What Happens When Trump's Lawyer Becomes America's Lawyer

plan in place to try to figure this out to see if anyone else is doing this or attract future people from see if they're making these types of bets in the White House. Any discussions around that? Look, there are very strict ethical guidelines here at the White House that explicitly state not to do this. And the White House counsel's office makes that clear to all of us who sign up to work in government on behalf of the president. Yes, Caroline Lovett. We all know about these strict ethical guidelines governing the Trump White House. The question was spurred by news that federal investigators are probing a White House teleprompter operator, Gabriel Perez. According to reporting from ABC News and statements from the prediction market, Calci, Perez had been making bets on whether or not Trump would use specific phrases or reference specific topics during at least a dozen speeches, like February State of the Union address and Trump's remarks at a Medal of Honor ceremony in March, which, since Perez was operating, the teleprompter for their speeches, would be insider trading. According to ABC News, it was Kalshi that flagged the suspicious trading to regulators. Perez has been operating Trump's teleprompter since 2016, but he has now been put on unpaid leave. He's believed to have won more than $100,000 betting on Trump's speeches. Heavy, pungent smoke from wildfires in Canada and Minnesota darkened skies in the U.S. today. From the Great Lakes to parts of the East Coast, the smoke reduced visibility and prompted warnings of breathing the air outside could be dangerous. According to data from IQ Air, Detroit, Toronto, Minneapolis, and Chicago had some of the worst air quality of all major cities across the globe. And in the New York City area, a thick haze tinged the morning sky in orange and yellow, reducing visibility so dramatically that it partly obscured Manhattan's prominent skyline. One national weather service meteorologist said even if winds from the northwest, clear skies is expected later this week, the smoky air could keep returning until the fires are out. A meta-oversight board study released today shows that major AI systems, including those built in the U.S., are more likely to refuse to criticize restrictive leaders or governments. For example, ask Claude to make a pamphlet critical of President Trump or Britain's Charles III III, an Anthropics chatbot would oblige. But when prompted to do the same for Thailand's king, Saudi Arabia's crown prince, or China's leader, the artificial intelligence model declined. And that's not even the scariest part. Get this. The findings indicate that AI models are reflecting speech restrictions beyond the countries where they apply. For example, the report said that AI models could be less likely to help a potential demonstrator in Brisbane create protest materials to speak out against events in China or Saudi Arabia, even if that kind of expression is legal in the user's jurisdiction. And that's the news. Let's talk about the Department of Justice and Acting Attorney General, Todd Blanche. Todd Blanche has been under the microscope this week as he undergoes questioning from the Senate Judiciary Committee as part of his confirmation hearing. Eight major line item for senators? The concern that Todd Blanche, who previously served as President Trump's personal criminal attorney, might still be operating as Trump's personal attorney in spirit, if not in name. We played part of this exchange Wednesday, but it's worth playing it again in full, because I don't think this response to Louisiana Republican Senator John Robert F. Kennedy Jr. helped Todd Blanche's case.

Are you and President Trump friends? I'm his lawyer, was his lawyer, and now I'm the Deputy Attorney General. So I met him as his criminal defense attorney. I'm not sure there's very many people who have ever had a criminal defense attorney who calls that person their friend. I now have a... Well, let me put it this way. Are you enemies? No, we're not enemies at all. Todd Blanche is in a tough spot because history has shown that his future job security is dependent on doing exactly what Trump says. Todd Blanche would be Trump's fourth confirmed U.S. Attorney General. The previous three, during both of Trump's terms in the White House, lost their jobs for displeasing the president. So to talk more about what having an attorney general subject to the whims of Trump does to the justice system, I spoke to Laura Coates. She's chief legal analyst for CNN and host of Laura Coates Live. Laura, welcome to what a day. Thank you. What a day. What a week. What a month. What a year. I say that to myself every single day. So. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche just spent two days getting grilled in his Senate confirmation hearing. And the obvious giant concern from senators is that as Attorney General, Todd Blanche will just do whatever President Trump wants because he was Trump's personal lawyer before joining the Department of Justice. Now, is there any precedent for a president making his personal attorney the head of DOJ? What does this typically look like? Well, we've seen some nepotism in the past, right? We've seen something like that. So your brother can be varsan. But we've also seen people. Usually it's your person that you trust to make the decisions when you're not in the room who can independently oversee and very important. Department of Justice. I mean, the org chart is insane. And so normally, you would have a political appointee who's going to serve at the pleasure of the president. That is set in stone, so to speak. But you normally have somebody that's trusted based on advisors who have said, listen, here is someone on a short list I want you to consider because of their objectivity, because of their expertise, because you don't want to have to be the person controlling things because they're totally competent. Trump has a very different take on this. He believes, as you well know, that the DOJ was weaponized against him. And so he believes that the only way to correct it is to have somebody in place who's very comfortable having thumbs on a scale. He believes to reverse weaponization, but many believe is in fact engaging in it. So. Let's zoom out a little, because I'm glad you made the point about Robert F. Kennedy Jr. having Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. Then there's also Nixon with John Mitchell, who's the Attorney General who went to prison for doing crimes on Nixon's behalf. But I think you got it something important, which is looking at past administrations, what role is the U.S. Attorney General supposed to play in the DOJ and the government as a whole? You know, they are supposed to be the ones to...

set the tone in terms of the priorities of prosecution, knowing that prosecutors have discretion about the kind of cases they bring. They will prioritize the types of crimes. They will ensure that the morale and the efficiency of the department is at its peak to be able to effectively represent people of the United States. They have to ensure professional responsibility and ethics and knowing full well that the decisions that their line attorneys make not only will under the benefit of other. line attorneys, but also can take their cases if their credibility falls. But ultimately, their role is to oversee a huge department with a number of different divisions to ensure that the pursuit of justice matches our moral compass. And if you don't have somebody who is invested in every single division and singularly focused on trying to ensure the prosecutions of some at the pleasure of the president, you don't have a comprehensive department. And believe you, me, the United States of America requires a full justice department who is geared towards making sure that all different cases have the same level of objectivity and credibility. If you object to the appointment of Trump's personal attorney as America's next top lawyer, stick around. We'll get back to my conversation with Laura Coates in a moment. But if you like the show, make sure to subscribe, leave a five-star review on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube, and share with your friends. More to come after some ads. What a day is brought to you by DeleteMe. Have you ever thought, I really should be doing something to protect myself from stalkers, scammers, and hackers, but you're not sure what? Here's what you do. Go to www.joinedleetMe.com slash wad and enter code Wad. You'll get 20% off DeleteMe. In the age of AI, we're all especially vulnerable to scammers using your personal data that's floating around on the internet against you. Have you ever Googled yourself and found your home address, phone number, or the name of a family member? It's unsettling. But the good news is, Delete Me can help. Delete Me was named the top pick for data removal services by wirecutter. As someone with an active online presence, privacy is really important to me. I want to protect myself and my family. That's why Delete Me works. Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me. Now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to join DeleteMe.com slash Wad and use promo code Wad at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to www. www.joinedleetme.com slash wad and enter code wad at checkout. That's www.jindleatme.com slash wadwod. What a day is brought to you by Zbiotics.

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is extremely problematic. Now, I believe that you have to hold prosecutors to account. I've been a federal prosecutor. I know full well the power that they have. And I think it's important that people do question and having a healthy level of skepticism about who brings cases and why. But. That should be based on the conduct and the actual facts of a case, not the general impression that the DOJ does not have your back and only pursuing cases because they're the private attorney of one person. So you mentioned this a little bit earlier, that Trump views the Department of Justice as operating on his behalf. And Todd Blanche was asked yesterday if he's running the DOJ independent of Trump, and he basically said no, because DOJ is part of the executive branch. But Trump fired Jeff Sessions for not doing his bidding on the Russia investigation. Barr resigned after he made Trump mad about 2020 denialism. Before Trump... How did past AGs understand their relationship with the president? Before Trump, I think Attorney General, they felt powerful or at least an intellectual equal who could be at the table, have a seat, and be responded to. It wasn't as if they were a true subordinate. They knew that they were serving at the pleasure of the president, but they did not believe that if the president was displeased, that that meant... that they would no longer have a job. It meant that there'd be a discussion about how they would explain their choices or otherwise. I think now the serving at the pleasure of the president means instead, I must serve and be beholden to you, your moods, mercurial or charismatic. I have to do what I need to do to make sure you're happy, even if it comes at the expense of what I know to be the precedent. in the Constitution, in my own Department of Justice, and what is recommended by line attorneys. And I want to just make a quick distinction. When I talk about career prosecutors, those are prosecutors who serve not because they're political appointees. They oftentimes will serve through successive administrations. I myself was hired under Bush, served through Obama. I mean, this idea of being a career prosecutor, you did not previously feel as though the president's directives. would directly impact the ability to bring your everyday case. Now, I think, with the mass exodus and mass firings, and also, in fact, the current acting attorney general has been so supportive of the pardons that essentially tried to erase the valid convictions of line attorneys for proud boys, oathkeepers, and January 6 defendants. they don't feel that he has their back. And that is more than just a friendship faux pa. That is a professional indictment for prosecutors and also for the Attorney General. And so pre-Trump, it meant, I think, a seat at the table among equals. Now with Trump, I think it means tell me what you'd like me to do.

To that point, what Trump cares about most with regard to federal law enforcement is immigration. And the Department of Justice has followed suit and shifted resources away from other crimes, like sexual abuse and any number of especially white collar crimes to help ICE. So what does that mean for other types of prosecutions? If DOJ under Todd Blanche or under any Trump appointee is focusing so much on immigration, what's not happening? On a good day, the weight of the federal government is a bit of a misnomer. It's not essentially an elephant against a feather. The resources have always been strapped. The resources have always been stretched. It's just the institutional knowledge, the benefit of the doubt, and, of course, the power of subpoenas and beyond that really can elevate the ability of prosecutors to bring cases. even distinctly from a private litigant. So knowing that resources were always scarce, the fact that you're now taking resources away from any number of cases to prioritize what is in the political zeitgeist, more than what is in the pressing till, it means that justice... can't be pursued in the way that the American public needs it to be. All the different cases that are worked on. Some of them are the very salacious, very sexy cases that everyone wants to talk about on the group chat. But the overwhelming number of them are your everyday person who was wronged, who needs the power of the government to support them. And those cases are not always the most exciting cases, my friends. Sometimes they are the most mundane but necessary. But if you don't even have resources to do that and you're only prioritizing the things that might make it in the political group chat, you're going to see a lot of people feeling victimized, unable to address that victimization, and not having much faith in the Department of Justice to address it. And I fear that if the focus is solely on the sexiest cases according to the true social posts, a lot of people will be left by the wayside and that has dire consequences. So Todd Blanche is not in the clear yet. Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn said he still has some concerns after questioning Todd Blanche in yesterday's hearing. Republican Senator Thom Tillis said today that he won't vote for Todd Blanche if he doesn't meet with Epstein victims. And assuming every Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee votes know those votes are non-negotiable. So let's say theoretically, what happens if Todd Blanche is not confirmed by the Senate? Oh, I love a theoretical because, you know, a lot of things are going to be triggered in terms of Trump questioning the entire system, the confirmation process. He will have the political heads rolling, so to speak. He could allow him to be in the position for, there's a finite amount of time you can be a non-confirmed person when you have the advice of Senate and beyond. So conceivably, he could try to get somebody else in that position and have a series of acting people in that role that there is necessary cutoff because at some point, you have to have a permanently held. position. But I think one important thing, you mentioned the idea of the contingencies of these votes, call me a skeptic. But I put some, but not all weight in these threats of contingencies that many senators have, because the point was not just to meet with, as you might have a corporate meeting with somebody, right? Oh, yeah, oh, I met you. Hi, you're doing good. Nice to see you. Okay, I'm going to pass you off to the next person now.

It really was contingent, I think, for many of the survivors to feel as though the Attorney General was meeting with them with an eye towards trying to progress criminal investigations against those who wrong them or at least being able to offer some insight into what is lacking in the investigations. So I think a performative attendance of a meeting. If that is enough to meet the criteria, you haven't moved the needle. And I think that'll be very telling as to how the president, if he's not confirmed, or if he is confirmed, will move from there. Laura, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. That was my conversation with Laura Coates, chief legal analyst and anchor of Laura Coates Live on CNN. Before we go. Last week, a Texas father and construction worker was on his way to work when he was shot and killed by an ice officer. Days later, in Maine, ICE agents fired on another vehicle, killing a 26-year-old man from Columbia. This week on Runaway Country, journalist Alex Wagner examines these two fatal incidents on opposite sides of the country and the broader ice crackdown that has left countless families grieving and scared. Then Alex sits down with the bulwrix Sarah Longwell to discuss whether it's possible to change everyday Americans' opinions in immigration and get the ICE reforms we need to stop the senseless violence. Watch Runaway Country Now on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcasts. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review. Enjoy Trump discussing a quote, Po-Pourri of whatever weird shit he wants to talk about tonight and tell your friends to listen. And if you're in the reading, and not just about how Trump is giving a speech tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern that will likely touch on, quote, free and fair elections, i.e. his misbegotten belief that he won the 2020 election, which he didn't, like me, where today is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and subscribe at crooked.com slash subscribe. I'm Jane Koston, and you could watch Trump speech tonight, or you could watch almost any Trump speech from the last five years, which somehow always ends up discussing the same thing. What a Day is a production of Crooked Media. Our show is produced by Caitlin Plummer, Emily Four, Erica Morrison, and Adrian Hill. Our team includes Haley Jay Jones, Greg Walters, Matt Berg, Joseph Dutra, Johanna Case, and Desmond Taylor. Our music is by Kyle Murdock and Jim Jordan Cantor. We had helped today from the Associated Press. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.