The Rod and Greg Show: Florida Stops Mandated Vaccinations; Federal Judges Criticize Supreme Court

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this comment a member of the u.s senate said about america and our god-given rights and the great response that Ted Cruz gave to this senator you we'll play that a little bit later on but hang on to your hats folk you'll just shake your head on this we elected this guy and he said he would uphold the constitution governor of virginia prior and for him to not understand the inherent rights that we have being from virginia of all places i mean you can't you can't throw a dead cat and not hit something that's you know thomas jefferson my goodness what are they crazy yeah well they are they are so we'll we'll get into that one we'll talk about transgenderism this article today in nbcc news about how some little federal judges apparently have had their feelings heard because the supreme court has slapped them on the side of the head and said wake up You know, it's 12 anonymous judges on condition of anonymity. I'll tell you who they are. The last 12 judges that the Supreme Court said you're crazy. Yeah. We're not going to do what you're trying to create out of thin air. That's the ones that are talking to NBC and crying right now. Yeah. Steve Moore will join us, economist. He'll talk about the economy and where things are headed. So we've got a jam-pack show for you today. We invite you to be a part of it. 888-57080-10 on your cell phone, dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or on our talkback lane. Leave us comment. If we get to it, we'll share it with our great audience that we have now. Story of the day, though, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.., going before a Senate committee. This was, this was rock and roll, baby. It was. It was. You know, this guy, this, say what you want about the Kennedys, man, they've always been, you know, they've always been, you know, they're tough. And they're usually Democrats driving us crazy. But Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. boy, he cares so deeply and passionately about the health of Americans. And in this space, you don't have to be a Republican or Democrat. We all really do care about genuine. health of our family of ourselves and there is something going on in this country that's wrong we all can feel it we all see it he's put a voice to it and as a team of rivals would president trump brought him on as a cabinet member for health and human services but the democrats boy they they really go after him with vim and vigor oh he was attacked today for his questioning of vaccines Florida, by the way, big announcement by Florida yesterday. They were going to ban vaccine mandates. We'll get into that in the 5 o'clock hour because I'd love to, we'd love to get your reaction to that. They went after him or that. They went after him, Greg, for changing the CDC. And he had a great comment. He said, we are the sickest country in the world. Isn't that? Unbelievable. So what is the CDC doing anything? Are they doing anything about it? Nothing's been done. And he says it's time for change. Yeah, we've been under their regime for 100 years. I'm telling you, we have nothing good to show for it. When you saw what they did, where they coordinated with the teachers' unions on policies for kids going to school, which had nothing to do with health. Nothing at all. This was political power. They lost credibility. When they said you can, you can't go visit your family or go to church or do anything, but you can go to a Black Lives Lives Matter rally. Protest, yeah. And protest. You can do that all day.

You know, that's where I think CDC, it's time to have some new voices and some new eyes looking at all this. And he is just rattling Washington. And this is what he said during the hearing today where he was asked about vaccines and medicine. You know, I say I'm not anti-vaccine. Saying I'm anti-vaccines like saying I'm anti-medicine. Well, I'm pro-medicine, but I understand some medicines harm people. Some of them have risks. Some of them have benefits that outweigh those risks for certain populations, and the same as true with vaccines. And we don't understand the risk profile because vaccines are the only medical intervention, medical device, or pharmaceutical drug. that are exempt from pre-licensing safety studies. You know, Greg, I heard, you know what I heard in that comment from Robert F. Kennedy Jr..? Common sense. Yeah. It says, I'm against vaccine. It says I'm against medicine. I'm not against medicine. Oh, it's common sense. He's raising questions. Yes. Wow. Imagine that. Isn't that a terrible thing to do to raise questions? So on CNN, Republican Senator, Senator Markwayne Mullin, I think from Oklahoma. Went on CNN, braved it over there. After the hearing, right? After the hearing, yeah. With one of the cynical, what's her name, Casey Hunt? Yeah. So he's trying to talk her through what she just saw because she didn't understand any of it. She's with the, she's a regime media. She's just ready to just parrot whatever the Democrats tell her to say. So here's a comment from the good senator. Why are we the sickest nation in the world? Casey, we should be asking that question. What is wrong with saying, okay, if in 1950, we're at 3% chronic illness, today we're at 76, in 1950, or in 1950, we're one of the healthiest nations, today we're the sickest nation in the world. Where has CDC succeeded? Because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results. What Bobby is doing, or Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is doing is he's going in there and he's questioning things and, hey, we need to look at every aspect. There isn't anything that should be unlooked at. Just because it's science and we think it's proven science, science is always changing. Why are we the sick? Yeah. There is no such thing as settled science. Science is the continuing look, questioning, testing of anything and everything. There isn't anything settled. As I understand, the scientific method is one that continues to go forward. It evolves, yeah. So I think he's saying that why would you ever get mad at Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for asking questions that have been ignored, overlooked before, that are begging to be asked and answered because we have a lot out there by way of health and statistics and what we're all living through. that deserve answers. And Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s asking him, you know, heaven forbid.

Yeah. And, you know, every one of those senators, I'd love to know how much money they've gotten from Big Pharma for campaign contributions. He brought that up with Bernie Sanders. And Elizabeth Warren. I think he said Warren has received like $836,836,000 in contributions from Big Pharma. So he's stirring things up. And I absolutely love Greg. Now, here's my concern. Of course, you've got these weak-need Republicans. Babe, did you see that Moto Casino is giving a $1,776,000 worth of prizes? That's why they're called America's Social Casino, celebrating the birth of America bigger than anyone else. You can win incredible experiences at NASCAR and F1 races and a grand prize of $1 million sweeps coins. So what are you waiting for? Spin now on Moto Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino, Social Casino, where prohibited, no purchase necessary, visit moto.como. out there. And there is a story out this afternoon that there are some Republicans who are a little, well, they're discontent. They are not happy with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. Kendi, Jr. I'm talking about John Barrasso from Wyoming. Jeez. Thom Tillis from North Carolina. We don't care. He's on his way out. And, you know, they're all saying, you know, we're a little worried about. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. Kendi, he stood his ground, he fought like his father did, and I think he just did a great job. Yeah, I have nothing but a honest eye for someone that's questioning him asking good questions and giving us some answers on things we've never heard before, which I appreciate also. All right, we've got a lot to get to. It's great to be with you on this Thursday afternoon. It is the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. Coming up at the bottom of the hour. We're going to get legal analysis of the story today in NBC News, in which they, apparently, what was it, about a dozen federal judges who spoke anonymously, right, are criticizing how the Supreme Court is handling cases involving President Trump. They're critical. Their whining is what they're doing because they're losing almost every case. And these judges who wouldn't go on record but did want to criticize them and we'll get some reaction to that because I've never seen a story like that before, Greg. No one will ever convince me that those anonymous judges are the judges that got overruled. I'm telling you, that's who they went and talked to. And they gave off the record answers. But that's who they're talking to because and the reason they complained that those decisions were so curt and so. you know, without explanation. The explanation is, are you kidding me? Yeah. If you wanted more explanation, you wouldn't like what they had to say, I think. Yeah. And I think, what was it? There were 12 of them who were questioned. One was a Republican appointed, Judge. Is that correct? That's right. The other is appointed by Democrats, so that's not surprising. And we'll get some analysis of that. I've never seen a story like this. No. You know, it's not a good sign. And it is not a good sign. And I think what, what. This is just another step as to what the Democrats want to do if they get in charge, Greg. They're going to try and pack the court. They want to take it from 9 to 13. And, you know, this is just another step in their effort. The media is helping them out. NBC, surprise, surprise, helping them out and saying, you know what, we need more judges. That's what they're trying to do. Set the stage for it. Yeah, yeah, we'll get, we'll get reaction to that. Now, one thing, you know, let's bring up what happened today.

That this, because he was, he notes, and this is important. He's not just a senator from Virginia, okay? And I, we, he was the governor of Virginia. And Virginia is rich in its history of who? Thomas Jefferson. James Madison. James Madison. I mean, to not know that the history of the foundational principles of this country, that our rights come from our creator, that they are inalienable, they cannot be taken from government, government can protect them. And the day they stop. We don't stop having those rights. We have a government that's trying to deprive us of those rights. They were not given to us by government. They were ours. We were by God. If he can say, I don't agree with that. I don't actually think that's the case. I think the laws that we made here in the Senate gave you every right you have, and that's the way I feel. He can say that. Yeah. But for him to liken what Thomas Jefferson's written, what our founding fathers have talked about, the very premise of our form of government. And to liken it to Iran. To the Ayatollah? Really? He's insane. Yeah. What an important time to have for Utah Constitution Month. Yeah. I mean, time to talk about the founding fathers and our founding documents and how important God is, our creator is in this land. In the rights that we have. And the sovereignty of this nation is found in its people, not in a king, not in a Senate, not in a governor, not in a president. It's found in the people collectively. I just, for him to say that, I always come to this show with some dumb thing that Democrats say. This one might take the cake because he's a U.S. Senator and he was the former governor of Virginia of all places to be this ignorant about the founding of this nation. But I got to tell you, the, we should make a, we should make a segment, a daily segment, a dumb things Democrats say. Because I'm telling you, it's. Legion. Didn't he raise his right hand said he would hold the Constitution of the United States? Is that part of it? Yeah, there's a there's an oath out there somewhere that he doesn't really understand. Wow, pretty amazing. All right, we've got a lot more to get to today on a very busy Thursday right here on the Rod and Greg show in Utah's Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS. He was going to have a real challenge with the Democrats. He's suspect that with the deep state, right? But the challenge he's facing with the judiciary branch of government, absolutely amazing. I mean, every time the guy tries to do something, some whack job of a judge says, no, you can't do that. Who knew that you weren't, the executive branch wasn't allowed to decide whether a university gets funding or whether USAID? It's just been, it has just been, I just think, just madness, really. And then comes along this story today, NBC News, writing this story today that federal judges are criticizing the Supreme Court because oftentimes they rule in favor of Donald J. Trump. I've never seen a story like this. It's pretty, I think it undermines the courts big time. And we haven't seen this before. Joining us on the program to talk about this, John O'Connor, he's a author, legal analyst. Mr. O'Connor, thank you for joining us on The Roder and Greg Show. Yeah, good to be with you. You've raised some very important issues here, haven't you? Well, let me ask you, John, what do you make of this story to begin with? I've never seen a story like this where 12 judges, federal judges, agree to speak anonymously and criticize the Supreme Court. Well, you talk about a violation of...

of ethics and of the normal proprietary, the normal traditions. Everyone talks about Trump breaking traditions and things like that. What kind of conduct is this? The judges are not supposed to do that. Of all people, they're the ones that are supposed to keep all of us from doing that sort of thing. And yet they're doing it. So what do you say? They're complaining that these are short judgments that doesn't give them much context. I think Scotis was trying to be a little polite to them saying that we don't want to really deride you or really mock you for your insane ruling, so they give a very short one. But they're saying that the Supreme Court's decisions, many of them, are too short. They don't give them enough context. What do you say about that? No, I mean, I think they get the clue. When you get overruled, you ought to take a clue. They know what's up. You know, guess what? You make a decision, a short opinion from the Supreme Court says, you're wrong. Look at what the losers said, and maybe they were right. That's all you need to do. It really is not, doesn't take a genius. I mean, I've been practicing law for 53 years. And, you know, usually when you get overruled with a judge that's overruled, you know what the right answer is. It's the one that was argued by counsel that lost. So it's not hard. And what happened is, as I see it, this whole thing started with Watergate, and it didn't turn immediately. But at that point, and the protest against the Vietnam War, and it was sort of my generation that started this. And everyone thought it was really cool to be liberal and be in favor of everything left and civil rights and all this. And finally... People like in my generation became the professors, they went into government, and they've been followed by other people who think that's the only way to be. And they're sort of a conformity of thinking out there. And it's mainly comes from the East Coast and from the more prestigious universities. And it's something that has been unexamined, and anyone who cries against it is crying in the wilderness. And it really is silly, and brilliant people can write critiques of the way things are being thought about. But then you've got a media that doesn't publicize those things. You don't get some, a book like that doesn't get reviewed by the New York Times book review and so forth and so on. So it's a vicious cycle we face. And, you know, especially disturbing to me.

is this whole idea of the judge's stifling executive power. There are three branches start government, and they're stifling things that are really in the legitimate domain of the executive, and especially when it comes to national security, which is the pure domain of the executive. And any time he says those words, that ought to be enough. Yeah. But they don't do that. No. So this is very much serious constitutional stuff. And meanwhile, they're sniffing that, you know, basically the Supreme Court is just not hewing to the traditional lefty line. Yeah. John, what do you make of the fact that they say every time we make these rulings or some of us have made these rulings and then all of a sudden we're under attack from MAGA, our lives are being threatened. As I recall, I don't remember them saying anything when Brett Kavanaugh's life was threatened. Do you, John? Well, I get a better one. Sure. Brett Kavanaugh's life was threatened. The fellow Jeff Flake from Arizona was pinned against the wall for not to give a day's extension in that. And remember when the Supreme Court had the Obamacare decision. They threatened the heck out of John Roberts who wilted. Yes. You know, but everybody was making Patrick Leahy, Obama. They made direct threats to the Supreme Court. And then John Roberts wilted. He was afraid that, you know, he couldn't take the heat. And so he upheld Obamacare, even though he, everyone knew that he thought differently. And he's a real straight down the arrow, middle straight arrow guy. He's a smart guy. He's not... overly conservative he's not overly liberal but he knew that this was the right call was to overturn obamacare and he couldn't do it so you know that's that's what we've got here we've got one side that threatens people now here it is they're not getting their way and guess what happens When the abortion decision came down, what happened? Oh, somebody leaked it. Why did they leak it? I think probably at the behest of one of the judges. The reason they haven't found the leakers because I think there's a judge that's protecting the leaker. But the whole idea of that was to get public pressure on the guy who had, I suspect it was somebody like Brett Kavanaugh that had just decided to. Moto Casino is pure American energy. Born in the USA and with the same 1776 spirit that built this country. Moto, America's Social Casino, is celebrating that freedom with a 1 million sweeps coin prize giveaway. One lucky American is going to win 1 million sweeps coins. So what are you waiting for? Spin now on Moto Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino. We're prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit moto.us for more details.

But, you know, to go all the way. I mean, the real issue there wasn't upholding the Dobbs law. It was the idea of completely getting rid of Roe v. Wade versus leaving. the three-month and under question for another court. And once, I don't know who it was, you know that you can uphold the Dobbs law, but still leave open the question of whether a three-month, whether you still have a right to an abortion within three months. Once the guy turned against that three-month concept, then all hell broke loose. So once again, the whole idea is to bring pressure on the judges, you know, and so... So when these judges are yelling about this, they're the ones that have been doing this. They're the ones that have been doing this. So it's really unfortunate. It's unfortunate because they're not acting as good judges when they do this. John, I appreciate your thoughts and your comments on this. Thank you for joining us for a few minutes today. Great talking to you. Thank you. On our newsmaker line, John O'Connor, an author, legal analyst talking about this story today in NBC News, where a dozen federal judges, very upset with the Supreme Court for not upholding their rulings. We've got some breaking news coming out of Washington tonight. We'll tell you what it is. Coming up next here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. Now, I know occasionally, Mr. Hughes, you tend to make fun of us. More seasoned individuals. You boomers, they're ruining us. Yeah. Yeah. You like make fun of us, right? Yes. Well, I'm not going to play this because there's no audio to hear this. But there's a story coming out of Florida. A 76-year-old man helped police. There was a 15-year-old kid in a grocery store who shoplifted. Okay. Police caught him, and he took off running. Okay, he takes off running down the aisles. There is a 76-year-old man in one of those aisles. He nailed them. He tackled him and sat on him until the cops could catch up to him. Nice. So go ahead and make fun of older people. All you want, but let me tell you what, we still got it. Can he still, can he drive? I don't know if he can drive. I bet you can't drive. I don't know. He can tackle a 15-year-old. Speaking of that, we were talking about older drivers the other day. Yes. It was revealed today that GM is developing some sort of technology. to help older drivers determine whether or not they should continue driving. I don't know what the technology is, but they're thinking about it. Here's how cynical I am. Here's how, really. GM's going to say every older person can drive, so they'll buy more cars. They're going to say, yeah, we certify you to spend another 50, 60,000 on another car. You're fine. Don't let anyone tell you different. The technology in new cars. We'll confuse anybody. I just got a new one for my wife. I think it fixes in almost everywhere now. I'm just so just, I just have a jaundiced eye towards a lot of big, big business. You know, I'm a free market guy, but big corporations, they're enemies to the little guy. This will, this one will royally tick you off. You're ready for this? Okay. England is about to ban energy drink sales.

To anyone under 16. Under 16? I'm okay with that. And the target is Red Bull. Well, they better find some different targets. Where's your can today? I don't see your big tall can of Red Bull today. I know. I usually load up while I was running late. So I couldn't stop. I had to come from far away, so I had to keep going. So are you surviving without your Red Bull today? I've had a couple yawns. I won't lie. But, yeah, no, I'm okay, but they should not disparage Red Bull. That is nectar from above. Yeah. That's what that is. Yeah. Well, health experts, teacher unions, and Dennis welcome the ban in the U.K. say it would boost children and young people's health. It fulfills a pledge. that the Labor Party made, including a manifesto for last year's general election, but England to ban energy drink sales to anyone under 16. High octane energy drinks totally kills COVID. That's what I did. I just kept drinking red bulls and rains and everything until I killed it. All right. We want to hear from you coming up at 5 o'clock hour, Florida banning vaccine mandates. Yes. What say you? We'll hear from you coming up next. Bit of a surprise. We'll sign an executive order tomorrow to change the Department of Defense's name to the Department of War. Perfect. You know who we are, pal. Everyone, you want to mess around Venezuela? Go ahead. You and your cartels keep sending stuff over. We're the Department of War. Yeah. We're ready. Well, the shift, you know, I just think it's the part of the Trump administration's efforts to tell the rest of the world, don't mess with us. Yeah, and I guess some news came out last night that Iran, there was some intelligence that was made public that Iran really did have. We're nearing nuclear capability. Really? I didn't see that, really. So there was some, see, everyone that was mad or thought that Trump was jumping in the gun. Some of the stuff that came out confirmed that it was the right time and the right move. Wow. Wow. I think America's in charge right now. I think it's being the lone superpower is great again. Yeah. Yep. And Venzuela drug dealers, don't take a boat anyway. Yeah. I don't know. No, I'd actually go ahead and try that. Yeah, go ahead and try it again. Yeah, and you'll find out. Our technology is pretty good. We can blow you up just a second. I love that Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. Interdiction doesn't work. We're done doing it. But if you blow them up, it works. It works. Interdiction doesn't. But blowing them up works. It pays off. Well, we were talking earlier, the story of the day today, and you'll hear this and watch this on the news tonight, is the grilling that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. got today before a Senate panel. The argument was his changes he's making to the CDC and his thoughts on vaccines. Well, yesterday, big announcement.

Florida announced major news. The Surgeon General of the state of Florida announced that all vaccine mandates in Florida will end. And I guess he did this from an audience, and the audience erupted very supportive of this, this a portion of what he had to say. Ten hours on my feet, traffic, noise, everybody needs something for me. My head is spinning. I just need the world to stop for one second. But then I get home, shoes off, phone out, and I open Modo Casino. Hundreds of slots. Classic table games. It's my instant reset. The variety I want and the quiet I need. Moto Casinos, the social casino board were prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit motto.us for more details. Download the Moto Casino app today. Must be 21 plus. America Social Casino. Who am I as a government or anyone else or who am I as a man standing here now to tell you what you should put in your body? Who am I to tell you what your child should put in your body? I don't have that right. Your body, your body is a gift from God. What you put into your body, what you put into your body is because of your relationship with your body and your God. That's a Florida surgeon general. Now, here in a second, we'll let you hear a comment from Juan to Santis. But, Greg, I was talking with my wife about this today. I said, would you want more impact or more info and more responsibility for the vaccines that your children get? She said, yeah, I think every parent would like that. I look, I miss, so yes, I am, I'm in that camp too. My kids are adults now, but there was this, I didn't even question when we were, when there was a vaccine schedule and we had newborns, but I will go back to. uh you need parents need to be fully informed i don't know that there needs to be a vaccine uh mandated schedule of vaccines that you should take but i think parents should be given as much information and track record and what those vaccines are supposed to do and how long they're supposed to it it's been news to me within just months that some of those vaccines are only meant to vaccinate a newborn just for um it's first for the first year or so um you you you can weigh some of those things and decide whether you want to pump 50 to 60 to 70 different vaccines into your child in the first, you know, 36 months of their lives. And I think those decisions need to be better understood by parents. Yeah. I will say that the three I got, I mean, we don't have smallpox around. No. You know, we have, you know, there's some things, there are some diseases that have been eradicated. I would argue from effective vaccines. But if I, if I can walk around here with three.

then I think the coast is clear. I don't think you need 56 or 70 or whatever the memories. Not how many they get nowadays? Yes, it is that high. It is that. I wish, when I ran in 2020 for government. And where are you getting this information? I've heard you say this before. Yes, it's everywhere. But I first came across it in 2020 when I was running for governor in a town hall meeting. And there was a physician. This is actually in Summit County in Park City. And he was a physician. And he was describing his concern as a doctor. on how many? And I said, excuse me, what was that number again? Uh-huh. And he said it was, if you take from the time they're born for the first 36 months of their life, the number is up to 56, it's 7. I want to say it's 70 or more vaccines. And you just don't need it. Some of them are things like chicken pox. Well, just get chicken pox. Yeah. I mean, you're not going to die from chicken pox. I don't think. Yeah. You know, I think that that's, I mean, there are things that we got as kids that you didn't die from. I just don't know pumping all these vaccines. There was an important testimony from Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. that they did a test of kids in Fulton County. Yes. And it was in 2002. And those kids that got this MMRA vaccine, some vaccine went when they were newborn versus getting it in 36 months old, three years old. The children that got it as newborns had a 260% more likely chance of being diagnosed with autism. 260% more by beginning and and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in this testimony today said that the the the scientist the doctor and the scientists who discovered this did this test and they did they put they did a they authored a study on it uh within the cdc the person in charge of these diseases one of their their bosses brought them in and they destroyed that evident that that that that study and they did not release that study to the public was this the Satanist guy no far from the CDC he's a guy that for seven months has not been giving him any of the safety information or lack of what's what's been the cause what's been the consequence to the vaccine seven months he's been slow baking that would not give it to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that's the the Satanist the gay guy that likes the uh wild parties we can't talk about on family radio no we can't supposedly is a credible doctor well following this big announcement yesterday governor Ron DeSantis the governor of florida was on laura ingram and he talked more about what they were going to do right now in this country You go in for a surgery. Some places won't see you if you haven't had the COVID shot or certain immunizations. Some pediatricians discriminate based on whether you've done hepatitis B or not. And that's not informed consent. When there are coercive impacts, when they're trying to coerce choices and there's negative impacts, then that undermines your ability to choose. So I think it's typical everything we did during COVID, they screen bloody murder on all of it. The reality is we've always been for informed consent. Yeah, you know, I wonder, Greg, moms, when they take their young kids in to get these shots, these facts, how many moms raised questions or ask doctors about what they are, what the side effects are? And, you know, here's what I'm thinking. I mean, I agree with what Florida is doing. I would like to see Utah go along with it. I mean, Utah's being a leader in fluoride.

Let's now be a leader when it comes to vaccines. That's right. Have the guts to do it and be a leader. But somehow, you know, a parent should go in and say, okay, doctor, what do you recommend for my child and what impact is it going to have? Why do they have to have that vaccine? I think transparency. is the way around this. But I don't know if there's much transparency that goes on right now. And when a young child goes in for the next series of shots they have to have. So, and there's some scary things that were just mentioned there that you can be coerced into that decision because you just need some basic care that you're not going to receive if you don't agree to certain things. Yes. On a different issue, not related to vaccines, but to medical care. I knew a woman and she wasn't politically affiliated. She wasn't strongly left of center, right of center, just somebody who, a smart woman who had a baby and the hospital she was at had this incredibly invasive in terms of her privacy questionnaire about her pregnancy. how you know the circumstances surrounding her pregnancy yeah the questions were really personal and they were she was really really uncomfortable answering it so she wants she declined and she's and remember this is in the days just the hours a day after you have a baby and there's all these emotions that go on when someone has a baby and they said well we're not going to print we're not going to issue a birth certificate until you fill it out And she said, so I have to fill it out if you want a birth certificate for your child? Yes, you have to. And they're making, they're asking that mother to make those decisions, answer those questions at a time that she just gave birth. And, you know, anyway, it's wrong. It takes time to recover. And as that was, so that came up when I was a lawmaker. And I remember us exploring and asking Department of Health and everybody else, how can you hold something like that over, they're not supposed to. Yeah. But they wordsmith that around to somehow say that the mother has consented by, oh, well, she won the birth certificate so she consented. I don't know what. But I'm just saying that the medical community will use some of those circumstances to compel behavior. So it is important to protect parental rights to decide whether they want to do it or not. The one thing I worry about is like I think you need to be fully informed. But you've got to trust the source, A. You may have a doctor or someone that thinks that you should. So how they present the information to you may be colored or, you know, jaded. And then the other thing is, how much do we know about it? If I were a parent and starting all over again, I would want to know how long babies have been in this. If you give me a vaccine that's been being given to newborns since 1965, since 1950, I'm probably feeling different about it than one that was just introduced, you know, five years ago. I might not want that. Don't have enough research on it. I might want to say, I don't know. If everyone that was prior to 2020 still walking around, we're pretty good, I don't know that we need that. Yeah, yeah. I don't, you know, I would probably go by how long these vaccines have actually stood the test of time and we're not seeing any kind of backlash from it. And I don't know that that's the case with all the vaccines these babies are getting right now. We have something going on in this country like this autism issue that JFK, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. brought up today.

It is real. It is something. It's not that we're just better at diagnosing it. It's ridiculous to suggest that's what's happened. There's something going on. that's that we're seeing these children impacted at such a high high rate nowadays and why so many vaccines like the doctor told you at your town hall meeting what 50 to 70 vaccines i mean are there that many out there i mean i got maybe three four maybe five as i i can recall as a young child you know and so i i think we should ask the audience tonight we have a very involved audience a very you know they are looking out for their families and their kids Should Utah look at the possibility of allowing parents to make that decision not being told they have to have it? Yes. Should we be able to do that? Let's go to you. What say you? Again, if some of them, if you don't want kids to get measles and you don't want to get the vaccine, all of a sudden you get a measles breakout, maybe you wish that all the parents would have. I think the three I got, because I'm still here, maybe I'm biased, but I think that everyone seemed to be okay. I don't see that the numbers that we're doing now, it seems to be. wrongheaded to me, especially when we see that we're not a healthier country at the end of the day. Here in Utah, should we ban vaccine mandates? Like to hear from you. 888-57080101. On your cell phone, dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or leave us a comment on our talkback line. We'll get to your calls and comments coming up right here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's talk radio 1059 KNRS. Ending all vaccine mandates statewide, the first state in the country. country to do something like this. We're getting your reaction to it. Should Utah do something like this? 888-5708010. Cell phone, file pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or leave us a message on our talkback line. Okay, let's go to our great listeners who are calling in, giving us their take on all this. Let's go to Brett and Salt Lake City. Brett, thank you for holding welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Yes. Thank you for taking my call. I'm in favor of abolishing the mandate for vaccines. I lost a child about 40 years ago. And at that time, it was due to SIDS. At that time, and this was told to us by the hospital. that studies suggested that most since deaths happened within two to five days of receiving a vaccine. My kids, I had to fight the schools left and right to keep them from getting vaccinated until they were older.

And thankfully, even though there's a four times higher chance of having another child with SIDS, we didn't lose any. But my kids were not vaccinated until they were seven to nine. Wow. And this study was cited by the hospital staff. in a meeting of Sid's parents at the time. I've since looked up, tried to find the information on it, and it just kind of seems to have disappeared. Oh, that's interesting. But they were reporting at that time that there was... Like I said, most of his deaths were within three to five days after vaccination. Wow. All right, Brad, thank you. We appreciate that time. Even that time span, that's what Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. talked about today about, at time of birth versus 36 months of those three years of age, your chances of dropped like a rock in terms of diagnosis of autism if you did it at three years old. So that time does look like it makes a big difference. Let's go back. Let's go to Paul in Salem. Paul, welcome to the Rod and Greg show. Todd, what do you think about these vaccines and its mandates? Should we have mandates for vaccines? Well, my concern is they give three to four vaccines at the same time in one visit, and they'll maybe just give two shots, maybe one shot in each leg. But each vaccine will have two or three different combinations. Yeah. And then they say immunized by two. which has kind of been the way it's always been, but it seems like the kids are immunized by 15 months to a year and a half now. So those are my kind of concerns. And the new ones too. I mean, there's a new one called the, I can't remember what it's called, but it's like it's for females and it's a cancer virus. Yes, I've heard this. Two of three my girls have had that and I'm kind of concerned on that one because it's only been out for. you know, five, six, seven years. Yeah. All right, Paul. Thank you. Yeah, it's, you know, I've heard the controversy on that one as well. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. We're going to a break right now. We've got a lot of people who want to weigh in on this tonight. So our callers right now, we ask you to hang on and we'll get to mirror your calls and comments on this just joining us. Should Utah join Florida in banning? vaccine mandates. That's what they've done in Florida. Should Utah join Florida in doing so? 888-5708010. Leave us a talkback message as well, or give us a call. Dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod. More of your calls and comments coming up on the Rod and Greg show. An announcement made in the state of Florida yesterday by that state surgeon general and followed up by Governor Ron DeSantis that Florida is moving in the direction of banning vaccine mandates. These are required. If you want to get into a hospital, maybe even into school, you have to have proof that you've had these vaccines. Florida wants to do away with it, saying it's really up to mom and dad and the individual to make that decision. Should we have a similar ban here in the state of Utah?

Your thoughts on this, 888-5708010 or on your cell phone, dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or leave us a talkback line. Just download the KNS app and make sure you bring up KNRS, or the IHart Radio app, I should say, and bring up KNRS. All right, let's go to the phones, Greg. Okay, let's go to Noel, who's been in Syracuse, who's been patiently waiting. Welcome to the Ron and Greg Show. Thank you. Thanks for taking my call. I like to listen to you guys most nights. And today, as I was listening to you, my blood pressure is going up. Uh-oh. And I'm just doing my heart rate's going up. I think you're totally out-faced with this. And Greg, especially you are showing your ignorance on this topic. Oh, do you tell. Wow. Tell me how. Okay. So I'm not sure where you're getting this whole 70-something vaccine done. I'm a pediatrician, so I do this every day. There are, as far as injections go, up to age five, there are a total of 15 shots using various combinations. If you split out those combinations, a total of 43 vaccines that are given. You said nobody's died from chicken pox. I have personally seen a child die from complications from chicken pox. So it's out there. Before the chickenpox vaccine came out in 1996 in the United States, there were 5,000 deaths per year. in the U.S. due to complications from chickenpox. So I think it's okay. I love you guys. I've put that information. However, it's your information correct. Well, let me, can I, I have a question for you, first of all. How, when a mother comes in with a child and child needs some vaccines, how transparent are you with that parent saying, this is what we're doing, this is what we're giving, this is why we think it's important to take? Does that transparency exist today? John Daly here. You know what day it is? Neither do I. I live life daily. That's why I only spend on Modo Casino. Modo's got daily free bonuses, daily tournaments, new slots out of daily. And the best part, guaranteed daily jackpots. You can't beat that. So today's the day you're gripping and spend it with me on Modo. America's Social Casino. Play for free on moto.com.

It does in my office. I can't speak for other physicians because I'm not in their office, but I do. I spend the time and I will talk with them. I say, this is what this vaccine is for and this is trying to prevent. And these are risks associated with and I tell them. And people are coming out with all kinds of other information that is just not true. And have parents, yeah. And as a physician, you explain this to a parent. Have parents said no? I don't want this for my child? Yes. Okay. Okay. You had a follow-up question. Dr. Real quick, because you're a pediatrician, so I trust the source, and you listen to the show, so you're wicked smart. I get it. So I count polio, the rebella vaccine, measles and mumps vaccines, three in 1969 when I got mine. You said 42. 42 is more than three. Some of these vaccines that you give, and you mentioned this, that there's six and one, six vaccines in one shot, you know, at birth, 18 months, 24 months, or however it works. My question is, A, how am I walking around right now more at risk than those kids getting 42 vaccines? And that's my first question. But the second one would be, do you see something happening with our young people where the autism is being diagnosed at such a high rate? There seems to be something wrong, doctor. So if 42 vaccines, they're all fine, and we only had three growing up, what's the difference? I mean, why do we need to have so many of these vaccines now that we didn't have a while ago? Okay, so a couple of points of clarification. First of all, the 43 vaccines that I counted up are like repeats. Okay, so for example, diphteritis and pertussis. I counted, if you want those separated out, because actually altogether, it's like, oh, shoot, I'll ask my count like 22 or something like that, okay? But I said, okay, for the sake of our reason, I'll give you guys your points, more vaccines. I counted diphtheria, tetanus, even though it's given in a combination five times. So that's 15 right there. Yes. Okay. So it's the same vaccine given total of five times throughout the kids life before they're going to school. Okay. So that's where I got the 43. Otherwise, it's 20-something. Okay. And as far as injections, by the time there are two, 13 different shots, and by the time, there's 5, 15 different injections with three oral, and that completes the whole vaccine series. So in answer to your other question, why are you fine? Well, maybe you got lucky because, I'll tell you, if you go back 100 years ago before we were immunizing, the child mortality rate was about 1 in 5. Okay. And I looked at my own family history and found that to be true too, and I challenged anybody else to go back and do that. Look at your grandparents and their kids and stuff and see at the turn of the century what the mortality rate was and how many children died. So the other part of your question. I'm sorry. I know I packed you with a bunch of questions. We just see something going on, especially with the frequency of autism. I mean, something's happening out there. And it makes you wonder. I understand that. Something's happening. But the connection with vaccines, that was first introduced about 1999 or 2000 and has been looked at seven ways from Sunday since then. And there is no, there is no causation. Okay. And you got to understand with this, the caller you had earlier, we've talked about his child dying from SIDS. And I, having lost a child myself, I understand. I understand the pain and my heart goes out to him. But you got to understand.

correlation is not causation. All right. Thank you. Thank you. And I know you had the break, but I just, I'd love for him to review the Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. testimony today because he cites from 2002 a study on this and it's correlation, not just causation with the vaccines with the diagnosis of autism. And so I'd love for him to see that and even email us back what his thoughts are. Appreciate his phone call. Let's go back to the phones. Teresa is in Layton tonight and wants to weigh in on this. Hi, Teresa. Hi, how are you? We're well, thank you. Your thoughts. Good. Good. The main thing is that until manufacturers are given liability for any adverse events, then it should be up to parents to make that choice. with the risks that are available until there's availability for something that that happens from any vaccine, then that should be done. And if they put, like the other caller said, six vaccines, eight vaccines and one visit, there's only you can't, you're able to determine which one of those may have been the causative factor of an adverse event. It's so confusing, Teresa, and you're right. And I'll tell you, in 1986, they passed a law that provided zero liability or risk for the pharmaceutical companies that provide vaccines. You can't sue them like you could. Remember, Fen, Fen, back in the day, that big class action lawsuit. Once you have something that's a vaccine, you are immune from any kind of litigation for any kind of side effects or any kind of harm that might be caused. The fear of that for the public is. Are they, is that make, does that make them more cavalier? If there is not a financial liability to something that they've produced that may have, you know, dire consequences. Let's get in one more call before the break. Let's go to West Jim Jordan. Shana, weigh in on this. What do you say? Hello, Shana. Sorry, I had you on. I'm right here. Go ahead, Shana. I had you on mute. It didn't go too far. I have to agree with your pediatrician. And let me tell you why. I work in a school. There are a lot of the vaccines that you're talking about are not mandated vaccines. The only vaccines that are mandated are very, very few. I can also tell you I used to be an OB nurse. I saw women who were so adversely affected. by partners who had had multiple partners and gave them STDs. The vaccine that young girls get now will prevent that. Chickenpox is not a mandated vaccine, but if you get the chickenpox vaccine, there's no chance of you getting shingles. You don't have to get the shingricks vaccine later. And there's no chance of you ever getting shingles if you have the chickenpox vaccine. I have a 38-year-old daughter. I have a 15-year-old son. My 38-year-old daughter had chicken pox. My 15-year-old son will never have chicken pox. We'll never have to worry about that. I have to worry about it daily with myself. So there are vaccines that...

are not mandated by the state. Very few are. And you can opt out. And for someone to say that they're cowed and everything else, I'm sorry, but. Like I said, I work in a school and not once have we ever looked at a parent who has opted out of those vaccines and given them any grief at all. All right. Thank you. We appreciate that. To clarify, it is true about our schools. But where I'm saying that where you have less of a choice or understand what those choices would be is at the time your child is born and those six and one shots and all these vaccines, this vaccine schedule is presented. That's where I think the parents, I don't think, are coming into that process fully informed. But Sean is right. At schools, they don't stop those from happening. But this whole talk of chicken box, our last two colors, there used to be chicken box parties. Yeah. Where you get like everybody get it once, because once you get it, never get it twice. I, you know, I don't know. I, that's, it sounds a lot more, maybe there's a mutant. Chickenpox run around now, but there used to be chickenpox parties because everybody wants one kid got it. Catch it. Everybody get it over with and get it now. Catch it. All right. More of your calls and comments coming up here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS. Yeah, if you're just joining us, we're talking about Florida, what they did yesterday announcing that they're banning vaccine mandates. Should Utah do the same? We want to hear from you on that issue tonight. So to the phones we go, we talk with Candy in American Fork. Hi, Candy, how are you?

Hi, Rod, I'm great. And I just wanted to let you know that we're not banning vaccines. That's right. Just the mandates. And I wanted to let you know I'm a nurse. I'm a nurse. And in... 2021 on June 28th, OSHA, through the Department of the United States Labor Department, sent out this directive to us. And it said, and I quote on page 46, employers are not required to record instances of adverse reactions to vaccinations on the OSHA 300 log. that they had never before you could get cited if you didn't. And all of a sudden now, you don't have to record it. On page 48, it says OSHA shall not cite for failure to comply with, and it mentions two laws, the FR, and I won't go into the numbers, but mandates requiring employers to record worker side effects from a COVID-19 vaccination. So. The government's been co-opted by big pharma. And what drove me crazy is when the pediatrician was saying back at the turn of this century, yeah, back when women were having 10, 12, 13, 14 children, many babies did die in infancy. But if you look, since they've increased this vaccination schedule so drastically, the incidence of child health is going. I mean, our children are sicker and autism is. Crazy. That's my concern. So let the parents use their common sense. Candy, thank you. Candy, thank you. And that's what I think this ban on mandates does. Mom and Dad, you have the responsibility. You make the decisions, not someone else telling you you have to do this. That's what Florida is doing. Well, that Oshawa that was read, good information drives good decisions. What that said is you don't have to create the record or the data that would actually be the information that would help drive good decisions. That's a red flag, isn't it? I mean, you... You need good information. You need data. You need longitudinal data that shows how long vaccines have been used and what has been the effects of those things. It just seems to me that we would want those things. Yes. When you're working against that, that's when I think we all should have a reason to be concerned. We've had a lot of people waiting. We ask you to hang on or you can call back. We don't carry this over. We need to take a break and get a news update for you. But we'd like to hear your comments. Many of you have been waiting to weigh in on this. You want to hear from you. Hang on or give us a call back. We'll get to your call next. Coming up on the Rod and Greg show as we talk about vaccine mandates. Kristen, thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg show. Hello. Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to say that I am...

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They don't have that explosion of autism. So I think right there, I think it points to, we need more investigation, right? And number two, well, I'll give a quick personal story, right? Well, no, let me go number two, the Ninth Amendment, right? The U.S. Constitution, this one gets overlooked a lot, but the Ninth Amendment says we have retained personal rights. And if it's not to decide what goes into our bodies, then the Ninth Amendment isn't worth having. You know, the Ninth Amendment is for people, like the Tenth Amendment is for states. Right. Quick, quick military story, 1998. I'm getting ready to deploy, fly the tankers down in Panama. So they're giving me like six shots, right? Six immunizations, which before I, and one of them, the lady had to let warm up. And I said, hey, can I look at this? And she's like, sure, right? So I take it. I had a laser pointer in my pocket. And I shine the laser pointer down the vaccine. I'm just being curious. And I see like these metal splinters looking back at me. I was shocked. So I did some investigation. Like that other lady said, there's adjuvants in there. And adjuvants are designed to kind of wake up your immune system, right? Because I'm sure if there's aluminum splinters in your blood, your immune system is going to react, right? And that's one thing they think can be a problem for people because it's hard to get that. aluminum out. So there's my story, Greg. I appreciate it. Thank you, Bob. Thank you. Yeah, that's an interesting story. I've never heard of that before. He knows the stuff. He's well-thoughtting he researches everything he tackles. Let's go to Larry in Cash Valley. I love, I was in Cash Valley today. I love Cash Valley. Larry, welcome to the Rod and Greg show. Yes, I'm a little tore up with this in the 50s. I remember polio. Oh, yeah. I remember the long machines. My brother had polio, and I don't think a lot of people realize that that's still around. And I've never seen anything so mean as that. So there's about two or three mandates that I really believe in, but the rest of it, I just think we've gone really overboard. But just polio in itself. most people don't realize that it's still around and how wicked it is. I hear you, I hear you, Larry. I agree. So I'm biased, but I, yeah, there's the three that we had, and polio was one of those for sure. I think there's enough data and it's been around long enough that I have more confidence than that than I do the others. Before the polio vaccine was available, when I was a young kid. just being a little guy i remember my mother giving us a spoonful of cod liver oil

every day as a protectant against polio i think that was before the polio vaccine came out huh yeah i know i i like it i happen to lie i'm fine with what i had i just when i think of the number of how many i had i've looked it up to see if i was crazy it is three but i i just think that it's it is the combinations the six and one the schedules it's just a lot yeah david is in salt lake city wants to weigh in on this tonight hi david how are you Hey, I'm good, pretty good. I'm just wondering about the risk. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about this. I had a new physician. I went to, and he asked when the last time I had a tennis shot, and I told him I had bronchitis occasionally. And so he gave me a T-DAP and a Pregnar 20. And in three days, I was in so much pain. I didn't sleep for three months. And ended up with what they called Guillambore, which graduated into CIDP, which is chronic. inflammatory delamination, polyneuropathy. And that was just, and these are common shots. Man. Yeah, yeah, that's a real challenge, David, by the way, you bring up Guillain Barrette. I had a brother-in-law who came down with it, Greg. He was paralyzed from the neck down for quite a long time because of Guillem-Barre. Jeez. And that's scary. He's fine now. He's better now, but that is a frightening thing to get as well. Yeah, should we go to a talkback or should we hit? Let's get our call. Okay, let's go to the caller. Stewart in Highland. Stuart, welcome to the Rod and Greg show. Thank you very much, gentlemen. One point I'd like to make is the age at which the vaccinations are given. Yes. The blood-brain barrier can stay open to at least age three. Some people say up to five years of age. So when you inject a protein, it bypasses three defense systems, the nasal, the throat, the lung. That protein then goes into the blood, and some can cross the blood-brain barrier. That is the key thing because growing up, I'm 64. We had five vaccinations before kindergarten and you'd have a booster. So you maybe get 10, 12 vaccinations. Now it's 72. But the key thing is the age, these young babies before the age of 3-5, these things cross the blood-brain barrier. It's in the literature. So age and the number of vaccinations, I think that's a real problem in today's society. Good point, Stuart. Didn't even think about that. You know what? I was not aware of that. So super. I appreciate that feedback because there was discussion even in the Senate hearing today about the time in which these children were getting them, not the vaccine itself, but at the age they were receiving it, which actually comports exactly with what Stewart, our last caller, was describing. Yeah. All right, let's go to our talkback line. We've had a lot of people weigh in and want to share their opinions on the talkback line as well. Here's what some of them had to say. Hey Rodden, Greg, this is Jeremy and I-15. There's a couple notes from your previous callers. First and foremost, regardless of whether or not a vaccine is mandated, when the vaccine is heavily suggested by the schools and the pediatricians, it's a de facto mandate. Second, who in the devil is scared and lives in fear, quote, every day of the chicken pox? Third.

Look at all other medicines and how many side effects they have. They don't do that vaccines. They should. Yeah, good points made on our talkback line. Here's another comment. Greg, I agree with you completely 100%. There's got to be some correlation between all these things we inject and things that are happening with the kids. I had the same vaccines that you did, and I am fine. Yeah, see, same vaccinations I had as well. And we're both pretty healthy guys, fortunately. We have been over our life. You're a pickleball freak, you are. Here's another comment. Greg, I don't understand how you can put tons and tons of vaccines into a child and not find some complications, period. I agree with you. The simples, get them done. But there's got to be a correlation. Yeah, the autism question is what I have. Well, look, Rod, the data that came out today about how sick of a nation we are, how sick our children are by a percentage of... We're the sickest in the country, in the world, I guess. In 1950, what a snapshot of America looked like, what a snapshot of our youth looked like. Something, we cannot ignore what's going on here, and we can't ignore this absolute... The diagnosis of autism is so beyond anyone's... Well, we just can spot it better now. We're better. Something is going on. And if we keep our head in the sand and we're not able to ask these questions, you know, I think it's, I just think we're crazy if we don't. We have to challenge it all. Good information drives good decisions. Just inundate us with good information. Yeah. Well, what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said today in that Senate hearing, we are the sickest nation in the world. What has the CDC done about it? That's right. Good questions. And we'll carry on this discussion. This is going to go on for a little while, folks. So we appreciate your comments tonight when we come back. All of it. I love it. I appreciate it. Steve Moore will join us. We'll talk about the state of the nation's economy. That's coming up next. on the Rodden Gregg Show. This just started a few minutes ago. They're having a celebration for families as the state of Utah marks Constitution Month taking place right now, the Battle for Regional Center. Patriotic activities began at 6. They'll have a program tonight at 7, and we invite you to go on by and take part of it, if you have time, looking for something to do with your family tonight if you aren't a Cowboys fan. And we should text Senator Mike Lee and ask him to invite Tim Kaine to our Constitution Month. Maybe we have some courses he can take about the proper role of government. They sure do. And our inalienable rights. And who grants them? Yeah, who grants them. It's not him. All right, Steve Moore, economists is joining us on our newsmaker line. Steve, always great to have you on the show. It's official, as you reported this week, Steve.

Biden made poor, poor, and Trump made everyone a little bit richer. What did you find out, Steve? Well, it was mainly just good economic policy under Trump. You know, we had the tax cut, which was a huge benefit to the middle class. We had re-regulation. We had all sorts of policies that really helped grow the economy. And when you grow the economy and have a good stock market, it helps everybody, including the middle class. So the most amazing statistic is that middle income... The families saw a bigger increase in their income under Trump in four years than they did under 12 years of Obama and Biden. That's a pretty amazing, amazing accomplishment. So, and by the way, I feel pretty good about the direction of the economy right now. We're at a record high on the stock market on the S&P 500. We're seeing record low energy prices. We're seeing, you know, really good numbers on investment in the United States. We've got a secure border. It's all clicking. Steve, since the last time we spoke with you, the controversy with the Federal Reserve and Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook is actually accelerated, okay? It's now three homes. There's a lot of paper trail there of mortgage fraud. The president tried to remove her. She's stay and put, she says. I don't know that America has ever looked at the Federal Reserve as closely as we've seen now, and I don't think we like what we see. What is an economist like you see with all this news going on right now? Is it troubling? What should we take from it? Babe, did you see that Moto Casino is giving a 1,776,000 worth of prizes? That's why they're called America's Social Casino, celebrating the birth of America bigger than anyone else. You can win incredible experiences at NASCAR and F1 races and a grand prize of 1 million sweeps coins. So what are you waiting for? Spin now on Moto Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino is a social casino board. We're prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit motto.us for more details.

Well, first of all, this woman should not, she should refuse herself. They have a Federal Reserve Board meeting coming up. And she's lucky. You're innocent until proven guilty, but she could just recuse herself. She should not be making decisions on monetary policy, mortgage policy when she looks to be. And, you know, look, you're innocent until proven guilty, but I have talked to people at the Justice Department. They think they've got her dead to rights that she fabricated evidence on her both, more than one time. Yes. It's not just a clerical error. And if that's true, we cannot have someone like that on the Federal Reserve Board making decisions on interest rates and things like that. I feel pretty strongly about that. And so we'll see how this turns out. But, you know, the most important thing is we need to, you know, I think we are going to get a Fed rate cut in a couple of weeks. I think that will help provide some additional juice to the economy. And I'm not too worried about inflation right now. So it's a nice picture. Steve, what about the housing market? I know the president and the Treasury Secretary have been talking a lot about the housing market and the challenges being faced. What actually could the federal government do in that regard, if anything? Well, that's a tricky question because, you know, it's an affordability crisis. You know, prices of homes have gone up a lot. And you're someone like me who has made, you know, loans a home and you'll see the appreciation of value. That's a good thing. But if you're trying to buy a home, it's not such a good thing. But, you know, for many people, their home is their principal asset. So I like to see rising housing values. There's a couple things going on here. One is we need to deal with. I'm not familiar with your rules in Utah and Salt Lake City, but in many cities, there's so many zoning restrictions. You just can't build housing. And you can't build multi-family housing. And so you've got a situation where, you know, I have two sons that are, you know, late 20s, early 30s. They're both in that stage of their life where you start thinking about buying a place. They can't afford it. They can't, and they're doing fine economically. They just can't afford a house. You know, this is going to segue into yet another topic, but it's kind of, this is, the housing is actually a little part of it. I saw that, you know, the judge made this ruling about Google, said that they're not going to force Google to break up into different parts, but basically everyone can use their technology, all their product, they're, you know, their intellectual property, whatever they can use it, which is bizarre. But what I am worried about, and you're an economist, you know this and I don't. I do worry about the consolidation of companies, businesses where we start to lose a free market. You've got a Teddy Roosevelt that breaks up business. You have FDRD back then. Housing, you've got in Utah a lot of hedge funds and a lot of big corporations that are developing whole subdivisions for rentals. And they're even keeping some of them empty just to keep the supply, not over, not to create too much supply. It feels to me like we should be looking at some antitrust on maybe some broader issues like these hedge funds that can be involved in every type of business and maybe do consolidate them in a way where we don't feel the natural economic levers.

Well, you're talking to somebody who would. Will you please solve all this, please? I very rarely disagree with you, but I don't believe in antitrust. I think we should repeal the Surman Amitrust Act. I mean, Google is a perfect example. I mean, Google provides services for free to people, and they're accusing them of being anti-consumer. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And since when does the government tell a company that has to, quote, share, unquote, its technology and its data with its... with its rivals. I mean, this is America, for goodness sakes. I mean, there's a kindergarten economics. You're going too fast, so everybody has to, you have to slow down for everyone else. I don't like that. I think we, you know, look, capitalism is the, you know, let the strong survive. And I don't like the fact. By the way, it's not, it would be one thing if you saw rising prices of technology, but they're falling. You know, the Apple phone is falling. The, the, uh, The cost of search ends is falling. So, you know, I'd like to see the government. My worry is that we have too much government intervention in business, not too little. Steve, final question for you. You talked about you're pretty confident about the economy. Does the labor concern you at all, Steve, as far as jobs? And, you know, we get the report tomorrow. Are you concerned about labor? A little bit. You know, I think the labor market is slowed down. The jobs market has slowed down. No question about it. There's a lot of reasons for that one is that we've, you know, a lot of immigrants have left the country and they were working and now those jobs are being filled. And then you've got the problem, you know, with. Just, you know, we don't have enough workers in this country. You know, we have seven million job openings in the country. And we don't have, the other thing we don't have about is we don't have enough people with skills that can fill the jobs. I mean, you talk to any manufacturer, anybody who's running, you know, construction companies, they can't find, you know, the qualified workers. So we've got a lot of work to do to make sure that we have the next generation of workers. is capable of doing the jobs that are available. Economist, Steve, more joining us. And by the way, the unemployment numbers will be out tomorrow. So we'll see what the job numbers have to say. It's going to be interesting to see. All right, more coming up. It is the Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. And the mayor, Mariel Bowser, now they want to extend the National Guard, I think, through the end of the year. Well, she does. She does. But, but now you have the District of Columbia. And it's very radical attorney general, Brian Schwab, who is now suing, who has gone to court, trying to convince the court to stop Donald Trump from the National Guard. So the mayor says, we were good. We could use the help. It's clearly showing some protection for the citizens of which she represents. But the radical city of D.C. attorney says, no, we're going to sue. It makes perfect sense. Yeah, sure does. Well, speaking of police, a new study out is taking a look at how the media influence American support for police joining us on our newsmaker line. To talk about that is Scott Morgas, he is an assistant professor at the Department of Criminology at the University of South Carolina. He did this study. Scott, thank you for joining us tonight. What piqued your interest as to why you wanted to look at this issue?

Sure, and thanks for having me on. My interest in this particular topic started several years ago when I was working on my dissertation where there is some polling data that goes across time several decades looking at people's opinion of approval on certain types of use of force, some of which would be considered legally reasonable. And I saw a very clear pattern across several decades of... increasing disapproval of use of force in situations where one looking at it would expect that use of force to be considered, at least from a legal perspective, reasonable and justified. And so I was curious and understanding why we're seeing a very clear opinion change across these decades. So that's what piqued my interest in this. So tell me how does the way the media frames use of force, how does that shape the public? And what's happened recently? And when I say recently, I'm thinking George Floyd going forward. Sure. So, you know, to kind of start getting at understanding, like, do we see some of this opinion movement because of media influence? I had to create a new database of about a quarter million news stories across three decades, running basically from 1990 through 2021 and do some machine learning type algorithms to understand what are the... overarching themes that we see in these headlines across time on stories about police use of force. And when you do that across time, there are several very consistent themes that these news organizations use, at least in their headlines, to discuss this topic. In my article, I outlined four of those. Their race, right, the headlines that... that are kind of grouped under this heading are very racialized. So, for example, one of the headlines that would fall under this would be from the Black Panthers to Black Lives Matter, the ongoing fight to end police violence against black Americans. So it's a very racialized type headline when talking about police use of force. Another category would be protest and reform. So those are headlines really kind of talking about protests surrounding certain police events as well as certain types of police reforms. The other one is national politics. So the headline would be linked to some sort of national political figure, whether that be a president, a U.S. senator, something like that, talking about police use of force. And then by far the most prevalent type of headline you see I call official statements, which is essentially just a statement from, say, the police department or whatever government entity is saying, hey, we had a police shooting, a police use of force. This is what happened. And so you see those move across time. But then there's this question, well, do these headlines reflect public opinion or are they affecting public opinion? Right. And so that's what I tried to get at with the study I talk about in this particular article. Yeah. Have the headlines changed in that period of time from 1990 to 2021? Have you seen a shift in the headlines and how the media is covering this, Scott?

Yeah, you definitely do see peaks and valleys of these different topics. Like I said, the official statement ones are pretty steady across time because that's typically what you see most prevalently. But then you'll see, like, for example, protests and reform. You see spikes in those types of headlines after controversial use of force events. Think Ferguson, think George Floyd. You see spikes around similar. types of controversial incidents for the race topic national politics kind of ebbs and flows depending on the decade you saw an uptick of it in the 2000s and then you see a really big spike um beginning around 2014 especially when you see these presidential cycles um occurring in that latter half of the 2020 2010s here's a question um The only times, and I'm being serious that I can think of where the media was framing a use of force and a way where they were saying it was appropriate would be, say, at a pro-life demonstration, where the police were coming in and arresting people at a pro-life demonstration, or if it has a right of center effort that is where use of force has come to play. The narrative I can recall is one that would be supportive of having to intervene because things got so dangerous. When you get left of center, it seemed to be the themes that you've described of race or reform or things like that. Do I have a jaundiced eye? Are they across the board just describing all use of force in a negative way? Or is there the politics, sadly, shaping that as well? Well, there's not very many headlines, at least in the data set that I use, that say whether something was, you know, right or wrong. It just has this theme attached to it, right? And whoever's reading it can walk away with whatever type of opinion of what that headline means to them. But I think what's interesting and starts to get at what you're asking there is is... These themes, when you test them at the individual level, which is what I did in this particular experiment, where you randomly, it was a nationally representative sample from the U.S. and you randomly assign four of these headlines to individuals based off of these different categories and then compare them to control headlines. It doesn't matter which headline grouping you give them. when it comes to the race topic as well as the protest and reform topic, it lowers people's approval of these situations, which would be deemed legally reasonable, regardless of whether they identify as liberal or conservative. Now, there certainly is different starting points, right? Those that identify as liberal tend to be less approving to start off with than those that identify as conservative, right? who tend to be more approving, but they both reduce when exposed to those types of headlines. So there's something going on in these topics and these headlines that are speaking to somebody as far as how they think about police use of force, regardless of what their partisanship is. Scott, final question for you, has the use of body cams, police body cams, made their way into the media's coverage of these stories? And if so, how?

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