We've got to look that up. But 30,000 feet, definitely you're in a plane. Planes go up to, I think, 50,000 feet sometimes, right? And then beyond that, the air is too thin for normal flight. Here's my thing. First level of this is, uh, I think red states and blue state, the consolidation by political affiliation in this country is going to become even more extreme. Yes. Because you're going to have people now who feel like if they, like maybe some people don't care about political representation and so they'll just sort of stick it out. But if you're living in, I mean, if you're living in Virginia. and you are going to have not only a, you're going to have a effectively entirely blue state, you know, or rather a congressional map, that's something that people might find very frustrating. You're going to be represented by a blue member of Congress and you have really no choice in that matter. So that's one part of this is that I think this is just ideologically you're going to see more sorting by. uh by uh party color and as you know i still am very annoyed they should be the reds and we should be the blue but because of tv this is the way it goes for now and then the other thing i think of clay is we just the the people need to start thinking more of things like the voting rights act as an emergency and temporary measure that is unworkable over the long time, over the long term, rather, because it inherently violates the most fundamental principles of the Constitution, of the founding, of our republic. And that is that there can be any distinctions made in law by race, by skin color, whatsoever. That is always a problem. It is always going to lead to discrimination, to legalized racism. And you note this even in a place like South Africa. People have seen this now. Yes, there was an insidious regime of anti-black discrimination under apartheid that existed. Now you have anti-white apartheid, essentially. You have anti-white discrimination going on in that country. That's also bad. And now I'm not saying we're in a South Africa situation, but I am saying that whether it's affirmative action in college admissions, whether it's congressional districts by race, everything by race must go. We must have the application of the Equal Protection Clause, the Constitution. And I understand that some of these are amendments to the Constitution. They need to go to.

this stuff needs to be, you know, the ones that classify people by race. Because it's inherently unworkable, too. You start to think about this. Okay, so what qualifies and what does it and who self-identifies and what is the government figure on this and everything? It's a mess. The whole thing's a mess. So that's my, in the sort of higher atmosphere view of it. But in the meantime, yeah, this is about power. This is all this really because this is about power. Democrats are using the history of racial discrimination to try to advantage them so that they can tell you what you can do today in this country with Democrat control in the House. That's what this is. Florida's House just passed 83 to 28 overwhelmingly the new map that Ron DeSantis has put forward that would add for Republican seats. And also it is now headed to the Senate. So this thing is moving in an expeditious fashion in Florida. Tennessee, I think, is going to have a special election season to redraw maps. Some states, to be fair buck, it's going to be very challenging because of when their primary is to be able to redraw the districts before we get to the 2026 elections. So I'll give you an example. Alabama, for instance, I think in mid-May. If I'm not mistaken, it has its primary. And so that would be really difficult at this point to do. A state like mine, which has primaries in August, I think could very easily redraw. Now, to be fair as well, the redrawn district in Virginia is currently in front of the Virginia Supreme Court to see whether or not it's legal. Expect that there would be legal challenges to all new districting maps. that are put in place all over the country. And we all know when court cases are arising, that can create complications. Buck, let me hit you with this question. I tweeted this provocatively, provocatively, I say. Provocative clay. Uh-oh. Showing a little leg here. What's going on? Yes. Ketanji Brown Jackson is not eligible to have been put on the Supreme Court based on the decision that you could read the line through in the Voting Rights Act. Let me just kind of give you this argument. If it is unconstitutional to racially gerrymander congressional districts, that is you cannot draw a congressional district to put a black person in office and comply with the Constitution, that is what the Supreme Court said today. How is Joe Biden intentionally saying I'm going to put a black woman on the Supreme Court constitutional? Think about it. If you can't racially gerrymander congressional districts in the United States, why can you racially gerrymander the Supreme Court? I don't know how many other people are going to start to ask this question. All Biden could have done, if he had just not said, I'm going to put a black woman on the Supreme Court and he had done it.

He could argue she was the best. She was the most qualified. He looked at all the candidates and he made that choice as a result. And you wouldn't be able to prove necessarily that her race or her gender, but in this case, her race had something to do with it. But that wasn't enough for Democrats because they play the racial spoil system to such a degree because identity politics is so real buck. Biden specifically and explicitly said, I'm putting a black woman on the Supreme Court. If you said that in a congressional redistricting on its face, it would be unconstitutional. So I legitimately mean this. I think it's provocative because a lot of people won't address it and they'll be afraid of, oh, well, I'm going to get called racist if I point this out. I don't think it's illegal. Under our Constitution for Joe Biden to have said, I'm putting a black woman, black emphasize here, right, because he did, under the precedence that the Supreme Court now has, not only for redistricting, but also for Supreme Court precedent on, for colleges and universities. Now, that gets complicated. We could get a legal nerd on here. I don't know how you challenge her appointment and argue that it invalidates the law, and it would actually turn into an interesting question, which would be, can the president violate federal law in this way? Does he have the province to be able to do it? It turns into an expansive presidential powers argument, and you would have to have someone who has standing and all these things. But a bunch of you are lawyers out there. Am I crazy on this or is the natural reading of this opinion today not a direct indictment of the legality of Ketanji Brown Jackson's appointment to the Supreme Court? I think it is. Well, in principle, but there's no mechanism for they're not going to undo a Supreme Court appointment over there. You don't actually think this is going anywhere. Well, I mean, you're being Clay the law professor, not Clay, the political prognosticator. Yeah, yeah. This is, again, I think the challenge would be standing on how to do it, but. If we're redrawing all these congressional districts because of racial gerrymandering, the Supreme Court was racially gerrymandered too. So anyway, I just think it's, you know, impeachment is the process by which you remove a justice. And that requires a tremendous amount of. of, you know, 67% or whatever the heck it is of the Senate in order to do. We can't get 67 senators to agree to anything, which is why the whole Trump impeachment is a joke on its face too. But I do think that it directly goes to her appointment, and I don't think it was legal under federal law as applied to the Constitution.

Oh, I'd agree. Well, I also think a lot of things have been done that are unconstitutional and illegal under the regime of affirmative action. It's kind of interesting. How do you retroactively think about these things? But the entire elite university industrial complex of our lifetime, really, was engaged in systematic discrimination based upon the understanding we have now of the Constitution of the Supreme Court. And what we basically decided was we used to be racist, so we have to fix the racism with more racism. I mean, that's the simple way, I think, to distill what happened. Yes, racism was bad, and it existed in this country for a long time. How do we fix it? Well, we'll be racist in the other direction to try to balance out the long-term inequities. That's basically the entire concept of affirmative action, which infected and impacted all aspects of American life. And now all we're doing, I would argue, is saying, well, we were racist. We swung too far in the racist direction. in the other direction, and now we need to come back to a race-neutral concept of the Supreme Court, which, interestingly, overwhelming majorities of voters, white, black, Asian, Hispanic actually are in favor of, because remember, even in California, affirmative action has gotten trounced when they actually put it on the ballot. Now, partly that's because the most discriminated against group from affirmative action, arguably, Asian. people when you look at some of the data on on college it was so offensive to what the way that harvard tried to cover up what they were doing was to say that asian this is this is from harvard to be very clear extremely academically elite asian students lacked leadership capabilities and didn't have good personalities it's like they were saying they were boring yeah that's what harvard was saying internally yeah That's a tough one. We love Asian people. Own a business, you must carry business insurance. But that doesn't mean you have to have six different brokers for the half dozen kinds of business insurance you need. Super Sure can change all of that. One broker for all your business insurance backed by a team that works with you year round, not just at renewal. And if you've ever stared at a policy wondering what it covers, SuperShore has a fine print fax tool. That translates the legal jargon into plain English so you know what's covered and what's not. Go online to super sure.com slash clay. Get a full report on your current policies with no obligations. Find out if you're overinsured, underinsured, or somewhere in between. Go to super sure.com slash clay. One powerful platform. All your policies in one place. Supershore.com slash clay. That's super sure. dot com slash clay paid for by super sure insurance agency LLC a licensed insurance agency if you truly care pass along this common sense to family and friends clay and buck owning the airwaves got plans this summer a brewery crawl another lake trip the same festival you've been to three times already do something different this august virginia international raceway becomes the ultimate summer destination

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I will readily admit that I know very little about music. I, other than the fact that Taylor Swift is the greatest, I saw where the New York Times called her, one of the greatest songwriters of modern era alongside of the Beatles. By the way, open phone lines here, 800-282-282. If you guys have questions about that Supreme Court decision, Fire away. We can answer, I think, most of those questions. And it's going to be interesting to see how all the different states are responding now that they have the ability. to, in theory, eliminate those majority, minority districts. Good work. We also need to talk about James Comey. We'll do that when we come back. Good work being done in Israel, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. They're behind all the work. They're on the ground providing medical supplies, food to vulnerable segments of the population, especially the elderly and disabled. The IFCJ is the best equipped nonprofit organization set up to do this, an organization that is building a bridge between Christians right here in the good old USA and many of Jewish faith living under harsh conditions in Israel. This is the same organization, the IFCJ, that activated immediate resources in the hours after the Hamas attacks, built bomb shelters, armored ambulances, meeting the needs of people in Israel. They've been doing it for 43 years. Join us and supporting them 888-488-48-IFC. You can go online at IFC.org. That's IFCJ. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay. We were just mentioning. Everything having to do with the Louisiana versus Calais, not my name, Calais, Supreme Court decision that came down today, 6.3 and how it's going to impact things. Also worth mentioning yesterday, the James Comey indictment came down during the course of the program, and he has now appeared in court and turned himself in. in the eastern district of north carolina all of this buck comes on the heels of last year him posting eight six four seven a sea shell um a picture that he posted on instagram he posted

After he took it down, I posted earlier a picture of some shells I saw today on a beachwalk, which I assumed were a political message. I didn't realize some folks associate those numbers with violence. It never occurred to me, but I opposed violence of any kind, so I took the post down. And this all in and of itself, Buck, is... Really ridiculous. He's a slimy liar. He came upon this and does not know who posed who made the Seashell 8647. There's a lot of talk now about what's going to happen. And some people are saying, oh, there's no way that you could ever get a conviction in this case. Here's what I will say I think is significant about this case. First of all, we know exactly what 47 referenced, because he certainly did. He took the picture. The question is going to be what does 8-6 mean? And one thing that I think is particularly interesting about this in the context of what the judiciary would think in the state of North Carolina, presuming this one day went to trial, is Colmy's a former FBI director. So his knowledge is going to be seen by the jury when it comes to criminal related issues as far more significant than it would from the average guy. Let me give you an example here. I'm a lawyer. If I was in a legal dispute and I argued with somebody that I didn't know what something meant in a contract. I think a lot of people would say, well, you're a lawyer. Did you read the contract? That's your fault. Did you have lawyers representing you? You can't defend yourself by saying, oh, I didn't know what was in the contract when you have a legal background. Some people who do not have legal backgrounds might have a better chance of being able to make that argument. I think this is going to turn into a really intriguing case in the event that it gets to a judiciary. gets to a jury because I think they're going to look at this and say James Comey hates Trump. There's clear animus involved here. And I think it's possible we get a conviction. I know some people out there saying there's no way that's going to happen. Okay. I understand that argument too. But I think the fact this is a North Carolina jury, we've seen Trump convicted on BS charges because people hate Trump. I think that there's a possibility that James Comey could be convicted on this. I mean, it's possible. Now that we know yesterday, if it was Northern, not Northern, it's actually Eastern Virginia is the district that it would, if it were the Eastern District, which is where they did it initially, I mean, I basically say no, because you won't even get past a judge there. So. as it didn't, I might add that already, we've already run that experiment. And the jury pool there, I don't know, short of like New York City, Los Angeles County, whatever they, I mean, to get, because Eastern District of Virginia includes all of Northern Virginia, which is just now, as we know, because of the way the congressional districts were drawn in Virginia, that's just the Democrat stronghold. That's where all the...

bluest of the blue arlington and alexandria voters are consolidated so now that we know it's north carolina there's the possibility that it could be a little bit more of a hot seat situation for James Comey. We have James Comey here speaking about this. He has put out a comment in the aftermath. Where is it, guys? He says, cut eight. Cut eight. Cut eight. Thank you. Cut eight. Another back. This time about a picture of seashells on a North Carolina beach a year ago. And this won't be the end of it. But nothing has changed with me. I'm still innocent. I'm still not afraid, and I still believe in the independent federal judiciary. So let's go. So he's so annoying. And the fact that this guy was the FBI director is shameful to that institution, I might add. It is grotesque. This guy's such a jerk. And so, so clearly a narcissist as well. I mean, really, oh, it's just so hard being so perfect and being sanctimonious James Comey and all of this. Clay, we'll see my concern, as you know, and I still stand behind this, absolutely, is that he will. turn this to his advantage. Yeah. And I might also add, I don't think James Comey's done being involved in government. I wouldn't be surprised if a Gavin Newsom or even a Kamala Harris administration, if that was such a thing that could happen, would bring him in. Maybe bring him in as Attorney General. He has a former prosecutor background. Well, who else is going to be the Attorney General for the Democrats the next time around? Everybody has to look at this like they want to do the big counterstroke. They want to hit us back. So I'm just saying, I think James Comey, this could go one of two ways in a lot of ways, if you know what I'm saying. The intent here will obviously be the case. And it's what does 86 mean? I'm also curious if he's going to stick with the defense buck that he was just walking along the beach and saw this. Very strange. I mean, I'd walk along the beach regularly in Florida. I've never seen somebody spell out a message with seashells, much less a direct political message that would correspond 100% with my political beliefs that I would feel compelled to take a picture of it, posted on social media, and claim, boy, I can't believe I found this political message on my walk on the beach that happens to completely reflect what I might believe, and it was totally without any knowledge of who did it.

I just, I don't think this is a very good defense. So I'm curious if he's going to stick with that one, which is, look, I took a picture of somebody who said death to them all outside, death to all of them, outside of the White House correspondence dinner on Saturday buck. And I posted it on social media. It said death to them all, or death to all of them. And also death to tyranny. I did it, are tyrants. actually say that. I took a picture of other people holding up the sign. So if somebody tried to prosecute me for something associated with that, I would just say, hey, well, I didn't make a death threat. I just took a picture of someone else's death threat. I'm curious if he's going to try to say that. Because I think the argument of I didn't know what it meant is a hard one for the director of the FBI to make. And so we'll see. I think as with all of these court cases, Buck is right. The judge matters. James Comey could defend himself by saying, I have a First Amendment right to make this comment. I was not directly saying that somebody needed to kill the president. All of those things could be in play. A bunch of people have questions coming in about the Supreme Court decision. Let me get to a couple of these calls. Charlotte in Virginia, Charlotte, what you got for us? Well, I just called in with the thought and something to look up. Will this ruling have anything to do with this horrible gerrymandering in Virginia that's gone forth? So I hope, if nothing else, if everything else fails, that that would be something that would impact it and say, no, this is not legal. Yeah, it's a great question, and I think, Charlotte, you're asking a question that a lot of people have. What is not illegal, so what is legal, is partisan political gerrymandering. And this is going to potentially be a tough put to sink for some states. Virginia doesn't have a huge black population. So I don't think the map that Virginia drew takes race into account substantially for purposes of its overall districts. They have a lot of Democrat voters in northern Virginia that they were able to basically put into as many districts as possible. And the predominant Republican voting region is in the southwest and it is smaller population. So I'm not sure how much race. I don't think a huge part race played in the Virginia district. And I'll give you an example of a state that has hardly any black people. Maine. Maine and Massachusetts both have very few black residents. They have huge partisan gerrymanders in their state. I believe I'm correct. Team, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Massachusetts has a single member of the Republican Party allowed in any of their congressional districts. That's just white liberals primarily in Massachusetts that are in that district.

Much of New England has completely eliminated the Republican Party to a large extent based on political gerrymandering, not on racial gerrymandering. This case had to do with use of race. Now, sometimes those correspond, but that's a little bit of a distinction. And then some people went away on James Comey. I'll get to Tom and Brooksville. Tom, fire away. Ridiculous that they're going after James Comey. for this seashell thing. It's just a sick joke. What they should be doing is going after him for acting like a judge and jury by letting Hillary Clinton off the hook for the crime she committed when she was Secretary of State. I think a lot of people agree with you, Tom. The problem you have there, statute of limitation is run. Yeah. So for people who are frustrated in saying, why in the world are they going after James Comey on seashells on the beach? It's because much of the James Comey statute of limitations have run out. They tried to get him for lying to Congress when they got the indictment last year, I believe it was, right before the statute of limitations ran out. But that case was tossed based on, as Buck was talking about yesterday. the appointment of the prosecutor being invalid under the law. So they didn't actually look at whether or not James Comey might have committed those crimes. They just said the indictment given where it came from was not valid. Same thing with Letitia James. They didn't address the underlying issue. So the frustrating thing here is the statute of limitations has run on a lot of these charges. Very true. Next call. Oh, do we have a next call? Yeah, we do. Eileen and Florida. There we go. Yep. Hey, Clay Buck, can you hear me? Oh, yeah. Yes. Okay, great. My question is, how is it legal that Ketanji Brown Jackson is still a Supreme Court justice when she was appointed with the auto pen? I don't think the auto pin has anything to do with Ketanji Brown Jackson's appointment. I would be stunned beyond belief if there was any sort of issue there. I mean, there's a lot that goes on there. I mean, I love a Biden joke as much as the next guy, but that's the auto pen is not the hard of issue there. Well, look, the Supreme, the Senate. Put Ketanji Brown Jackson through the ringer and put her on the Supreme Court, which is the role of the Senate is to advise and consent when it comes to judges. They did their job. My argument on Ketanji Brown Jackson is just, I think when Biden said, I'm going to appoint a black woman that it was unconstitutional under now interpretations of federal law. I do think it is kind of crazy that she's a justice. Yeah, but there's no mechanism to undo this, and it's not going to be able to. So this is purely theoretical. Well, you could theoretically, the Supreme Court could say the Supreme Court, which would theoretically have to then rule on Ketanji Brown Jackson, could say that her appointment violated federal law.

I mean, the chance, do you want to do a stake bet on this clay? Hey, steak bet. This is not going to happen. I'll take that side of it. The likelihood of the Supreme Court taking a case about whether one of their justices is able to be a Supreme Court justice. See, even though they seem to genuinely, even though they genuinely seem to dislike Ketanji Brown Jackson, I think that is a low probability event. He knows when the cards are not at his hands on this one. It's interesting theoretically, but the chance of this, they're talking like a one in a million shot here that anything would happen with that. Although it would be fun. It would be fun. Libs would get very upset, which is always good. Our sponsor, Sabre makes non-lethal self-protection tools you can use at home or when you're on the move. They've got a new product now that we're really excited to tell you about. It's a great example of technology and common sense. It's called the Saber Smart Pepper Spray. When activated, Sabre's smart technology alerts up to five emergency contacts and shares their live location until they're marked safe. If your family member is carrying it, for instance, you and four others would be immediately notified and able to act. That's peace of mind you can't put a price on. Sabre is the same brand used by law enforcement. Give your family protection that stays connected. Search Saber Smart Pepper Spray on Amazon. If you're an Amazon shopper, it's that convenient. One more time, the product is called Saber Smart because when it comes to your kids, you don't leave safety to chance. Last Learn. Hang with the guys. Right there when you need them most. Clay and Buck, just preset them on the iHeard app. Trade screen time for race time at Virginia International Raceway. August 21st through 23rd, IMSA's Michelin GT Challenge brings some of the coolest cars to VIR for an unforgettable family weekend. Explore, meet drivers, see race cars up close, and experience the thrill of racing from every corner of the track. It's more than a race. It's a memory waiting to be made. Kids 12 and under get in free. Get your tickets at VIRFam.com. That's VIRFAM.com. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our war fighters, delivers mission-ready intelligence, advances life-saving healthcare, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. The best skaters, BMX riders and moto athletes in the world don't compete in leagues. Until now. The X-Games League Championship is live from New Orleans, July 24th through 26th. Three days of elite action sports, plus performances from Metro Boomin, J-I-D, Subtronics, and Bunt. Watch on ABC, ESPN and ESPN 2. Stream on the ESPN app, Roku, Kick, Amazon, and X-Games YouTube. The inaugural champion gets crowned this July.

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