Yikes! MN GOP Under Fire After Shocking Tribute For Murderer!?

On May 25th, 2020, Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd. Derek Chauvin pressed his knee into the neck of George Floyd, who was handcuffed and face down on the pavement. For over nine minutes, Chauvin applied pressure to George Floyd's neck, murdering him. Now, we all know. The horrors of what happened during the murder of George Floyd because of the video evidence that was obtained by bystanders and by other eyewitnesses who testified. There were other law enforcement officers that testified against Derek Chauvin, including expert witnesses who advised that that is not how police officers are properly trained to be able to subdue a subject. Derek Chauvin, he went to trial. He was tried by a jury of his peers, and that jury of his peers found him guilty of violating several state offenses. As a result of that guilty verdict, Derek Chauvin was sentenced to 22 and a half years in state prison. He also was charged with violating George Floyd's federal civil rights. Chauvin opted not to go to trial. He pleaded guilty, and he is serving a 21-year federal sentence concurrently with his state sentence. The lawyer that led the incredible prosecution team that successfully convicted Derek Chauvin is Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison. And he will tell you, and the record will reflect, that Derek Chauvin has unsuccessfully appealed that state and federal case, and he's lost every time. There are some people like Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk and others in Maga Land that are clamoring for the pardon of Derek Chauvin. They claim that he was unfairly prosecuted for the murder of George Floyd. Save it for somebody who gives shit, guys. But here's the deal. I was just outraged to hear that the Minnesota Republican Party during its annual convention just a few days ago decided to hold a 10-second moment of silence in honor of Derek Chauvin. I shit you not. Ten seconds. Moment of silence to honor Derek Chauvin. That's what Minnesota Republicans think about Derek Chauvin and what they think about George Floyd. So I had to ask Attorney General Keith Ellison about this.

Because it's an outrageous, outrageous sign of disrespect for not only the rule of law and the judicial process, but for law enforcement that don't run around murdering, just regular everyday people that are going about their days. Attorney General Ellis and I also talk about how the Twin Cities are doing. Because I care deeply about Minnesotans and especially those in the Twin Cities. We also got the chance to talk about... the latest in the prosecutions of federal agents for the crimes that they have perpetrated in Minnesota when they have been in that state. And we get the latest updates on attempts to be able to hold federal agents accountable for the murders of Renee Nicole Good and Alex Pretty. And there's also a conversation that I want to make sure that you pay close attention to, which is... This idea of something called regulatory justice, the idea that attorneys general are doing more than just fighting back against the Trump regime. They're taking care of the residents of their states regardless of party affiliation. Take a listen. Joining me now is somebody who most certainly doesn't need an introduction because he is really just... standing up for everything that it's right and understands that the rule of law is kind of the thing that's standing between us and frankly everything Trump at this point. But Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, General, it's good to see you. It's great to see you, Katie. How you doing? I'm good. Listen, you know, folks that are viewers and subscribers to the Katie Fang News channel for a while may remember. The last time you and I had the pleasure of hanging out on my channel, though we've seen each other since then, a lot actually in person. Yeah, you were at our No Kings rally. Thank you for coming. I was. I was. And then you and I were in the midst of having a live to tape, as we call it, conversation. True. when Alex Preddy was murdered. Literally, we were in the midst of talking, and then you had to leave, understandably, in the midst of our conversation. And then the next day, I got on a plane and I flew to Minneapolis, St. Paul, to go to the Twin Cities, to be there to cover what was happening after Alex Preddy was murdered. I wanted to first straight out of the gate ask you, How are the Twin Cities? I've become incredibly fond of all Minnesotans, but especially those that are there in Minneapolis, St. Paul. I want to make sure people understand the illegal detentions, deportations, they're still ongoing. They may not be marquee in the top of every media report. It's still going on, and I want people to understand that.

Yeah, it is still going on. As you know, between December 3rd and February 12th, there was the largest deployment of immigration agents in the history of the United States. We had ICE agents, Border Patrol agents, other immigration agents, all descending upon the state of Minnesota, 3,500 in total, maybe as high as 10 to 12 percent of all immigration agents in the country. were doing a saturation operation here in the Twin Cities. There were massive violations of people's Fourth Amendment rights in terms of them being stopped on nothing more than they look like an immigrant, whatever that means. Whatever that means. And they were, there was mass, they tried to impose a economic recession. on our state by making people afraid to go to work, making people afraid to go out to buy and shop. As you know, a consumer-driven economy is a huge bulk of the entire American economy. We had economic activity fall, small businesses failed. Other businesses had big dips in their economic output. And so these are the things that happened. We also had two killings, which my office and the Hennepin County Attorney. is continuing to pursue, one involving Alex Preti, who was killed on the day that you and I met. I think that was January 24th. And the other one was Renee Good, who was killed earlier in that month. And so here we are. We have charged one person who was non-fatally shot. His name was Julio, Julio Sosa Solis, shot by Christian Castro. Christian Castro is in the state of Texas. He's, I hear, could be fighting extradition to come to come be brought back here at face justice. My thought is if you didn't do anything, what's the problem? What are you running for? Exactly. Yeah, yep, yep. But, you know, this is something that the courts have to honor a governor's warrant. It is, you know, it is. A routine thing for us to bring people who commit felonies in the state of Minnesota back here to face justice. They are presumed innocent until proven guilty and have all their constitutional rights. So that's what's going on there. But it was the single largest deployment of immigration officials. We had Mr. Bovino strutting around in his long coat, which even German newspapers thought was reminiscent of. officials in the Third Reich, and they wrote that in German newspapers, which is amazing. And we also had Tom Homan have to come in because after Trump's numbers started really falling through the floor because of such amazing public attention on the failure of this operation, Holman comes in and... You know, he winded it down because it was clearly a failure. And after multiple mass rallies and people protesting, after lawsuits we filed and the ACLU filed, after the independent free media that you, you're part of, came and shined a light on this thing, and they knew that they had to dial it back. But as you said, even though they officially ended it, we're still hearing about sad and tragic situations all the time.

Yeah, so Attorney General Ellison, I want to talk a second about this Christian Castro guy, this ice agent. He was charged by Hennepin County DA, Mary Moriety, with four counts of second-degree assault and one count of falsely reporting a crime when he shot Julio Sosa-Steve Scalise on January 14th, lied. Lied about the factual scenario that led to the shooting of Mr. Sosa-Selis. And, you know, first of all, the fact he's fighting extradition, I think, is a huge sign of consciousness of guilt on his part. But secondly, you know, it is something that is noteworthy because Minneapolis has so far been. one of the only places in the United States that has tried to at least get some accountability for Americans when it comes to illegal criminal conduct by federal agents. Not only is it this guy Christian Castro, but there's another guy. His name is Gregory Donnell Morgan Jr. He pulled a gun. He pulled a gun on two civilians because he was too impatient in the damn breakdown lane on a highway in Minneapolis, pulled a gun to be able to get past them on the breakdown lane. I mean, you know, Attorney General, the thing though, is, and we care about these things greatly, but obviously you just mentioned Renee Nicole Good and Alex Preddy, and everybody always wants to know, we know that this Trump administration has been fighting transparency, will not cooperate, and has definitely put up obstacles and run interference so that you and Mary Moriety at the Hennepin County DA and others, including the BCA, could get information. What's the status on trying to get some more information for them about those two murders? We filed a civil lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security on the grounds that we have, we're a co-eague, we're co-a-sovereign government in the state of Minnesota. We have an equal right to investigate crimes committed in our state by anyone, including a federal agent, and that the agency does not have any legitimate reason for denying us access. to the information that we need in order to process that crime scene and make a determination. So we file that lawsuit. We expect that this matter will be heard in court. It'll go through the ordinary course of lawsuits or a lawyer. So, you know, there'll be a motion for summary judgment. These things will be decided. And we're hopeful that the court will say, look. If you're not going to, you need to at least share this information. You know, the state has a 10th Amendment right to prosecute crimes that occur in this in the state. Remember that the states of the United States predate the United States as a legal political entity. And when the states joined into the United States, it was on the premise that they would retain the authority to uphold its police powers, which include health, safety, welfare, and public safety of its citizens.

That is, that's what the lawsuit's all about. We expect to be successful here. But we wish, you know, that the state, that the federal government would just turn over the information. Look, we have competent courts here. We do prosecute people every single day in the state of Minnesota. We do it constitutionally. We do it observing the rights of the defendants. And as you know, I mean, I don't know if you've had a chance to look into this stuff, but when a federal agent is charged with a state crime, They have certain due process rights that even ordinary citizens don't have, which is they can remove the case to federal court. Now, you still have a state prosecutor. You still have state law. You still may have state jurors, but you are in a federal court so that the federal court is not going to let the state trample your rights. That's, we don't, I mean, quite honestly, I don't have any problem with that. You know, and so, but there is no absolute immunity. A federal agent cannot commit a crime in a state and say, well, I'm a federal agent, so I get to. That is wrong. When I heard Vice President Judy Van say that, I thought to myself, you are endangering your own people. because you're misinforming them as to what their liability is. I mean, that is the very essence of bad training to tell people that they can do things that they legally cannot do. And I don't know what responsibility he carries legally, but I think morally telling people that they can do anything they want when they cannot is bad, it's horrible. And he owes those agents an apology. And I think they owe Minnesota an apology. At a minimum. At a minimum, those agents owe Minnesotans an apology. Speaking of apologies. One of the most powerful things that I did when I was in the Twin Cities is I went by George Floyd Square. And the reason why, you know, generals, because in my mind, that felt like it was one of the last times we've seen true accountability and truth, speaking truth to power. was after you successfully obtained the conviction of Derek Chauvin and others. And I about fell out of my chair the other day when I saw this. And I want to share this because, you know, there's so much going on. And sometimes these things escape people's notice. And when I saw this, I was like, uh-uh, we got to talk about this. So I'm so glad we did. So the Minnesota Republican Party. was having its two-day annual convention. And on the second morning of its two-day annual convention, a delegate to the Minnesota Republican Party asked to be able to have a

A moment of silence to recognize Derek Chauvin, which they did. The attendees stood in silence for about 10 seconds before they began official business for that annual convention. I mean... Okay, so General Allison, you released an incredibly powerful statement because this took place just days after the sixth anniversary of George Floyd murder. And you said, to honor the man convicted of murdering George Floyd just days after the very anniversary of that terrible day is an act of profound cruelty to the Floyd family and to every Minnesotan who believes accountability under law. I mean, how unbelievably disrespectful. I feel like they just... I mean, they're just letting it all hang out, aren't they now? Like, they're not even trying to tell about it, right? I think the answer to that is yes. Because, yeah, it is clearly unbelievably cruel. It's unbelievably, unbelievably insulting. Not only to George Floyd and his family, but also to law enforcement. Katie, we had law enforcement officers take the witness stand and testify against... Derek Chauvin. That's right. And say, this is not what we teach. This is not what we train. This is not what we do. It defies our values. And it's wrong. And the chief of police did it. The head of training did it. Several others said, this is just not what we do. And so what they're saying is the worst of the department, we will exalt. The best of the department. We will cast down. That's what happens when you have a moment of silence for a convicted murderer. They're saying we don't care about the criminal justice system. We don't believe that a conviction and multiple appeals matter. And so you really do wonder what was this all about? Because I want to caution people away from saying, oh, they're so dumb. How stupid is that? No, no, no. This is intentional. It's intentional. It was deliberate. It was message sending. But what message? The message is very quite simply that the people like George Floyd are, it doesn't matter what the facts are. He's not worth it. He's too far beneath the, he's not, he's too far beneath common decency to care about. And no one like Derek Chauvin, no matter what he did, should ever have to face accountability for hurting or killing someone like, George Floyd. That's what it's about. To me, quite honestly, it's third right type stuff. You know? Oh, it's the dehumanization. Right. Of others. Yes. Because they happen to be black or brown or Asian or they don't look like Christian nationalist. And that's the reason why. And listen, it doesn't escape my notice that you've got people like Elon Musk, you've got other MAGA people, you got Ben Shapiro. They're all actively calling for a pardon of Derek Chauvin. Your thoughts on that.

Well, again, you know, Elon Musk, you know, is clearly giving Hitler like salutes. He did it twice, you know. The world saw him doing it. And so it's clear what his philosophy is. It's very clear what he believed. And let me just say, you know, this really is a national movement. There was a movie called The Fall of Minneapolis. It was a scurrilous propaganda rag. It was what you call a... Shlokumentary, you know, it was a terrible piece of garbage. And it's amazing that somebody would spend money to produce it. But they did. But it was to do exactly what you said. Dehumanization. It was, it was to create a cultural environment of permission for violence, for injury. anti, you know, anti people of color, anti immigrant, anti anyone who doesn't fit their idea of who is worthy. And this is what this is all about. And they cannot be allowed to get away with it. They must be called out on this. I mean, Katie, you may recall, you know, our country has done a lot of hard work to get to the point of liberty and justice for all. We have worked hard. And we're still not there. And we're still not there. We ain't there. That's right. But this is our country had the Chinese Exclusion Act. That's right. Our country had Japanese internment. Our country had years of lynching. And what they would do at these lynchings is take photographs of the murdered people and then they would share them. around. They would stand proudly. The body's hanging there like that, like some type of game. Like they just like, you know, some game. They just like shot some game or something. Yeah, like it's like a deer or something. Exactly. And so this mentality, our country has worked hard to relegate it to the corner and these people are trying to revive it. You know, quite honestly, when you got a president said immigrants are poisoning the blood and eating cats and dogs. And by the way, let me just say this work, this, this bleeds into policy. Why? Well, we have an immigrant, we have a refugee policy in the United States. Under Biden, we led in 120,000 people fleeing war, famine, and all kinds of dangerous things. And Trump went from 120,000 under Biden to 7,500. Of those 7,500, he's not even filled it yet, but he let in three Afghans and every single one of the others is an Afrikaner. From South Africa. That's right. They're fleeing persecution because they're white. That's what they're claiming. And like, here's the thing. You know, if, I mean, they're not, they're not letting in large numbers of Ukrainians who really are in a war. They're not letting in people who are fleeing war, famine, and persecution. They're letting in people who are ideologically aligned with themselves, you know? With a white nationalist.

ideology and then they're taking legal status like temporary protected status and asylum status and they're revoking it so that they can now claim well now you're technically in illegal so i can remove you from this country and you cannot stay which completely undermines all of their arguments which is well i came here legally i did it legally well all these people are doing it legally and yet when you take away their legal status they technically become Illegal. Right, right. And so the thing is, is the people of goodwill of all colors, all cultures, all faiths have got to come together and say, look, you know, you got to come together. You're not going to have liberty and justice for all. You're going to have a hierarchical society reminiscent of the old Confederacy or something like that. You've got to come together. You absolutely have got to vote. You've got to participate. You've got to engage. You've got to listen to the Katie Fang show. And you've got to get informed because what is happening is deeply, deeply disturbing. And let me just say this replacement theory is a lie. This great replacement stuff is not true. Yes, it's true that America is becoming more diverse. So what? But there's nobody who's losing rights around here. There's no persecution of anyone. This is simply untrue. And yet they're trying to tell somebody, they're trying to tell people that they're victims. But I'll tell you one thing, Katie, the white supremacists don't care about white people. Notice how you never hear them say, more health care, you know, more, more better way, they don't care. Child care. We need free child care. Yeah. No, all they do is say them ones are taken from you so you should hate them. And by the way, I need a $400 million plane from the, from the cutteries. Or I need $70 billion for ICE and CBP? Right, right, right. It's never doing, they don't really want to help anybody other than themselves. Elon Musk, $800 billion person, you know, you put Elon Musk, Ellison, no relation. and Jeff Bezos and all them together. And these people, one, they don't pay any taxes hardly. You know, they get plenty of government contracts to help make them rich. Or they try to get, or they try to get addendums to bullshit settlement agreements where they don't ever get audited by the IRS anymore. Isn't that incredible? I mean, blatantly illegal. We've got to, and I'm telling you, I mean, and here's the other thing. A guy like Thomas Massie who says, you know what, I'm a conservative, but maybe we should not tolerate sexual abuse of girls. They're like, oh, he's got to go. That's right. Let's get rid of that guy. Oh, and this guy, Ken Paxton, he's got to stay. We want him. The most corrupt politician in America other than Trump, we are living in some interesting times. And so I'm asking people to get involved.

Do not think that somebody else is just going to fix everything and get it straight. We are in a moment when patriotic people who love this country have got to stand up and uphold the basic concept of liberty and justice for all, multicultural democracy, inclusive democracy, democracy that respects the rights of women. all people, and includes everyone. That's the kind of country we fought for, and that's the kind of country we could lose if we don't get busy. Well, listen, especially we're coming off of D-Day, right? Oh, yeah. We're coming off of Veterans Day. I mean, we're coming off some really important moments in history where it was a pretty clear battle. What we were fighting for, what we were fighting against. I will say, Minnesotans. Ufta, y'all are decidedly, I tell people take one page out of that Minnesota playbook when it comes to mutual aid and community organization. Because when I was there, that was a profound moment. You know, Attorney General Ellison, I did want to spend just a little bit of time because I have the privilege of it with you right now to talk about some other work that you've been doing. I kind of... feel badly sometimes because when i have the the privilege of speaking to you and like Rob Bonta and dan rayfield and others um you guys actually do other work other than other than fighting back against this regime um and and i like to highlight this because um sometimes it doesn't get highlighted you recently wrote an incredibly incredibly powerful article in the minnesota law review that just got published at the end of may which you don't have to be a lawyer to really read and understand. And the article is entitled, Preventing Harm at the Source, the Case for Regulatory Justice. And I want to highlight a couple of case studies that you put in because your premise of your article in this Law Review article was that civil law, including the subset of consumer protection law, can hold corporations accountable even when they facilitate criminal harm. So it's this interesting conversation about using civil tools to be able to hold big, companies liable for when they commit and they commit criminal harm. One great example of these two case studies was state of Minnesota versus fleet farm. So back in 2021, there was a shooting at a bar in St. Paul where a woman named Marquisha Wiley died. She was murdered. And there were 14 others that were injured, 14 other Minnesotans. And law enforcement doing an incredible job traced the purchase history on. some of the guns that were found at this shooting scene at the bar and it led back to a straw buyer by the name of Jerome Horton who was able to buy 24 firearms in four months from this gun retailer fleet farm and this guy obviously Jerome Horton turned around as a straw buyer and sold these guns illegally right And what's great is you as the Attorney General of Minnesota, through your investigation, found out that fleet farm stores were selling more than 37 guns to straw buyers over just 16 months. So you sued civilly. Yep. And managed to get...

a one million dollar settlement, but it wasn't just the money. It was the other relief, which included fleet farm having to make significant improvements to their detection and prevention systems to deter future straw buyers. That is a true hybrid of civil and criminal tools and accountability, right? I mean, that is what you mean by regulatory justice here. That's the idea. Well, so here's the thing. We don't think we're ever going to just completely replace criminal. prosecution. It'll be there. We'll prosecute people. And in that case, people were prosecuted for homicide and gun trafficking. But. I think that the corporate community has an important role to play in terms of public safety. Another example that is in the Law Review article is a case that we brought against Kia and Hyundai. Yeah, talk about that one because that's the other case study I really wanted people to hear about. Talk about that one. So Kia Hyundai, both these companies, these companies, they sell their cars all over the world. Yep. And they have anti-theft devices in them where they sell them in Europe. Certainly Korea, certainly Canada, other places. They have the anti-theft devices, but they're not required in the United States, so they sell them without these devices. So some clever... juvenile delinquents figured out that you can hotwire one with a UBS cord. So they, they really? Oh, is that easy? Mm-hmm. So you'd shoot, shoot the window out, put the UBS cord in there, start the car, and off you go. And there was, and in Minneapolis, there was like an 800% increase in the theft of Kia's and Hyundai's. St. Paul was like 635%. The numbers. The exact numbers might escape me. Now, I got him here, General. So in 2021 in Minneapolis, police investigated 250 Kia and Hyundai thefts. But then just in 2023, they investigated 4,520 Kia. I mean, that's just nuts. And this was going on all over the country. And so, and it was really tragic, too, because. You know, these kids were, it's tragic if you walk out of your business meeting or out of your house and where your car used to be, there's glass on the, and your car's gone. But we had a situation where there was a Hmong elder. This was a woman who survived the war in Southeast Asia, crossed the Mekong River somehow, made it to Thailand. came to the United States because, as you, as your audience may know, the, you know, the Hmong soldiers fought on behalf of the United States and were persecuted on behalf of the United States, came to the United States as refugees having bled for the United States. So this is her family that comes here. And yet as she's walking down the street, some 14-year-old kid driving a Kia, 90 miles an hour, runs her down and kills her.

My God. And so what we did is we said, look, we are absolutely going to sue you. But you better get into some negotiations with us. And we forced them to put a zinc sleeve at the, you know, free of charge to everybody who owned one. And they could not charge them. And we had gone through a lot of changes with Kia and Honda. They had put this new software in, didn't work. They said, here, we're going to give you one of them club things. You can get through a club in 10 seconds. And so. This was a, and so this one was particularly important because they were causing car accidents. They were stealing people's cars. They were killing people in these car accidents. And all they ever had to do was put basic anti-theft devices that they do all, that they themselves do, all over the country. And so when we sued them, we see this is directly related to public safety. Now, if you buy a new key or a new Hyundai, they have this stuff in there. But that's one of those examples. Also, one of the examples, the opioid example. You know, we suing Purdue Pharma and other these companies that said, oh, we're selling these painkillers and they're not addictive. Well, they were highly addictive. They had all kinds of tricky sales techniques, high pressure. sales techniques, very, very deceptive about the level of addictive nature of these medications. And so we've been taking them to court. But the point of the article is, yes, we're going to criminally prosecute people who commit crimes. But if you do that, you're going to throw people in jail one by one and you may never stop criminality. If we go upstream and ask our corporate leaders to do a little bit more to protect the public, to safeguard who you're going to sell a gun to, to put anti-theft devices in the cars, to make sure that you are not, you're not misrepresenting the addictive nature of these pain killers. We could save lives. And that is what the article is all about. So again, some folks will say, well, what about criminal prosecution? You believe in that? Of course we do. But we believe in even more protection of the public, because public safety has got to be everybody's responsibility. So. This is what I want to underscore to the people that are tuning in right now. Not only is it just incredibly laudatory and amazing and impressive which you've been doing. And by the way, I want people to understand this too. You also have been bringing first of its kind litigation concerning the environmental impacts that happen as a result of corporations, which is novel too. But I look at our democratic AGs, and I have been harping on this on this channel, because...

I tell people you got to pay attention to not all your gubernatorial races, but you got to pay attention to your attorneys general races on your states, and you've got to be paying attention to your secretaries of state too. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on that people have ignored historically because they're like, yeah, whatever, I focus on D.C. or like, whatever. I'm like, uh-uh. You got to realize that especially at a time when you have a federal government that either abdicates its duties and responsibilities to protect Americans. or they're actively working to either murder you or to do something bad, you need a good AG and a good governor to step into the breach and defend you. So I look at somebody like you, and I am biased because I love Rob Bontat, right? So I'll lump the two you guys. Me too. And I look at y'all, and then I look at somebody like freaking Ken Paxton. Oh, my God. In some ways, thank God he can't be AG anymore. But here's... thing about camp Ken Paxton that man has now been leading the charge in trying to violate other state sovereignty shield laws by trying to haul providers for medication abortion pills into texas so they could be criminally prosecuted suing them and trying to get them extradited i mean it's just been crazy and i look at an ag like that and i think bruh How about some public safety? Right? Like, really, man. And so what I always try to underscore two, Attorney General Allison is this. You as an AG of a state, you don't care if your resident is a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, whatever. You could not care less because you do this and everybody benefits. It is truly the... A rising tide lifts all ships energy that you bring to the table by being this type of attorney general. And so I just want to say thank you, man. Listen, I'm not, I'm in a state with a horrific AG in Florida who like thought it was, he thought it was great to sell merch called Alligator Alcatraz for a concentration camp, right? I mean, I got that guy here. What kind of person is that? But. You know, this is why I want to make sure. And maybe, you know, I'll let you have the last word obviously on this, like how important is for people to pay attention to these races in their states because this is what makes a difference in everybody's day to day in their backyard. Well, that is absolutely right. Let me just say, you're right. When I was in Congress, quite honestly, you know, I. I think, you know, media wanted to know what I was doing more. I actually had a profile that was a little bit more engaged on ordinary media stuff. And that's fine. I mean, when I left there, that was, you know, I was happy to get the job that I have. But what I like to tell people is Congress makes laws. but your AG enforces them. And if you don't have enforcement of the law, the law is, it's like it isn't there. And you mentioned our Secretary of State. This is the chief election officer of your state. If you're going to have a free and fair election, you've got to have a good Secretary of State. And I'll say this, you know, Katie, if you were not such an amazing journalist.

I'd be trying to tell you to run for Attorney General in Florida. I mean, because you're a very good lawyer. You care about people and you're an outstanding communicator. So I don't know, you're still young maybe one day, right? Listen, I got good genes, my friend. Thank you very much. Turning 51 this year. But listen, I appreciate that. I'm flattered. But, you know, it's my duty right now is to use my platform to elevate and amplify people like you that are doing nonpartisan work. You are just doing the job. And so that's why I really wanted to make sure we did spend some time today talking about this regulatory justice work because I feel like it ends up being skewed as being in alleged to only be some partisan stuff y'all are doing. But it's really not. I mean, if people really look behind the work that you guys are doing as attorneys general, it's not just. pushing back on illegal stuff that's being perpetrated on you by a federal administration, it is taking care of the people that are within your state borders. Well, thank you for raising that up. I mean, the fact is that when we make an enforcement decision, we don't care what person's party is or who they voted for. What we care about is them being treated with a lack of fairness, with scammy, bad conduct, and we just want to protect their rights. their family budget. These are the things that are foremost on our mind. And so, I appreciate you lifting that up. And I'm glad you mentioned that law review article. This law review article is something if you don't, I'm going to post it. You know, if you can post it in the show notes, that'll be appreciated. I will. Yeah, 100%. Because I want folks to think about criminal justice and more in terms of public safety. How can we make the people safer? How can we make sure your car doesn't get stolen that you don't get shot? And that is not used to mow down some 90-year-old woman walking down the street, mind their own business. That's right. That's what we want. And it's not. And there are ways to do it that don't involve just filling up the prisons. We incarcerate more people than any other country in the world. The United States has a population one-third the size of China, and we incarcerate way more people than China. I mean, think about that for a moment. Well, it is that private prison industrial complex. It's so profitable. And now they've taken Geo Group, which runs the private prisons. And they've handed them billions of dollars to be able to run ice detention facilities where people are dying or they're having hunger strikes. I mean, it's now become a deportation industrial complexes. Yeah. And that's what we have to stand against. Nobody should ever lose their liberty to advance somebody else's share price. You know, I mean. Incarceration of persons is a prosecutor. I will tell you that it is necessary sometimes, but it should never be in any individual's financial interest to do so. It should be for public safety only. And so.

You know, I definitely appreciate you. Keep it strong. Keep it out there. Keep punching. And, hey, I hope to be on with you sometime soon. You're welcome back anytime. Attorney General Keith Ellison, thank you, my friend, for taking the time. It really is a privilege to be with you. Thank you. Take care, Katie. Thanks. Katie Fang here. We launched the Katie Fang News Channel in partnership with the Midas Touch Network so we could bring you the latest in legal and political news. Straight, no chaser. So if you're a fellow truth teller, hit that subscribe button and share the word about this channel so we can build a high information America together.