Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 4 2026

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They are saying that this is a Trump thing. It's because of the high gas prices. Yeah, the entire airline collapsed because of a temporary uptick in gas price. Give me a break. This was years in the making, and Democrats weighed in on it, and they, no surprise, made everything worse. And now the body of Spirit Airlines sits at their feet, if you will. This is all on. them. So, Mr. Clay, any surprises here at all about how this went down? We got Iran stuff. We got other things to talk about. Huge fraud in Ohio. We'll get to that. But Spirit Airlines, you're a Southwest guy, so at least this doesn't affect your itinerary. Fired up about this. And we've talked about it on the program a bunch of times over the years. And I do think this is one where when people in business screw up, you lose jobs and companies go bankrupt, right? Here the government screwed up, and this is where if you're a Spirit Airlines employee, I would actually like to hear from you. There's 15,000 some odd people who lost their jobs buck. Here is what happened, because I do think this data matters and this storyline matters and this narrative matters. And this is when I get really angry. When government screws up, real people suffer. And this is a perfect example of government screwing up. So Spirit Airlines was in peril as a business. And they sold the company. They managed to find a company that wanted to buy them. JetBlue offered $3.8 billion for Spirit Airlines. So if you owned stock in Spirit Airlines, you were going to be in a great spot. You were going to be in a position. where everybody was able to basically get onto a new company, JetBlue, and we were going to be in a position where the four biggest airlines out there actually had competition. So if you fly as I do, I'm on Southwest Airlines everywhere, Buck. If you fly Southwest Airlines out of Nashville, there's almost 100% chance that you're going to see me somewhere. I really like Southwest Airlines. Buck, I have... 2.5 million Southwest Airlines points. That has to put me in like the 0.1% of most frequent Southwest Airlines flyers. I don't even know. I wouldn't have to buy a ticket for the rest of my life. I could probably just use my points. But I love Southwest. It's the biggest airline in Nashville. They do a good job of getting me safely all over the place. Yes, it's not fancy. I get it. But that's the reality. All right. Then you've got American. Then you've got United. You got Delta. They need a fifth competitor to help keep down prices for a lot of different airports across the country. So needing heft, JetBlue said, we're going to buy Spirit Airlines for $3.8 billion. And then I want to play some of these cuts because I think this is so significant. Then Mayor Pete, who was the Transportation Secretary at the time, came out and said, We're going to oppose this merger. The Biden DOJ, which got everything wrong, Mayor Pete, who was totally unqualified to ever be in the cabinet and have this job. This is March 7, 2023. Mayor Pete announcing Pete Buttigieg announcing Transportation Secretary, we're opposed to this cut to.

Our department, the Department of Transportation, has generally not gotten involved in these merger cases, but that's changing today. It is so important to make sure that passengers have choices, that they have access to low fares, that they have access to competition, and yet we've seen less and less and less of that competition over the years. We are taking a step that, again, is unusual in terms of recent years, but we think is the right thing to do, supporting the DOC. Joe's lawsuit and independently using our own authorities, which are a little bit different from the DOJ, starting our own investigation and taking other actions. All right. I want to play another one because what he was doing was echoed by Senator Elizabeth Warren by so many other Democrats out there saying, oh, this is anti-competitive. This is going to make airline fares more expensive. We can't allow this. Here is another flashback. This is September 20th, 2023 on why the Biden DOJ was preventing this merger cut three. You're saying that we have four major carriers that represents 80%. of their traffic and adding another one would stop competition? By definition, a merger doesn't add a company at removes it. By definition, a merger also gives a further for a competition that they don't have presently of 80%. So our role is to make sure that there is more competition, not less, and we will only act to prevent a merger if there is a determination that a merger would harm competition. Okay, so in other words, we have four major airlines, represent 80%. of the traffic. You're saying another competition would be what? Would not be competition? My point is taking two airlines and turning them into one could mean less competition. Okay, Buck, wrong on everything. I do want to give credit there. Let me make sure that is Burgess Owens questioning. He is a representative from Utah, Republican congressman, really grilling him back in September 2020, pointing out the absurdity of this. So, Buck, they sue under antitrust law, a judge in Massachusetts, I believe his last name was Walker. Here's all of this, says, I agree with the Biden government. This will be anti-competitive. This allows the merger. Within a few months, Spirit enters bankruptcy for the first time. Now they have entered bankruptcy for the second time. And Buck, do you know what the end result here? I'm not even going to get into the 15,000 lost jobs, all the people out there who are going to have less opportunity to fly Spirit Airlines because the airline no longer exists. Everybody is going to now buy Spirits assets for pennies on the dollar, and the big four airlines are going to have even more power because they're going to get the Bill Gates, they're going to get the airplanes for pennies on the dollar, and the end result is going to be consumers lose. So the government got everything wrong here, and everybody loses, and I'm pretty...

pissed off about it frankly well well Elizabeth Warren a couple of years ago she wrote this is on x i've warned for months that a jet blue spirit airlines merger would have led to fewer flights and higher fares U.S. Department of Transportation was right to stand up for consumers and fight against runaway airline consolidation. This is a Biden win for flyers. That is actual tweet from, that is an actual tweet from Elizabeth Warren. She has taken Spirit Airlines and driven into the side of a mountain. It is no more. It is now the plane from Indiana Jay Jones, the Temple of Doom, that had no pilots and was just going down. She was proud of herself and proud of the Biden administration in doing so. This is why I am so angry to is when you screw up in government, nothing happens. You get reelected, the people that you screw over, there are no consequences typically for you. When you screw up in business, your company goes bankrupt. The CEO gets fired. When you screw up in your jobs, you get fired. They're real consequences. They weren't just wrong, Buck. They were the exact opposite of, like, sometimes you're wrong and you're like, oh, this is a little gradation of failure. This is, they did the exact opposite. All of these airline people were in favor of this merger. And now the American consumer loses, all of the shareholders lose, and probably even the debt holders aren't going to be made 100% fully, you know, compensated here. Yeah, the Biden administration was like a doctor running into the ICU and saying, take that patient off that, you know, IV drip right away. And the patient died. And now they're like, look what those other doctors did. No, no, this is what Biden's team did. They took the credit for it then. They take the blame for it now. Although I'll just note, Clay, there's something even more galling. We're going to be talking more about it because of the Ohio. Big Story in the Daily Wire. Luke Rosiak will talk about it. The fraud, I mean, billions and billions and billions of dollars. And Somalis are involved. Once again, interesting. It's one thing when government is wasteful and inept and stupid. Now, that's bad enough. But when government decides like a big, lumbering, blind giant to crush private industry because it's so dumb and feels like it, that's particularly annoying, right? That goes beyond even what we see with government waste. This is now the government wasting a company that could be doing just fine. Yes. Yes. Again, it is, I think that what this is indicative of is a lot of people just don't understand on the Democrat Party.

basic business. If you've never made a payroll, if you've never founded a business, and I'm not talking about a big, huge business. I'm just talking about have you ever run a small business that you hope to grow into a medium-sized business? I've done it. A lot of you out there listening have done it. Buck and I, heck, are doing it right now with Jasmine Crockett Coffee. There's all sorts of challenges associated with running businesses. And when people who have no conception of business, come and stop you from being able to do the best thing for your business. This is just, and by the way, this judge, across the board. All of the Democrat Party, all of the Biden DOJ and the judge who was assigned this case, they all got it completely wrong. And what happens to them? Elizabeth Warren has a multi-million dollar pension. Everybody who worked in the Biden DOJ is employed making millions of dollars. The judge who got this 100% wrong has lifetime tenure. Nothing happens to him. The people who lose are the Spirit Airlines employees. and the shareholders of Spirit Airlines who put their money into this company and were not allowed to profit because JetBlue couldn't buy their assets. And by the way, JetBlue probably is going to end up losing two because JetBlue is in dire straits and one thing they needed to do to be able to compete with the big four airlines. They needed to have a heft buck. They needed to have more airlines, more offerings, better opportunities for consumers. And now what we're going to see, I'm just telling you, is everybody out there on pennies on the dollar is going to buy the spirit assets and the strength of the four biggest airlines is going to grow. Something is really up here because the airlines like the health care industry. Well, I didn't know, that's not even really fair because there are health care breakthroughs. There are new exciting drugs, you know, talking about GLPs recently. Like that somehow the airline industry just gets worse all the time. Yeah. The seats get smaller. The service gets worse. The tickets get more expensive. So we know it has to be the government doing stupid things because otherwise the market would sort this out over time. So I'm very curious. If you really know, you know, if you're a former or a current airline execor, you can explain why is it that my airline attendants are more surly than ever, my seat is more uncomfortable than ever, and I'm paying more than ever for basically all of these airlines. At least that's what it feels like. Maybe not more than ever, but certainly more than I have in the last 10 or 15 years. I think it's exactly right. And this would go to my general thesis that I think a lot of you share. The more government gets involved in business, the worse the business does.

And so I think a lot of you are frustrated. Except if you're a Somali running a home health care business, buddy, then you're doing great because you just get checks for nothing, millions of dollars. Yeah, but I mean, it really is such an interesting test. I mean, what does the government do that is way better than private industry would be? I mean, I'm not talking about provide the structure like to allow capitalist structure to exist. The big picture of government. I'm talking about. Government getting involved in health care. Do any of you feel like health care is well run in the United States? It's infuriating. Government getting involved in what airlines should exist. It's infuriating. And Buck, the real thing is we've got to break here. Airlines, the fixed cost of getting competitive in an airline is so huge that it's hard. The moat that protects the existing businesses, you know how many billions of dollars you would have to raise to decide that you want to get into airline competition? I don't want to sound like a baby, but can Elon Musk just buy an airline and fix all of this, please? Elon Musk, if you're out there, you can do these. Apparently no one else can figure this out. You can do the space travel thing. I'm sure you can get a flight from, you know, Columbus to San Antonio going. I bet what Elon Musk would do. Honestly, Buck, I bet he would just design brand new airports. And I bet he would make the airport only exist for his airlines. I mean, it would actually be fun if you went back and you could redesign air travel. What would you do differently? But we'll take some of your calls. In the meantime, business insurance must have if you're operating a business. I operate a business. Buck operates a business. Many of you operate businesses out there. Super sure is the first company we know of that makes sense of all the business intricacies, the insurance policies. Owners must maintain to operate their business wisely. Business owners complain about multiple policies, multiple applications, different brokers, no clear view of how it all fits together. And when questions come up, not easy to get the clarity you need. Super sure will change all of that. One broker for all your business insurance backed by a team that works with you year round. Not just at renewal. And if you've ever stared at a policy wondering what it covers. Super Sure has a fine print facts tool that translates the legal jargon into plain old English so you know what's covered and what's not. Go online at supershore.com slash clay for a full report on your current policies, no obligation. Find out if you're overinsured, underinsured, or somewhere in between. Go to supershore.com slash clay, one powerful platform, all your policies in one place. That's supershore.com slash clay paid for by SuperShore Insurance Agency LLC, a licensed insurance. agency. Common sense never sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves. If you're trying to grow spiritually while juggling a busy life, Intouch.org is a really helpful place to pause and catch your breath. Sometimes you just need a moment to refocus and that's exactly what you'll find there. You can dive into practical, down-to-earth teaching from Dr. Charles Stanley. Read a short devotional that fits into your day or explore free study guides that speak to real life situations you might be dealing with.

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the other Somali. So they're just getting paid to hang out with their own relatives and doing things that normal families do, cooking for each other, cleaning for each other. And so just as we saw with Nick Shirley and everything else in Minnesota, them demanding to get paid for watching their kids or watching their neighbor's kids, which if they're not working, I don't know why they need daycare. They're getting paid to watch kids. They're getting paid to hang out with their own. you know, elderly mother. The Somalis have basically mastered the art of getting paid to do things that everyone else does just because they're decent human beings. But it's kind of on track to bankrupt Ohio because, you know, Medicaid is like half of Ohio's budget. Medicaid spending is like doubled in the last few years. And no society can afford to pay people to hang out with their own family members. Okay. So. In Minnesota, there seemed to be a desire on behalf of the Democrat Party not to look in very aggressively into the spending because Somalis were a huge part of their coalition and they saw it as maybe a price to pay for the political support. What's going on in Ohio? What is the politics behind this? How does a situation like this such that you could tell emerge? Um, you know, obviously it's very interesting because it's a Republican state, Republican governor, Republican legislature, but the attorney general testified to the state legislature not too long ago saying that he's being blocked from doing fraud investigations. Like really, it's almost like you'd have to be pro fraud to do some of the things they've done. They used to have a rule where you had to have a GPS in your car. If you're one of these butlers who's being paid to go from house to house and cook a meal for an old person, they had a GPS in your car just to make sure that you're actually going there. That rule was changed. So there's no longer GPS. The state attorney general is not empowered to prosecute these crimes or even subpoena people for Medicaid fraud because of turf wars where... the local prosecutors just don't want somebody intruding on their jurisdiction, but local prosecutors don't know how to do Medicaid fraud. You know, it's pretty technical and they're just doing like normal street crime. And so there's essentially nobody looking into the ins and outs of this. And I went there in, it's, I went to Columbus, Ohio, and it's, it's just very blatant. I mean, you, you pick a name at random and they're all foreign names. But you can look into it and they've got other businesses. Like they're just casually running this multimillion dollar Medicaid business on the side while they do other things. There's nobody in most of these offices. And it's really, I mean, it's either nobody is interested in fraud or in policing fraud in Ohio. One reason is 70% of it is paid by the federal government. So it might be the other people's money problems where. And I think Minnesota, this was true. It's like, what do we even care? Even if the money is being stolen, maybe it's going to help our economy some way. And it's really just the federal taxpayers' dollars, who cares? Yeah, Luke, this is so important what you're laying out because it's almost like a, it's a stealth universal basic income or something. I mean, it's a giant welfare program being paid by the feds. People think it's about necessary health care. Like, oh, my gosh, with these Medicaid dollars without it.

You know, people would be turned away from emergency rooms. They would bleed out on the floor. No, this is this, it's a giant scam. It's in all 50 states. This stuff is going on. But can you speak to, and obviously his piece is up at Daily Wire? We're going to link to his piece at clay and buck.com. Just make it easy for you guys. We're going to go check it out. But Medicaid Millionaires is the title. Talk about the businesses. Like, so you're discussing how they're these home aides or whatever they are, and they're really like. a butler that's a family member that's being paid to just hang out with you and and there's no proof that they're doing anything there's no requirements for any actual work talk to me about the businesses though that are acting as middlemen getting fat on these taxpayer dollars coming in and it's not even clear any work is being done Yeah, that's so important because the traditional archetype of the welfare queen was like somebody that's on a poverty program and they just got, you know, maybe some nicer food than somebody who's unemployed should have. This is, that seems really quaint now. Like we're so far beyond that. The new welfare queens are the corporations that provide poverty services to others. So they're billing these poverty programs as the, as the providers. And so if you do want to hang out with your family members and get paid, you don't have the ability to bill Medicaid directly. So you need to become an employee of a company who does. But your only client is really your own family member. So there are all these companies that basically just sit in the middle and take a little piece off of a billion dollars a year, which really adds up. And these are people that oftentimes have criminal records. are totally just reputable people. Some of them have like violent tendencies. And we're just like, oh, yeah, it's health. It's health care. And you know, you're heartless if you don't want that, want this. But it's huge money for people that are not actually providing any services. And, you know, basically. I think it jeopardizes the ability of Medicaid to pay for things that people really need. I mean, the original justification was if you have to go into a nursing home, it would actually be cheaper if we could just come take care of you in your house if you needed things. But then they expanded it to where it's not even nursing. It's just stuff that like your normal family would do like cook you, cook you dinner or just hang out with you. And the problem is, People aren't going to pretend to be like old and decrepit to go to a nursing home because nobody wants to go to a nursing home. But if you're getting free paychecks and you can still just hang out and do whatever you want at your house, there is an incentive for people to go to these doctors and get notes claiming to be infirm. And the Somalis in particular seem to be the ones who are exploiting that. And maybe Americans, we have skin in the game where we don't want to bankrupt our own country. And it seems like the smallies don't have any trepidation about that. How does this get fixed? I mean, I think that's the number one question that most people have out there. It's infuriating. It's frustrating. The amount of fraud is, frankly, overwhelming, it appears, in many parts of the government, but particularly all this home health care stuff when the government has gotten involved in health care. How does it get fixed?

Yeah, so I've got some ideas on that. I know a lot of people feel hopeless and like really blackpilled. I think there is a way to, I mean, one of the ways. to solve this is just to end the personal services waiver in Medicaid. And I think the Trump administration could do that. And like, you know, if you've got an old person in your family that they could use some help having somebody cook them lunch, great. You're just going to have to do that yourself. That's what families do. You don't need to build the government for that. And if that's a hardship for some people, you know, I think that's the cost of immigration, honestly, is we may have been able to have these programs before. But now we can't afford to have nice things because we have people from low-trust societies that will exploit them. But I'm going to be rolling out stories in the Daily Wire every day this week exploring these ridiculous scenarios where it's pretty clear that something absurdly sketchy is going on. For example, there's an accountant who lost his license for stealing public funds. And then he created a Medicaid company using the address of... the teenage son of a convicted money launderer. So like pretty clearly sketchy, right? But how do you prove that that dude isn't actually going to people's houses and helping them? Unless you have cameras and the names of the old ladies, you can't prove it. And so I think that it's very difficult to actually prove in the court of law fraud on some of these. And that's why I get really concerned that we just, if there is a program where fraud is almost impossible to prove, I think we can't have that program. So I think the Trump administration, bottom line, rather than playing whackamol with Ahmed and Mohammed Ahmed and Omar, Omar, and they shut down one firm because it's busted for fraud, but then their brother creates a new one next door. And we saw all kinds of stuff like that in my investigation. That's whackamol. It's going to take so many resources to police the fraud. I say we got to just end this whole Medicaid waiver for personal care. Thank you so much, Luke Roziak. Dailywire.com is where you go for the piece. I appreciate you, man. Good work. And we'll have you back on. Thanks, guys. So, Clay, I can just tell you from, I know this from friends of mine who are either current or former federal, current or former federal prosecutors. A lot of financial crime, which is rampant in this country these days. It's tough to get people, you know, there has to be a little more to it a lot of the time. It takes a lot of man-hours and woman hours. It takes a lot of manpower hours. And most of these federal prosecutors, it's all just drugs and guns. Drugs and guns, drugs and guns, illegal guns. But this is what they spend their time in the big prosecutor's offices dealing with a lot of the time. Because... They're easy. Those are easy to prosecute. Makes it seem like you're doing your job. It never stops. It's always, by the way, it never stops. But actually looking into this stuff and seeing that the federal government is being ripped off, I mean, they're just finally catching up with people who did massive COVID frauds years ago. I think we're catching a small fraction of it.

I just still, I mean, I think we should. This would be, if I had a magic wand, I think we could cut in half all discretionary spending that the government puts out there. And I think the actual impact of normal Americans would be negligible, right? I mean, in other words, if we just cut, and I understand, I'm talking about discretionary spending. If we just cut it in half, I think there would be zero impact. I think the money would be spent better. And ultimately what you come back to is this was where the conversation we were having earlier. When the government gets involved, typically things get worse. And the government is super involved in health care. And we have created all of these different plans and all these different outcomes that are designed to try to pay people to do health care jobs. And a lot of these groups like the Somalis seem to be able to recognize, oh my God, we can just exploit it. This is where Buck, you go to the culture of Somalia. It is a exploit as many people as you possibly can culture, right? It is a high trust. It has been lawless, has been a lawless place. and largely like 30% of the population addicted to a stimulant called Kat, which they chew on, largely lawless place for as long as you and I have been alive. Yes. And so the exploitation of people is deeply ingrained in the culture because it's do that or you don't survive. That's right. And that's just the truth. Okay. This is the reality of day-to-day in Somalia. Never mind all the violence and everything else. And I would just point out, Buck, if this were really an issue, there hasn't been any complaint about people not having daycare. Right? Like, if you remember, they basically finally have shut down a lot of it. Nobody's suddenly saying, oh, my goodness, my entire family is thrown asunder here. This Medicaid has just been turned into a giant welfare slush fund that has less and less to do with anything related to actual. health medical issues, and now it's just a welfare fund, but it's so much easier because politically you have to say, hey, guys, we're spending too much on Medicaid. It's like, you don't want babies who have a cleft palate to get a surgery and the, you know, oh, my God, the heartstrings are pulled on right away. No, I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with people making thousands of dollars a month to hang out with the relative and watch TV because they don't want to do an actual job. And that's Medicaid. And that's what we're seeing. I'm not okay with companies billing $200 million. This was Medi-Cal, but Medi-Cal gets a lot of money from the federal government. $200 million for prescriptions that aren't actually even going out. Like, I'm not okay with that. And you would think that people would be on board for this, but we've got to bring this focus home. By the way, Clay, I reached out to JD Vance's team. I want J.D. to come on and talk to us about this fraud because it has to be more than just a few high-profile prosecutions. It has to be systemic change. So we'll get into this. Mother's Day is one of the most beautiful moments of the year to share life-changing news. Maybe you've seen it within your own family, a family gathered around the table when someone stands up and says, next year, there's going to be a brand new mom in the family. There's nothing like it. But for some women, Mother's Day feels very different. Instead of celebrating, they're carrying a secret. They're afraid. They're unsure. They're alone. That's why pre-born exists.

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And the answer might well be yes, we will see. In other words, will ship owners put their ships on route? President Trump says so far a South Korean ship is the only one that has been challenged at all, and they maintain that ships should be able to exit. One, will it work? Two, and maybe this is partly a little bit of a... a trap that President Trump might have set. If it does not work, meaning if Iran is firing on this ships, what is the United States going to do? How aggressive is our response going to be? And maybe I should add a third one here, Buck, which I think is interesting to think about too. It's one thing to get the ships out. What ships are going to go back? So I don't hear very many people discussing that aspect. There are a lot of ships that have been choosing not to leave the straight of four moves. They've been basically held hostage by the threats of Iran. If you get your ship out, who's going to go back? So I do think we talk about the, I guess that would be the egress, right, the departure from the Strait of Hormuz. But the ingress, that is, who's got a ship outside of the Strait of Hormuz that's saying, hey, you know what I want to do? I want to put my ship and send it through that straight because if you're just a business owner. You have to be concerned that your ship will get held up on the other side, just like all these ships are doing. So I guess my point is cleaning out all of the backup in traffic would be great, but we're still in kind of a difficult situation for Iran in particular because I don't know who's sending their ships in at this point once they get out. You might decide, hey, you know what? Maybe there's other routes that I want to send my super expensive tanker ship on. that don't have the possibility of getting them held up where I can't make money for them for a couple of months. And I would think crews, once they come through as well, I know we're not talking that much about the people that are on those boats. That's got to be kind of awful to just be kind of spending idle time sitting there in the straight. And so I do think that it's not only getting those ships out, it's what's the response going to be once they are out that we need to be contemplating. So you're feeling good about things right now? I am. You think that Trump has got them pretty much where he wants them? I mean, Trump is certainly a bullion on his prospects. I think that's the correct usage of that word. We already got mendacity in today. I think a bullion. We got two big-time words into the show. One of the fun benefits of Clay and Buck, we throw those fun words around. Trump on his latest Iran proposal, this is cut eight. Here's what he says about where things stand now. Are we forgotten a wrong? No, I haven't. I haven't. I'm looking at it up here. I'll let you know about it later. But, uh... Mr. President, last night you said we might be better off not making a deal with the problem. Well, I wouldn't have to. I didn't say that. I said that if we left right now, it would take them 20 years to rebuild. But we're not leaving right now. We're going to do it so nobody has to go back in two years or five years. You also said last night that... They told me about the concept of the deal. They're going to give me the exact wording now.

The concept of the deal. Unfortunately, Clay, the devil is very much in the details when dealing with the Iranian regime on where this is all going. But Trump has also laid out. This is in the cut nine. He says, We might have to light them up. Light him up, Linda's style. Play nine. What circumstances can't restart military strikes? Well, I don't want to say that. I mean, I can't tell that to a reporter. If they misbehave, if they do something bad. But right now, we'll say. But it's a possibility that could happen, certainly. It's possible we could start blowing up stuff again, Clay. So where does this go? Well, I think the question is, what is Iran actually going to do? Like we said, I mean, so far there does not seem to have been much that they've been able to do to these ships. But how long does the uncertainty factor in? Let me hit you right now, Buck, the price of oil and gas right at $105. Okay? It was, to kind of put it in perspective, it spiked in early April. So about a month ago, it spiked all the way up to $112. This is crude oil futures. Then it plummeted all the way to, let's see, like 75. And now it has slowly worked its way back up to around $105. So it's still below by about seven bucks where it was in early April. But it is up today. So I think what everybody is kind of sitting around and waiting for is, okay, how does this go? And again, to me, the question is not so much the ships that are still in the straight that haven't been willing to come out. It's to what extent would you commit your ship? Like, pretend that you're in the international shipping business. There are all sorts of routes, all sorts of different cargo that you could take on from all different sorts of parts of the world. Would you send your ship back into the strait of four moves? It's one thing to get it out. It's another thing to send it back in. And this is why ultimately, I think Iran is in dire straits. I think Iran is in significant economic upheaval danger zone right now. And the way that I would analyze it is we don't know exactly how much more oil and gas they can store, but we know it's not very much. And again, a lot of you guys out there listening to us right now are oil and gas experts. But if Iran is going to shut down its production of oil and gas because they have nowhere to be able to store it, then I think they find themselves in an intractable position where their entire economy is going to collapse. We have effectively destroyed their military. Did you see they're talking about using dolphins? Did you see this story from the Wall Street Journal Buck?

that they are going to use mine-carrying dolphins. This is what Iran has threatened the United States with in the straight-of-war moves. We talked about the little speedboats. I don't know how suicide dolphins would be another way to put it. I don't, it doesn't seem to me like it would be very reliable to have suicide dolphins, but that is basically where Iran is when it's threatening some of these ships coming in and out of the straight of four moves. Now again, with drones, you can do damage without having to have that much, that much. actual military capacity. But I do think the story of mind-carrying dolphins is a sign maybe that Iran's military is not in great shape. So I think in the next 24 hours, we will find out what percentage of ships are able to leave and what that will do to the overall oil and gas industry. But I think the challenge that they're in, Buck, is... If they can't sell oil and gas, the entire economy collapses on a degree that even so far it has not already. And I think that's going to be really difficult for them to overcome. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent here said straight up that this is now an economic fury campaign. And this is cut 16. He just says, we're going to financially suffocate them. Play it. Three weeks ago, the president gave the order to Treasury myself to begin economic fury. And the way to think about that, we were running a marathon over the past 12 months, and now we are sprinting towards the finish line. And I can tell you that we are suffocating the regime, and they are not able to pay their soldiers. This is a real economic blockade. And it is in all parts of government, all hands on deck. It is the blockade that are great. Navy is doing. No ships are getting through. And we have up the pressure on anyone trying to remit money into Iran to help the IRGC. I don't see how the Iranians get around this because their only real play is to try to get us ensnared in ongoing negotiations while they get relief. And it just sounds like Trump's position is no relief until you agree to what we want. Yes. And again, I just don't see the hand that the Iranian government has that's very good to play. Because just, again, presume some form of rationality. And I understand some of you are going to say, well, they're thoroughly irrational actors, I understand. But the only way they really get money is by selling oil and gas. If you blow up a ship in the Strait of Hormuz, you create the situation that I just asked, which is, why would any new ships commit themselves to any sort of Iranian commerce?

if at any point in time Iran can get angry and blow up the ship. I think the answer is rational business people would not do that. So Iran is going to be in a... such a weak position that I think economically they're even going to be in a worse shape than they are militarily. And this is why I think a lot of the media that's covered this has done such a poor job because they've tried to make it seem like Iran has got some incredible situation that they control. Their economy, I believe, has collapsed. They've lost 40% of their economy since this war started. The United States economy is setting all-time record highs in the stock market. The price of oil and gas has gone up, and that's frustrating. But I would analogize it to the way that the price of eggs went up. Remember when early in Trump people were like, oh, my God, eggs? And then the price is going to come down, and everyone who's been telling you to panic is just going to stop covering it. I think by the fall, the price of gas will have come back down precipitously to somewhat similar to what it was before this all started on February 28th. People disagree with me. Okay, we'll see. By the time we get to the fall and people start voting, we will see whether the price of oil and gas has come back down. I think it will have come back down a great deal. And so I think you pay attention to it and see how this is going to shake out. And I just don't see Iran having very many good options because they have to sell their oil and gas buck. The only way it gets out is through the Strait of Hormuz. And if they start blowing up ships, no one is going to go. And... and decide that they're going to put ships into the situation. So, again, I think all of that is significant, and I think we're in a tough spot for Iran. I think that you're... You sign off on a scale of 1 to 10. If I'm an 8 on the this is going to work out fine, where would you put yourself on the 1 to 10 scale right now? And how would you compare it to 2 weeks ago or 3 weeks ago? um i'm like a six or a seven i'm more i'm certainly more optimistic okay i was a solid five i was like i don't know could go could not go but i think now the trump strategy as it stands here makes sense to me to get to the outcome that they want and they're not falling for i was worried they were going to fall for the the ropa dope of oh yeah sure let's talk let's talk just open up the straight for our shipping yeah no they're not doing that because then we would know exactly how it would just completely it would turn into a delay game and they would play all the games they've been playing the whole time so yeah i'm like i'm like a six or a seven i'm not quite as optimistic as you because it's the middle east and i've been burned too many times but trust in trump has been a very effective policy on this for a lot of people so far a very effective position i should say We've got a bunch of calls. We'll get to some of those. We will continue to break down the absolute latest there. But I want to tell you, if you are out there right now and you are thinking to yourself, my roof's in rough shape. And there are a lot of you that may be thinking that right now. I've had some tough weather. Maybe you've been living in a home for a long time. Maybe you thought, hey, we're going to be out of this house. But then mortgage rates have been frustrating and you've got a good rate and you don't want to move. But you're looking at the ceiling and you're saying, I don't know how this is going to work. Erie home can hook you up.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with me as we are, and Buck, as we are rolling through the program right now. A couple of other things that are out there, Buck. I don't know if you saw this, but I do know that. graduation season is upon us. And I bet a lot of you out there have kids and grandkids who may be graduating. For instance, in a couple of weeks, my oldest son is graduating from high school and he'll be off to college. We're excited about that. But Wall Street Journal this morning, I was reading. And if you've got kids that are out there looking for jobs, get your pen. Maybe you got grandkids. that are out there looking for jobs. The Wall Street Journal ranked cities, Buck, for the best to find jobs right now if you are a young 20-something, right? And then they also factored in, which is pretty cool, cost of living, available housing, all of those things, that if you were 23, 24 years old, and you're thinking to yourself, okay, where should I start my career? Where would be a good place to go? number one city is going to stun a lot of people. So I just want all of you prepared for the number one city that for cost of living, hiring is best for 20-somethings in America according to the Wall Street Journal. Birmingham, Alabama. I think there's a record scratch out there for a lot of you saying Birmingham, Alabama, you wouldn't have expected. Now, if you went to Auburn or you went to Alabama, or you are listening to us in Birmingham. I've got a lot of family in Birmingham. I've spent a lot of time there. But here are some of the others, Buck. And I just thought it was interesting. You talk about red state versus blue state. Just listen to this list. This is the top. I jotted down the, basically the top 10. Birmingham, Alabama, number one overall. Tampa, Florida, number two overall. San Jose, California, surprise me a little bit, but that's kind of the tech area. Columbus, Ohio, Buckeye fans will be happy about that. Raleigh, North Carolina. Tulsa, Oklahoma, San Francisco, and some of you are going to say it's kind of a record scratch. San Francisco has actually started to get more affordable because so many people have left, candidly, that there's actually for young people starting to be more affordable housing. I think that's also the story with San Jose. Nashville, Tennessee, where I live, Charlotte, North Carolina. So of the top 10, the vast majority of those are in, Red states, many of them are in the southeastern part of the United States here. Then New York City, Denver, Fresno, California, Austin, Texas, Baltimore, Providence, Rhode Island. That is the top 15 markets. Buck, how many guesses what I've had to give you?

to get Birmingham, as Birmingham, Alabama, as the number one for affordability and job availability and also just the ability to find a job, number one, according to the Wall Street Journal right now in the entire country. I would have honestly and truly guessed Nashville if you had asked me this just because I know so many young people, younger people are moving there. I assume the housing market has just gotten a bit hot, a little pricey. Yep, it's gotten a little bit more expensive. Yeah, new units and things like that downtown or pricey. Birmingham, I've been in the downtown there. Producer Allie and I did a little exploration of Birmingham and has some beautiful areas. I know it has a really high... crime problem, unfortunately. So if it gets that under control, it will be fashion to see if Memphis starts to creep up on some of these lists, because Memphis should be a great city that people want to live in. But if you deal with the crime issue, which it seems like it is being dealt with, there's, I think, a lot of reason to believe that it would do very well. But yeah, I'm trying to think of those, of any really surprises. Baltimore also has some beautiful parts. The crime problem, though, man. I don't know. Crime. I've spent a lot of time in Baltimore, and Baltimore is rough. Rough in a way that, like, other cities that have rough neighborhoods don't even come close to. I think what you've seen in some of these places, and Baltimore is an example of that, is places that are white hot. Like, Nashville is number eight on this list and has been very hot. I think what you're starting to see is people are looking at other areas. For instance, Chattanooga, which is in Tennessee, Knoxville, obviously in Tennessee, has started to get a lot of the spillover from Nashville because people say, hey, it's too expensive here. I think what you're starting to see with a city like Birmingham is Atlanta for a long time has been white hot. Charlotte, Nashville. I think you're starting to see other southern towns if they can make decent strategic decisions, be pro-business, pro-growth, safety matters a great deal if you're in your 20s. It matters tremendously. And I will tell you, Buck, Nashville started to take off when all the Bachelorette showed up in town. And you might say, okay, what do bachelorets have to do with a city getting hot and becoming a place where people want to go? Women want to go where it's safe. I saw a video from Spencer Pratt, who's running. We're trying to get him on for mayor of Los Angeles. He had a great video. He's standing by a playground, and he just said, I want to be the mayor for women and children in Los Angeles. We used to say women and children first. If you look in cities where women, young women in particular, feel like they and their girlfriends can safely go is a city that is going to skyrocket in popularity. If you own a bar, what's the most important thing to make a bar successful buck? Chicks. Pretty girls.

You get pretty girls to go to your bar. You are going to be minting money. So I used to have ladies' night back in the day. You go downtown in Nashville. Every bachelorette in America is coming into my city now. It didn't exist for a long time because it's so safe. In the downtown corridor, you can walk from one bar to another. You know that you're not going to get assaulted. It is the number one thing. And so a lot of these places like the Birmingham, Alabama's, Tampa is number two on this list, Buck. Miami where you are, so popular, so expensive, that some people are starting to say, hey, I still want warm weather, but maybe I can afford to live in Tampa at 25 in a way that I can in Miami, frankly. Miami got too popular too fast, and I guess I'm a part of that problem. But housing here and cost of living here, and also the infrastructure's ability, the roads. There's really no mass transit here. the road's ability to handle the popularity of Miami. It's just we have some of the worst traffic in the entire nation now and some of the highest housing prices and also with insurance prices and things. It's not an affordable place to live. Which is a shame because there was a time. If you really at foresight, you could have picked up waterfront condos for... 100 grand apiece back after the financial crisis in 2009. I mean, I mean, nice, nice inventory stuff. We would have had to hold on to it for a while. And now those are all going to worth a million bucks, a million five. So there was a time to get involved in everybody that I know that's a longtime landholder in Miami has just absolutely. done phenomenally well but the new the new people showing up are paying very very high prices so this is a thing i mean you have to look at cost of living job opportunities all the safety all of these things together baltimore to me i'm telling you if baltimore cleaned up the crime problem and and also just the blight there's a lot of urban blight you know yeah boarded up houses and stuff It's an amazing, it's 30 minutes, it's basically a suburb of D.C. It's 30 minutes from D.C. on the train. It's a quick, quick drive on the highway. There are beautiful parts of downtown Baltimore. The waterfront's really nice. Honestly, you just need like a Republican mayor and a serious city council to come in and be like, we're not going to do with this crime thing anymore. You could make that city so much better and so much nicer, but I don't think they're going to do it anytime soon. I'll give you another one on this list that I think may surprise some people, Tulsa, Oklahoma. I think a lot of people, this goes to Dallas and Houston and other parts of Texas, Austin, that have been so incredibly popular. People are finding Tulsa and saying, okay, it's a little bit more affordable and has a flavor that is not dissimilar to those places. So anyway, I just think it's graduation season. I know that a lot of you have kids and grandkids out there timing on the Wall Street Journal putting this out, I thought was intriguing. Where would you tell your kids, your boy?

If you were graduating college now, not going to college, what would be your top three places? Forget about you and Laura, of course, wanting to be close and everything. Let's say Nashville's off the list because he wants to experience something else that's new. So that takes that off the table. Yeah, so I'll tell you the answer on Nashville. My wife's already thinking about this, where are the boys going to go? I said, oh, they're coming back here. She said, how do you know? I said, there's more pretty girls in Nashville per capita than anywhere. 23, 24-year-old boys, they're going to go where pretty girls are. I feel good about them ending up back here. So let me take Nashville off the table. If I were giving advice... I mean, again, the career matters because advice, for instance, if your kid is going into tech or venture capital, I mean, you may not love the city, but I would say you should be in San Francisco because that's where that environment is. That's where there still is a tech, the tech focused industry. And, you know, in the same way, if your kid was going into finance and wanted to work in an investment bank, I would say New York City. So stepping out of that. I would, I think it's going to be really hard. I would go Texas, Tennessee, Florida. I would say you find a city in either Texas, Tennessee, or Florida, zero income tax, money flowing in like crazy from so many people that are super wealthy. I think there's going to be dynamic businesses created and opportunity for growth. If I were bullish on three states right now, I think lack of state income tax in Texas, Texas, Tennessee, and Florida, I would tell them to pick a city in one of those three markets, one of those three states. and say, start your career there. What about you? You've got almost 20 years to you're going to be thinking about this. But I would go with one of those three states. I think the next generation, Texas, Tennessee, and Florida are going to be creating substantial gaps between themselves and other places. And look, part of being successful is you, right? We believe in individual autonomy and everything else. But you also should go where the fish are biting. And you can be the greatest fisherman in the world. And if you're in a lake and there aren't any fish there, it doesn't matter how talented you are. So I think going to a place that's going to grow is going to help you be more successful. I would pick one of those three states. I would say if the, if job, if we control, if job is removed from it as in. You know, we're not taking that specifically into account because that matters a whole lot, right? Yeah. I mean, if you're really going to do finance for the most part, you still want to be in New York. I mean, the big boys are mostly in New York. Or if you're going to do government, you should be in the Washington, D.C. area, right? Like, yeah. And D.C. as much as you, some of you are going to groan, Clay and I have both been D.C. residents for years in the past. In your 20s, D.C. is a great city.

Because it's for the access you have, it's relatively inexpensive. You can get some row house, get six-year buddies, have some big old Victorian row house. And, you know, this is what people would do. And you're not paying that much in rent. So DC is cool for that. I would say, though, just three cities to pick for anyone who's listening and their kids, their grandkids. If they were starting out, they want San Diego, I think is amazing. I'm just going to tell you. I'm taking California off the list for taxes. It is an amazing place. I don't disagree on San Diego being extraordinary, but I wouldn't tell my kid to go to California right now because of the finances. I would say San Diego, Charleston, South Carolina, and I love, and you know what, West Palm. I would do West Palm is really starting to boom. I would go for the Florida city I would do is West Palm because there's a lot of good things happening there. It's not as congested. Miami's insane. Miami's like more expensive than Manhattan now in a lot of places. Miami prices have just, it's priced truly has price people out of the market. So that's a little bit. That's a shame. That's why. Honestly, I think that's why Tampa has sprouted up as people like South Florida. but Miami's gotten so expensive. Tampa feels like an accessible entree point. I also, I've always loved Savannah. I've had people tell me that they've moved to Savannah and they feel like Savannah is not that welcoming to outsiders, which I... That's true. That's the whole state of South Carolina. They're like not... Savannah's not psyched. When you come in, you're like, I just bought a beautiful old row house. They're like, who are you? I'll give you a South Carolina example, Buck. And this is 20 years old, so granted it may have changed somewhat. When we were, we did it on campus interviews at Vanderbilt Law School, you know, different firms come in from all over the country. They told us, don't even bother interviewing with the South Carolina law firms unless your family has been in South Carolina for a long time. Yeah, that's kind of what I've heard. That's kind of what I've heard. It's funny. You and I did not coordinate this beforehand. I have picked that up from multiple people, especially Yankees who want to move somewhere south. I just thought it was super interesting because I'm a born and raised Nashville kid. And a lot of you out there, Atlanta, Charlotte, you know, decent-sized southern cities that have grown a lot. The only state, and it was Charleston, it was Columbia, it was not exclusive to any one area. They said if you want to go to a Charleston law firm. your family needs to have been in South Carolina for a while. Only city, only state where they said anything like that. Florida, Texas, you know, Tennessee, all the other places, you know, New York, California, wherever you might have been interviewing. It's a good law school, right? You would think South Carolina law firms would want a lot of young Vanderbilt lawyers. They're like, ah, not unless you've been there a while.

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