Democrats Add Tax Cuts To Affordability Agenda

It's Wednesday, March 25th. I'm Jane Koston, and this is what a day. The show that just wants President Donald Trump to tell us whatever he told Secretary of War slash little boy, Pete Hegseth. Here's Pete Hegseth on Tuesday. This is not Iraq and Afghanistan. This is not a president who's interested in vague end states. He's been very clear with us about what we need to accomplish. If he's been very clear with you about the war in Iran, could he be clear with us? Maybe. On today's show, new polling shows Trump's approval rating is on the decline. Shocking. And the Wall Street Journal's March Madness Bracket is A.I. Amazing. But let's start with taxes, one of the two certainties in life. A new report published by Fortune Magazine on Tuesday found that Americans pay more than $140 billion in out-of-pocket expenses and spend more than 11 billion hours just to fill out their individual tax returns. And that's before they actually, you know, pay their taxes. In 2022, for example, Americans paid more than $2 trillion in individual income taxes. That's a ton of money. And at a time when, according to The Guardian, nearly half of Americans think their financial security is getting worse, not better. and the richest people in America often pay remarkably little in income taxes. So after decades of Republicans seizing the opportunity to promote lower taxes to voters, Democrats are getting in on the action and talking lower taxes themselves. New Jersey Senator Cory Booker and Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen have put together separate measures aimed at easing the tax burden on middle and lower income people. Here's Senator Cory Booker discussing his legislation. So here's the big idea I want to share with you. No household in America should pay federal income tax on their first $75,000 of earnings. Keep your money. But here's my issue with this. It sounds incredibly basic to say, but taxes pay for public goods, as in goods that everyone gets to enjoy, from parks to roads to schools. I had a lot of questions about how taxing rich people to lower taxes on less rich people ensures we have the money we need for the buses, trains, public pools, and traffic lights we all rely on. So I spoke with Maryland Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen about his plan. Senator Chris Van Hollen, welcome back to what today. Jane, great to be with you. You introduced a bill this month that would eliminate federal income taxes for people making less than $46,000 a year and lower taxes for anyone making less than about $80,000 per year. It would also gradually raise taxes on Americans who earn more than a million dollars annually. What else should people know about this proposal? Well, it's good to be with you. The key idea behind this proposal is we have millions of Americans who are working hard every day just to make ends meet. And we decided, as part of this bill, that if you're just at the cost of living expenses, in other words, if your income is essentially matching your basic cost of living expenses, then you should be able to keep more of what you earn. So you're right. For a single individual who makes $46,000 a year, they would pay no

federal income tax, and then we adjusted for households and couples, and it's paid for, as you indicate, by a surtax on people who make more than $1 million a year, so that the first dollar... over a million dollars would have a five cent surtax, and then it's graduated from there. So it completely pays for itself. It gives working people a little bit more breathing room, and it says to folks who are doing very well, making over a million dollars a year, that they should chip in more so that all of us can do better. Now, I have a bunch of questions about this, and I'm sure you've gotten a ton of questions about this. First and foremost, Democrats are obviously not in control of Congress or the White House right now. So why did you decide to introduce this bill now? Well, because I think it speaks to the concerns Americans are feeling. I mean, we've seen in many of these recent elections at the state and local level that affordability is top of mind for Americans. And there's two sides to the affordability coin, right? One is we should try to contain costs, electricity prices are going up, grocery prices are going up, and we should do what we can to... prevent those costs from going up further. But the other side of the coin is how much money you have in your pocket to pay for your basic living expenses. And that's where this bill comes in. It says if you're in that category of people who's essentially going paycheck to paycheck, meeting your basic expenses, that you'll be able to have a little bit more money in your pocket. So it benefits about 130 million Americans. And again, it's financed by the surtax on people who make over a million a year. Ben Ritz from the Progressive Policy Institute think tank, he criticized your bill in the Atlantic, and he said, quote, if the entire universe of plausible tax hikes on the top 2% is spent cutting taxes for the other 98%, no money will be left to pursue other goals. What's your response to that argument, that taxing the rich should not just be used as a way to fund tax cuts for everybody else? Well, I disagree with this premise, which is there is additional revenue that we can achieve, for example, by the wealth tax. I mean, I support Bernie Sanders' proposal for a wealth tax, and Bernie Sanders supports this proposal that we're talking about right now to provide middle-income workers with tax relief. So it's not either or. We can provide working Americans with little tax relief and provide revenue for these other priorities as well.

to ICE and Customs and Border Patrol. I thought it was very telling, Senator, that the White House proposal included a line saying, we won't deport U.S. citizens, which is a funny thing for someone to need to say, that, oh, no, we won't do the thing that is actually illegal for you to be doing. But to that point, Markwayne Mullin was confirmed to lead DHS this week in a mostly party line vote. You told Fox News this weekend that you have, quote, no confidence in his ability to do this job. Do you expect DHS to look any different under Mullen than it did under a Kristi Noem? Other than a different face, I don't see any differences. I mean, they're going to continue to follow the Trump policies, which will remain the same despite some changes in rhetoric. You probably saw the White House sent Hill Republicans some memo saying, don't talk about mass deportations. The American people don't like mass deportation. They didn't say they were going to end mass deportations. They just don't talk about it. Yeah. And so, you know, they've said from the beginning they were going to go after the so-called worst of the worst. And we know that they're focused not just on the worst of the worst. They're engaged in these mass deportations. And to your point about simply saying they're going to do what's already required, I mean, I saw Mullen saying, you know, we're going to agree that you need a search warrant before you go into someone's house. That's what the Constitution says, right? This is the Fourth Amendment. This is plain constitutional law. So, you know, when they say, well, you know, we're going to finally agree to obey the law, we're not going to deport American citizens, we're not going to bash down your door without a warrant, it's like. That is not enough. We want to really fundamentally and meaningfully rein in ice. Right. Again, if you're saying we're finally going to obey the Bill of Rights, I feel like that says more than you're intending to say. Lastly, I have to ask you about Iran. It's being reported that the Trump administration is planning to send 3,000 more troops to the Middle East. These would not be boots on the ground, and I'm using air quotes. But what are your biggest concerns about the war in Iran at the moment? Well, my biggest concern is that it's making America less safe. It's making the region. less stable. I mean, the region is on fire now. And the administration entered this war without a clear explanation as to why, constantly shifting explanations, right? At one point, it was to get rid of Iran's nuclear program. Then Tulsi Gabbard admits in public testimony that they assess that Iran was nowhere near a nuclear weapon. Then Donald Trump changes this story again. They have no endgame.

We have lost 13 American service members, hundreds wounded, over 2,000 civilians killed in the region, including over 100 Iranian schoolgirls. And we're talking about $2 billion a day in American taxpayer money, plus rising in oil and gas prices. This was a huge miscalculation. It's a war of choice. It's an illegal war. And we should end it now. Senator Chris Van Hollen, as always, thank you so much for joining me. It's great to be with you. Thanks, Jane. That was my conversation with Maryland's Democratic Senator, Chris Van Hollen. Unlike death and taxes, listening to What Today is actually pretty enjoyable. So if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five-star review on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube, and share with your friends. More to come after some ads. What a day is brought to by Factor. It's finally getting hot again, and cooking is looking less enjoyable. But there's no excuse not to get the protein and nutrients you need to reach your goals. That's why there's Factor. What goes inside Factor? Quality functional ingredients, including lean proteins, colorful veggies, whole food ingredients, and healthy fats. No refined sugars, no artificial sweeteners, no refined seed oils. And meals that fit your goals and schedule. Healthier eating, calorie management, more protein, whatever you're doing, Factor can help. And with Factor, you get variety, with over 100 rotating weekly meals to keep things fresh and delicious throughout winter. Options include high protein, calorie smart, Mediterranean diet, GLP1 support, and ready-to-eat salads. Plus, the new Muscle Pro collection supports strength and recovery, perfect if you're getting back into a workout routine. I love to cook, but Factor, it's the next best thing. Head to FactorMeals.com slash Wad50 off and use code Wad50 off to get 50% off and free breakfast for a year. Offer-only valid for new Factor customers with code and qualifying auto-renewing subscription purchase. Make healthier eating easy with Factor. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. March includes International Women's Day, a moment to celebrate women's strength in progress while also recognizing how much they carry every day. Between caring for others and managing unseen responsibilities, our emotional well-being can easily be overlooked. BetterHelp wants to remind women how much they matter and that therapy offers a space for them to take care of themselves in the way they deserve. My sister is constantly focused on doing what's right and doing what's right well. And that's why she's been my inspiration for my entire life. But living up to her takes a lot of work, and I also want to make sure I'm living up to my own standard, too. Therapy can help. BetterHelp therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licensed in the U.S. BetterHelp does the initial matching work for you, so you can focus on your therapy goals. A short questionnaire helps identify your needs and preferences, and their 12-plus years of experience in industry-leading match fulfillment rate means they typically get it right the first time. If you aren't happy with your match, switch to a different therapist at any time from their tailored recommendations. Your emotional well-being matters. Find support and feel lighter in therapy. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com.com. That's betterhelp.com.com. This Monday.com ad was created by a team of people and AI agents. The agents wrote the copy and managed the timelines, while our human creative director made sure it all made sense. Easy. Create your own AI agent today on Monday.com.

Hello, my name's Stephen Fry. Today, it's my pleasure to be your guide on this quite interesting tour of London. Find out how Big Ben... Keeps accurate time with the help of a handful of pre-decimal coins, like pennies, farthings and shillings from 1933. And that... London's classic red phone boxes were actually based on a tomb. Join Stephen Fry and the makers of QI. for fun-filled and fact-laden GPS-enabled audio tours. Enjoy on location or at home. To get started, visit QI.com slash walking tours. Here's what else we're following today. Headalines. I am once again joined by Crooked's Washington correspondent Matt Berg to talk about the big stories. Hey, Matt. Hey, Jane. Matt, do you remember how we were wondering? Actually, I wasn't wondering, but some people were wondering whether or not we were at war with Iran a few weeks ago? Yeah, and that feels like years ago, honestly. Weird, because it's been like three weeks. But now we have a new problem. The world is still trying to figure out whether the U.S. is actually in talks with Iran to end the war that is a war. Here's what President Donald Trump had to say on Tuesday. They're going to make a deal. They're going to make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing, actually. They gave us a present, and the president arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize. I'm just going to say it. Whatever it is, don't open it. I've seen movies. Don't open it. But this present, Matt, isn't the only thing Trump's being vague about. Actually, he's being vague about the whole thing. He keeps saying, for example, the U.S. is in talks with Iran, but there's still no clear indication of what he's talking about. Or what the talks would be doing. Right. And despite all this vagueness from Trump, he keeps saying that things are just going great. On Tuesday, he spoke about Iran's military capabilities telling a reporter, quote, can you name one thing? That's not gone. Let's contrast that with what the administration is actually doing. There's news on Tuesday that the Pentagon reportedly plans to deploy 3,000 more troops in the Army's elite 82nd Airborne Division to support war efforts. And none of that sounds quite like peace to me. No, none of this sounds like peace. It definitely sounds like war. And at the same time, Americans are not happy at home. They are extremely pessimistic about the job market, according to new polling from Gallup that was taken at the end of 2025. According to Gallup, only 28% of people said it's a good time to look for a new job versus 72% who said it's rough out there. In 2022, 70% of people said it was a good time to look for a job. Remember, 2022, when people were quiet quitting and it felt like employers needed to do everything possible to keep their employees? Yeah, that was four years ago, believe it or not, it has been a very long. four years. There's other polling out today from Reuters and Ipsos showing that only 29% of the country approves of how Trump is handling the economy. That's the lowest number in either of his terms, which is pretty shocking. But a more important number maybe to Trump is that that is lower than any point in Joe Biden's presidency, which I'm sure that he's still going to find a way to blame Joe Biden for the economy, but the numbers here don't lie.

And Reuters also reports that Trump's overall approval rating is dropping now at 36%. So, I mean, you could say that things are looking great for him. It's also funny because, you know, we heard throughout 2024 that the reason people were voting for Trump was because of the economy and that somehow he could magically bring us back to the economy of 2019, which I don't remember being that great, but I guess people do. And that's not happening. But what is happening is basketball. We're in the thick of March Madness, and robots are playing this year. Sort of. They are not playing college basketball, which is good. But they are taking part in the Wall Street Journal's bracket tournament. According to the outlet, reporters trained Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT on how to find the best way to win a March Madness pool, and then secretly entered them into the bracket. Claude is currently in the lead, despite picking Illinois to win the national championship and not one of the number one seeds, like Michigan, for example, just picking one out of a hat. Interestingly, all of the large language models, which include Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT, were initially confused by the concept of a bracket. But actually, I'm fine with the fact that they couldn't figure this out. The more stuff AI figures out, the more scared I get. I feel the exact same way. I mean, now AI is coming for things that are actually just fun for humans to do, like the community building aspect. I love about March Madness, and now AI is going to be involved, and I personally do not want robots involved in my community activities. But I mean, this just goes to show, like you said, that AI is involved in not just writing and editing resumes and coding, but now it's getting good at betting, which could... bring up a lot of other problems. I mean, we're seeing all this news about prediction markets in the different problems caused there. And could people use AI to make good bets in prediction markets? Like, is that being regulated? How is Congress going to regulate this? It's also interesting because, like, AI models are good at probability and they're good at understanding metrics. After getting past their initial confusion, the models are now doing better than most humans in the Wall Street Journal bracket. They all avoided picking Florida, the number one seed that lost this past weekend. So to our viewers, who are you rooting for in March Madness? You already know who I'm rooting for in Match Madness because, come on, you watch this show. But, Matt, I'm always rooting for you. Thanks for having me, and please do not replace me with Claude anytime soon. And we have an update to a story we brought you yesterday. In a landmark decision on Tuesday, a New Mexico jury found that social media conglomerate META harmed children's mental health in violation of the state's consumer protection law. Jurors found that there were thousands of violations, mandating META to pay a $375 million penalty. A spokesperson for META said in a statement, quote, we respectfully disagree with the verdict and will appeal. And that's the news.

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