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Welcome to Wind Tucson on this Monday. It is so gorgeous. What a wonderful weekend. 80 degrees yesterday. It's hard to believe it's December. And I'm just saying all that to rub it into my guest who's on the East Coast. Welcome, Steve, my good friend Steve, retired Brigadier General. And as I explained Betsy and Dave are on a cruise. So I appreciate you filling in for them on Monday. We normally break down the crime. And unfortunately, there's some horrific things to report about today. So why don't we start at Brown, Rhode Island's closer to you than it is to me. Two people dead, 11 students, one has been, were also injured. One has been discharged. The 10 that are still remaining in the hospital, though no one is in critical condition. That was a good statistic. I just heard as I walked in the door. But just, every time I hear these things on a college campus, it's just so upsetting. It's so disturbing. No, I mean, it is. You know, and I know we're going to go and we're going to talk about Australia in a bit and some other things. But it's, it's. At what point have we gotten to where it makes sense to people to go and shoot and kill other people who think differently than they do? I mean, this thing at Brown University, they don't know. It's very early in the investigation. You know, we don't want to speculate a lot, but, you know, they have reported in the media that the instructor was a Jewish woman, doctor. Yes. She was not in the classroom, there came in, but to teaching assistants, and I don't know if they were the ones that were shot and killed or who was, because that hasn't been released. And they were in there taking finals. This was a badged facility that without a badge, you should not be able to get in. But because it was finals week, the doors were open. And of course, we don't have a motive. And then they grabbed somebody, but they released them. They were a person of interest. I think you were telling me that they think they have a professor who actually saw the face. Yeah, and he wasn't in that classroom. He was in an, I think this was an engineering class. He was an economics professor. He said he saw him. He thought in the moment where he saw his face and the guy had the gun, he thought that was his death moment. Like he, in the moment he saw his face, so hopefully they can get him to do some kind of sketch. But he admitted to this reporter last night that he did see his face. And I guess the guy just kept going and didn't shoot him. But he said he locked eyes with him. The other thing that I just heard that after we hung up was that the girl who died was, I think, a sophomore, but she was in charge of the Republican club there.

on campus. I don't know that it's politically motivated because we don't know that. That may just be a coincidence. Right. But we don't have enough information to make those kinds of conclusions yet. And that's what we have to be very careful of, you know, because we don't want to jump to conclusions and say things. But Brown is, there's not a lot of information out on that right now. Right. Ella Cook was her name, though. Oh, wow. So she's an Alabama woman. So from Alabama and had attending Brown University. And so, you know, I do have that information, but I don't have anything. I mean, beyond that, I don't have anything. You're right. You're absolutely. Right. Thank you. And that's fair. I just think it's important, you know, to you and your listeners that, you know, when we talk, we say, hey, these, you know, I used to use a kind of a phrase and it may make sense to you, but I would tell media when I was being interviewed in my job in the Pentagon, I'd say, look, there are things I know, I can share, and I will tell you that. There are things I'm not sure of. I don't know. I don't have all the facts. And I will tell you that. There are things that I know and I'm not going to share it with you and I don't care how many times you ask me. I'm still not going to share it with you because you don't have a need to know. And you try to break it down in that way so people don't think, you know, we're holding something back. But we also don't want to put out bad information. So I think you do a great job of that, Caitlin. Well, thank you. I can't. So I don't know. I'm looking at who. I didn't mean to leave you speech. No, no, no. I'm looking. I'm reading a name. I can't read. So it's, it's Muhammad, Aziz, Emerskov. He was the other person killed. And. Yes, and Ella Cook, according to the College Republicans of America, she was the vice president of that club. And the other gentleman, he was also killed in the shooting, and he was known for his sharp intellect, kind heart and quiet willingness to help anyone in need. He carried himself with humility and compassion. So it seems like we lost two amazing young people in this shooting. And if there is a connection between them other than they were in the same class, the loss of him will be felt throughout this community. This is someone who knew him. His soul truly reverberated throughout the community. And he was from Uzbekistan. So. You know, just, just so, and this is the thing. Then, you know, these victims, they're somebody's sons and daughters. And this was, you know, their students were going to finish up finals and then celebrate whatever way they celebrate. And now forever, the holidays will be a reminder of these deaths. And it's tragic. It is absolutely tragic.

And so the other thing that I was hearing, and this is not, is that the building that they were in... was the older building and there's been newer buildings built but they've been told in the past that their camera coverage in this area which is now proving to be a problem in getting visuals on the actual shooter not the shooter or not the person of interest that they arrested who was not the shooter um But you and I were talking, and we talked about, well, now they're sending all these people home, but what about if this was a student there, and he'll go home with everyone else and then come back or not? So they're going to have to rely on people with their phones or ring cameras or other devices in the area, and hopefully they can track. They only have him walking away without any facial recognition. I'm sure they can determine height and weight. You know it's a male. But they really don't have a lot of information right now. No. I mean, the only thing that really was promising was when you said the one professor had seen the face, you know, so they can give some... sketch artists and some other things and pass that stuff around. But, you know, the one thing by sending everybody home, and you and I talked about a couple of things, you know, what does that do with the finals and the rest of that? How do you get grades? I mean, they have said publicly they're sending everybody home, they'll reschedule all that. What it does do by sending everybody home is it clears it so something else can't happen right now. And it gives them some time. So, I mean, I think in the long run, it'd be interesting to see what Betsy and Dave said, but I'm making a supposition that says this is a good thing right now. And, you know, hopefully we can solve it before everybody has to come back after the holidays. One thing I meant to say when we first got on because, I mean, Hanukkah started last night. So happy Hanukkah to all your listeners that are there. And, of course, we have Christmas next week. And then we have Kwanza the day after on the 26th of December. I love it. We have take a break. You're not as good as Betsy. She would have gotten it right on time, but it's okay. You are as good. You're the one still talking, just so you know. I understand. We'll be right back. All that thought. Okay. You are listening to 1030, the voice. You're trusted local news and talk. I'm Kathleen Wynne. This is Wynne Tucson with my very, very, very good friend, Stephen Munt. Okay. We'll be back right after this. Don't go anywhere.

Welcome back to Win Tucson and I am very happy to have Stephen Munt. What's your middle initial? I used to know it. Is it? Are you there? Did you mute? Hello, Steve? I do that mute so that I'm singing the songs that you guys play. It's not going out to all your listeners. Thank you for that. We appreciate that, actually, because I try not to sing on my show because I don't have a good talking voice, my singing voice, not so much. Well, they told me I had a face for radio, so. There, me too. Well, I do now too. So we're, peace in a pod. But I was talking to Al this morning because we had been in Australia and I meant to look it up, but I barely got here on time. So. We were in Australia the day after a shooting, and this had to be like 2012 or 13, somewhere in there, maybe even 2014. But a bunch of people were killed in a church, and it was a massacre in Australia, and I'll look it up. But then I remember hearing that they didn't have guns and they didn't, you know. And so to hear, I heard about the number of people shot at and killed that it was a celebration. It was the start of Hanukkah. And all these Jewish people were on a beach and they were lighting the first. And then there was all this shooting. And the youngest victim so far is 10, the oldest victim 87. And the death toll keeps going up over there. And so people made to the hospital but didn't have now succumb to their injuries. And this is a father and son. The father was 50 and I think the son was 25. And the son, though, was on the police radar. He has had intersections with the law. There was some belief that he had been with ISIS, and yet that got tamped down or something, or he went out of the spotlight on that. But clearly they knew who the young man was, but his father went along with him. It's disturbing. This good Samaritan that came and took the gun away from the father, one of the shooters who ended up dying at the scene, people are now criticizing him. And it just blows my mind. This guy had the courage and the thought to go take the gun away from the guy that was shooting people.

And so what's the criticism you're hearing because I just get blown away, literally. Well, okay. So on that specific piece, the guy literally ran, hit the guy, took the gun away, turned it around. You kind of look at him. It's interesting if you use weapons and have handled weapons, you know, how he was kind of fumbling with it. But the concern was, is, okay, well, why didn't he shoot him? You know, why did he let him get away if the guy started to take off? Well, you know, I mean, first of all, not everybody, not everybody is going to pull a trigger on somebody else. So let's start there. There's people that are just not going to pull a trigger. And that's okay. I mean, it is, it is a tough decision when you make that choice to pull and take somebody's life. Yes. The second piece is that what I heard coming back was that when the guy was talked to, they found out he didn't know how anything about weapons. So here's a guy who goes and takes a weapon away from somebody to prevent others from being killed, doesn't know how to use it. And people criticize it because he stopped the killing there, but didn't stop the guy 100%. You know, sometimes just give credit with credits to do, and let's go on to the next piece of this. Now, let's go back to this because the... What she said is currently right now, I understand the death toll is at 15. 15, right. And one of them, this is tragic. One of the victims, it's all tragic for all 15. This isn't to create a hierarchy. But one of them included a Holocaust survivor. Yeah. And his wife survived, and he passed away. And there were kids, there were babies and children that were killed in this thing. or injured. I mean, this is a horrific act, and you were talking about the son. The son was on the list. He's 24. He was on the watch list. However, the son, the son was considered not a person of concern. Now, this is what's amazing to me is Israel has come out, and the United States have both come out and said, we warned them. that something bad was going to happen, that they were getting the intelligence, they had the information, and yet nobody did anything. And so what's the immediate reaction now of the Australian government? To tighten their gun laws? Because we're going to make it harder for anybody to protect themselves. We're going to make more sitting ducks in our country. Sorry. That's how I feel about it. Well, I know, and you never hold anything back, and that's good. But in all seriousness, look, you know, it's interesting when people say, we need tighter gun control of the United States. Why don't we start enforcing the gun control laws we actually have on the books?

Right? I mean, what a concept. I mean, I want to go make more laws because we don't follow them anyway, but we'll make more laws and that'll make everybody feel good. No, why don't we do something called let's enforce the law? And look, there are certain things, and I know this is going to get very controversial with a lot of folks, but if you're going to buy a weapon, you ought to have to go in, tell the people who you are, have the background check done on you, and you get the deal to go buy the weapon. Most Americans are not, I mean, there's some, but most Americans are not going to get excited about that. I, you know, we, but we don't want to enforce that stuff, you know, and then we go, well, da, da, da, da, da, well, okay. And Europe now, that quote unquote, Australia had. How many times have you heard it in the past, and I've heard it in these gun control law discussions, they had the very, very best gun control law in Australia. Well, okay, it didn't work out this time. So rather than trying to tighten it up, I'd try to go figure out what went wrong. How did they get the weapons? Where did they get the ammunition? How long have they been in the country? How much intelligence did we have? What could we have done differently to have prevented this so it doesn't happen again rather than putting more laws on the books that nobody enforces or understands? That's how I feel. Well, no, and I don't think you're wrong. I just, I...

I look at when they're senseless death, and the only people, and they had, this guy was somebody, the father, I think, or the son, I'm not sure who had amassed six guns, but in a place where you're not supposed to have any guns, and they're able to get six guns, clearly your system's not working. right and tons of ammunition yeah well they're exactly i mean this one it's not just not just the gun but you had to go get a bunch of ammunition i i no you're and unfortunately yeah it's a good system if everyone go but the criminals don't abide by the laws the laws don't are not for them so um you know i i i i i um So, well, I, we will pray for, I think there's still people in the hospital there, some in very critical condition. This death toll may not be like the Brown University. I am grateful that there is, well, I'm not grateful for the two deaths. I'm grateful that there, that that loss of life was so much smaller. What will be tragic if those were the targets. And as you mentioned, the professor was Jewish and she wasn't there. So that may have changed the gunman's thinking, right? We don't know that and we won't know it and we're not going to surmise that until we have more facts. As for this situation, I think the son, the 24-year-old, is also hospitalized, right? He's in fairly bad shape. So I wonder if it was supposed to. So often that's what happens is these people. Look, I shouldn't say these people. Okay. It is part of radical Islam that says if I die and kill others, but I die, I die a martyr. And unfortunately, that's their mentality. And that's where this father and son, I'm convinced that's what we're going to find out is where they were. They were part of the radical Islam movement that the only good Christian or Jew or others of other faith is a dead one. And that until we can all convert to Islam, that they're justified in doing what they do. I mean, that's the mentality that in many cases we're dealing with with these terrorists. Well, and I think the mentality, but the mentality of a terrorist is they're putting their life on the line like our soldiers do, but for a whole different perspective. And they are willing to die. They are not protecting. They are murdering. And we have to be smart enough to recognize the signs and be an of a college campus or if there is a big event like this, there should have been security. And clearly there wasn't security in Australia and there wasn't eyes on the students at Brown University. It's always great to be an armed...

Share quarterback afterwards, but unfortunately. But I mean, how often do you go to public events right now, Kathleen? I mean, I know you're very, very involved all the time. And we've got to take a break. We'll come back on that thought. Okay. It's a hard break. It's the news break. I don't have any flexibility. Okay. You are listening to 1030 The Voice. You're trusted local news and talk. We are talking to my good friend, Steve Munt, who's very cold right now because he lives in Virginia. I don't. Yay. I will be back right after this. You're listening to Win Tucson. I'm trying to get him and his wife to come out and visit people. I'm not mean. Really, I'm not. We'll be back right after this. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to Wind Tucson and my special guest, Stephen Munt. And there you go. And I just want to correct something. So the shooting, when we were in New Zealand and Australia, it was actually in Christchurch, New Zealand that happened. And we were there the day after. But because people didn't know the time frame, my family was freaking out because they didn't know we were safe. And we were in the city the day after the shooting. And I think it was back in 2000, I want to say 14 or 13. I'll have to look that part up. But it was Christchurch, New Zealand. So I just want to correct myself so that I didn't misspeak. It wasn't in Australia. It was close, a lot closer than here. But it's still, and New Zealand has similar gun laws, I think, to Australia. Does it not? Yeah, no, they do. Okay. So same problem. You know, and I, yeah, so, but I think the, the point I was trying to make is no matter what kind of security and protection you put up, if somebody wants to do bad things, bad things are going to happen. But I urge everybody to have their head on a swivel. If you're out in, look, when I walk my dogs in the morning, in the dark, my head is constantly moving. I want to know where people are and what can happen. Bad things happen when you become complacent. Or you're in your phone or you're listening. Exactly. If you're distracted, it's not just driving. It could be walking your dogs. So you've got to be paid attention. I want to shift gears with you because Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, was just recently at the Reagan Forum. I think it was three days with the top. You know, and I don't know that we're going to get this all done. We're not. But let's get started. We're not. There's three days of it. But before we go there, can I, can I take a moment? Because I think, first of all, we know that a National Guardsman was shot and killed in Washington, D.C. May she rest in peace. We know that the other National Guardsman that was shot is now doing better. He's actually stood up. Yes. He's actually breathing on his own. Yep. I mean, this is a miraculous recovery. Okay. And I think it's important that we update that piece. How we can have any member of Congress sit on the dais.

and call what happened to those guardsmen. An unfortunate accident is insane. That's the same reason we don't use terms like, well, it was an accidental discharge. No, it was negligence that caused that. Okay. This was murder. This was somebody with a gun walked up to two folks and shot them. That's murder. That's not an unfortunate accident. And now, if I switch gears real quick and go to Syria. where we have some troops trying to help there with the fight against ISIS. We had two soldiers and a civilian killed in Syria when they were going to a meeting to talk about how they could exchange intelligence. And the guy that shot and killed them was a guy that was being put out of the Syrian forces and nobody knows why he was there and what he was doing when he killed those, sir. You know, that's negligence. No guy, if he's being put out, should have a weapon. Right. And he just proved their point, right? Why he was putting, because he wasn't stable. Yeah. And I didn't mean to digress like that. But I think the other thing is, is we need to kind of think about Europe who has excessive gun control laws, very, very tight. I mean, if you own a gun or a hunter. Oh, no, no, not even, Chicago, Chicago, the people in Chicago would freak out because if you're a hunter in Europe, not only you have to have your weapons registered, you have to have a full on safe that you can store them in. It has to be approved by the government in Germany, and they have to be stored in there under lock and key, and you have to be able to account for every shell, everything else, and do the rest. And yet they are having, you know, they said, well, they don't have, yeah, they are. They're having those problems because the culture in Europe and in England or in EU and England is changing dramatically. And the violence and crime goes up. But instead of blaming the criminals, they make. What do you want to call it? They give liberty to the criminals and blame the people. And so that's where you see all this starting to happen. There was a number given out the other day that says major cities throughout Europe and England are drastically changed in their complex makeup. And that in London itself, that they are down to about 30% that are naturalized, born, raised, English citizens, and that 70% are not and do not want to assimilate. They want to change London to be what they want it to be. And we're seeing that across Europe, and we're seeing that here in the United States and major cities. And so with that is going to come more and more violence. Violence against people who should not be violated. Women in Europe are not safe to walk streets in certain places. It's insane.

Well, and the Europeans, and I asked you this question, like I didn't remember that... You know, because the UK had Apache. So my entry into the UK wasn't that they were adverse to our conservative positions. They may not have gotten over the whole 250 years ago thing, but they were more of, they were more conservative back in my memory between 2000 and 2010. You know, in 2001, The next year 2002, Al and I, with a group of people, flew over there. We rented motorcycles and we toured around England and France and Germany. And people treated us, we were there on 9-11 a year later. And people treated us. with great compassion and humanity. People were still very respectful of the United States. So to hear that, you know, the UK's gone like woke and in Europe is too. What is causing that?

My supposition, and I think there's others that have said the same thing, is that if you look at the mass influx of immigration over the last 10 to 15 years, and you look at the change in political discourse because of that, it has become more and more liberal. And doesn't reflect the values of those same Europeans that I spent my life growing up as a kid when my dad was in the military. When I was in the military with, I've got great friends in the British forces and the French forces and the German forces. I mean, the Luxembourg forces, you know, all those folks throughout Europe had a much different mindset. And it kind of almost started in Germany up around Bremenhaven as people started to come in that way. And you had these very liberal centers. But if you went over near the border down by Graftonville and Holmfelds and the rest of that, where they had suffered, not just World War II, but had suffered to the Cold War and understood what was at stake, two completely different. political outlooks. And that liberal pieces continue to move forward. You look at the number of liberal programs they have in Europe now, how they were paid for. They were paid for at the expense of their military, their defense, and many other things. And now what you have is this hollow shell of a military, which is what Vladimir Putin knows and what others know. And, you know, Trump is saying, look, guys, you've got to fix your military. You know, this idea, a common defense means you've got to be able to provide. Common defense. Common defense. They're all going to come running to the United States of America. Hello, that's not a common defense. That's a, and we want them, I mean, we've always made fun of the French, but we want everyone else to have a reasonable military. I shouldn't have said that. That's probably not nice. I'm going to go on this break early and then we come back. I do want to... I... We're going to do the Reader's Digest version, and then I'll have you back, if you come back next week, to talk about what happened. It'll be shorter than Cliff Notes, okay? All right, that's okay. We'll do that. We're going to take a break. We're talking to Stephen Mutt, my good friend, on 1030 The Voice, your trusted local news and talk, and national and international, because that's just the way the weekend rolled. We'll be back right after this. Oh, by the way, you have a... crushed Alabama, number one in the country. Love my basketball team. We'll be back. Don't go anywhere. Kathleen Wynn. You had to go to basketball because that didn't happen in football. Go ahead. No, we're in a bowl game. Don't you argue with me. We'll be back right after this. Let me go on break.

Well, that's a blast from the past a long, long time ago. I think I was a teenager when that song came out. Maybe not. Maybe I was in junior high. I love that song. Okay. So, welcome back to Win Tucson with my good friend, Stephen Mutt. And there was a wonderful event at the Reagan Center. It happens. And I think... If we go to day three, I'll go there. There was a lot of talk. Oh, you're going to day three. Well, I am because I think that's where there's a lot of great things. I love, I think Russ Vought talked in the beginning about OMB, and I think there's a lot. We'll have to do a whole show on this. But the technology change in the military is. is critical for the U.S. to stay at pace with what's available in the world with technology. It doesn't replace ground troops. It doesn't replace, you know, boots on the ground. But there is a way, a vision, if you will, that I see that the military is going, and I would like you to address that, if you don't mind. Well, I mean,

Let me start here. When Randy George first became Chief of Staff of the Army. Yes. People were looking around because he was going in and saying, I want you to take all this equipment. I want you to get rid of it. We were getting rid of old, outdated excess equipment. And many viewers and listeners were hearing that and they're going, what are we doing? Well, we had tons of equipment. on our books from fighting a number of different kinds of conflicts where we went out and we bought certain stuff that we weren't using. And it was sitting in our motor pools. And what we had to do is go back and say, what's the stuff we're really going to take to the fight? What's the stuff that you can actually drive out of the motor pool and employ? And so if we get rid of all that other stuff, we can sell it, we can discard it, whatever, but we're going to stop spending soldiers time on maintaining outdated, unused equipment. And we're going to focus on our warfighting equipment. That's not unlike General Tom Swartz who did the same thing down at Fort Hood at one point when I was a young battalion commander. And he came in and he said, I'm going to have everybody turn all of their equipment around and you're going to face outside your motor pool so I can see the business end of your equipment. And what he was really doing, and it's a stroke of genius, but he was forcing people to take all of them. Pardon for the word, all the crap that they put up along the fence that they weren't using that was rusted and outdated and the rest and literally pulling it into the middle where it could be seen and people had to look at it and do the rest of that and clean it up. So first of all, you got to get rid of the stuff you're not used. Now, then the question becomes is how do you facilitate rapid change? in innovation. And AI is going to be an enabler, but it isn't going to be the solution, as you said, for boots on the ground. So there has been, and Al and I were working on it when we were in the military, and that was a few years ago. Just a few. But yeah, but we were working on how do you do drone technology and do manned and unmanned systems, man and unmanned teaming. Right. And I remember Kathleen, you and I having a discussion at one point about, well, nobody's going to get in an unmanned helicopter and be flown. anywhere. And I went, well, I don't know if I was in combat and I had a choice of getting to a life-saving facility in an unmanned platform because it was too dangerous to fly more people in to get me out, I think I'd take that risk rather than dying there in the middle of nowhere. You know, and so we are going to change culturally how we look at some of this stuff. But we've got to find the best.

equipment we get. The second piece is there has to be a rapid shift in how we contract. Because the way we have contracted forever is we tell somebody we're going to buy 700 or something. And let's use Apaches because Al and I are very familiar with this. Okay. So if I'm going to buy seven Apache, I mean, if I'm going to buy 700 Apaches, and I'm going to buy them, and we'll use this number, 50 a year. Okay. How many years does it take me to buy that fleet out? 14. Okay. So it takes me 14 years just to buy that. I was there. I was just ready to say 14. Okay, go ahead. It took me a while to do the math. I knew you were, but I wasn't going to hold you to math in public. But I'm good with that. It takes me 14 years to buy this. Yes. How fast do I change out computers in a day-to-day office? All the time. Every three to five years. Right. So I'm not going to be buying the same system I was buying back then, but we're trying to. So a condition with it. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. We're talking about upgrades. We're talking about technology advances. So, and then is there a cost to that? Is there a cost savings? Is there a cost plus up? But I want to point something out. So this is a, this is a product that's in, in production, okay? But where I think there's so much waste, Steve, is that we, we award a contract to a military. producer says we're going to produce the next latest greatest blah blah blah and they don't do it and they get millions of dollars and they never produce the thing that they were supposed to and that's you know and not nothing not to cast aspersions on the the the command sheet team but the command sheet team got something as far as they did but it was never It's why there's still Apache helicopters. And so, but, and a lot of money. And the reason there's now been an extension on the Apache program is because someone else didn't get their job done, but millions of dollars were wasted. And you can tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I won't necessarily say you're wrong, but there's parts of that story that you're leaving out. I mean, one is, is that we decide we're going to buy something. Yes, yes. And the Comanche was probably the best helicopter ever built.

that we never bought or really flew, okay? Okay. And if you ask out, if you make me say that, I will say it today, but I don't. No, no. No, I mean, I understand because the difference is the Apache was the best helicopter we built, we fly, and we use. Okay, so you'll be okay with this. But, but my point is that we then continue to try to change the requirements on this platform. We then go through. what I call budget drills constantly where we cut money out, we add money, we don't take and we don't fully fund the program, and then we want to know why it doesn't deliver on time. Now, then to the other side of that is industry, and Al's heard this for me a million times, industry has a tendency if I say, can you build this? They go, well, sure we can. But what they're really saying to me is I can build it if you're willing to give me enough money, enough time, and take enough risk. And so if I said to them, I want to tell a transporter, there's somebody in industry that would bid on that and tell me they could build that. And they probably can at some point. But it isn't going to happen in time to put it in the hands of soldiers tomorrow. So you've got to figure out how to break this long-term infatuation with technology that people do and say it's good enough. And that's kind of, you know, I hate to say it, but that's the way the Ukrainians have taken the drone technology to where it is today. It was good enough. They modified it on the fly. They're using it. It hasn't been through 15 years of testing, FAA certification, all these other things that take time and money and effort and never produce anything. So, you know, I appreciate the Defense Department saying this is how we're going to behave. And this is what we want to do. We want to do rapid change integration, upgrading, and put new stuff in the hands of... Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, you know, how long does it take to build a ship? Well, it doesn't get built, you know, in a year. Now, we may get better at it. Hopefully the Koreans and, you know, hopefully the Finland is going to help us with ice breakers and things, but that's a skill we've lost. And so if it takes you, the Chinese are, the CCP is exploiting that. Oh, yeah. Okay. So where we're not efficient, where we used to be, or we were the king of the hill, if you will, Russia, China, North Korea to a much lesser extent, they are exploiting those deficits and they're capitalizing on them. And they're trying to create a, and with the Navy and with, the warship in the ports and everything else, the CCP has made a concerted effort that that's where they're going to make the battleground be. I mean, I think that's pretty obvious. And they have Taiwan in their sites. And so we're going to have to fight in a place, I think, that we're not used to fight. Not that we can't use all of our other equipment and do other things.

But again, as you say that, you need to take a look at China's ability to reach today. Okay. It used to be very contained and very short. It is Taiwan is a big concern of ours. But we better start looking at Okinawa, Korea, all the other places, the Philippines, Guant, because their stretch and their ability to influence that region has greatly changed in the last 10 to 20 years while we're screwing around with many fights that probably weren't our fights to be in. We got in them. We've done it. And as we were focused on all of that, they were focused on building. And that's what they did. They took that time, which I think it was Rumsfeld, who used to say, well, we're in the middle of a peace dividend. So, you know, we got all this time. No, you're in the middle of a downtime. You need to be preparing for the next great fight. And that's what this country had better do. And I think that if I summarized anything, Pete Hegseth said. Secretary of War said, it was, you have got to invest today. We've got to invest faster. We've got to develop faster. We've got to put stuff out. And this president and his finances are going to do that. And they're not going to be held up by a 60 vote in the Senate that says, I'm going to, how is it? Okay, you get me all excited and we have like almost no time. You got a minute. The bottom line is, go ahead. Here is a Congress. who has not passed a budget in 10 years. Thank you. Yes. They pass continuing resolutions, and those are bad for not just the military, although we lose millions. I mean, it's probably billions of dollars we have lost under these CRs in our spending power and our ability. And the American people ought to be livid and they ought to be right in every one of the Congressmen. But when you go to industry, it's equally as destructive for them. Because, you know, you say, well, okay, I'm not going to buy 10 of those. I'm only going to buy six of those. Well, okay, they still cost me what 10 would have because industry has to get their money back for what they put in it. Right. But at the same time, if you're only building six, I don't need as many people. I don't need as much material. I don't order those long lead items. And then we allow our whole business to get into, oh, God, what's the, I'm not losing the word for the, materials that China's got it's not precious metals it's rare earth rare earth minerals yeah and I could go on with that because you got a company in Malaysia from Australia that was trying to do that and Trump was working with him one of their machines went down guess who makes all the parts to fix the machine

China, and China said, we're not showing you any of those parts. Exactly. Exactly. It's like our medication. We should be drug-free by next year because China makes all our medicine. We'll get that next time. And I know we're going to a hard break. And we've got plenty of time to come back. I do, but I have a guest at 10. And so I don't mean at 10. I'm leaving you today, but we can come back at a future date because I love you. And in spite of the fact, you continue to tell me how warm it is there. It is. freaking freezing here. I just wanted to point out one of us lives in a good place. And I, uh, I'm not close to the Pentagon. All right. We will be back right after this with Scott Musie from Arizona Free Enterprise. He has a report they released on Friday that we're going to delve into. You are listening to 1030 The Boys Your Trusted Local News and Talk. I'm Kathleen Wynn. And this is Wynn Tucson. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to Win Tucson. I have been looking forward to this interview all weekend long. It is with Scott Musie and Arizona Free Enterprise released a report on Friday after I think I got off there or maybe while I was on there and I didn't get to jump on it then. But Scott, thanks for joining me today. But this report is about Arizona's liberal NGO syndicate, organized crime. and basically how the Democrats have been benefiting from funding from George Soros and others. And it's not a two-page report. It's got so much information. And how long you, I'm just curious. You know, why do you feel it was important right now to publish this? And what should listeners understand right out of the gate? And welcome, by the way, friend. Thanks, Kathleen, for having me. Yeah, we released the report late last week on Friday. And it's something that we've been working on here at the Arizona Free Enterprise Club for several months this year. And it is something actually that we've monitored for several years, but this report's been several months in the works and heavy research to do it. And the impetus was the... was back when Trump was being inaugurated and the discussions then and what came to light related to the use of taxpayer funds through USAID and other sources, taxpayers funding nonprofit organizations and NGOs, not just around the world, but here in the United States, to engage in various left-wing activity. And so we already knew that many of the organizations on the left here in Arizona that had been operating for several years, were heavily funded by out-of-state sources, so we were curious about the taxpayer element, and then just do an update. How extensive is this network in Arizona? So after several months of research, what we released is the culmination of that report, and what it identifies is that there is a vast network of over... of over, you know, over 180 different transactions among dozens and dozens of different groups where you'll see not just tens of millions, but actually hundreds of millions flowing to...

liberal organizations operating in Arizona, specifically designed to flip Arizona blue. I mean, that's the purpose and intent of this network, this syndicate of liberal NGO groups. And yes, these NGO groups are receiving taxpayer funds. One of the ones we highlight in the report is funding from USAID in past years that have flowed to these various what we call intermediaries. These are the various national NGOs that then get passed along to groups operating here in Arizona. Well, and I think this report is so great. So if people want to get the report, how do they do that, Scott? They can visit our website, go to www.AZFree.org, or they can visit our social media pages on Facebook or X as well. The full report's been posted on both of our social media pages there and on Instagram as well too. So, but you could, do you want to just download the report? You can go to azeefree.org. Thank you. And we'll, I'm going to remind people again because I think when they hear what you have to say.

You're saying taxpayer dollars were being used against us, basically, for ballot measures, for paying off the media, fake news, I guess, lawfare, all these lawsuits that there were. And, you know, and you put democracy in quotes here and then open borders. So all of those things, and we know the open borders brought in millions of people. At a high level, what did your research uncover about how political nonprofits are operating specifically in Arizona today? Yeah, and what we broke this down is that we broke it down in where the sources of revenue originate from, how they flow to what we call the intermediaries, which are kind of the pass-through groups. that are used to take in this funding. And then finally, the end result, how they get passed onto those different organizations. And as you described it, the various activities that they're engaging in it. And to be clear about one thing so that your listeners understand how this kind of works is that these types of organizations are organized as either 501c3s, which are tax-deductible organizations under the IRS. code. They're considered philanthropic. Yes. And are tax deductible. And then you have 501c4s, which are social welfare organizations. They're part of the network as well. Contributions to those particular groups are not tax deductible. And so what you'll see is that much of this money flows through and some of the big-name people that you often hear about, George Soros and others, are huge originators of these funding sources. Many of these liberal billionaires utilize what are called donor-advised funds. What those are are basically financial institutions that set up special – special funds that donors can contribute to and then use that as a way to donate to tax-deductible NGOs or non-governmental organizations. And so many liberal billionaires will give money to these DAFs, these owner-advised funds. In our report, we identified about a billion dollars that flowed to these DAFs, but then go to various intermediaries and flow down. And then finally, as an origination of sources, is taxpayer funds. It was interesting the beginning of this year, after Trump was inaugurated and he began his border crackdown, we immediately saw these new groups popping up in Arizona to oppose.

the border crackdown. And it was groups that we had never heard of before. Right. And when we started digging around and looking at them, lo and behold, they were part of this network. And then after a little bit more research, quickly discovered that, yes, these groups were being funded by many of the same NGOs that were receiving taxpayer money and funding from USAID. I have to ask since I live down here. Is there any connection between those groups and our newly elected Congresswoman Adelaide Grahava because she's been attacking ICE agents, although she'll say that they're attacking her, and she's been fighting against the illegal immigration efforts to remove illegal residents here from the state? We would almost guarantee that many of the major organizations, and just to highlight a few of the big, the Arizona-based groups, that are operating, whether it be Mifamilio Voda, Lucha, probably the big one down in southern Arizona that was supporting her, Chispa, which is based in Tucson. They're a seven-figure, well-funded group that is a 501c3, so they're tax deductible, but they also often in every election cycle, in fact, in 2024, spent millions of dollars on Arizona. candidate races as well too. And so no doubt that these groups were, um, uh, were active in the last cycle. And given their track record, I have no doubt that they were supporting, uh, Grijalva and her campaign as well too in Tucson. Okay. Thanks. I, uh, you, you think you know something anecdotally, but obviously you've got the facts to back it up, which makes a much stronger argument. Um, Scott, I looked at what's happened to Colorado, Nevada, California. They all used to be red states. New Mexico has always been a tinge blue and is blue. But Arizona seems to be the focal point for this activity. We've been a target. And other than the border, why is our state such a major target for the national political organizations? Make no mistake, this is a national coordinated strategy by the left. And you mentioned one of the states, Colorado. That was actually the first state where this new model was deployed. And the idea being that historically pre 2005, most political activity flowed through the political parties, outside groups or NGOs. played a role, but they were a much smaller role compared to the political parties. Well, in Colorado, that was the first state where you had some Colorado liberal billionaires that decided to fund these various NGO-type groups and were wildly successful in doing it to the point that they were flipped, they flipped California, Colorado Blue. In fact, there was an entire book written about it called The Blueprint and the Blueprint.

After that, national groups were organized to coordinate this strategy in various states to help fund state-based NGOs to flip states blue. And the biggest organization doing this, the biggest entity doing this was one that most people never heard of before. It's called Arabella Advisors. And that's an entity that receives billions of dollars each campaign cycle. And all they do is go out and help organize and fund and coordinate campaign, build infrastructure in states like Arizona to flip them blue. And that's what we are seeing. And we started seeing this activity popping up about 10 years ago in Arizona. Prior to that, there wasn't really any sort of organized strategy or structure. That all changed in 2015, 2016, and we saw this explosion of... far left NGOs popping up around Arizona engaging this activity. And probably the one thing that everyone needs to be aware of is that these organizations are almost 100% funded by this network. funded by out-of-state resources. This is not an in-state funded endeavor. This is an out-of-state endeavor, pouring money to do these different activities. And all the things you highlighted, lawfare, trying to litigate and stop laws passed by a Republican legislature, fake media outlets that are created here in Arizona, you know, grassroots organization, community organization on the ground. that's running year-round, nonstop, 365 days a year, all built together, then to be used to influence and change the outcome of elections. Scott, I've got to take a quick break. Can I get you to stay with me? And because I have like a bazillion more questions if it's okay with you. Absolutely, Kathleen. Okay, great. Thank you. We're talking to Scott Musie from Arizona Free Enterprise, who just did this comprehensive study to prove what we knew was happening. And I want to know where we go next because with this data, we should be able to get the corruption out of Arizona elections now more than ever. It's so critical. So you are listening to 1030 The Voice, your trusted local news and talk. I'm Kathleen Wynn. This is Wynn-Tusan. Stay with me. And Scott will be back on the other side of this brief commercial break. Welcome back to Wynne Tucson with my brilliant friend, Scott Mucie from Arizona Free Enterprise. Scott, I have like so many questions. So. We have an election coming up next year that is, I believe, critical for the life of the state. I don't want to be dramatic, but I do believe that we have to understand this report and the significance of it. So this isn't just typical campaigning, traditional campaigning. What makes this nonprofit network different from that?

Well, I think what it is, and I think probably the first thing that most people need to be aware of, especially people here in Arizona, is again, none of this was by accident. And this is a coordinated, sophisticated syndicate being used by the left here in Arizona. And it's large amounts of resources being used to try to accomplish that particular goal. Arizona taxpayers downstream are paying for this because it's getting funneled through this system. And so the first thing about it would be that understanding and knowing what's going on and then from there what can be done to combat this. The good news is I would say at this point right now is that the Trump administration, many of the steps they've taken since they have come back in on last January is both through the Department of Justice. also through actions through Doge and others, that some of the taxpayer-funded revenue streams like USAID have been cut off from this philanthropic liberal network. Do you know what the bottom line is on that, Scott? Like how much of that was making its way into Arizona races from USAD? Do we know? Well, for funding the network itself, we identified over 50 million last campaign cycle going to the various intermediaries. And this is the game they play, is that what you'll see is that it's by design. This is intentionally opaque. They want to create this as complicated as possible. All these liberal NGOs. They're organized. The financial transactions are complex. We identified over 180 different transactions, large transactions being circulated through this staff network. And purposefully, because what they want to do is they don't want to. people that easily identify the USAID money flowing directly to one particular group. And so what they do is they'll diversify the funds, put it into a big pot, and then distribute the funds out. And so we, through that, we identified over 50 million last cycle that went to the intermediaries that eventually flowed money down to these various AZ operating, Arizona NGO groups operating here in Arizona. And as I mentioned before, some of this is going to be election oriented, like get out the vote efforts, GOTV, what we call the fake media, the funding of fake 501c3 news outlets, even to the point. And we haven't checked, at least for the news outlets down in Tucson, but we do know with AZ Central that if you look at many of the reporters, that are, quote, working for AZ Central. They're not actually working for the paper. They work for foundations. And the foundations loan those reporters to companies like Gannett and others to do reporting for them and to write articles for them. And if you go to the bottom of the news article, you'll actually see a tagline that says, oh, this report was provided by a journalist paid for by a foundation within this liberal infrastructure network. Can every time we have one of those, is there a way to just track it through AI or something so that we know not, you know, like so that people don't believe what's there? Because it's clearly a bought and paid for it's like an ad. It just, it appears to be a new story, correct?

It pretty much is operating that way. Many of these philanthropic outlets, and a lot of times they have a tagline that they are the reporting on climate justice or whatever. Well, that probably would give it away for our team. Yes. But they'll put the tagline at the bottom and identify that the funding for that particular news article was from some 501C3 Foundation. That's the activity. And so the first is awareness. And the second part of this is that from an Arizona perspective, it just means that we need to be vigilant and make sure that we're doing everything we can from our own perspective to educate and inform voters from the conservative side. And that's the role that we want to play and make sure that everybody is on the same page that. We need to be supporting and do it other than we can to push back on this. Well, I think we're really good at telling people like Arizona Mirror or, with some of these others, one Arizona and Copper Courier, and you mentioned Luce. I don't know about ACE, and we're not talking about ACE hardware. CRISPA, and I think it's, that's great. There was a quote, I just wanted to say, it's your quote, but it's, this is an activism. It's a professional tax-advantaged political operation designed to look local but controlled from afar. Arizona isn't changing. It's being engineered. Conservatives need a clear roadmap, strong counter infrastructure and strategic engagement to protect the state's future and preserve local control. How do we do that, Scott? That's my question. How do we do that? You're 100% right. Mm-hmm. And the two prominent ways are one, the activities that we're seeing that the Trump administration is doing related to the, you know, crackdown through the Department of Justice on funding not just left-wing activity, but violent activity through tax advantage groups, groups that you can receive a tax deduction from. I think that's critically important. The activities you see as far as the investigations into entities like Act Blue. at the national level, and then cutting off the taxpayer funding at the federal level. At the state level here, the two most important things that we can do. One is recognize that we can go out and make sure that we are supporting and backing our own nonprofits that are truly Arizona-based, that are truly Arizona-focused, that aren't this fake AstroTurf. And so, you know, we're proud that we have over 15,000 grassroots activists, real Arizona that support the Arizona Free Enterprise Club here in Arizona and financially contributed to support our type of activities. But we're not the only one. We would encourage everyone to get behind local real groups here in Arizona. We have to make sure that the left has counterweights and that there's counterweight conservative organizations to support. And then secondly, the big one is this idea of Just federal tax dollars supporting this NGO network is only half the story. State governmental entities are giving money to these very same NGOs to fund left-wing activity here in Arizona, whether it be our state government, but also our municipal, our county governments. They also give grants and provide funding.

to liberal NGOs that then turn around and engage in political activity. And that is one of the actions that needs to be cut off. We need to stop sending our tax dollars to fund NGO activity or NGOs that are going around and engaging in political activity, whether it be lobbying, whether it be litigating, whether it be going engaging in political activity at the ballot box, supporting ballot measures, doing get out the vote efforts. Our tax dollars should not be going to NGOs funding that type of activity here in Arizona. Well, unfortunately, Tucson's the blueprint for that. I have a hard news break at the bottom. Can you stay on just a little bit longer or do you have to go? Kathleen, actually, I do have to head to another meeting. Okay. But would love to come back on another time to talk to you about this report and more length. It's absolutely. Scott Musie from Arizona Free Enterprise, thank you so much. And you guys, you need to get this report. You need to support them. We need to take that from 15,000 to 30,000 active people paying attention to this next election. You are listening to Win Tucson on 1030, the voice your trusted local news and talk. We'll be back right after this news break. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to Win Tucson. I'm so sad Scott how to jump off, but I want to continue on what we were talking about. This report is 25 pages. It is small print because the... The amount of money that has been millions and millions and millions of dollars has been funneled here. And it is a, literally, it's a network. It is all on one side. It is not about democracy. It's not about elections. This is a concerted effort. And George Soros, we've heard that name. You know, he, Arabella, advisors, is billionaires who want... a different vision for this country, not one of conservatism, not one of Christians, not one of law and order, or the U.S. Constitution. They're against all of that, and they are funding. And as we, and we've seen, we've seen in Arizona, we've seen, especially in Tucson, just as an aside, tomorrow is a tax. They're not calling it a tax. because they have to get your approval or the voters have to vote. So they're adding in a cost for advertisers here in Tucson. And you should blow up the phones today, not the people, the phones of the city manager's office, because it's his brilliant idea, the mayor and council. Because if you're going to advertise in media, anywhere that you advertise in Tucson, and you're not a national...

advertisers you're you're a local advertiser you now are going to have a higher cost so we're we're penalizing those that want to advertise their businesses here in Tucson why because we don't have enough money because the spicket is being turned off to these liberal organizations they've been funneling money to NGOs here in Tucson With great precision and rapid speed, we saw it during COVID, and there was COVID dollars. We saw it then during this most recent election and prior to that with the illegal immigrants. And all that money went to NGOs here. And now that it's going away, you have a newly elected congresswoman standing up and fighting against ICE agents. She took an oath to uphold the law, uphold the Constitution, and she's fighting against it. So if ever there was an indication, and Scott mentioned it, that... The people that are being elected on the liberal side are not doing it honestly. It's not happening because they're winning over the votes. There's an infrastructure network funded by the liberals. In Scott's report, they tracked over 180 transactions between dozens of groups. And the result of this confusing webinar, it's confusing intentionally. They move money run. That's money laundering. That's exactly what they're doing. It's what criminal enterprises do. And they can show that big pots of money on their design, big pots of money come. And then, as Scott said, it goes out to... other smaller organizations and they keep passing it on and passing it on and passing it on so that those transactions don't raise a lot of red flags but in fact if they go back to the source of the original donor or be well or the person that's paying the money it's a big amount of money and it is It is clear that the intermediary organizations do not strictly flow down and out, but frequently get recirculated amongst the groups within the same network. And so many teachers unions, it won't surprise you who these groups are. Silicon Valley Community Foundation is a massive donor-advised fund hub. That's in California. California for a long time has been trying to influence Arizona. Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund. This is the nation's largest donor, advised fund sponsor, and one of the biggest grant-making charities in America, moving tens of billions of dollars in assets and annual grants. Rockefeller filled Anthropy Advisors. This is New York-based. Did they just elect a communist mayor? Yes, they did. So...

They move hundreds of millions of dollars in grants each year, advising on roughly $500 million in annual giving influence watch describes RPA as the left of center fiscal sponsor. And in 2023, they did over $400 million in grants, all supporting. heavily supporting progressive causes, environmentalism, criminal justice leniency. So people that are carrying out their will are benefiting financially from it. Abortion access, expanded immigration. At a time when the borders were wide open, they were still paying for that. So some of the money that came here for NGOs to help facilitate the illegal immigration through Tucson, you only had to go to the airport to see the results of that when there were more illegal immigrants being flown out of the Tucson International Airport than regular passengers. And, you know, these grants You know, there's been over three million directly to Arizona groups, but that's what they've been able to track. Collectively, between 2022 and 2023, they dumped over a billion dollars into intermediary organizations with millions going directly to Arizona. We have been targeted for a while. We learned this in 2020 when Donald Trump... I'm going to say allegedly, and people are going to get mad, but allegedly lost by 10,000 votes with what we know about our voter rolls right now and what we know is going on here in Tucson, where we are not allowed to have observers at elections. Only county in the state, that lawsuit. is either they're going to fix the EPM before the end of the year or we're going to sue. We're not stopping. We're hoping that they'll correct the language so we can start to have observers like all the other counties in the state of Arizona. And you've got to start to ask why is Pima County different than the rest of the state? Because we're run by the liberal network. You may think it's the people that you elected. But they have been given a mandate by the people that put them into office. Make no mistake about that. I wish it was different. It isn't. And we now have, if you read this report, we now have the proof. And it's millions and millions of dollars.

You need to read it because I think it's so important to see who's doing what. But we've all heard of Lucia, Living United for Change in Arizona. It's a political advocacy campaign. It's the arm of the Arizona Center for Empowerment. It uses lists, volunteers, and infrastructure. Ace develops to run partisan field operations, ballot initiatives. And Lucia is one of Arizona's most visible left-wing activist groups promoting progressive immigration, labor, and social justice agendas while coordinating closely with National Democrat and Labor Networks. Lucia received almost 3 million from intermediaries. That's a lot of money. And if you believe that they're a legitimate organization, and you're on that side you feel good about voting for people that they say they're supporting uh crispa is the league of conservation voters not conservative conservation um and it advances progress progressive climate and social equity agenda And so under the banner of community empowerment, targeting Latino voters with issue campaigns and ballot drives that mirror national democratic priorities. So that money... And there's laws and rules. So if someone is a nonprofit, they are not typically supposed to be involved politically. Lucia is, to be fair, 501C4, which allows political advocacy and campaign. But some of these other organizations, like Mi Familia Vota, is a national Latina advocacy organization with strong Arizona presence. operating alongside its charitable affiliate um and uh Familiar Vote Education Fund, 501C3. So it's framed as a nonpartisan civic engagement group. It runs large-scale voter registration, turnout. There's been a big increase, as we know, in Hispanic voters in Pima County and Tucson. But it collaborates closely. Kind of know an organization by who their friends are with one Arizona, Lucia, and CRISPA, Arizona, and also regularly joins lawsuits. challenging election integrity laws. So even though they pretend to be bipartisan, working through both sides, they typically and have received just over $400 million from intermediaries, but their actions speak louder than their words because their actions they take are against conservative causes. We're going to take a break, and when we come back, I'm going to finish up for the day.

There's turning point going on this week. There's going to be some announcements tomorrow on some new candidates running. So I'll get you set and ready for the week. We're going to have a lot of breaking news this week, and I'm looking forward to bringing it to you. You are listening to Wynne Tucson, and I'm Kathleen Wynn here on 1030 The Voice, the best place to be Monday through Friday from 9 to 11, never dull, and sometimes even entertaining. We are your trusted local news and talk source, so stay with me. And we'll get it done to 11 o'clock. We'll be right back. I think we should just play music, Brendan, from now until 11. If we could get away with it, we would. But we're not going to. So I want everyone to understand. We are about to have Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, as my good friend Steve Munt pointed out, the day after Christmas, and whatever you celebrate this time of year. It is a time to reflect and to be grateful. and to look forward to 2026. And 2026 is where so much information is going to be thrown at the Arizona voters. And you're going to have to discern and you're going to have to figure out what is best and where you vote. And you have to vote. If we don't vote and Arizona becomes like California, everyone can't live in Florida. And Texas is way too humid for the people that live here. So we have to fight to keep this state red and to keep this state conservative and honest. And what we keep exposing is the corruption. And Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs is under active investigation for allegations of bribery, fraud, conspiracy, and racketeering. That's our governor. That's not someone who's doing a good job. That's not someone who's honest. That's someone who's bought and paid for. And she's probably not the only one. And state authorities and legislative leaders are probing her administration financial dealings. There's so many missing dollars out of Katie Hobbs. you know, office, and we know it's millions. It's not just hundreds of thousands. There's one inquiry which came out. This was earlier this year about Hobbs and Arizona Democrats allegedly accepted $400,000 in bribes. Yes, you're not allowed to bribe elected officials. It's not a campaign contribution. It's a bribe if you get something back. It's called quid pro quo. If you give... money to an elected official and they vote a particular way or they give you a contract um that is illegal and sunshine residential homes a state contractor in exchange for directing millions in taxpayer dollars to the company she accepted four hundred thousand dollars in bribes that's not a little deal now it hasn't been proven in a court of law so to be fair uh we just need to know but the um

The Arizona Auditors General is now assisting the Maricopa County investigators following a request from joint legislative audit committee, Alex Chairman Collidan. So, you know, this has been pointed out. This isn't new news. But I want to connect it to what Scott Musie just told us. We have so much evidence. for the funneling of money into Arizona to help facilitate all the crimes that were committed against Arizonans over the last four to five years. And some of it preceded Katie Hobbs, you know, through the COVID period. But what happened when we opened up our borders and allowed drugs and human beings with no limits to come into our country? we are still cleaning up that mess. And it's unconscionable to me that people who are not of our party but are in the other party are continuing to encourage and protect people that are here illegally and that are criminals. Today, I believe it's in Milwaukee. There's a judge who snuck an illegal immigrant out of her courtroom. She's being held accountable. We need to hold people accountable for those that contribute to the illegal activities of the prior administration and to the accepting and the funneling of this money. We know that Kamala Harris went through, I think. I don't know, $1.7 billion in 107 days or let's just say a billion dollars. Where did that money come from from a candidate that wasn't even there? We need to start to ask the hard questions. And then we need to not just ask the questions and have like a cocktail party about it. We need to take concerted coordinated action, which I didn't get to ask Scott about. But I'm confident that with this material, someone will be able to go and investigate it. Hopefully the federal government. Hopefully Pam Bondi with the Attorney General's office or one of her surrogates. I would like to see the U.S. attorney do it here, but I'm not confident. that they would take that case on and we need them. Somebody needs to investigate this. syndicate of millions of dollars that is funneled in because if you think they're not going to try in 2026 to maintain the governor's office the secretary of state and the attorney general's office you're not you're not paying attention every time chris maize files a lawsuit against the trump administration which i think she's done now 13 times she raises money for she's she's got one of the best war chest in the state

Remember, she barely beat Abe Homiday, 200 votes, and they didn't count 6,000 votes. We have to be ready with the best legal arguments in case it goes that far awry. I'm hopeful that people will say, not on our watch. Arizona has to stay red. We have to register voters. We have to get those voters out to vote. It does us no good. We're doing great in registering voters. But if they stay home with their ballots, because it's a midterm, because Donald Trump isn't on the ballot, because, because, because we'll never get where we need to go. And we need to have Arizona thrive again. We were the fourth most prosperous state. And in just three years, we're now 47. That's not a winning record. and when you are corrupt and you do things illegally you it's not even the corruption it's the cover up of the corruption is usually where you get caught and so I hopeful I am hopeful that we start exposing it's one of the reasons you know people go well what difference does observers make it's one of the reasons we have to stand up right now in this moment of time we've got the evidence We talk about it. You've been talking about it for years. I used to live in Maricopa County, and I was heart sick when this got baked into the cake down here. I didn't ever think I'd be in a position to do anything about it, but we have to continue to fight back. This is our state. This is our country, and this is our 250th birthday. So I want you to know that... the way that this government has been run is caused insolvency of multiple Arizona agencies. Agencies operate almost like a small business under the governor, but she bankrupted many of our agencies. And there's shortfalls. And so, you know, and the governor's office has been misleading the legislature. And so that, you know, we're going to have to, I guarantee you this report from Arizona Free Enterprise is going to open up a whole lot of other questions and organizations. The Arizona Auditors General's Office has formally committed to working alongside Maricopa County investigators so that they will see all these financial transactions linked linked to Hobbs administration. Sarah Brown, the chief advisor to Governor Hobbs, abruptly resigned amid the growing scandal. And those are called scapegoats. Ali Bones left, you know, working in the governor's office and moved to California. So the corruption at the top is not how you run a government.

They said that they've been, you know, in response to allegations, Hobbs' office has denied any wrongdoing. Of course, that's what you have to do. You have to deny it and you have approved out in a court of law. That's our system. But the current probe appears to be escalating with additional financial records being reviewed. I think it's important that we understand that Katie Hobbs is going to have a lot to answer for during her election. I like that she's not being primaried. because we have a primary on the Republican side, David Schweikard, Karen Taylor-Ropes, and Andy Biggs. And I am hopeful that whoever we elect as Republicans will be a thousand times better than our current governor. Adrian Fontes has a lot to answer for. I really, really hope he puts our two sentences into his EPM. it would be the easiest fix for him because he's going to be under scrutiny because he has fought against us to have fair and free elections. And finally, Chris Mays. I worked in that office. Whatever she has prioritized is not in the best interest of the state of Arizona. She's been a political hack. And she is exactly where George Soros has focused his money, his attention, is in the legal system. He has bought and paid for prosecutors, all county attorneys, all over the country. I wish we were an original so we could just say don't do this here, but we fought against him for a very, very long time. And we really do need to have an attorney general who wants to uphold the law, not attack the sitting president to get money for her campaign, which is exactly what it is. It's not more complicated than that. But that's what's representing us currently in the state. We need to take the governorship, the secretary of state. We need to retain the treasurer's office. We need to take the Attorney General's office. We need to retain the superintendent of public instructions office. That should all be read. But most importantly, we have a legislature that cannot, cannot.

stay in conservative hands. So as the week goes on, we're going to be introducing you to candidates. There's going to be some congressional news tomorrow, some new candidates running. So I ask you to stay with me. And we're going to have a busy week trying to watch Wednesday and turning points in town. So there'll be a lot of great guests calling in. So go out and make it a great day. It's going to be 75, beautiful sunny Arizona. And we'll be back tomorrow. So stay tuned and know that there's some great surprises coming tomorrow. You are listening to 1030 The Voice, your trusted, local news and talk. Thanks for listening to Win Tucson. I'm Kathleen Wynn. Please go out and have a wonderful, wonderful day.