Hour 3 - Toxic Leftwing Empathy

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No, I did learn that a few years ago the hard way. But now my oldest is 13. And so, you know, and, you know, she's very on top of things. And so, no, we got it done. It was a successful Mother's Day. All right, successful Mother's Day, successful Monday. I am reading from your substack right now, urgent, a huge win in Barensen v. Biden. And I'm reading from what you just posted. Today, the Trump administration, and I settled the federal government's role in Berenson versus Biden, your lawsuit. After three hard-fought years, statement includes a six-figure payment, and the government said, that the government did in fact violate the First Amendment by exerting substantial coercive pressure on social media companies such as Twitter to suppress disfavored speech like plaintiffs. Okay, this is something we've been talking about with you for three plus years. You were one of the first guests we ever had in studio on this program five some odd years ago when Buck and I started. fill in people who may have forgotten or may not have been aware about this lawsuit and what the result that you just announced means. Sure. So, you know, I don't want to, and stop me if I get too deep into the weeds here because I tend to do that because so much to happen. But, you know, 2020, 2021, I'm a pretty loud voice. on what was then Twitter about, you know, being anti-lockdown, being anti-pro reopening schools, anti-masking kids, all that stuff in 20th. All of the things, by the way, that we were saying, Buck and I were saying that. Almost you were saying we had very little support back in the day compared to today when everybody's like, oh, yeah, I always knew shutting down schools was dumb and that mask made no sense. Sorry to cut you off. But we were in the wilderness a bit five, six years ago with these arguments. It was a sharply dislike position. And in 2021, you know, I started raising questions about the MRI and COVID vaccines. And Twitter, by the way, had said to me in 2020, was there the last gasp of free speech Twitter with Jack Dorsey and said, hey, you know, we usually like it that you're raising these issues. And so then in 2021, it got really hot because I was talking about the MRNAs. And I think even people on the right at first were a little, you know, they were a little taken in by the, you know, this is going to end COVID. And these are the greatest, you know, this is like the greatest medical advance of all time. And we're all going to live forever if we just take MRI. I mean, I'm only exaggerating slightly. That was pretty much the tone.

Even people who had some questions about the MRNAs were kind of like, let's do this and we'll satisfy the, you know, the people on the left who were screaming about it. Meanwhile, Pfizer was making like $100 billion, no exaggeration. selling these. That's what they made in 2021, 2022. And so there's a lot of, you know, a lot of business pressure, a lot of even more societal pressure, media pressure, political pressure. And, and, and in the summer of 2021, Twitter started to crack down on me, even though I wasn't saying anything, you know, that was not true, anything I didn't have science to back. And in August of 2021, and my audience is only getting bigger, by the way, by, I, in 2021, had two billion impressions from my tweets in the first few months that I was on. And then abruptly in August 2021, they banned me. Okay. And I was like, this is wrong. Like, oh, and the other thing you've got to remember, and maybe people do, maybe people don't, was August and September, even though the vaccines had come out earlier. Well, really the peak months, the fall of 2021 was the peak of societal pressure. Why? Because the vaccines had already started to stop working by then. And so the Biden administration did two things in response to that. It said, hey, we want to mandate these through employers for healthy adults. And they were very aggressive about that. And the other thing is they said to everybody, we want you to get boosters. We know we told you, you know. two shots is going to work and it's going to last a lifetime or, you know, it's going to last a long time because that's what vaccines do. Oh, we were wrong. We want you to get boosters. And, and I was like, I mean, I don't think I'm exaggerating. I was maybe R of K too, but like I was one of the top couple of voices saying, what is going on here. This is, this is not what we promise, we're promised and there's this myocarditis issue. And we really need to think about this. And I got banned. And so in 2022, I sued Twitter. And everyone said, all these people on the left said, oh, you don't have a chance. You're wasting, you know, money for people who donated to you for this. You're just being a jerk. There's something called Section 230. And that says that Twitter can do whatever it wants on this platform. Forget it. Well, guess what? Even though I had to sue in San Francisco, federal judge, who was appointed by Clinton, really good guy, said, hey, this guy actually got promises from Twitter in 2020 that he could talk. And all he was doing was talking. And I think the Twitter broke its contract with him. And that was a huge win. It's the first time ever that anybody was able to sue for being thrown off a platform and even have a prayer of getting back on. Twitter then settles with me. And in their settlement in 2022, they hand over.

They handed the documents to me. Sorry. No, I thought we lost you there for a sec. So Alex Barrensen on with us. Okay, let me just kind of cut into. Cut to the chase here. Yeah, cut to the chase. So they have settled. They have given you a six-figure payment. They have admitted that the Biden administration behaved inappropriately when it came to this. Here's my question for you. Yes. Do you think that what has happened to you? Because you and I and Buck were all very big in the opinion that the government should not be serving opinions out there, particularly private actor opinions like yours on private platforms, right? Is that have lasting precedent or would the Biden administration just do all over again what it did to you if in the future, maybe it's going to be this hanta virus, we end up in a situation with another pandemic like situation going forward. Do you think there are? precedent that stands out here that is going to be protective in any way of you or do you think people who know better will run cover and hide when it comes to actually standing up for free speech in a time i would argue it matters more than any other which is a time of crisis so that's a great question question And I would say that you're kind of having two questions and one there. Question one, is there a legal precedent here? And the answer, unfortunately, is no, not, there's not, okay? What I may be able to get to, and again, I don't want to delve too deep in the case. My lawsuit, I'm still going forward. I'm still doing Pfizer because what I learned when I settled with Twitter and what the Twitter files showed and then what more documents that Elon Musk provided, and I'm very thankful to Elon Musk. His lawyers provided in 2024 showed clearly that Pfizer, which is a private company, obviously, was working with the government to get me kicked off. And to me, that's a huge scandal. Okay. Okay. So let me follow up on that. Are you going to be continuing your lawsuit? I think I know the answer based on reading your substack. You are going to be continuing your lawsuit against Pfizer, correct? Correct. Correct. And so maybe I'll get more documents that will show just how much collusion there was. That said, If we want to change this in the future, there really has to be some laws passed that will more clearly state what the government can and can't do in its interactions with these social media companies. And ideally, there'll be something passed that will make it possible when your rights are violated this way. And this is something that I would hope the left would agree too. If your First Amendment rights or your bill of rights, constitutional rights are violated by the federal government, you should be able to sue them and get money damages.

And right now you really can't do that. It's very, very, very hard to do that, which is one reason that my lawsuit didn't go forward the way I hoped it would against the federal government, and we settled it. So the settlement kind of protects the federal government in this way. So that is like, so that's the question about the law. Okay, the question about whether or not people will stand up, that's, I hope people will stand up. And I hope the fact that Elon Musk now owns X. And it's pretty clear he's not going to buckle to pressure to suppress people talking about vaccines or whatever. Alex, can you get a really good thing? Can you stick with us? Come back because there's a couple other questions I want to hit you with. All right. We're going to ask Alex about the crazy number of conspiracy theories that have now emerged on the left. I also want to get a quick answer from him on the backside here. How dangerous are the COVID shots looking now that we're having a longer runway for those? and more. We will get to that maybe about the new Haanta virus too. I don't know if he's done into that one yet as there's some nervousness emanating associated with that. But I want to tell you all out there, if you are nervous about your kids, maybe being out and about, maybe they're finishing off high school, maybe they're going off to college, maybe they are just working late nights in restaurants or shopping districts, or maybe they just drive through regularly areas of that have you a little bit nervous. This is a great product. And I think it is super cool. And I would encourage all of you to look this up and go get it yourself like I have. There is a Sabre Smart Pepper Spray. It's available on Amazon so you can use your usual Amazon accounts. This is a small handheld device. You can keep it in a purse, a backpack, even your pocket. Cool thing about it. If it is used, it immediately notifies up to five different people and shares your location. In other words, if your loved one is in danger such that they need to use this pepper spray, you get an alert. It lets you know exactly where they are. How spectacular is that for those of us out there who may be worried about family members? Maybe it's your elderly parents. Maybe it's your young kids. Heck, maybe it's your wife, your girlfriend. Who knows? Saber Smart technology, it's amazing. Again, you can get this on Amazon. Type in S-A-B-R-E-Smart. Saber-Smart. It will pop up. It's Saber-Smart pepper spray. Peace of mind, helping you to take care of your family with protection that stays connected to you. Search Saber Smart. That's S-A-B-R-E-S-R-E-S-T. pepper spray on amazon you can get it on amazon today because when it comes to your kids when it comes to your parents when it comes to your family you don't leave safety to chance saber smart pepper spray on amazon today looking for normal in a world of crazy clay and buck have your back if you're trying to grow spiritually while juggling a busy life intouch dot org is a really helpful place to pause and catch your breath Sometimes you just need a moment to refocus, and that's exactly what you'll find there. You can dive into practical, down-to-earth teaching from Dr. Charles Stanley. Read a short devotional that fits into your day or explore free study guides that speak to real-life situations you might be dealing with. Whether you're looking for direction, comfort, or simply a little encouragement to keep going, there's always something meaningful waiting for you. It's easy to use. It's available any time, and it meets you right where you are in your walk with God.

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The long-term effect, look, if you got two shots in 2021 and, you know, your head didn't fall off in the next five years, you're probably okay. I think, well, concerns me, you know, people like my mother, who's an MS now, you know, watcher who got shot after shot after shot and who's older, I think some of those people may have suffered kind of long-term consequences, especially, you know, stuff like cardiovascular issues. There's nothing you do about it except to stop getting the shots. I'm pretty optimistic that there's not going to be some huge cancer impact, for example, at this point. I think if that were going to happen, it probably would have happened. Okay. Dr. Anthony Fauci quickly, should he be charged? Today is reportedly the deadline, according to Rand Paul. I know he's got a pardon, but in your mind, would it benefit us, meaning people who are still angry about COVID, to charge him and at least make him fight his way through the charges arguing that he had a pardon? I don't think so. I don't think he's going to be charged. You know, we talked about this a little bit two weeks ago. And I don't think he's going to be charged. And I think I've come around to the idea he probably shouldn't be charged because it might make some people who really hate him happy, but he will just add to this perception that, you know, he's 84, 85 years old, and he's being pursued and it's not fair. And, you know, and a lot of people really like him. So, you know, honestly, like, if you're interested in getting some justice here, you should hope my lawsuit goes forward. Okay, you should hope. that I get some information from Pfizer because that would be helpful. Okay, I'm going to ask a combo question here for you. 42% of Democrats believe that the shooting at Butler, Pennsylvania was staged, also high percentages on the White House correspondence, dinner shooting, and also the West Palm Beach attempted assassination. Now there is a new hauntavirus outbreak on a cruise ship. I'm going to let you just kind of dive into the conspiracy era that now exists out there, and how much do you believe it is directly connected to so many of the conspiracies? in quotation marks about COVID having been proven true. Yeah, I mean, I think we talked about this two weeks ago too. You're absolutely right because, you know, we relied to that this couldn't possibly be a lab leak. We relied to that masks would, you know, help. And we had to close schools and we relied to that, you know, two shots of this MRNA and you'll never, you know, you'll never get COVID in the rest of your life. All is the proves not to be true. And it was a real, you know. mistake by the scientific establishment, and they've not dealt with it. They've, you know, a little bit around the edges. And so I think it's created this space that, you know, the people on the left and, you know, some on the right are filling with, with nonsense that gets them followers and is very profitable for them. And it's a problem. You know, I noticed in your promo, you had something saying, you know, like, listen to us.

Don't, you know, if you want something real, and I think hopefully your voice and voices like yours win. I like to think that's true. Our audience has skyrocketed. I mean, we got 600 AM FM affiliates. We keep setting records. We've got satellite radio now. I think it's because sanity is so rare that there are a lot of people out there that just want to have measured reasonable common sense. And I'll mention this to you, Alex. When we had you on back in July of 2021, there were so many people angry that we had you on to talk. You remember this. We had you in studio in New York. to talk about the fact that the COVID shot was not working like they said it, and people were so angry about it. Now, five years later, a lot of people just want to pretend this never happened. Yeah, you're right. I mean, and I do think people like you, people like me, I mean, my audience is a fraction of yours and unreported truth, but it's a strong audience. And those. There are people out there who want the truth. And sometimes, you know, they want the truth even if it doesn't always agree with their ideology. And I hope we can keep reaching those people. Hey, this is outstanding. As always, keep us updated. Congrats on the settlement. And we will do our best. I already shared the link so people can read it. Thank you, Alex. Thanks, bye. Look, I want to tell you right now, let's see, what do I need to do? I want to tell you about rapid radios. If you want to stay in touch with everybody in your life and make sure even in times of catastrophe that you were able to be in touch with them, you need to get rapid radios. Five. day charge. This is a huge impact. If you've got family members and they live in an area where tornadoes might come through, heck where hurricanes might come through, where there could be danger afoot, and you want to make sure that you can stay in touch with them. Rapid Radio's is trusted all over the country by so many people that have to be able to stay in touch. When you need to stay in touch, no matter what, Rapid Radio's 500,000 Americans, Rapid Radio's.com, com code radio my thanks by the way To Alex Berenson, and a lot of you longtime listeners here, remember when we were having Alex Berenson on the show in the midst of COVID, when we first started in June of 2021 on this program, it's now been what? We're about to have our five-year anniversary on next month on this program. One of our first guests in studio was Alex Berenzen saying, hey, these COVID shots aren't working. The Biden administration is lying to you.

Buffalo, New York murders down 70%. This is compared to last year when we set record lows, guys. Aurora, Colorado, suburb outside of Denver, down 66.7%. That was an area, remember, with a high rate of illegal immigration. If you remember, Aurora was one of those places that had illegal immigrant gangs taking over. Newark, New Jersey, a lot of you listening, W-O-R, down 66.7%. Washington, D.C., where I am sitting talking to all of you right now, down 64.7% compared to last year. Again, these are numbers compared to last year. Raleigh, North Carolina, down 63.6%. Portland down 63.6%, Portland, Oregon, and Philadelphia down 54%. My goodness, that's extraordinary. Now, everything is not perfect. We can still do better. This happened over the weekend. I bet the New York City crew saw this. Buck and I, we should talk about it tomorrow when he's back in studio with me. This is a daily mail headline. New York City woman declined to press charges against a subway shover, quote, because she didn't want to put another black man in jail. Weeks later, her subway shover shoved another person, and that man, 76 years old, a retired teacher, has now died. I think this is an awful story, but it's also an important one. It is not kind to your fellow citizens to refuse to prosecute people for violence because you're concerned about the race of the person that has done a violent act to you. In fact, data reflects that almost all the time a person who engages in an act of violence will engage in an act of violence against someone else. And if you are concerned about the racial impact of your testimony or your prosecution as a witness of an individual, understand this. overwhelmingly people commit crimes against people of their own race. This is just true statistically. So if you are worried, hey, if I speak out up against this Hispanic guy, his victims are likely to be Hispanic. If you're worried about speaking out against an Asian person or a white person or a black person, the victim, the next victim of that individual is likely to be the same race as them. Look. Black, white, Asian, Hispanic, it is not kind to refuse to prosecute someone because you're concerned about how long someone might be behind bars. In fact, if you want to be empathetic, you should be empathetic forward-linking, forward thinking, because the individuals will be victimized in the future because you have failed to act.

So this is an example of toxic left-wing empathy. Democrats in particular and leftists have convinced people, oh, it's unkind to be angry or to seek some sort of penalty against someone for committing a crime. This really kind of took off as a worldview in 2020 where suddenly, hey, just let them steal. That's why there's insurance. Just let them burn things down. That's why there's insurance. If somebody comes into your house, remember that article in San Francisco and steals something? You should just let them have it. You shouldn't call police because police are then going to have to incarcerate someone and they might be a minority and that is unfortunate and you would then be the reason that someone was put into prison or put into jail. Here's the reality. The toxic empathy, if you want to use it, use your empathy to think about future criminal victims. That one, I mean, this is a crazy story. You got shoved on a subway platform. You, by the grace of God, were not injured. That woman decided, I don't want to do this because the guy who shoved me was black. I'm afraid about, oh, what's the toxic impact of mass incarceration? So she doesn't prosecute to the full extent of the law. She doesn't want to be a witness. She doesn't want to cooperate with authorities. And now a 76-year-old retired teacher is dead. There is a direct relationship between failure to put bad guys in prison and future rates of violent crime. You asked me, I just gave you all those good news in cities. Why is that happening? I think it's two reasons. One is, I think, under Trump, we are letting cops do their job and prosecutors and judges. and district attorneys, they are all working together more so than in the past to put violent people in prison and keep them there. I think that is happening more often, not as much as it should, but more often than it was. That's point one. Point two, we've got way less illegal immigrants. We just do. And when you have less illegal immigrants, it allows police, not every illegal immigrant as a criminal, but a lot of them are per capita because they tend to be young men. And if you ask me right now, as the data would reflect, who is the most likely to engage in violent acts? It is young men. Young men, you go 15 to 45, basically, 15 to 45-year-old young men are the people who commit the vast majority of crimes in this country. Doesn't mean there's not some women out there. Engaging in violent acts just means the likelihood. is young men. Most of our illegal immigrants as a group are young men. And so when you have a lot of young men who are violent being taken out of your country, fleeing the country because they know they're going to be caught and prosecuted, I think it's not a coincidence that both of those things suddenly you're seeing crime collapse. And I would add a third factor.

Being willing to accept crime is unkind and many of us are just fed up. This is the entire basis largely of Spencer Pratt's campaign as mayor in Los Angeles. And I'm going to talk about that a bit when we come back, but let me play this audio for all of you out in L.A. Magic Johnson, great, great basketball player. One of the greatest basketball players of all time. Not a great judge of political performance. He says Karen Bass is doing a tremendous job, and he just endorsed her. Listen. He's on supporting Karen Bass. First of all, I go back with her probably 30 years. She sustained the first ever, the second of decrease in homelessness. Homicide rate is down. New housing units, 40,000. I mean, she's doing a tremendous job. Karen Bass has to have a second turn, and I'm excited to say that. Yeah. Appreciate you magic. Great basketball player. Karen Bass, not a good mayor. I think she has a 25% approval rating in L.A. right now. So I want to make sure I included that. This is Spencer Pratt's entire campaign. There's too much filth. There's too much violence. There's too much inefficiency in government. I'm going to clean it up. That's his entire campaign. And he's getting a lot of support across the political spectrum because people are tired of taking their kids to different playgrounds and seeing filth, seeing drug use, seeing all sorts of violence on the streets. The quality of life in L.A. has declined precipitously. There's way too many homeless people. There's way too many drugs. I don't even see that as particularly partisan at all. We should have less of it in every city in America. President Trump is focused on it here in D.C. D.C. is safer. more beautiful than it has been maybe ever in the history of 250 years of this country existing. I'm not sure that D.C. has ever been safer than it is right now. All right. We come back. We'll take some more of your talkbacks. Finish up the show. Then I'll head over to the White House. You should have some good reports from there tomorrow. This is the Clay and Buck Show. And I want to tell all of you out there, make sure. If you're out there and you're looking around and you're thinking, hey, what's a reliable place to have money? How can I protect myself against the government printing so much money against the overall rates of inflation? It's gold. Gold has been growing in value for thousands and thousands of years. Two years ago grew by 27% in value. Last year, gold went up 65%. Over the past two decades, it's up 700%. If you have an IRA or a 401k, gold should be included in it. Not only going to grow higher in value in the face of continued inflation, a federal budget, budget deficit, and central banks worldwide have created...

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