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Thank you, Mr. President. Do you view the mayor elect as the true leader of the Democrat Party? And do you think Leader Chuck Schumer is and Leader Hakeem Jeffries, you know, have to follow his lead? Well, look, I hope they have great leaders. This is a man that right now I think is focused in New York City. I really think he has a chance to do a great job. We're going to help him, but I really think there's a chance to do a great job. But I'll let you answer that. You consider yourself the leader of the Democrats. I think it's more appropriate for him. I consider myself the next mayor of New York City, and I keep my horizons firmly on New York City, and I appreciate the meeting with the president, which focused again on the five boroughs and whether New Yorkers could afford to live there. By the way, being the mayor of New York City is a big deal. Absolutely. I always said, you know, one of the things I would have loved to be someday is the mayor of New York City. Being the mayor of New York, and especially now, because I think you're at really a turning point, one way or the other. You could go great, or it can go in a different direction. And I think you really have a chance to make it great. Mr. President, you said you love New York City. Mr. Zohran Mamdani, does New York City love President Trump? New York City loves a future that is affordable. And I can tell you that there were more New Yorkers who voted for President Trump in the most recent presidential election because of that focus on cost of living. And I'm looking forward to working together to deliver on that affordability agenda. I got a lot of votes. One more. Go ahead. One or two more. Go ahead. The press has eaten this thing up. You know, I've had a lot of meetings with the heads of major countries. Nobody cared. This meeting that you people have gone, you know, outside, you have hundreds of people waiting. This is just a small little group. For some reason, the press has found this to be a very interesting meeting. The biggest people in the world, they come over from countries. Nobody cares. But they did care about this meeting. And it was a great meeting. Go ahead. Yeah, Mr. President, I was going to ask exactly that. Why do you think there's so much more, you know, so much excitement around this than even some foreign leadership? Because I think he's different. All right. I think he's different. And that can be in a very positive way. But I think he's different than, you know, your typical guy runs and wins, becomes mayor maybe, and nothing exciting. Because he has a chance to really do something great for New York. New York is at a very critical point. And he does need to help with the federal government to really succeed. And we're going to be helping him. But he's different than, you know, your average candidate. He came out of nowhere. I said, he has a great campaign manager standing over there. He came out of nowhere. What, you start off at one or two? I watched. I said, who is this guy? He was at one. Then he was at three. Then it was at five. Then he was at nine. Then he went up to 17. I said, hmm, let's get a little bit interesting, right?

And then all of a sudden he wins a primary that nobody expected he was going to win. It's a great tribute. I mean, it's an amazing thing that he did. I'll just add one thing to what the president said is one thing I also appreciated is in our meeting to appreciate a portrait of FDR. the incredible work that was done with the New Deal and also in thinking about what it can look like when the federal government and New York City government work together to deliver on affordability. It can be transformative. You know, we have a great portrait of FDA that I found. in the vaults that was missing for years. I found it, and I put it up. He's a Democrat, to the best of my knowledge. He's a Democrat. And when the mayor saw that portrait, he said, sir, do you mind if I have a picture taken by that portrait? It's an amazing portrait. I hope the picture comes out good. But it's an amazing portrait in the cabinet room. So he's a big fan of the New Deal, I guess, and of FTI. Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. You said that you both spoke about crime. There are many police officers set to come off the rolls at the end of this year in New York City. Are you going to allow those police to be replaced with police officers, actual cops? And are you going to require that that happens? Would there be some consequence if then staff? Well, I hope it happens, but again, that's going to be ultimately the mayor's decision. What's your answer? Is that I look forward to delivering public safety with the NYPD, and I've said over the course of our campaign that we have the number of police officers today. What's that number? That's budgeted about 35,000 headcount. And I think the key thing is that we have to make it easier for police to focus on police work, not ask them to respond to 200,000 mental health calls a year. So is that a reduction from what you're at right now? Are you committing to maintaining the same level? I've committed over the course of the campaign to maintain the 35,000. That's the headcount that we had through the campaign. And not replace them with caseworkers, social workers. No, I've said that's the headcount that we want. What we need to do is make sure they can focus on serious crime. And he just retained a great police commissioner, I believe, right? Yes, as we did. Commissioner Jessica Tisch. If the newspapers are correct. That one they're correct about it. He retained, I think, somebody that is a... She's a good friend of some of the people in my family, Ivanka, and they say she's really good, really competent, and he just retained her, so that's a good sign. Mr. President, are there still topics that you see the two of you disagreeing on in the future, and do you think you'll have more meetings like this? There will be topics that we disagree, and I think we'll probably come to a conclusion, and ultimately he'll convince me, or I'll convince him, you know, it's for the good of New York. Ultimately, it's for the good of New York. I don't care about it. affiliations or parties or anything else. I want to see if this city could be unbelievable. If he could be a spectacular success, I'd be very happy. Do you think you'll meet more in the future, too? Two. Do you think you'll meet a guy in the future, you know, throughout the administration? I think we'll meet a lot. I hope we do. I enjoyed the meeting. We had a great meeting. Please. Mr. President, Republican and Lee Stefani has campaigned multiple times by calling Zohran Mamdani a jihadist. Do you think you're standing next to a jihadist right now in the Oval Office? No, I know, but...

She's out there campaigning and, you know, you say things sometimes in a campaign. Isn't that sort of... She's a very capable person. But you really have to ask her about that, but I don't particularly, I think I met with a very, I met with a man who's a very rational person. I met with a man who wants to see, really wants to see New York be great again. And I can say again, because New York was great. You know, when I came down to Washington initially, the city was so hot. It was doing great. We were having some telltale signs of problems. We had a mayor that... was not doing a great job. But still, it was moving along. And it went bad. It really went, you know, pretty bad. And he can, I think it's been at lower points, but it went pretty bad. I think he can bring it back. Now, the question is, will he bring it back all the way? Will he bring it back greater than ever before, which is, I guarantee, that's his wish. I think he wants to make it greater than ever before. And if he can, we'll be out there cheering. I'll be cheering for him. Thank you very much, everybody. Is the reason you chose not to answer the question about the synagogue protest in Jews?

Now I've seen everything. Hi again, everybody. You've been watching Donald Trump fall in love with New York City's mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani and Zohran Mamdani in the Oval Office after a meeting with high stakes for the country's largest city. The two men have before just now lobbed vicious verbal attacks at one another frequently. Zohran Mamdani in his victory speech earlier this month told Trump, quote, to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us. Today it was a... Alternate reality, completely different story. The two men struck a cordial tone initially, talking about lowering the cost of living for New Yorkers, and it got more affectionate on Trump's part, at least, as it went on. When pressed by journalists on whether he had called Donald Trump a fascist, Zohran Mamdani said, yes, he did. Trump, for his part, who was sitting next to him, said, go ahead, you can answer the question. It's okay. This extraordinary meeting is where we start today. With me at the table, host of Politics Nation, president of the National Action Network, the Reverend L. Sharpton's here. He spoke with the mayor-elect ahead of this meeting yesterday. We can ask him exactly what he told him to drop into Donald Trump's Diet Coke. Also joining us, a host of Fast Politics, New York Times contributing opinion writer and political analyst Molly Zhang Fast is here. Also joining us, Puck News, senior political columnist, MS. Now, National Affairs analyst John Heilman, is here. What was the plan and what do you think? Well, I talked to the mayor elect last night. He called me and I told him that I've dealt with Donald Trump 40 years. He will either be very cordial and charming and may attack you on truth social before you get out of the grounds of the White House. Or he may use it as a confrontation, that you should keep your eye on what it is you're trying to do in terms of affordability, in terms of representing segments of New York that have been neglected, and don't bite debate. Because I think that it's clear that Donald Trump will go either way that he thinks is to his advantage. I mean, we just sat here and saw him. in effect, attack his future gubernatorial candidates characterization of Zohran Mamdani. That's going to be one of the headlines. Trump says he's not a jihadist. I mean, there'll be many. Fox News covers three things with Trump down at 33%. They cover crime in America's cities. They cover really two things. They cover immigration, but that's pretty unpopular right now, too. And they cover this line, this lie, this smear. that New York's mayor elect is a jihadist. What are they going to do now? They're either going to have to attack Donald Trump or find a new script. And I think he did a lot of things in he being President Trump that was interesting, how New York had gone down. But I thought he said under Eric Adams, everything was fine and that he and Eric who were working together, he threw everybody in front of the bus. But again, he... Zohran Mamdani is not off the grounds yet. Don't think that Donald Trump dates. He does not get married politically. And they had a good date. That does not mean this is a political marriage. I hope, though, it benefits the city of New York. I'm glad that we're not talking about him sending vice in here and doing what he did in L.A. I think that's the positive.

But would I bet on this sticking only because I know Donald Trump I wouldn't bet on that? I have never watched a public meeting. Even with Vladimir Putin, Trump didn't go on for as long, where he lavished that much praise affection and admiration on anyone. So I have a theory that some of what's happened is that Donald Trump sees how popular Zohran Mamdani is. And he wants to get on that affordability train, right? He sees his numbers. He knows inflation is plaguing him. I mean, maybe I'm ascribing too much sort of political acumen to him. But I just wonder, because when he was talking, he said, you know, many Bernie Sanders voters voted for me. And then you had Zohran Mamdani go back and say, you know, they voted for him. You know, a lot of people in New York City voted for him. Yeah. And then he said more people voted for me. You know, I just wonder if. He, I mean, look, obviously he has some, he really did clearly like him. And I think that it speaks to the talent, the political talent, the raw political talent that Zohran Mamdani has that he can go in and sit there and just make this guy his greatest cheerleader. But I also wonder if he's trying to get on that, you know, he ran as a populist. He said he was going to make things cheaper. We're ascribing to Trump like a multi-step process when all that we've ever witnessed is like a hunting dog's reflexes. And I just think there was a winner in the Oval Office today who won something that Donald Trump just told us he'd always wanted. Donald Trump said, quote, one of the things I would love to be is mayor of New York. And this is someone who won, again, we'll quote Donald Trump today on this. came out of nowhere. Trump was obviously tracking his poll numbers. So Trump is endorsing Andrew Cuomo, is flipping Adams or whatever the hell he did with the Adams criminal bribery case at DOJ. And I wonder how all those lawyers feel about ruining their integrity to spring Adams when Trump was obviously in love with Zohran Mamdani the whole time. And he's tracking his polls. He says, you were at one and then four and then nine. He's obviously been following his meteoric rise. And the guy is sitting there saying, you can call me a fascist or a desk, but you just answered the question. I mean, I've never seen him sort of care for his children, his vice president, or his cabinet's credibility, the way he seemed committed to honoring Zohran Mamdani's credibility. No, I've never seen him do that before. But Donald Trump... is one that likes a political athlete. Winner. Right. And a winner. I mean, back when sometime we would get along, I would sit at ringside at boxing matches because he had the license in Atlantic City. He would go in rooting for one boxing. If another guy got ahead in the third round, he was rooting for him. He's going to walk out of the place with the winner. And Madonna won. Should, like, J.D. Manus get some moving boxes? Exactly. But I think what is critical here,

Let's not forget. Is that... Trump changed a position on Zohran Mamdani. Zohran Mamdani did not change what he was saying he wanted to do in the city. And I think what a lot of us were looking for is whether Zohran Mamdani, even when they ask questions, well, what are you saying about Trump? He said people voted for affordability. Some of them voted for Trump. You did not see Zohran Mamdani become the guy that changed. At all. At all. It was all Trump. And so I could say from having talked to Zohran Mamdani several times, including last night, that he held the line on what he said. It's Donald Trump that changed the script. And he did so rightfully. He ought to be working with the mayor of New York. He ought to be talking like this. I just don't know how long it will last. But I think that Zaron McDonny did not change anything other than... he was cordial to a man who had called him everything but a child of God. And he had no reason to confront him because Donald Trump said, no, he's not as your hardest. No, he's going to do great things. No, he's going to be a great mayor. This is a guy who said, let's vote to save the city to vote for somebody else. Hi. I'll tell you a little. I just have to say, I've covered Donald Trump for nine years. This might be one of my favorite live Trump events I've ever covered. One of the greatest things. Just to think back on the course of our week, if I had asked you all a week ago, what was more likely that Donald Trump would capitulate on the Epstein files and would urge everyone to vote for the discharge petition? And that Marjorie Taylor Greene. Lauren Boebert would stand up to all those things. You would have said, oh, that's pretty unlikely, John. What's less likely? That or this mom die? You would have been a stumper. Yeah. That Trump would end up having a love fest with Mom Daubu. You would be like, oh my God, I don't know what's one of those is like. I often tell the story of my first encounter with Trump. when he decided to run for Trump and I've been fighting on Twitter for years and years and years. He decided to run for president. The day after he announced for president, I was at Trump Tower, and came back, we covered it on live television. I tweeted out a thing that said, everybody who thinks that Donald Trump can't win the Republican nomination, you should think twice because the Republican Party is becoming more racist, more xenophobic, more populist, more this, more that. Trump tweeted back at Jay Hill has finally started to understand Donald Trump. And I really was like, Oh, he's binary. Like at that moment, there were all these political reporters and correspondence and analysts saying he can't win. And it didn't matter why I said. I could have said he could win because people are becoming as racist as he is. But it didn't matter. The whole country is secretly in the Ku Klux Klan. That's why he could win. He would have been like, thank you for saying that. Because winner, loser. That's right. Your thing is the binary at any moment, there's, you're with me or against me. You think I can win. That.

Winner. Yeah. Zohran Mamdani, in 2024, Donald Trump was on the presidential ballot here because he ran for president, right? In New York City, you won 786,000 votes in a presidential election year. 786,000 votes. So our Zohran Mamdani, won more than a million votes the other day. That, in Donald Trump's mind, is a very simple scorecard. That guy, he looks like that guy goes, he's a winner. He's a winner. And I don't think any of it guarantees anything, because you will recall after the election in 2016, he sat there in the Oval Office with Barack Obama. Yeah. They didn't have a love fest like this, but it was cordial. And Trump came out afterwards and said he really liked Obama. He thought Obama was really good. He said all kinds of nice things about Obama. Not like this because he was just coming in, but they had a very cordial meeting. And now, as you know, Donald Trump has been trying to investigate Barack Obama ever since. Two months from now, we could be in a totally different place. But right now, Trump is feeling like weak and like a loser. Zohran Mamdani is a winner. And he wants to be in that. I was about to say, too. Oh, I agree with you. Two days, two months, two weeks, who knows? But none of it means anything except for today. But today, Donald Trump is on his heels this week. And Zohran Mamdani is on his is on the opposite of where your heels are on his toes. He's like, I just want to sit here and like bask around in the warm glow of winter right now because he's probably feeling not very winterish at the moment. But let me just say the thing that I think is. revealed at a more substantive level. In addition to all these things, we are seeing on display from Trump. To the Rev's point, the mayor-elect compromised nothing. He pulled back nothing. He denied, he did not deny calling him a fascist. He stood there. Donald Trump said, I didn't mean anything I said, you say stuff in campaigns. Donald Trump, who's facing a credibility crisis with his own base, said this about, are you standing next to a jihadist? No, I'm not. You say things in campaigns. Donald Trump just gave one more example of how what he says isn't true. I'll tell you. Well, that's, I mean, Trump doesn't care about that. He doesn't care about true. Yeah, but he's in a credibility crisis politically. He's, I don't think he sees it quite that way. I mean, Trump doesn't, we. We correctly think he is an a credibility crisis with a lot of his voters. I think Trump, you know, just believes his own bullshit pretty much all the time. It doesn't ever see that. But, I mean, I think he hears from Steve Bannon has been saying incredibly complimentary things about Zohran Mamdani, about not just on affordability, but on the populism of it and on how the ground game of the Democratic Socialist for America. I think Trump is getting the sense that this guy's an outsider. Right. Trump is an outsider, and he did that. And he conquered this place that Trump. He looks at that and thinks, okay, game recognizes game a little bit here. Will it last 48 hours? Will it last four weeks, four months? Again, he could do, it could be, they could be sending ice agents. They could send a flotilla of ice people up the Hudson, you know, by the time we get to Christmas. But for today, I think there's just this moment of sort of like, you know.

And the other thing we don't know, by the way, and I'm not suggesting that Zohran Mamdani has compromised anything substantively. But, like, if you were advising Zohran Mamdani, Rev did a little bit. But if you were Mom Dying by this, Mom, I mean, you'd say, hey, you know what, has worked for a lot of people like, like, Kathy Hochul. Well, and for a lot of European leaders is. Go into the Oval Office and just and agree with him. Tell him he's great. We don't know tonally how Zohran Mamdani buttered him up in the Oval Office. I'm not even saying that would be a bad thing. If you substantively hold your ground, you can imagine Zohran Mamdani looking smartly in the private meeting for ways to say we're on the same team. We're aligned. And if Trump feels like someone's been flattering him in private, he walks out with that warm glow of he's a winner. And he was flattering me in private. And so why not? Just give him a lot of love. But I think the tectonic piece that Trump moved today is that Fox News and the Republican Party have very few party tricks right now, right? They cannot. brag on the raids because they're wildly unpopular. Even Joe Rogan hates them. They cannot point to prices because they have all gone up. They cannot point to ending wars because every day, it seems, Trump has dropped a bomb on another fisherman boat they allege is carrying drugs. One of the only plays they have right now is branding the Democratic Party with the smears that are untrue and racist that they've launched against... the mayor elect now for the better part of a year. Trump took all that away. That is politically seismic. It is very much so politically seismic. Two things. One, if the Democrats have any operatives at all, they should be cutting a commercial right now of Trump saying this and putting next to a Trump saying, you say things in campaigns to prove that he's disingenuous. He admitted it. He confessed. on national television that don't believe anything I say, he say anything in the campaign. Secondly, Zohran Mamdani, according to their strategy, was to be the face that was going to turn the midterm elections from Democrat back to Republican. They just lost that. He just removed that. The midterm elections just went up for Hakeem and Chuck Schumer in a seismic way. So I think that I don't know what Zohran Mamdani said in private. From what I've seen of him, I don't think he said anything he didn't believe. a cordial guy. Right. And he knows how to be respectful. I can't imagine he said any noun in a verb and affordability. Absolutely. And if he had said something, Donald Trump would have been the kind of guy to say, tell him how you told how great I was about. He would have quoted him if he said. I think that he's just cordial. He's respectful. He came in their focus. And he walked out having sold out nothing.

Donald Trump, who spent half the week demonizing Marjorie Taylor Greene, ends the week praising Zohran Mamdani. This is Donald Trump's world. And can I add just one more thing? One of the biggest losers there was Elise Tophonic. Because not only was he like, you know, she's not saying he's disingenuous. He's saying she's disingenuous. He's saying she's disingenuous. That she said this, but she doesn't really believe it. And so a lot of the, I mean, it's like separating her from MAGA, saying she doesn't really believe the stuff she says. It's separating her from him. I mean, it's just, for her, it's a disaster. What's amazing about that is that his political survival now hinges on pulling the mask down on all the BS that MAGA has been smearing Democrats with. And I, I, maybe I consume more Fox News than everyone here, but they spend a lot of time. Yeah. But let's just not, let's not forget one thing. Zohran Mamdani has not governed a day yet. Right. And so I just, I don't want to be like, I, I, I think this is an incredible scene that we've just seen. Does anybody at the table really think that if Zohran Mamdani comes into office and his approval ratings start to fall? in any way, for whatever reason. Or if there is a little, you know, a little spate of crime that Trump will not happily turn around like a week later and start, yes, we will be able to point out the contradiction. We will say, and he will say, well, of course I was nice to him before he'd done anything. And now he's the mayor. And, you know, he was great in the Oval Office with me, but now he's a communist again. I just don't think that this doesn't pin Trump down to some consistent love of Zohran Mamdani for the rest of the hours. Because he can't be pinned down, but we might be at war with Venezuela by then. I mean, I'm just saying, like, Trump is in an hour by hour political death spiral. And this was a fascinating set of choices to deal with his own political peril. I totally agree. I just don't want to, like, get into the trap of thinking that somehow Trump will be, feel like he's bound by consistency of what he said here. Of course. He'll have the bright line of, He has not married yet. Let's, you know, he will see what. It wasn't clear that he even knew that to me. Well, that's not. Eric, who? And we are not talking about Epstein. He has a lot of things. I mean, we will, but yeah. But I'm saying he becomes a side story, Ben is well. I mean, Donald Trump plays for Donald Trump. And I think that, like I told. The mayor elect last night, he will either go all the way like he did with Volodymyr Zelensky about Ukraine, or he can be the most charming guy in the world.

I mean, he's done it with me. Al, look where you come from. He's the biggest con man in the world, Al Sharpton. That's who he is. And that's who he told the world he is today. You say anything in a campaign. They should ought to be running commercials. That was confessions at the church. I just want to add one other thing about Trump, which is that we do know that he always, the last person he speaks to tends to have the most power. That's right. So there is a phenomenon where he decides he loves him for, you know, two hours. And then he gets on the phone. with Stephen Miller and Stephen Miller says, no, no. Or Eric Adams Company. But I mean, yes, but but let me just butt you on that because Stephen Miller wanted to deport him. Right. So Stephen Miller, they were going to strip him of his citizenship. I mean, there was obviously, to your theory, a debate in Stephen Miller lost. Yes, for sure. And I think that's the, and it's important that we take this moment for the weird and strangely. I don't know. It's one of the weirdest moments of this presidency. Let me come back to Mom Dany for a second. Because every, you know, the, the magnetic field that is sort of part of his political phenomenon, obviously traveled to the Oval Office today. I, yeah, 100%. I mean, look, there, it. You know, like somebody's going to yell at me for saying this. But like, look, they're, they're, Trump and Zohran Mamdani had a lot in common. They have nothing in common ideologically, nothing in common substantively. But they're both have, they're both real political athletes. And they both have a kind of, of, of, for their supporters, which are at different sides of the ideological spectrum, they have a kind of visceral, you know, charisma. Yet we, you know, no one who watches MSNBC thinks Trump is charismatic at all. But millions of people think, but millions of people think he is. charismatic. And all you have to do is compare Trump to JD Vance to tell, to make the point. Or Ruby. You're like, Trump is a natural performer to a certain kind of audience. Zohran Mamdani is a natural performer to another kind of audience, both generationally and ideologically, right? I mean, he, the excitement for Zohran Mamdani among young New Yorkers is he's speaking their language. He uses the media in a way that they, and his charisma is keyed. to that group that turned out for him in extraordinary, extraordinary numbers. Trump has his did the same thing with a different kind of army. And I do think that like there is this, especially at this moment. Like you can't. Overstate the extent to which Trump must be feeling, you know, he had to do things in the last week that he has never had to do before. He first he told the Senate, you know, as the Senate has never said no to him ever on anything. He spent, he said, get rid of the filibuster. And as boring a guy as John Thune said, sorry, go pound sand. Trump's already kind of like, that's a little weird. Like, what's going on there? Like, what happened? What happened with John Thune over there? And they're telling me that I can't get, they're not going to do what I told them to do. And then this thing happened this week that we saw. Trump has got to be like a little bit, you know, he's like been knocked a little sideways, I think. And again, when a big warm breeze of winterhood, when winterhood is the main thing. From New York City, a guy who.

did this thing. And Trump is not, he has a lot of indictiveness in his heart. He has a lot of cruelty in his heart, but he also knows like New York City. is like the place that is most exemplified success to him, way more than the White House or Washington or the presidency, conquering New York has been his thing from the time he was a little kid. He also owns a lot of buildings here. Or he owns, I mean, property here, maybe not a lot. But, you know, he and his son-in-law, I mean, these families own a lot. You know, they have money invested in this city. So Donald Trump, after saying one of the things I would love to be as mayor of New York said this about mayor like Zohran Mamdani, quote, I think he's different. We're going to be helping him. Good day for New York. And I think that that is key. I think the takeaway, and I know we're reacting in real time, but the takeaway for me, knowing both of the gentlemen in the room, is that Donald Trump totally deferred to Zohran Mamdani. Yeah. Zohran Mamdani said, we don't agree on the lot, but we can agree on this. He kept saying we're not the same person. Donald Trump, he's great. He can be a great mayor. He's great. And I think that if you're looking at both sides, the side of Zohran Mamdani didn't lose anything. He didn't give up anything. Nothing. Trump through Miller and everybody else under the bus. Miller, Van, I mean, I'm going to go back and find it. When they talked about. stripping him of his citizenship and deporting him, I think it had millions of re-truths or whatever they call it. I mean, all those people were sold down the river today for Donald Trump, who believes that the mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani is, quote, different. I mean, if you are, we sat here and watched it live. Imagine if you were Eric Adams or Andrew Cuomo watching. I mean. Or whoever's on at Fox. What am I going to say? Stephen Miller. Or Stephen Miller. On the White House closed circuit. Oh, JD. He's been asked in interviews about who inherits MAGA and he's like, I don't know. I'm not sure about J.D. You know, like, he doesn't ever come out that effusively about anyone that works for him. He's never said that about JD Vance or Marco Rubio. I mean, he totally threw the ball in front of the bus. Yeah, amazing. The fears that those of us that could sit ourselves left the center was in many ways relieved because. The man, Danny walked out of there giving up nothing, including the standing for what he said. And Donald Trump did everything that I would have thought he wouldn't have done. But now it's up for his team to clean up what he messed up. That's going to be a busy, a busy job.

No one's going anywhere ahead for us. I just incredible. You know, I don't know what to say. You know, we'll always have this day together. There's more news, though. Also ahead for us. It's like a comet flew overhead or something in the studio. Donald Trump is still Donald Trump, unfortunately, and there is more news than breaking developments on Donald Trump's shocking threat to Democratic lawmakers, those he called traitors to the country who all happened to have served our country in national security and military capacities. One of those lawmen. lawmakers today disclosed, revealed, made public the terrifying voicemails he's received since Donald Trump made those threats. We'll play them for you and we'll talk about all of that later. Also ahead, we'll talk to one of the Democrats Donald Trump has targeted. Deadline White House continues after a quick break. Don't go anywhere. Watch Disclosure Day at Home Now with exclusive bonus features. If you found out we weren't alone, if someone showed you, proved it to you. Would that frighten you? Well, now the truth belongs to 7 billion people in an original event film directed by Steven Spielberg from a screenplay by David Kep starring Emily Blunt, Josh O'Connor, Colin Firth, Eve Hewson, and Coleman Domingo. Find Disclosure Day on major digital platforms now with no subscription required, also in theaters. Hi, it's Sierra Miller. I can't wait for you to check out my new collection of shoes and accessories at Designer Shoe Warehouse. If you love shoes as much as I do, then trust me, I got you. From cute sneak arenas to the perfect flip-lops to stunning heels. These shoes are all style, no drama. It's a girls' girl's summer, and DSW has just the shoes. Shop the Sierra Miller collection right now at your DSW store or DSW.com.

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threats to be serious that came on the lives of those that were in that commercial. He had the opportunity to diffuse it, to denounce it, to say anyone that does it. speaks not in any way, shape, or form for me or mag or whoever. On Fox News, of course. He could have said that he had every opportunity and Kilmetti had gave me every opportunity. He never denounced even the idea that these threats were coming. And he kept going back down memory lanes about George Washington and what would have happened. And he really missed an opportunity or he intended to not say what he could have said to diffuse a very dangerous situation. And I mean, to tie the political piece of this, retribution is very unpopular. And I know he ran on it. And, you know, he's launched his campaign in Waco. I think you were here that day. We covered it. Retribution was certainly out in public. And anyway, the voted forum should have known that's where his heart and soul was going to be. But it is politically unpopular. And there is a direct line. I mean, the last batch of folks, he... threatened or accused of treason, include James Comey, who's now being criminally prosecuted by Donald Trump's Justice Department. Yeah. And, you know, just to pull back and think about the politics of this moment, this was an ad of veterans, right? Veterans who are really popular. People like veterans. They've served the country. They're popular. Veteran lawmakers saying, please don't do anything illegal. Like, that's it. Like, don't do illegal stuff. The law also popular, right? So, like, you find Donald Trump on the wrong side of both veterans and following the law. And Fox News is, like, just say you didn't mean the thing that's really inflammatory, that's not popular. And he just can't, he can't back down. He just has to keep doubling down. I think there's another thing going on here, which is that... You know, the person who you most remember this, he made this same thread, basically the identical threat to Mark Millie, right? And, you know, nothing came of that. Obviously, he was never tried for treason. There was no treason, so you would never have it happen. But if you talk to people in the military, they will say that the way that Millie was treated, both that threat and the fact they took the pictures down and everything else, has sent kind of a chill through the active duty command, which is, you know, very uncomfortable with... discussion of sending the military into American cities, very uncomfortable with Trump going to West Point or giving the speeches that he's given at the various academies, when he gets very political and gets very partisan, right? And a lot of people ask this question, well, when is someone from the active duty in military at a senior level going to stand up and say, this is not appropriate? When is that moment going to come, right? If you talk to people who are both veterans and people in the military about this, they say, Part of the reason that people have been hesitant is that the armed forces are meant to be apolitical. They're uncomfortable with that role. That's the biggest thing. But the second thing is that the Millie thing sent this message about the fact where Trump was on this. And I think, you know, I don't think, I think Trump has, is, there's a broad political game, which is, are these people popular, our veterans popular, which is all of which Molly's totally right about. But I think Trump is trying to.

is trying to make clear he thinks he's going to order the military to do things that are unlawful. My general. Right. And he is trying to send messages throughout to anybody that this message that these Democrats put forward, he wants to put, wants to make clear that this is not going to be easy for people to follow what the universal code of military justice, the uniform code of military justice says. You are not just allowed not to defy an unlawful order. You are required to defy unlawful or unconstitutional orders. That is what the Uniform Code of Military Justice says. Trump is, this is a little piece of an iceberg of a little piece of ice attached to a much deeper iceberg. Well, the other... Pieces that are above sea level, though, are the insistence on having Pete Hegseth there, who was also unpopular. Yes. Bipartisan opposition, I think our first ever was bipartisan. And the first round of firings were not just people close to Millie. They were the Jagged. The lawyers and the judge advocate generals, yes. So why wasn't the answer when this video came out? We'll retweet it. We agree. Right. Like the answer should have been, we'll never. issue an illegal order not to threaten to hangly's right there's a lot being said here by what's not being said as much as what is being said okay this is popular too right i mean there's a political there's a good political calculus it's smart politics maybe maybe next time the mayor can ask him about that are we just seeking a break we'll be right you know that thing where you get an amazing pair of shoes at a really great price and want to tell everyone about it yeah so do we Here at Designer Shoe Warehouse, we'll give you something to brag about. Like the latest styles from brands you love. Or the trends everyone's obsessing over. Or shoes that make you feel like, well, you. So go ahead, show off a little. Buying shoes that get you and prices that get your budget. Head to your DSW store or DSW.com today. DSW, let us surprise you. Walmart shoppers, meet the debit card design with you in mind. The Walmart Money Card offers up to $75 cash back on purchases at Walmart each year, early direct deposit, overdraft protection, and so much more. When Walmart is your everyday store, you need a card to match. That's the Walmart Money Card. Open your account today. The Walmart Money Card is issued by green dot bank, member FDIC. Fees, terms, and conditions apply. Visit Walmartmoneycard.com to learn more. This is a Monday.com ad. The same Monday.com designed for every team. The same Monday.com with built-in AI, scaling your work from day one. The same Monday.com with an easy and intuitive setup. Go to Monday.com and try it for free. The president of the United States just called for members of Congress to be executed. If you are a person of influence in this country, maybe it's time to pick a side. If you are a Republican in Congress, if you are a Republican governor, maybe it's time to draw a line in the sand and say that under no circumstances should the President of the United States be calling on its political opposition to be hanged.

As far as red lines go, we think that's a pretty good one. Molly? Yeah, you know, it's funny because you see these Chris Murphy videos and you know who he's talking to. He's talking to Jeff Bezos, right? He's talking to Tim Cook. He's talking to those Republican governors. And I think what's important to realize about this is... Eventually, there is going to come a moment over the next three and a half years where Trump is going to do something and they're going to need to push back, right? Like January 6th, where they're going to have to not go along with it. Because we know Trump and we know Trumpism and it just keeps going. It never stops. It doesn't. And so I do think even though this probably won't be the moment, what Chris Murphy is doing with those videos is actually quite smart. And eventually these people are going to have to tell Trump enough is enough. I mean, these are sort of points that I'm not sure are connected yet. But to Molly's point, you have the Kimmel reaction from the general public, cancellations of their Disney and Hulu accounts. You have the sweep. of those elections. And even the brand that Republicans thought they were going to ride to political redemption, Trump completely erased. And obviously, mayor elect Zohran Mamdani is politically talented enough that that was never going to happen anyway. The third is this very, very dangerous accusation against six, just any Democrats, not the most partisan Democrats. Six. veterans of the United States military and United States national security agencies. These are not just people that are in the Senate or an opposing party. They serve the country. I mean, some of them war heroes. And you are just letting this go like they're guilty of sedition. You who never served in the military. And that in the old days, they would have been shot. And here's a man who was shot. And a man, there was another assassination plot uncovered. If anyone should not want to raise the temperature to even put that in some psycho's mind, it should be him that was a victim. It is just unthinkable to me that he would be that uncaring and put these people in danger. And he didn't even use today to say, I denounce the threats because this was public before he went in front of the press. He never said a word about, wait a minute, maybe I blew it. on kill middy. He'll never say that, but let me say now that I denounce anyone to think that way. I disagree with these people. He never took an opportunity to even clean it up. I mean, he called Marjorie Taylor Greene a traitor this week. And as I said, the Mark Millie thing, this words don't mean. I mean, I think he is sending this message. I think he is, the thing I said before, I think is still true. I think this is part of a game that's that is about his long-term plans to what he wants to do with the military and what that's going to look like when it unfolds. But I also think that he uses terms like traitor. Like, you know, like a way that like, you know.

You know, little kids, you know, it's like, I don't know, you're playing Dungeons and Dragons, you know, and it's like these things of punishable by death. It's like he's like a, he's like, he's like, he's like, causeplaying these threats in some ways. And that doesn't make them any less serious because they do incite people in his, to commit this violence. There's Trump's irresponsibility that doesn't see the fact that his language has consequences. But I think in his head, he throws traitor around all the time. It's like, he's kind of like, you know, he does not. He has no responsibility. He has no sense of the fact that words matter. I don't think he really sometimes even understands the words he uses. And so it's like, you know, I mean, you can do it. Really, I just, I don't mean to make light of the whole thing. But the fact that he, the one of the thing you could always rely on for Trump is that his power as a nicknameer was great. And I wasn't on with you to say this. But, man, Marjorie Taylor Greene. And then a parenthetical to explain why Brown, because green, that's what happens to green when it rots. It's like, you know, definitionally. A nickname that requires a parenthetical to explain it is not a good nickname. That's how you know Trump's slipping. It's like, you know, I mean, that guy who came up with Marco Rubio and Lion Ted is now doing Marjorie Taylor Greene with a parenthetical to explain it. I mean... He's losing it. But on that, though, I mean, this idea about the capitulators is interesting because I actually think that Trump, even politically weakened, is still the only person with two hands on the wheel. He's the only president we have for three more years. And even if the knuckles are white and the nickname suck, he's still got an immense amount of power. And I think... You can do an immense amount of damage. I think one of the potential checks on his worst instincts... other than our new mayor, is going to be that the capitulators express some remorse. And the law firms that went down there on Ben Dinney literally and are now doing work for them as part of their social media posts crafted by Boris Epstein. Like, maybe we shouldn't have capitulated so fast. And I think that is what Chris Murphy is trying to do there, is trying to say, like, because the reason that Trump 1.0 wasn't the smashing, quote, unquote, success that the Heritage Foundation and that his people wanted it to be. was because the American people resisted, right? There were to sand in the gears at every point. And I think that this is what Murphy is trying to say, is that, you know, for this Trump's second time in office, there was a feeling that this was like a fet accompli. And you had the billionaires at the inauguration standing behind him being like, yes, yes, we want regulatory approval. We'll go along with this. And now you see that the rest of America does not. Right. So the companies are out of step with their customers. And you see that with Target. I mean, you talk about the Target. You guys did, these guys did a boycott of Target. And Target is now in freefall. And you've got other companies that are doing the same thing, having the same withdrawal. People are planning now around the holidays because of DEI of being removed by Trump. And I think that there's the quiet. but firm resolved by some people that we're not going to do this. Look at the No Kings March. The public. I think that we're seeing it building up. I'd like to see some of those CEOs and going to the No Kings March. I'll tell you when you're going to see those CEOs capitulate. They're going to see them capitulate after.

a year from now when when Democrats control a household. When they're all, you know, a branch of government. Hakeem Jeffries has got Jeff Bezos online-wide. I wouldn't be super optimistic about any of those people capitulating in the next year because their attitude is still. They should. They should. All right. I'm so glad we will always have had this day together. Please come back. It's so much better having friends at the table. Please, please. If you promise that every time we come back, we'll get something as good as that Zohran Mamdani Trump president. I'll come back every day. Halman, Reverend Al Sharpton. Molly, thank you so much for being here, guys. Up next for us, one of the Democrats targeted by Donald Trump and accused of seditious behavior, a sitting U.S. Congressman and former U.S. Navy officer will join us, along with one of the leading voices working to hold Donald Trump accountable over the last nine years. Quick break. We'll be right back. Your phone is your lifeline, calling your kid to say goodnight, waiting on a job callback, or just sending a meme to your best friend when it's been that kind of day. Wherever life takes you, the TextNow app keeps you connected for free. Get a real phone number, unlimited talk and text and 5G data for your favorite apps, all for $0 a month. No fixed contracts, no hidden fees, no panic when bills pile up, just phone service that's there when it matters most. TextNow, we've got your back. Download TextNow in your app store today. Wireless plans require the purchase of a SIM card. Visit TextNow.com. returns and conditions.