Hour 1 - The Deadliest Stretch

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Do you see what Kamala Harris's numbers are looking like these days? Oh, she's going to be the nominee. This is so, this is so disappointing. This is so disappointing. Because, because one, she's going to be the nominee. Two, you're going to end up being right on something, which drives me completely insane. And I can see this train slowly coming toward me right now. Clay's victory dance is going to be the nominee because she has already begun the campaign. The numbers that continue to come out reflect that she is substantially in the lead. Gavin Newsom has already begun to fade. Everybody was talking about how brilliant he was. Oh, he's doing all these different podcasts. His wife is crazy. California is a mess. I'm going to try to regain some analytic dignity here by pointing out. that I violated one of my own precepts of the foundation of the Democrat Party these days that we learn during the Biden administration, Clay, which is that it's not a candidate. It's a machine. The candidate doesn't really matter. In fact, the candidate is a figurehead for the broader Democrat mechanisms to go into place. If I had thought about that, I would not have made a foolish bet with you about Kamala Harris because, of course, Kamala Harris can be the nominee. It doesn't matter. She's a Democrat. She's black. She's a woman. They'll make it happen. That is, I think that is likely to be the case. Unfortunately, as much as I wish it were not going to be the case. But I would say the, I think you'd probably sign off on this now. The number one story going forward right now is what is the price of oil and gas? Is that fair to be a rough proxy on, we've got record highs in the stock market. And I don't want to play into Democrat talking points and their obsession with the price of oil and gas. But I do think it's probably worthy of analyzing right now, as we speak, crude oil futures, right around $100. They are coming down about 5% today. As this news has continued to come out, Pete Hegseth says the ceasefire is not over. We expected some churn. Listen to cut one. No, the ceasefire is not over. Ultimately, this is a separate, a distinct project. And we expected there would be some churn at the beginning, which happened. And we said we would defend, defend aggressively, and we absolutely have. Iran knows that. And ultimately, the president's going to make a decision whether anything were to escalate into a violation of a ceasefire. Here's an idea bucket. I know the White House monitors this and they probably have discussed it somewhat. I think there is an argument and I will make it and I believe it is actually a good argument. I think if President Trump went out and said the United States is going to ensure the fair transit of the ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

by actually giving insurance to all of the ship owners that are on this in the Strait of four moves. Let me explain what I mean by that. That means if your ship gets hit and it goes under, the United States will help to pay the $100 million value of your ship and cargo. And some of you are going to say, well, I don't like the United States taking on this obligation. I would suggest to you that the price of oil and gas would drop almost $20 overnight if the United States said that and if the free flow of goods began again in the Strait of Hormuz, which means the cost of us making that insurance guarantee would actually be overwhelmingly paid for in the collapse of oil and gas prices. I think it would be a smart strategic move. It also then allies the United States on the side of commerce. And I think Buck automatically sort of labels Iran then as the terrorist actor. Because if they are going to attack any of these ships, we have established, we want free and fair passage of them. I would not include Iran. in that guarantee right now until the peace agreement happens. But every non-Iranian flagged ship, we can make the determination on it. We would provide insurance to and free support for them to transit the Strait of Hormuz. Crazy idea, good idea. How do you assess it? You need someone to pilot the ship, Clay. I don't think they care that much that there's insurance. If they're worried they're going to get blown up or shot or capital. Oh, so you think I think the pilots will go. Oh, I think you don't think so. There was just a South Korean vessel attacked, what, in the last 48 hours? Let me put it to you this way. If you're the captain of an oil tanker right now that's about to go in there, or you're like, well, Lloyd's of London has my back, so no problem. I think if your boss said, hey, I want you to go, I think probably they go. So I think the owners of the ship, you're a model employee. I would not. The owners of the ships. I think are concerned primarily about the safety of the physical cargo and the ship itself. I think the crew is concerned about the safety of the crew. So you think the crew would mutiny, basically, and say, we're not going. Yeah, dude. For sure. Yes. Okay. Absolutely. I don't know. I think that a lot of them are. These are Navy SEALs who are piloting these. They're not like, they're not, you know, shining their M-4s. I think a lot of these guys are probably going borderline insane, like cooling their heels in the, they are, maybe you have to give them hazard pay in order to take the risk. But guys get on the deadliest catch. I used to watch that show. You couldn't pay me enough money to strap in and frigid seas and try to drag lobster out of the ocean. If you pay people enough money, they will basically take a risk to do anything.

First of all, Tennessee man, crab, not lobster. Lobster is the northeastern. Look at this guy, everybody. You see this? He's like, they're grabbing all the lobsters off of Alaska. I don't want to be on any ship that I could fall off. There's no amount of money you could pay me to go out in cold water and try to drag in crustaceans. All right. Point one, Tennessee, man. Stick to cobbler. Point two, I think you are forgetting how much. the risk factors for people that are in now you might say well it's only one ship that's attacked yeah but who wants to who wants to be there's a reason we had to have this whole anti-piracy program off of somalia as long as we did because they were and everyone's seen uh what's what's the what's the movie um Not Captain. Oh, I'm the pirate now thing. Yeah, yeah, I'm the captain now. We all know that line. I can't remember that. Anyway, there's a reason we have that it's like Captain Smith or something, whatever it is. That's Tom Hanks, right? Captain Phillips, I said Smith, Captain Phillips, same idea. Look, here's what Trump says about the ceasefire. He just said this a few minutes ago, so you're getting the most up to Clay's like, eh, get some insurance, man up. I think people would go. I think if we insured the boats, the evil profit-focused owners of the boat would just say, go. I hope you're out. I hope, you know, I hope everybody who works for Clay in sports media is hearing this. He's like, Sometimes we've got to lose a few good guys to make a buck. No big deal here. I got to say it's true. It's true as the awful boss. I mean, you know, if the Super Bowl, we lose a couple of people at the Super Bowl, it happens. You've got to be there to cover the Super Bowl. He's like, you know, a stampede here, a stampede there. All right, this is cut 30 Trump moments ago. Play it. What do they need to do to violate the ceasefire? Well, you'll find out, because I'll let you know. They know what to do and they know what to do, and they know what not to do, more importantly, actually. And, you know, they fired them in little boats with pea shooters, you know, the peace shooters, little boat, you know, why? Because they don't have any boats anymore. Their Navy is comprised of, they call them little boats. And they're fast, yeah, they're so fast that they had eight of them and they're all gone. And they're fast, but they're not fast like a missile. A missile is slightly faster. They're all gone. So they're looking around for little boats to try and compete with our great Navy. We have a Navy that's unbelievable. You know, we set up a blockade, as you know very well. Not one ship. A couple tried, and they got their engine shut out. So you got 10 to 20 boats going. through the Strait of Hormuz, I think, as of May 5th, it says here. So usually it's like 100 to 150. So it's way down. So some ships are going to, so some of them are willing to run the risk. But this is a 90%, 90% give or take drop from normal levels. So it ain't open yet. Not really.

90% drop is not open. No, no, no. I mean, and again, I'm trying to think of, you may be right that the crews are going to mutiny and they won't go. I actually think that most of the hang-up is not as much fear of bodily injury, although it's an interesting thing to think about if the crew just says, oh, sorry, we're not going. I think it's the fear of the ships themselves being attacked. And if we are people on those ships, so if you're afraid of the ship being attacked, that means that people could get shot. Clay's really. Do you put on a top hat and a monocle when you do this analysis? I think if you pay those, look, again, if you pay the guys and you say, hey, I don't know what the average shipmate on one of these tankers makes, let's say you just said, hey, we got to get this thing out. We want commerce moving. I'll give you each more 50K to take the risk. I think most would go. Here's the bigger concern I have about this, though, Buck. Everybody's talking about the ship's leaving. My question is, who's going to bring their ship back? Because if I get my ship out of the Strait of Hormuz and it has been stuck there for a couple of months, Why in the world am I going to take my ship back in and risk again that it could be stuck there? There's any number of global shipping routes that they could go on. So I think while the focus is and my solution for the insurance gets those ships out and gets the commerce moving out, I don't know who's going in. And that's the biggest issue I think going forward because you get out however many hundreds, a couple hundred ships are backed up right there. You get all that out. That's good, but it doesn't solve the issue because I'm not taking my ship back in there. Well, I think you're totally right about this. There's a huge difference between I think it's quiet enough we can get out of here. That is a risk versus maybe we should finish our run, come back and see how that goes. That's where crewman Clay would say, hey, I'll take the extra pay to get out. I'm not taking the extra pay to go back because I might get stuck in there for a couple months. And here's the other thing. You're having to pay all of these guys, probably hazard pay, while they're just sitting, cooling their heels up from Iran waiting. You know, you look at the ship tracking. And I think we have to get done. To get a Clay and Buck show from a deadliest catch ship in like the Bering Strait, it would have to be, they would have to pay me. It would be crazy money. You know what I'm saying? It would have to be like. I don't know. Because that would be rough stuff. In order, sorry, what particular job? To do the deadliest catch thing right now? I wouldn't get on a boat to run the straight for, I mean, you'd have to give me like a couple hundred million dollars. Yeah. I mean, I'm not risking, I'm not risking my life because I'm not a ship guy. But if I were a ship guy, like the ship guys are crazy, right? I mean, to their credit. I love this. He's just like, you know, no big deal, guys. Just see if the missile hits you. All right. We'll come back to this year in a second. If we have any people that know about shipping and from this world, please weigh in with your thoughts on this one if you ever worked on a container ship or you've been a captain of one. Okay. Let's talk about something really important here for a second. Tunnel to Towers Foundation. Born on America's darkest day of 9-11, the Tunnel to Towers Foundation has been helping America's heroes ever since. Heroes like United States Army Specialist Anthony Vargas.

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Clay's like we may lose a few guys out there, but it's worth it. May lose a few guys. Again, you ship people, you're tough. I just come back to the deadliest catch. I would ride on a straight of Hormuz boat over trying to go catch what it was it, trying to catch crabs out in the Pacific Ocean. There's no way. It's freezing. They actually put, you have to clip in so that the waves knock you off. You don't drown? I'm not going anywhere we have to clip in. If you ever have to clip in for anything on a boat, I'm out. You were just telling me, I'm going to be down in Miami. You'll probably freeze to death before you drown in that water, just so you know. Both are off. But you only have a few minutes before you go full hypothermic, and that's not going to be good. I'm not. If you tell me, hey, you just got to clamp yourself in here just to be safe. I'm not getting on that boat. But we got a bunch of things. You won't. Yeah, okay. Producer Greg is sending me text messages. I am not excited about swimming from Alcatraz, but it would end. And unless a shark ate me, I would survive. I'm not excited about being shark bait because Buck got me nervous. The woman got eaten on the triathlon. Just off the coast of California, not very long ago, they swim from what's the great off the coast of L.A. Catalina. Where the wine festival happens. Beautiful. Catalina Island. She's training for the triathlon and a shark just ate her. And my buddy was telling me, Buck, you sound like, this sounds like something you would have watched. There's a new documentary up, I think it's on Netflix, about how. Taking away the ability to hunt seals on the East Coast has led to a huge increase in great whites. And now there's tons of people getting attacked because it's so much more fertile hunting. Have you heard about this? There's a documentary. You don't buy it? It's not tons of people getting attacked. I mean, there's, you know, there's a few attacks here. What you are seeing, there's some 15 to 20 footers off the mayor on Amity Island who's upset when the shark, like he wants to open the beaches. A woman was swimming with her daughter, and either the mom or the daughter just got eaten off the coast by a great white in the last year or so. They were just on a nice swim. In the Pacific? No, no, on the Atlantic side. Well, that was in, I think you're talking about a case in Maine, which is the only fatal shark attack ever in the history of Maine. Just happened. That was like five, six. That was years ago, though. That wasn't recent. I'm telling you, I think it's connected to there being more seals on the East Coast now because we're not letting people kill seals. This is what my buddy told me. I got to watch the documentary. It's super popular right now. One of the biggest trending, they decided. Yeah, I'll watch it, too, because sharks scare me. And I'm not the one who's going to be swimming from Alcatraz Island to shore. That's going to be clay. I'm going to be drinking hot cocoa in the launch boat. But the shark thing is scary. We're going to get back under the news of the day, everybody, I promise you, because this is what happens. We get into Animal Thunderdome, and all of a sudden, did you see the guy in the belly of the crocodile, South Africa? Now, he may have drowned first because crocodiles will eat.

things that are already dead um you know i saw that they lifted the crocodile by helicopter clay it weighs almost a thousand pounds well that doesn't seem like a good decision to me that's what i'm saying like i who was the poor bastard who had to hook the crocodile like i would just kill the crocodile on the beach well they wanted to do a full uh they did an autopsy yeah and they found the guy's body and they found I believe six shoes, not his in the crocodile's belly. Yeah. Yeah. This was a, this was now people say were those all people who drown? I wouldn't bet on they all drown. I don't think so. This is a serial killer crocodile if he had six shoes. Yeah, Nile, like Saltwater and Nile crocodiles are enormous and very dangerous. And they kill hundreds of people every year. If you want to know what animals are dangerous, all right, I'm sorry. All right, I know we're weaving. We're weaving. The animals that are really dangerous, first of all, in places like South Asia and Southeast Asia. A lot more people die of venomous snake bites than you would think. Snakes are still very, very dangerous. Crocodiles take out a lot of people. Mosquitoes, like I said, are still unfortunately the number one killer of human beings by far. Buffaloes and hippopotamai are also very dangerous. Water buffalo and hippopotamai. And this is what happens when you're a guy who dune scrolls animal stuff on your phone. You start to learn all these facts. All right, Clay. We got a bunch of, we got a bunch of talkbacks. This is Trump. So both funny and serious. Did we play? We haven't played Trump on, did we play Trump on gas prices, right? We played a cut on that. Producer Greg, help me out, because I just send you a bevy of these. Are any of these overlaps with what we have already played, or are all of these new? Because I was grabbing this all just happened. I know we didn't play this. Here, Trump has asked what Iran would have to do to violate the ceasefire cut 30. What do they need to do to violate the ceasefire? Well, you'll find out because I'll let you know. They know what to do and they know what to do. And they know what not to do, more importantly, actually. And, you know, they fired them in little boats with pea shooters, you know, the pea shooters, little boat. You know, why? Because they don't have any boats anymore. Their Navy is comprised of, they call them. Little boats, right? And they're fast, yeah. They're so fast that they had eight of them and they're all gone. And they're fast, but they're not fast like a missile. A missile is slightly faster. They're all gone. So they're looking around for little boats to try and compete with our great Navy. We have a Navy that's unbelievable. You know, we set up a blockade, as you know very well. Not one ship. A couple tried and they got their engine shut out. Okay, and then here is another one. Trump says, he was asked, why hasn't anyone risen up against the existing Iranian regime?

And here's what he said, cut 31. People say, why aren't they protesting? They want to protest. But they don't have any guns. So you could have 200,000 people protesting and have five or six sick people with guns. And when they start shooting them right between the eyes and you see a guy fall and another one fall and you have no guns, very few people would be able to stand there. I mean, I understand it. I tell them not to. Don't forget, they killed 42,000 people last month. 42,000 unarmed protests and had no guns. So they had a 250,000 people crowd. And they had snipers. They had like four or five snipers in buildings up high. And you're standing there and all of a sudden, the guy in your left goes down and somebody. That's what happened with a woman protest. They had 200,000 women protesting a year ago. And everyone thought that was the end of Iran. I've been saying this for a while that a lot of people got eliminated who would have been the brave souls out there. Now, I think, Clay, they were killed during the crackdown. You want another clip. Go ahead. Yeah, no, and this is just a fun. And we got loaded lines, a lot of you weighing in on the insurance idea. We'll see whether you are like me and just say, you know, full speed ahead. Damn the torpedoes. You're reminding me of, this is a great, a great scene in Braveheart when Longshanks is like. is like arrows cost money. Send in the Irish. The dead cost nothing. You know, that's you right now, buddy. You're the king of England sending in the Irish to get their asses kicked because arrows are expensive. Got to get them out. Here is, this is also funny. I mentioned that the kids have the presidential fitness. Trump is doing this press conference while there's a bunch of kids standing around the Oval Office. Trump asks the kid if he thinks he could beat up Trump in a fight. This is cut 34. I don't think we have to worry about you. Yes, sir. You're going to do good? Are you a strong person? Yes, sir. I think you can take me in a fight? That would be embarrassing. That was like a 12-year-old kid that is standing next to Trump. Trump with kids, Buck? underrated. I actually think when they do events with Trump, because he's actually a pretty good grandpa, when he was explaining to the kids the Biden auto pen, I think it's hard not to have a positive reaction to Trump when he's interacting with kids at these White House events, Easter egg roll, Christmas related. I still think. Turned down the radio when Trump was talking with the kids about Santa Claus and he asked how old the kid was about Santa Claus. That's one of the all-time great Trump clips. I mean, honestly. All right, we got loaded lines. We'll get to some of your loaded lines. We come back. In the meantime, next weekend? I'm getting nervous. No, this weekend. This weekend is Mother's Day.

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There is very safe in the U.S. Virgin Islands. There is a one-and-a-quarter mile swim across the bay in Megan's Bay. I used to live overlooking it. When I was down there over the holiday, I was looking at that, and I was thinking, now, granted, it's warmer. But it's still a mile and a quarter. And I feel like I could prove that I could swim that mile in a quarter without being attacked by a sharp. Oh, I'm sorry. In your bath temperature water under a beautiful sun. Do they give you a backrope while you're doing it? This is preposterous. Most of the people that believed I could not do it was about the distance more than it was about the temperature of the water. I mean, I was going to be in a wetsuit. Nice warm wetsuit. This is, I appreciate the call. I feel very confident that I could do it. And I'm willing to do it in a way that does not put me at risk of being eaten by a shark if we can contemplate a way to do that. I'm going to let Tom and Tampa bill you out here. He's on the lines live. Tom, what's going on? Hey, Clay and Buck. Listen, I just wanted to hitchhike on Clay's comments about the insurance thing. There is. Definitely some legs there, but I think it's important to understand a little history. Lloyd's of London is the insurer of last resort, as you guys know. But it's important to understand some history in the 337 years of Lloyds of London on the high seas insuring vessels. This is the first time in history, even the Yom Kippur War, which you would probably know about. uh... bark because of the CIA. Even the armed of poor war, Lloyd's of London still insured. So for this to work, each loss of a tanker at the bottom of the sea, including the cost of a tanker, and assuming a 345,000 barrel of oil to the largest tanker you can do, is about $35 million. So the, so the asterisk to Clay's idea is that The U.S. would literally have to take over Lloyd's position as the insurer of last resort. And I don't know, Clay, you're an attorney. I don't know the legal machinations of that, but the idea has legs, but the problem is Lloyd. As I understand it, for the first time in history, is refusing to insure everybody going through there. That is the real issue. What I think, I don't think anybody's really talking about that. No, look, Tom, I should have explained a little bit more. You're exactly right. My idea on insuring is predicated on many of the current insurers are saying they will not insure these boats. Your math is a good one there. I would say $35 million for a tanker if it went to the bottom of the sea. That's like not even what a Somali daycare makes from our government. So the overall cost here, my point is, and we'll talk about this a bit more because I do think it's an intriguing idea.

The overall cost would immediately vanish in terms of the premium on oil and gas. We would get back far more than we would be insuring, in my opinion. And it would, I think, immediately knock $20 off a cost of a barrel of oil and gas, which would overwhelmingly make gas prices more affordable here. Makes it a net positive for us, too.