The Rod and Greg Show: Sen. Mike Lee and AG Derek Brown on Transgender Sports Cases at the Supreme Court

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And there were some people who are saying, let's just keep on rolling, go over to Toronto and get rid of those guys, too. I mean, that was the debate that was going on in this country. Because I remember back when George Herbert Walker Bush, Desert Shield, he did not go in to Baghdad, didn't do anything. And all I ever heard was we should have finished a job. We should have finished a job. You know, the UN observers that are supposed to see him destroy his weapons of mass destruction, they turned the cameras off. Everything was that we should have finished the job. And when George W. Bush goes in. Then there was criticism there, too. I've seen every version, whether it's we didn't, I mean, there was a book written about Wilson's War. It was the one about Afghanistan and that the congressman that was able to Marshall. Charlie Wilson's War, where he was a Democrat congressman from Texas, but marshalled all those weapons to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and ultimately saw the Soviet Union withdraw from Afghanistan. And the big. The big take at the end of the book was we left. We left a vacuum there. We didn't help. And that's where Osama bin Laden was able to take that vacuum and make a hay of it that would ultimately come back to hurt us. Well, that's one way to go to walk away from it all. The other way was what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq where we never left. And that didn't work either. So I've seen every version of how the United States protects its own interests. They are all suspect to failure. All of them are. I think the lightest hand, the lightest touch, empowering people that want to change the regime that they've been victimized by for so long. I think that's worth a go, but you can't run it for him. Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll get into that with Utah Senator Mike Lee. Also coming up, we'll talk about masculinity. Does America need more masculinity? We'll talk about, I think we all would say yes. We'll talk about that. We'll also talk with the field director, the Utah Federation of College Republicans, a really sharp guy. He'll talk about this. survey, and we talked about this last survey about religion and politics. Last week we talked about it. Well, he is going to talk about the impact it may be having on young voters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So we'll get into that as well. So we've got a lot to get to today. But the big story today, Greg, was the hearing before the Supreme Court. As I mentioned, it was a three-hour hearing. And I love the fact that they allowed the American people to listen into that hearing today. Now, typically, we don't get that. No. But they stream, there were no cameras. unfortunately or unfortunately it matters but to hear the audio and to hear the questions that were being asked today I thought it was fascinating most people are indicating they think it will go the conservative way that they will uphold these bands in Idaho and in West Virginia but you just never know but the questioning today I thought was very fascinating Yeah, and I think that we're going to dive into this, like you said, with Senator Lee. But I do think that there's a little bit of a tell. I think that you're seeing that it's pretty hard to protect rights of individuals. If there's a protected class out there that you say is fluid and you cannot define. I don't know how Title IX meant to protect females in sports and competitiveness and all those things and make sure they have opportunities. If you can't.

actually define what a woman is. And I just think you can. I think science allows us to do this, but politically people don't want to. I don't think the Supreme Court can run with that. It makes it pretty hard. I think one of the key moments came when Samuel Alito Samuel Alito, conservative member of the court, raised questions with the attorney representing the ACLU, the plaintiffs in this case, challenging these laws. Listen to this exchange between Samuel Alito and the ACLU attorney. If it does that, then... Is it not necessary for there to be for equal protection purposes, if that is challenged under the Equal Protection Clause, an understanding of what it means to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman? Yes, Your Honor. And what is that definition? For equal protection purposes, what does it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman? Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law, we'd have to have an understanding of how the state or the government was just understanding that term to figure out whether or not someone was excluded. We do not have a definition for the court. And we don't take issue with the, we're not disputing the definition here. What we're saying is that the way it applies in practice is to exclude. birth sex males categorically from women's teams and that there's a subset of those birth sex males where it doesn't make sense to do so according to the state's own interest. Well, how can a court determine whether there's discrimination on the basis of sex without knowing what sex means for equal protection purposes? I think here we just know, we basically know that the, that they've identified pursuant to their own statute. Lindsay qualifies as a birth sex male and she's being excluded categorically from the women's teams as the statute. So we're taking the statute's definitions as we find them and we don't dispute them. Boy, was she grasping on that one, Greg? I mean, he asked a great question. How can we rule if there's discrimination if you can't define the difference between the sexes? Well, I just wrote it down. It just comes down to that. Does it done? Birth sex male. Birth sex male wants to play female sports. Finally, you can finally say a guy wants to play girl sports. You don't call him or her to say it, which is always confusing me. I'm always confused by that. But a birth sex male is the definition. If your birth sex, that's, and to say a birth sex male should be able to play female sports, say that out loud and listen to what you just said. You know, that's not going to. Ah, we just, the normies, the common sense has to carry the day here. Well, well, see, but there are, and who is it? The Supreme Court Justice, what's her name, Ketanji Brown Jackson, still is confused. She sound confused today on the bench, but she said, why can't we make an exception? You know, she talks a lot. She is the one who before her confirmation hearing was asked to define what a woman is. She didn't want to. You know, if she's done anything, she has actually amplified that bad answer. I have no idea what a woman. I'm not a scientist, so I can't tell. She has commented on many of their cases, and I think she's even been like the lone voice on dissent on votes that the rest of the Supreme Court without regard to who appointed them.

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timelines. And what was interesting to me is the chief justice basically just kind of ignores the timelines and just goes and tell everyone's through asking questions. So, so, you know, that's one of the things which I think it's interesting. He makes sure everyone gets their questions out. But, but it is. It's kind of a, it's, it was just an interesting listen when you have members of the Supreme Court asking what to the average person who's not a lawyer listening. would be you know questions that would be pretty simple like hey for purposes of title nine do we know how to differentiate between male and female boy and girl and then to hear the the mishmash coming out of these lawyers i mean it just it's it is convoluted and it's just sort of an interesting uh it's an interesting commentary on the year 2026 when some of the most simple questions just have long, convoluted legal answers. So anyway, it's a real interesting discussion for that purposes alone. You know, we're not, I didn't hear it, but you get clips, you get people that will quote a justice. We, I think it was a Samuel Alito that was saying, well, how would you expect us to rule on this if you yourself can't define who it is we're trying to protect? What's the protected clash? You can't really say if it's a male, female, it's all fluid. So that sounded like a critical, you know, observation from one of the justices. So with that being what we've heard, did you hear more of those type of questions that are hard for the government to answer or was it or whoever the plaintiffs were? Was it hard for them to answer? Or did you hear more processed questions that would bore all of us to sleep? Oh, well, there's both. So there was a lot of the legal stuff, but of course you've got the process questions. In fact, one of the interesting process questions, people may not know this, but you have these athletes who challenged Idaho's law in West Virginia. And then pretty recently, they effectively said, hey, we give up our challenge. We don't want this lawsuit to go forward. You know, effectively, they just simply, I don't think they wanted the Supreme Court to answer the question, which is interesting because in Utah, as you may know, we passed the law a couple of years ago on this very thing on the hills of what Idaho did. Now, my office in the Attorney General's office has been defending that law in Utah. for the last couple of years in federal court. And about two or three months ago, the plaintiffs did the same thing. They basically dismissed the case and it ended. And so there was a lot of discussion on the issue of, well, if they simply said, hey, we no longer want to participate in sports, we think the case should end. Should you even be hearing the case at all? So it is kind of one of those what we call mootness issues. But at the same time, it's really interesting because in theory the judges could stay well. If the plaintiffs, you know, want their case to end, then maybe we shouldn't be here in the first place. So hopefully what the court does say is, look, this is an issue that is going to continue to be litigated again and again and again and again. So let's decide this thing once and for all.

We're talking with Utah Attorney General Derek Brown right now on the Rotting Greg show. As I was listening to some of it today as well this morning, Derek, at time, you know, this really comes down to common sense, and I think that's what some of the Supreme Court justice were indicating, but almost felt at times that those who want these bands lifted and don't want any such bands were at times almost grasping at straws trying to defend their position. Did you get a sense of that at all? Yeah. Well, they did because as you mentioned, this is just a real common sense issue. I mean, sports only works because of categories, right? And categories are as old as sports itself. I mean, Athens, Greece, 25, 100 years ago had sports categories, and they exist for fairness and for safety. And so, I mean, we all intuitively understand that. And so what you have is one side that's trying to argue against... the fact that we have categories for fairness and categories to make it safe. And in fact, yesterday I was at a press conference where I stood together with athletes, a group of AGs and athletes like Riley Gaines, who had been forced to go up against athletes that were much longer. And one of the things they said that was interesting, one of the athletes made the comment. She said, you know, we can beat the odds. But we can't be biology. And so some of these arguments just, it seems like it runs counter to what is common sense. So we call this kind of the 90-10 issue. I mean, 90% of people in America, I think, are on one side of this issue, even though you may not always get that impression when you're reading the press. So the way this, my observation is they start hearing cases first Monday in October. You have a lot of cases that are heard. We all do the commentary around the kind of questions that were asked. See if we can see a tell somewhere amongst the justices in terms of how they would rule. And then you wait. And I think they start announcing, my memory is around June. I don't know when they start announcing their decisions or rulings. But if you were attorney, you're our attorney general, what would you want to hear from this Supreme Court by way of a ruling in June? Do you want to hear it's just state rights issues? Do you want to hear a more defined, maybe national definition that all, you know, high school kids or kids will be able to adhere to across the country? What is it that you're looking for from the Supreme Court? Well, I'd love for some clarity on this decision, but specifically when you have a state like Utah, I mean, I'm all, as the Attorney General of Utah, I'm always looking with a Utah focus. And my hope is that it's very clear that a law like the one Utah passed is well within our scope. And it is the kind of thing that says, look, we get to determine how we're going to protect our girls. We get to determine how. sports are going to be conducted. And so that's what we're looking for. And just from a timing standpoint, Greg, you mentioned from a calendar standpoint, what generally happens is, as you said, they start in October, they argue, and then they start releasing these opinions. And generally, the second or third week in June, the session, this session of the Supreme Court comes to an end. And the most controversial decisions tend to be released right at the end.

We're probably not going to get a resolution to this issue until my guess is, you know, middle of June of this year. Yeah. Final question for you, Derek. If the court rules it's a state's rights issue. So in Utah, we have a rule that bans it, but another state like California has a rule that allows it. What if those two states have schools they're competing against each other? What law wins in that case? Yeah. Well, and that's why you look ideally for something federally that defines this. Because so much of what we're talking about, this is really an issue of what's called Title IX, right? Title IX was passed... almost 50 years ago. And Title IX is a federal rule that talks about the phrase on the basis of sex. And what does that mean? And because it deals with federal funding, my hope is obviously that they don't say, well, this is a state issue. This is my hope is that they say, look, this is how we define it from a federal standpoint in a way that helps. define this because ultimately title nine was a promise for opportunity for our girls and i think we're this interesting crossroads where we have to answer the question now are we going to make good on that promise or are we going to pull that back and that's really the question at play here with the supreme court today utah attorney general derrick brown on our any hour newsmaker line right here on the rod and gregg show and talk radio 1059 knRS Hey guys, Lady Luck here. Are you going on any road trips this summer? I know I'm going to be going on a bunch of road trips. And being that I'm going to be passenger princess, I love playing on SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest has all of my favorite slot games, live blackjack, live craps. Head on over to SpinQuest right now and get yourself a $30 coin pack for just $10.00. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Boydware prohibited, visitspinquest.com for more details. You know what your customers are doing right this second? The exact same thing you are, listening to me, which, let's be honest, is kind of flattering. But my point is, ads on IHeart Radio actually get heard. In the car, at the gym, on the couch, while people are walking their dogs. Who's a good boy? Who's a good boy? You're a good boy, that's right, you're a good boy. So why not make the next ad about you? Get started today. Call 844-844-Ehart or go to iHeartadvertising.com. That's 844-844-Ehart or iHeartadvertising.com. I think it was just last week or two weeks ago. There was a symposium here in Salt Lake, talked about men and boys and the challenges that men and boys face. And over the years, you know, males have been attacked for their, quote, toxic masculinity.

Whatever that is. Here heard a definition of what toxic masculinity is. Is it just being a man? It's masculinity. It's being a man. Yeah. It's anything that it would be being a guy. They don't like the leftists want to call toxic. They don't like it. They don't like homogenous. Human. They want eunuchs running around. Don't know how to do anything. Can't do anything. Just listen to them. Yeah, listen to them. They'll tell you what to do. Well, let's talk more about that. Joining us on our Any Hour Newsmaker line right now to talk about it is Victor Jake's columnist with the Las Vegas Review Journal. Always great to have Victor on the show. Victor, you wrote about America needs more masculinity. What are you looking for, Victor? Well, it's kind of just what you said. We need men. We need boys who grow up into men. We need boys who believe that being a man is a good thing. And being a man is a distinct thing. You know, I think there's kind of an understanding of what makes a man. And part of that is the ability to go do physical labor. Part of that is the ability to use strength to protect, to endure hardship for a greater cause, the ambition, the drive. that many young men have. And the thing that we need to understand is these things all exist in young men. And what society traditionally has done, and not just this society, but throughout history, what society has done is they've taken these things and they've directed young men into positive pathways so that they take this, this energy, this competitive drive, this strength. And they say, all right, you have these things. These things are gifts. These things are good. when they are used for productive ends. And so what I would like society to do is to celebrate that young men are competitive, to celebrate that they're strong, and then point them in directions, and not just in the job market, but in the creation of families, in marriage and settling down and enabling our society to continue, pointing them and saying, that's what it means to be a man, is to take these things that, yes, make you distinct from women. and use them for good. You know, I think it's innate. I think it's a tragedy that we've somehow politicized this and told adults, parents, that their children, whatever they're naturally inclined to, that somehow that's bad. And what I mean by that is, I was raised by a grandmother and a single mother, no man in the house. Do you know what my toys were growing up? I can remember. They were, it was a fire truck. Trucks, army men. I had a gun, you know, like a cowboy gun. I had everything a little boy would dream of. My grandmother, my mother, you know, babyed me, but they loved me. What did they give me for toys? They didn't give me Barbie dolls. They didn't give me. I wanted and received fire trucks, army men, and, you know, guns that, you name it. That's what I wanted. How, why is it? And how is it? What's happening that we're now trying to homogenize these kids? We don't want them to show masculine or... types of things like you can't hold a gun, you can't have army men. We don't want to talk about war. They just have overthought this, but it has a consequence, I think. What are some of those consequences as we've let society politicize masculinity? Well, I'll get to that in a second, but you're exactly right that there has been a distinct push.

to say that men and women are innately the same, that boys and girls are innately the same, and that the reason that they grow up and take different career paths and have different interests and earn different amounts of money isn't because of biology. It's because of society. And so the feminist that, you know, in many ways the feminist ideas that run our society, that govern our society, have embarked in a decade-long project to say, If we just raise young boys differently, if we stick them in a classroom for seven hours a day with one 10 or 15 minute recess, we'll just make them little girls. And it has it worked. I mean, you look at the rates of suspension for boys. You look at the rates of graduation. You know, this formalized sit in the classroom, act like a girl education has been a complete disaster. And then what message do the boys get in school? It's, well, girl power. You know, girls can go be engineers. And it's like, no, men as a group, not all men, men as a group have more of an aptitude for math. And women as a group have more of an aptitude for English. And that's not a conspiracy. That's just an eight. And it's okay. And, hey, if you have an aptitude for math, but you're not great at English, well, let's look at all of the jobs in the world. We need that help society function that allow you to get married and be a good provider that use math and let's celebrate it. And let's not try and force women into these paths because, oh, we have to have a one-for-one representation. It's been extremely destructive. obviously for the young men, but also for society more broadly. Yeah, it has. Victor, Charlie Kirk has talked about this, but it was talked about long before he had so much notoriety. The path to success. Guys get an education, get a job, get married, and have a family. In that order. In that order. Now, let me ask you. In that order. Yeah. Do you get a sense, Victor, that that may be starting to catch on again? I sure do hope so. But do we have a sense or how long will it be before we can tell, yeah, that message is finally getting through to young men? Well, you know, it's interesting because the elite, you know, which kind of drove this push towards, you know, men and women are the same. We've got to feminize these young boys. You know, marriage, you can take it or leave it. They actually don't act that way. And you look statistically in the places where marriage is the strongest is actually among the most higher educated and what needs to happen and hopefully is happening. You can see, you know, some of this on the left and certainly on the right. is a recognition that

Oh, yeah, these ideas that we may have dismissed as traditional were really good ideas. And we actually should be promoting those ideas and not just say that every lifestyle is equal. Every lifestyle is equal for every child. No, every lifestyle is not equal for every child. It's not equal for your own chances of happiness and success in life. And here's the thing. We know the pathways. It's just what you described as success. You graduate from high school. You get a full-time job. You get married. And then you have children. And if you do that, I can't remember the statistic. It's in the upper 90 percent, Kyle, yes. That's right. 90 plus percent of people who do that, who start in poverty, get out of poverty. And shame on us, shame on us as a society to have the pathway to success and then say, oh, we don't want to be judgmental, so we won't tell anyone about it. We know what works. Tell people what works and help them get along that path. Amen to that, and I hope we're headed in the right direction. Victor, as always great to having you on the show. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, guys. Thank you. On our newsmaker line, that's Victor Jakes with the Las Vegas review and also writes for The Daily Signal. More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. President Trump took a few minutes today to honor Scott Adams, who died at the age of 68, the creator of Dilbert, became a conservative influencer and passed away today. I think it was pancreatic cancer. Is that what it was? I believe it was. It is. The guy was a fighter. He had it for quite some time. They gave him a lot less time that he would live. And he'd been trying some other therapies, things that he was just not going to give up hope. He believes in the power of positive thinking. And had a very sad raft. I think it was after Christmas said January is going to be a big, big transition. And he was saying, I couldn't have got worse news. Well, he wrote about the fact, I think it was on January 1st, Greg. As a matter of fact, about him finding faith. and believing in jesus christ again he wrote he said i accept jesus christ as my lord and my savior i look forward to spending an eternity with him the part about me not being a believer should be quite quickly resolved if i wake up in heaven i won't need any more convincing than that i hope i'm still qualified for entry and and he drew some criticism for this which is so sad because i think it's at the core of christianity we we certainly I mean, the savior speaking to the criminal on the cross said, you'll, today, you know, you'll be in paradise with me. And, you know, we have different interpretations of what paradise is in that moment. But what we know is that nobody was saying like, no, you're a criminal. You're going down, you know, you're going to HE double hockey sticks. You're out of here. That's not the case. And I think childlike faith and when you decide to convert, it is immaterial, as long as he qualified it, too. He says, if I've lived a good life, he says, you can't just be a monster. and then just say the words and then hope you've emotionally hedged your bet. I think what he expressed was heartfelt, it was sincere, and he did believe that his life needed to be one that was positive. And so anyone that would criticize that, it's just this nonstop narrative of negative knee bobs. I don't want to hear it. It was prostate cancer, not pancreatic cancer. As I mentioned, he said, if you're wondering if I'll get better, the answer is no.

It will only get worse. He said at the time, there's only one direction this goes. Yes. And, you know, so, but I'm with you, the criticism that he found faith, that, you know, he found faith in Jesus Christ and people are critical of that. Just stop it. Let the person decide what they want to do and the direction they want to go and leave it alone. I think that's why. It's just read some of the scriptures. You know, you can go to the four gospels in the New Testament. You can go to other scripture. You read it. I think that everything that he expressed is consistent with what we think is most important. Moving on. That is. All right. Another hour coming your way on this Tuesday. Rod and Greg with you. And Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. You know what? It sucks to be bored. But when I get on my phone and play real casino games on SpinQuest.com, the time flies by. That two-hour wait at the DMV seems like 10 minutes. Play your favorite slots. Live blackjack, live craps with a live dealer. New players, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10.00. Play SpinQuest.com and you'll never be bored again. SpenQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit spendquest.com for more details. These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with iHeart, everything you hear is guaranteed human. That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make iHeartMedia a part of your 2026 plan today. Call 844-844-I-Hart. Again, that's 844-844-I-Hart. You're happy today. I'm very happy today. Because? Because Mike Tomlin got fired. The head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Didn't you fired? He decided to leave. I want to rephrase that because I think that it is an important distinction. He has decided. He told the team in a team meeting, I think today that he was no longer going to continue as the head coach of the Steelers. I think 19 seasons, it's run its course. I think both the Steelers and Mike Tomlin needed a fresh start. And this is what I was thinking last night. Getting ready for that big game, and I thought they performed very, very badly. Awful. And that has been the trend in the 20s. I mean, there's not been one of these first-round playoff games that we were even remotely close were competitive in the game. And in Pittsburgh, going nine seasons without a playoff win is unprecedented. We've been four seasons was the longest since 1969 until recently until 2016. And then from 17 until now. We are winless. So you're happy. Oh, I am. And so many of my friends, we just thought there, once they he made, once they won the division and they got in the playoffs, we thought we're stuck with him another year at least. And time to go on. What have you been there? 18, 19 years? 19 years. 19 years. Yeah. So there's a, I'm going to call right now. There's a young grandson of Don Shula, Chris Shula. He's a defensive coordinator of the L.A. Rams.

He's a little old for being the first quarter, but first hire because Chuck Noel was, in 1969, was 37, and then Bill Cowher was 34, and also Mike Tomlin, 34. All defensive coordinators, I looked it up, Chris Shula, grandson of Don Shula. He will be 40 in February. So that would be, that's a little long in a tooth for these guys. There are a lot of good young coaches in the NFL. ERA wants him to go to the Dolphins, as he should, because the guy looks like he's the real deal. But let's hope. They'll probably go there. I don't know if Steelers actually win. We're actually used to winning. I don't know what the Dolphins. I think ERA will be the first to tell you. They haven't done that in his lifetime. When is the last time of Steelers won? Well, sooner than you. It's what you told me. It is sooner than me, but it's still a decade or more. It was the same. Long time. All right. The president was the president. He was being himself today. You know what he did today? Is that a Michigan Ford plant, right? You heard about this. Yeah, I did. He was getting heckled by some guys, so he flipped him off. There you go. And apparently he mouth F you. I love it. I don't even know. Did he do it twice? Yeah, he says twice. Now, I tell you. Now, people say, oh, it's not presidential or everything else. Hey, man, I haven't learned yet after 10 years. This man is exactly the way he wants to be. Yeah, he's not going to be any different. I mean, he's going to do what he thinks he wants to do. And look, I think a lot of people. on the whole i think the guy's great and i have no problem with it and you and you better if people are still clutching pearls over this man after 10 years you're just going to have a miserable life because here's what i'm going to tell you after he's done doing as much as he can for the next three years he's not going to disappear no he's not going off riding out into the sunset never to be heard Get ready. So if this guy, if you spend emotional energy not liking this man, it's pretty much a life sentence for you because he's never going away. And they're never going to not cover him because he gets eyes and he gets attention. He'll always get ratings. He'll always get clicks. So he is omnipresent. So if he makes you mad, go to a theric, go see a shrink. I don't know what to tell you. But the man is going to be that he's going to do exactly what he wants. And on the whole, I'm not complaining. Yeah. I'm getting what I voted for. The heckler called them a pedophile protector. Now, my guess is he's referring to Epstein. Yes. Probably, right? It's Epstein. That's all the Democrats have. They just keep saying the name. And then everyone that gets revealed, it's a Democrat. I mean, they keep, it's a stick to beat themselves with. Oh, we want to see more who's been there. What was the guy from Harvard? The guy that. Oh, uh, uh. Anyway, he... I know who you're talking about. Prominent member of the community Democrat. Alan Dershwin. No. No, no, this is a different guy. Different guy was just recently. Oh, Larry Summers. There you go. One time president there at Harvard. One time economic advisor to Obama. They have emails asking for dating advice from Epstein. If that isn't a career killer, I don't know what it is. Well, let's take a few minutes and talk about it, Ron, because you and I disagree slightly. A little bit. We do. A little bit. And I suspect our listeners might have different takes on this. They may. Yeah. I think our listeners, I think there's not a lot of daylight between us, our listeners, on almost everything. But I think there is a difference on this topic.

And I've been confronted with both. I've had people think I'm too friendly to Donald Trump because of, I'm happy of how he's inserting himself in that Iran situation. But some people think he should be more aggressive but quicker. Others think he shouldn't be messing with it at all. What's your position? Then I'll stay mine. Your position on this is what? My position is this. I think that you can't sit back and just watch with popcorn, eat popcorn and watch if these members of these civilians can overthrow. that regime that murderous regime the numbers of people that have been killed as they've tried to hang on to power just recently from 10 to 20,000 i think if there is something happening and our intelligence tells us that that they are about to kill more and more people that i think that the united states should act to protect those people who are trying to overthrow a regime who's just enslaved them and and put them i mean if you look at tehran today versus what it looked like in 78 it's gone back to the stone ages and it's in You can see it, and the people that are protesting that woman who lights the picture of Ayatollah Komani on fire, lights a cigarette with it. Her life is in danger. If they stay in power. Yeah, if she's still alive, which we won't know, it won't be long if that regime is able to hang on. Well, there's a school of thought. I do subscribe to it that if we see. something that would kill people in that kind of masses. We don't have put boots on the ground, but we can certainly protect them. And I hope there's some cyber war going on and everything else. So I think an involvement, a light hand, but a hand involved to help empower those citizens is appropriate, as long as history remembers that it's the people that overthrew that regime, not the United States. That's my position. Well, my position is stay out of it. I know. I think our position is we monitor it. Okay, we keep an eye on what's going on. Trump has information and his team have information they can share, and it may get to a point that you need to do something. But right now, I just sit back and see what's going on. Now, the loss of, you know, the CBS report last night of 12 to 20,000 people being mowed down in the streets by the regime, you know, you don't want to put up with that. But I almost feel like... Let it run its course for a little bit and see what happens. I do not want to send missiles in there. Now, maybe there are some covert things we can do to help them out. But that would be my opinion. I think let's stay the course right now and see what happens. If those casualty numbers are half correct, if 50%, so if it was, you know, if it was 5 to 10,000 people that were mowed down or killed. I think it has a chilling effect on the people that would want to rise up or hope to live through an uprising. And I think that could stop them and that the Iranian regime currently would be successful in holding on to power. The reason I think that it is consistent with America first is you ask yourself the fundamental question. Is America? And frankly, the rest of the world is safer. If that regime were not in power, I think the answer to that is yes. I think they lost power since we went after their nuclear facilities. I think it's a domino effect for sure. I don't think there is powerful or as dangerous to the rest of the world since then, because I think they're afraid of the United States. And I would hope, you know, now they're going to fight as long as they can. I'm talking about the Mullahs, the regime, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the IRG. They're going to fight and fight and fight. But I think right now you kind of let it run its courts. And I made me wrong on this one.

But I think right now you stand our ground. We keep an eye on it. We do covertly whatever we can do in assisting the protesters right now. I just don't want to send missiles in there yet. I do. I completely do. And I'll tell you this. I've heard that before this, before you saw people taking to the streets, there was still some lingering worry about their recovery of their nuclear program. And I think not Yahoo has been arguing that there needs to be additional action taken. I just think there's no downside to ending. Just think about for a second. If Maduro and Nicaragua were to go, if you saw this regime in Iran. uh go overturned by the people and then you know we don't know who would take over after that that's probably the big question but it can't be worse than what we already have with iran and iran with the huthies and with what they've been they've had their hand in all the chaos and destruction all over this world if that regime were to go down and then if Marco Rubio can become the president of cuba Okay. We're just winning everywhere, okay? We are winning on every front eye. I love it. Well, just think about this. Think about this. Venezuela, down. Yes. But we don't know what we're doing there yet. We did better than missiles there. We did missiles and a little boots on the ground there, 88 minutes worth. We went and got the guy, right? I don't know if we could do that in Iran. They have a run. And what if Cuba goes? That's what I'm saying. Marco Rubio becomes a president of Cuba. I think it's all upside. All right. What do our listeners think? 888-5708-0-10 on your cell phone, dial pound 250, or leave us a message on our talkback line. Just download the iHeart radio app and go to K&R. Let's go to the phones right away. Let's hear from Peter in Salt Lake City tonight has an opinion on this. Peter, welcome to the Rod and Greg show. Yeah, hi, guys. I'm 61, so I remember 79. I'm a teenager. Yep. We're never going to get a better chance than this. I say we roll the B-2 bombers, and we go over there, and we take those suckers out now. Peter, you're my kind of guy. I'm tired of it. Yep, me too. All right, Peter. I remember 79. I remember. I remember it. Reagan shows up. They let the hostages go. Yeah. He wasn't putting up with any of their crap. He scared the day. I think Trump scares him now, too. It doesn't matter. They still quietly and covertly are causing death and terrorism all over the world. And it will be. I think it is in America's direct interest to see that regime fall. I do. And if they can help scurry that along, if they can help that, if they can protect people that can do it on their own, if they're not mowed down by the tens of thousands, I say you'd do it. 888-570-80-1010. Cell phone, dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or our talkback line. You can access it by downloading the iHeartRadio. More your calls and comments coming up on the Rod and Greg show.

I ran. Should we be more aggressive? Are we aggressive enough? Should we be staying out of it entirely? I have heard all those scenarios expressed to me, either through my ex-page at Citizen Hughes or on the show. But I've also heard people that concur with me that we should... be looking at this as an opportunity to see and then empowering the people to overtake, overcome or overthrow that regime. Again, we do not want to have to babysit and hold the hand up and try to sit inside that country forever. That's not that we, Afghanistan and Iraq taught us that. Anyway, what do you think interested in your take? 888-570801010 is a number to call or try the talk back live button. The red microphone gives you a 30 second take. If you press that, if you have, if you're streaming us online, let's know what you think. Yeah. I want to share with you, Greg. We were talking before the break about Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, passed away today of prostate cancer at the age of 68. He knew he was going downhill over the last several weeks. And, you know, he talked about his conversion to faith and to Jesus Christ, has received some criticism on that. You were telling me, Glenn Beck had a very interesting take on that today. This is People Magazine. You ready for this? People Magazine. When O.J. Simpson died. Okay? Here was the headline. O.J. Simpson, dead at 76 from cancer, family announces. Okay, pretty straightforward, right? For Scott Adams. Scott Adams, disgraced Dilbert Corrector, dead at 68. Disgraced by how? Like, how was he disgraced? I guess his conservative views? Disgraced? Yeah, I think they went after him one time. Apparently, they said some of his views were racist. You know, that's crazy. I have, that is really, and maybe I'm just in an echo chamber, but I've heard nothing but respect. Yeah. No, he was attacked. And he's a best-selling author. And here's the issue. He slowly became a Donald Trump fan. Yes. That could be another issue. Anybody who associates that they like Trump or they agree with Trump on anything is instantly attacked. And he was down. I mean, look at the headline. Scott Adams, disgraced Dilbert creator, dead at 68. There's people that might not even like. And he really did come up. I think he really started getting vocal around the COVID time because he's just watching common sense just go down the drain. And he's going to speak up. And I think a lot of what people are attributing to being MAGA, Maha, Trump, or even, it all revolves around common sense. These are actually issues in positions that were not partisan at one time in life. And so he spoke up because he should. And guess what? History's proven him exactly correct as.

as well as many others who spoke up during that time and were attacked. Yeah. So he's far from disgraced. I don't even know where they come up with that. Well, because he, he supports Trump. Anything to do with Trump, those of the left and the elite media, are going to attack break. And it truly is, I think it is a condition. Trump derangement syndrome. Trump derangement syndrome is a disturbing condition that people are. It is a psychological condition. And it just, it prevents people from seeing. what's going on in front of them. They cannot take inventory of the good. And there is no such thing as an American achievement. There's only partisan achievements. And if one side does it, it's bad, and the other side does it, it's good. There is no American achievements out there. And I try to not be that way. I like to acknowledge American achievements from wherever they come from. Yeah, well, Donald Trump is trying to lift up America. That's fair to say, right? He toured Ford today. and talked about the fact that they're making cars again and the plant is operating i now think 24-7 i mean they're cranking out vehicles you mentioned last week that americans has been a very good year for american car manufacturers he's trying to lift america but why do they tear it down i i just you know i understand you can question the guy you can say what you want about him and his antics sometime like today flipping off a heckler It's fine. But compared to what? So, okay, so maybe you don't like it. Do nothing, Joe Biden. Yeah, compared to what? Look at what we've lived through in the last administration. You're 9% in your inflation, all the green new deal, the open border, you name it. Even the Supreme Court justice, he. Happy birthday, America! It's time to celebrate and play your favorite Las Vegas casino games by American-owned SpinQuest.com. What's better than fireworks than American Pie? Hitting a black deck in the palm of your hand, and you won't lose your fingers. Over a thousand games, including slots and live dealers, and $30 point packs are on sale for 10. SpinQuest.com, buy American players for American players. SpendQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit SpenQuest.com for more details. These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with iHeart, everything you hear is guaranteed human. That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make iHeart media a part of your 2026 plan today. Call 844-844-I-Hart. Again, that's 844-844-I-Hart. He with a straight face and without apology, he said, I am going to appoint a female person of color. It was the one and two guiding lights in his selection process that had nothing to do with intellect, with accomplishment, with merit, had nothing to do with it. He said, that's going to be. And as you watch the court deliberate, you can see that there were qualifications used as the highest and most important.

that have separated that justice, I think, from the collective deliberation and depth of the rest of that court. And so... Look at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, look at Congress. What are you comparing Trump to if you say, I'm mad at him? I don't want him. Then where are you going? Yeah. I mean, who do you want, if not him? Because whatever you think is wrong with him, I think there's about a, I don't know, a Mount Everest of problems sitting over the United. You know, sure, but it get over the Democrats' problems with what they've done to this country. I just don't see it. Have you looked at the Democrats lately? Right. And folks, get ready. All right. More of the Rod and Greg Show coming up on Utah's Talk Radio 1059. KNRS. Well, I was watching during the break here, the president doing an interview with the new anchor of CBS Evening News. And I want to ask you this question on the president right now. The inflation report came out today. Pretty good. Yes. Yeah, it's a little high, but still pretty good. Not as high as it has been, but it's going in the right direction, right? And the number one concern of Americans is what? The economy. Would you say that? Affordability, yes. Is he being distracted by Venezuela and now by Iran and not concentrating enough on helping the American people? I ask you that question. Yeah, he's not being distracted. No, I don't think he is either. I think he's making America great again, and I'm not kidding, on multiple fronts. And if you're too myopic, you're going to miss a lot, and it's going to harm us if you're not doing it just that way. You have to be, it's what the president has to do. They have daily briefings, I'm sure, and I'm sure there's things going on all over the world and in this country that they've got to be aggressive about. And he is, he's so decisive. What I love is so many people that are elected. want to be loved. It's their guiding light. And the best way to be loved is to do nothing. Because whatever you do is going to draw an opinion favorable or negative. And heaven forbid if you want to interrupt the status quo because that will get you more critics than you can count. And the status quo creates uncertainty where you don't, it's challenging the status quo. So he is geared to constantly challenge the status quo, which is an inherent negative experience because so many people want to protect their turf. And then second, he truly wants to get measurables accomplished for this country. while he's on the clock and feels that urgency and he's not worried about being loved to do it. It's not his guiding light. He doesn't want to be hated. He doesn't want to be revout. He wants to be understood. But he's not going to defer or not do anything for fear that people will misunderstand or not appreciate him. So he wants to be loved so he won't do it. Inaction is not something. He has a bias towards action and he is not doing this.

Obviously, after 10 years of seeing how he's been treated, he's certainly not doing it to be loved. But I just find his strength of will, his bias towards action, and just decisiveness, I just love it. Well, I think, Greg, the American people have, you may agree or disagree with me on this one. have gotten past the point of being defended by some of the things he does like today. Yeah. He's at a Ford plant in Michigan, right? He's talking to the workers. He's talking about American production. He's leaving the factory. And there's a heckler out there. Apparently one of the workers who are calling him what, a pedophile protector, right? Yeah. And kept on yelling that at the president. Well, he decided to give him the one-finger salute. Tell me he was number one. He was just telling America's number one, right? I've gotten it. I've been honking waves for people. I've been told I was number one a lot. I did too. I've been there. Been there, done that, right? Now, years ago, America would have, you know, that would have been the headline on the news tonight. Donald Trump flips off car worker, car manufacturer, right? They come to accept that he is who he is. He's not ever going to try and be somebody he is not. You know, you didn't see him done, a hard hat and walk into the factory looking like a construction worker today. Had a suit on with that long, dark coat and that red tie. And he is himself and the American people, I think, have, well, some of the American people. People who voted for him. I've come to accept who he is. Well, here's what you're getting with Donald Trump. He doesn't do focus groups to help decide what color tie he should wear. No. He doesn't sit and say, where are the people going so I can lead him there? He is who he is. And here's what you don't know. Maybe you don't know. Winston Churchill wasn't the sweetest, just, you know, bubbly person all the time. The man had his eccentric. He had his eccentricities. He was a very eccentric person, very stubborn. Yes. I mean, he was tough. But I don't think he was winning, you know... personality contest necessarily. Do you ever see the movie on Churchill? No. The one that came out a couple years ago? He liked wearing silk underwear. He liked to nap in the day and he liked to drink a lot too. He enjoyed his drink. And he liked to sit in the tub. Yes. He spent a lot of time in the tub. So are we going to make fun of him? I mean, it's one of the world's greatest leaders. Well, let me ask you in the world of sports, Bobby Knight, head coach of the Indiana of the Indiana Hoosiers. He whipped that chair across the basketball court. He was not known for being bubbly sweet and nice and warm. He was a tough, tough guy, but he won. He won. And I think we know about him, and we're saying his name right now because he was a winner. And I think that those winners don't come out trying to win a personality contest. They're trying to win. They want to win, and that's what they do. And it comes, it's a package deal. And I'm going to tell you, the guy that wants to just make you impressed about the tie they wear, how sweet they are, how many babies they can kiss. You know what?

politicians have tried that angle forever and we've all i think at some point have been cynical about that yeah Isn't it refreshing to have someone who just never gives that a thought? There is no one that's ever going to accuse that man of trying to figure out where the people are going so you can lead him there? Or, hey, what color tie? Can we do a focus group to see what color tie I should wear? What do people like? Do they like the soft tones or the or can I wear a nice, bold red tie? What should I wear? I think the man picks out his tie. And it happens to be the same color every day almost. There have been a few days where I've pointed out to I go, Is he wearing a blue tie today? Or has he got a gold tie on today? Very unusual for him to do that. I like his penchant to gold. I think I love that. I love how much gold he's brought into the White House. I do. I think it's great. So on brand. The Roddy Greg show continues right here on Utah's Talk Radio 105 KNS. A report came out today, Greg, showing that inflation remained relatively contained at the close of 2025, despite... some turbulence from tariffs, if there are any, but grocery prices continue to go up. And I think that's the, and I don't know how you bring them down. I mean, egg prices came down, but I don't know how they come down. Well, if we see that the transfer, we see, this is where I would, I would say to even our friend Stephen Moore, I think there are things going on that are outside of what economists have always believed were the building blocks of an economy. I'll give you an example. One. The reason why tariffs have always been seen as bad is that if you added tariffs to the imports exports, there's no way to pay for that unless you pass it along to the consumer. But we saw that it didn't happen and why. I would tell you in hindsight, once we've seen it roll out, and it's contradicted the absolute rock-solid theory that that's why it would happen. It's because the exporters and importers and those that sell it down the supply chain had such rich profit margins that they could absorb those costs within it. And this reports their studies that show that. Yes, and that's right. And why would they? Not because they're charitable, but because if they made it even more expensive than they already did with their large profits, they would start to lose market share. So they began to absorb those tariffs in their profit margin. And that's why we're not seeing prices go up. I would say the same thing. I have been told, and I have learned from early age, that when the Fed cuts rates, you're going to see auto loan percentages for auto loans. Those rates go down and your credit card rates go down. We're not. We're not seeing it. Now, you've got to ask yourself, why? I believe that they are harvesting a lower interest rate and continuing to have a high interest rate to why? To create a profit generator off of the interest rate instead of empowering more people to buy cars, people to use credit cards and use credit. Those used to be levers to create stronger consumer activity. But I think that the people at lending on auto loans and those people with credit cards, the credit card companies. are seeing a profit from those interest rates. And so they are harvesting the interest rates, the lower ones, and seeing more profit. That is breaking the rules of our economy. Well, one point that came out today, Greg, mortgage rates have dropped below 6% for the first time in several years. Yes. Below 6%. Very, very good news. Very good. Now, we've had Steve and number of economists who this year have said, get ready, 2026 could be a whale of a year.

Right? Well, even today on CNBC, the Business Channel, this, I want you to listen to the Journal's Chief, Wall Street Journal's chief economic commentator, his name is Greg Imp. Let's say him talking about the economy and what lies ahead. More new highs, you know, good GDP, closed southern border. Joe, I'm with you on all those bothersers. I'm not disputing any of those. And the inflation number is one more reason to be optimistic. I think 2026 is going to be a very good year for the economy. 2026 is going to be a very good year for the economy. It is. But the one thing that you just mentioned that I think is breaking our rules of economics is that if we know gas prices have gone down, we've been told that diesel prices are down, that the delivery costs would also go down because people use gasoline to transport these goods, and that we would see that reflected in the cost of groceries as well. I don't see it. Well, maybe someone's seeing it, but until I'm told in my house that we're seeing it, it doesn't exist. Why are we not seeing the grocery prices fall if we can measure how much fuel that would be used in the trucks that deliver groceries has dropped, which must mean that the transportation of these groceries to these stores must have come down. Why are we not seeing it reflected in the groceries? Good question. Another thing, another sign of positivity that is taking place, Greg, is that according to Breitbart today, rent, the cost of renting is dropping. because Donald Trump and the ICE deportations. Kind of interesting. Rents are dropping. It has had a greater impact on the housing markets than I actually thought it would. I wasn't convinced that that was such a strong driver, but it has been. Now that you're seeing, you're seeing in some of those states that were sanctuary states and cities with President Trump coming in and now enforcing federal immigration law, and you're seeing the self-deportation happening in record numbers and even the deportations and removals. The spike in values of homes has started to plateau or even go down. And they've actually, some of those house prices have gone down 6%, 5%, 4% year over year in those sanctuary, those really dark blue cities. And that, I think, is an impact. That is a cause. There is causation from that and illegal immigration. And those people self-deporting were being removed. Yeah, yeah. I think, I don't know about you. The grocery price. battle is going to be a tough one and it may come down because of law sooner or later energy costs have dropped they've dropped significantly and the transportation to get the goods to market is going to go down so those who set those prices are going to look and say it's not costing me as much as i used to get this product to my store so can i start dropping some prices and where that all starts Who puts the pressure on those grocery companies to start saying, we're bringing them down, folks. We're going to help out. That's when things will turn around. And I think that's the key as we head into the midterms. And I think that all of that is coming. I think that some of the things Stephen Morris pointed out, like the interest rates are going to drop, the Fed's going to cut rates, we're going to see mortgage rates go down.

We're going to see, I think, rebates coming back from tax returns are going to be healthier and higher than people I expect. I think we have those good economic experiences coming our way and the economy will continue to track in the right direction. Yeah, taxes, we'll have to see. And we'll start seeing that one. In about a month, maybe around a month, the tax refunds start coming out and we'll have to see what happens. Well, most of us all wait until the last day and then we'll wait until after that to see. Yeah, then we'll see. You sound like me. All right, Mike Lee will join us coming up next. On the Tuesday edition of The Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS. All right, another busy hour coming your way here in just a second. We'll talk with Utah Senator Mike Lee. A little bit later on, we'll talk with the field director of the Utah Federation of College Republicans. You have, have you met him? We've spoken. You've spoken. You're very impressed with this young man. I am. He came on. I discovered Kai Schwimmer, who's going to be our guest from the Am Fest, the TPUSA, big event, annual event they have down in Arizona. And he was part of. Mike Knowles, what is that, is that Daily Wire? I can't remember. He's one of those. He's got one of those big, you know, news sources. I think it's Daily Wire, Daily Caller, I think it's Wire. Anyway, point is this, they have a thing called Bar Fight, where they have people debate each other. We should have a bar fight. And so he came on and he was debating, and they were debating over Israel because Republicans have kind of different opinions on. How much assistance would they give Israel or how much not to? There's a couple issues. And all of sudden, in this bar fight, Amfest, big debate, some of these conservatives, thought leaders and influencers who are evangelical Christians started ripping on the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints. That's the church that Kai Schwimmer is a member of. And he did not shy away from it. He kind of came. back at him and explained his faith. I thought in a very articulate way. Anyway, I started to follow him. But didn't go crazy, right? He didn't go crazy. He was very calm and he's very articulate and he can really express a point. He does it with the right tone, I think. Anyway, I've just started following him on X. He's got about 35,000 followers. I think he's coming on the stage pretty hot. He's doing well. Was it a debate today at the University of Utah? Says they won. Yeah, we would expect no less. But anyway, you need to hang on if you're listening to the show. You need to hang on for that discussion because I think we're going to have a great discussion with him. I think we're going to hear more from Kai going forward. I think this is one of the emerging influencers and conservative common sense voices in America right now. Well, let's see what happens. But right now, Utah Senator Mike Lee is joining us on our Any Hour Newsmaker line. Forget whatever plans you have this weekend because you're staying at home and playing on SpinQuest. And there's never been a better time to sign up than right now. New users get $30 coin packs for just $10. All the table games you love with hundreds of slot games and real cash prizes. That's at SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit spendquest.com for more details.

These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with iHeart, everything you hear is guaranteed human. That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make IHeart Media a part of your 2026 plan today. Call 844-844-I-Hart. Again, that's 844-8-4-I-Hart. Senator, welcome to the Ron and Greg show. Look, we've been talking about this on the show today. I've been hearing a lot about it on the news everywhere else. We're seeing what's happening in Iran, and I just want to know. What do you think should happen? What should the U.S. role be? Should there be any role at all? Should be sitting back and waiting and seeing? What do you think? Let's analogize this to a moment in which we can see a fight that's about to break out somewhere. And even if you're not best friends with or standing right next to one of the people getting into a fist fight, you're in the crowd. You could potentially be affected by it. And I think at that point, the interest the United States has in it is fairly analogous to that moment. I'm not sure beyond that what President Trump might do, but I think he's closely watching what's happening there. could very well end up culminating in something in which the people of Iran decide to make a different choice, a better choice, a choice that departs from totalitarian rule. Senator, what about what's going on and around? There was the CBS News report yesterday, anywhere from 12,000 to I think 20,000 protesters have been killed in the street by the regime so far. How far do we stand back on this one right now and keep our eye on this one? Yeah, I don't want to speak for the administration, but one always has to balance what interests the United States has with the also understandable and legitimate need to not make every dispute, our dispute. I don't know that we have certain numbers on anything right now. There is a lot of information coming out there. It's obviously very disturbing if there's any possibility that there are that many human casualties, human... losses of life there. It's very, very concerning. The short answer is I don't have enough information at this point to be able to apply them directly on how likely we are to get in what we might do if we were to get involved in that directly. So let's shift gears real quickly. You're also a constitutional scholar. The Supremes are together today, and they are listening to the transgender argument for students playing sports, looking at two different bills from two different states. Senator, have you tracked any of that deliberation today, and do you have any conclusions or opinions about what's being discussed and how it's being debated?

Yeah, I didn't see today's argument. I know it's been happening is that courts considering these cases addressing whether biological males may be allowed to compete in women's athletics. Now, the vast majority of American citizens agree that women's sports should be for women, for women exclusively. That's kind of the whole point. And if men had no physical advantage over women... there wouldn't be a need for women's sports. In other words, if they were identical, then it'd be no point in having two separate leagues. Now, let's look at some of the examples of where this has gone wrong. And there are many, many others, but I'll note a couple of prominent ones. C.C. Telfer ranked 200th as a male, first as a female. Leah Thomas, ranked 554th as a male first as a female. Look, I think intuitively most of us get the fact that men don't belong in women's sports or in women's locker rooms or in prisons designated for women. Our nation has fought really hard through programs like but not limited to Title IX to give girls and women a fair shot in sports, in college and professional sports. Our daughters deserve the opportunities that their mothers and their fathers fought for. And the Supreme Court should uphold these laws and do so in a way that... make sure that they are protected in the manner of those laws contemplated. Senator Lee, doesn't it cause confusion, though, if you have some states, I think they're now 27 who have laws like Idaho has, and there are 23 states that don't. I mean, if you're competing from one high school in a state that allows that, doesn't that cause all kinds of confusion right now? How does this play out, in your opinion? Yeah, look, there's always a possibility of what some call the patchwork quilted effect, where one state law allows one thing, another state law allows another. That is kind of inherent in our constitutional system in which states have certain areas of authority where they legislate and the federal government doesn't. Here you've got some overlap where states may have some laws, but then there are also federal laws that affect them, particularly in the context of collegiate athletics. There is federal legislation on the books that is relevant here, and that's what's at issue. It's the interpretation of those federal laws that's at stake there. Lastly, Senator, you're busy. Just real quick, the Jerome Powell put out a video over the weekend saying that the Fed's been subpoenaed and he is accusing the president of potentially of lawfare trying to impede what they do as the Federal Reserve. I think a lot of us have had a belly full of Jerome Powell's selective calculus and accounting and economic analysis depending on the, you know, the administration that's serving.

What do you make of what Jerome Powell said over the weekend? What's been the reaction in Washington? And do you think it'll hurt our economy to have him out there criticizing the president? Well, look, a lot of the concern that I have there is directed specifically at the Federal Reserve itself. Now, the same economist, Milton Friedman, said years ago that, speaking of the Federal Reserve, that there's no institution of the United States that has such a high public standing and such a poor record of performance, it, meaning the Federal Reserve, has done far more harm than good. And you couple that with the fact that this is part of the executive branch of government. And yet we know that no executive branch officer should harbor, much less display severe contempt for any president of the United States. Normally, that wouldn't be possible. We've got this weird hybrid set of circumstances in which we allow executive branch personnel. to be hostile toward the administrative positions of the President of the United States, notwithstanding the fact that all these officers really should serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States. Now, look, so the Fed itself is an unwieldy beast, one whose structure guarantees a state of enmity or at least a potential for hostility between the Fed share and the President of the United States. And that is constitutionally problematic. The probe specifically focuses on whether Mr. Jerome Powell may have lied to Congress about the massive costs of the Fed's headquarters renovations. I want to be clear. I know nothing about those allegations. And so I have no idea where that'll go. Not familiar with the details of the investigation, but I look forward to finding out what they determine. Utah Senator Mike Lee joining us on our Any Hour Newsmaker line talking about a variety of issues, including our involvement with Iran, also talking about Jerome Bell and where that all may go. A lot of people are writing it could backfire on the president. We'll have to see what happens there. So a lot of issues to discuss with the Utah Senator. All right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg show and Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS. One of the most ridiculous, you know, this whole thing about what's going on in Minnesota is ridiculous. We noticed. today, Greg, that ICE is not taking this sitting down anymore. They've been told if you see people disrupting your operation, grab them and arrest them. And we've seen that a lot in Minneapolis today. Well, and it needs to happen. Look, lawlessness, permitting lawlessness, permitting people to act the way they've been acting.

uh just gets it just gets worse yeah you're gonna whatever you're getting you can get more of that so if you've decided that you're going to let lawlessness rule the day even if you think oh it's just you know they're just observers or they're trying to be they're blocking traffic they're not obeying orders of law enforcement none of that has a trajectory that goes well all of it has a trajectory that goes the wrong way so i think they need to have a very strict uh standard and those on the left gregg i think are pushing more and more to get ice to do something pushing them more they're trying to provoke a couple of examples today we had a uh i believe she's a woman looked like a woman i couldn't tell you never know you never know but she she she just walked up to an ice agent and threw a bottle of water at him Right? Yeah. They didn't put up with it. She took off running. They took off running and caught her. Good. Here is a woman who is blocking traffic today. They basically had to pull her out of that car. She fought against it. They are not going to put up with this anymore. And there's a pullout today showing that about 52% of Americans feel that the shooting last week was not justified. What's the percentage? 52% of the American people. Well, then they're just getting it from the regime media because they are the only ones that are spewing that. I mean, if you look at all the videos, it's pretty hard to not conclude that she was in the wrong. Well, there was a great article today by Ed Scurry, who we've had on the show before. You know, the New York Times had a story out about the shooting and claim our analysis shows what happened, right? He said, you know what our analysis? Hanging out at the pool is great. Great. Relaxing and playing Vegas-style games on my phone at the same time. Drink in one hand and a blackjack in the other. It's all at SpinQuest. Over a thousand games including your favorite slots and table games. Be cool with this summer special. New players get $30 coin packs for 10 at SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with iHeart, everything you hear is guaranteed human. That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make iHeartMedia a part of your 2026 plan today. Visit iHeartadvertising.com. Again, that's iHeartadvertising.com. It's about six reporters looking around a TV watching the various videos and determining what happened. So that's their expert analysis at the New York Times. And let me just tell you this, too. Like video replay has not helped the referees and football. Okay, like all it's done is taunt us fans that we can see with our eyes what's going on and they don't even get the call right. They still get it wrong. I think taking these frame by frame is meant to create a reality that's not real. All you have to do is see the real speed of everything happening and you cannot hit a member of law enforcement. I don't care if they're federal, state.

county city you cannot hit them with your car and when you do when you've just disobeyed a command to come out of the car and you gun it what if you hit the and they did she did hit him you don't know what happens next and you don't know how that that officer is going to respond in terms of protecting himself and stopping what is a hostile move all bets are off when you and every every honest defense attorney would tell you that we give any anyone the life hack of you listen to law enforcement you obey them you don't have to speak you can you can remain silent but you've got to obey let's do now the the joke this week has been that minnesota and illinois yesterday filed suit against federal government to keep ICE out of there. It is such a joke. It's a sad joke. It's not a good joke. Even the legal analyst on CNN, his name is Eli Honing, was on the show with Anderson Cooper last night after Amy Klobuchar said this the right thing to do. Listen to what he said about the lawsuits. I've read both the Minnesota and Illinois lawsuits. They're really political diatribes masquerading as lawsuits. If you look at what both states are asking the courts to do, It's to kick ice out of those states and cities and to bar ice from carrying on federal law enforcement in Illinois and Minnesota. That's the top thing both states ask to do, and they cite zero precedent for that. There is zero precedent for that. There is no way a judge can say, you federal law enforcement agency, you are not allowed to execute federal law. in a certain state or city. I think the most that the states could get out of this if they get sympathetic judges is a judge who's going to ask questions of ICE, who's going to hold hearings, who's going to demand questions about how they're training, how they're carrying out their policy. You also could have judges that issue sort of symbolic orders along the lines of ICE, you are not to violate the law, but that's already the case. It's already not allowed for ICE to violate the law. So these lawsuits, which appear to be coordinated, They're potentially powerful political statements, but I don't give much of a chance of achieving the legal thing that they're asking for in the courts. Eli Hongi, he is the CNN legal analyst, Craig Zane, is nothing but performative politics. That's what this is. And if he's saying it on CNN of all, you know, they are the regime media. If they're saying it there, it's just too obvious to avoid. He has to live in his own skin. He can't lie worse than that network already does. All right. More coming up. on the Tuesday edition of the Rod and Greg show and Utah's Talk Radio 105-9 KNRS. We upload the show onto a podcast effort or the show is over every night, and you can catch up on something you may have missed today. So I invite you to do that as well. You know, it's all, it's, yeah, and I love the talkback comments too. It's easier than maybe calling in sometimes. I just think our talkback comments, all our calls and talkback comments are always. Always good. Well, last week, we did a story on a new survey that was put out looking at religion and politics and what happened in the 2024 election. And come to find out, Democrats are becoming more and more godless all the time. Yes, a bunch of heathens. Interesting section of that, taking a look at the youth vote in America. And it pointed out that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, young voters.

may not be as Republican as maybe their parents are, but they're still conservative. Yeah, so the Desirette News did an article over the weekend talking about this. They did some polling. And joining us on the show, I mentioned him earlier in the program. Kai Schwimmer, he is a field director of the Utah Federation of College Republicans. This guy's a young gun. Common sense articulate. I saw some of his engagement and debates at the Amfest down at the TPUSA conference in Arizona just recently. I think the kid is. Going everywhere. But, Kai, thank you for joining us on the show. Let me tell you something, I'm looking at an article from the Desiret News says the mysterious Latter-day Saint youth vote. What the article says is that the Latter-day Saints at the L-D-S church, young people from the church, are moving to the left. Are you seeing this? Is this what you're seeing? They're talking about you. Are you seeing this? And what do you think is really going on out there? Yeah, that's a great question. And what I think is interesting is, yeah, what that study finds, which is that on these social issues, they're really not wavering all that much, but as far as party affiliation goes, far more are considering themselves independent. And what I'm seeing, and this is maybe broadly the case for Latter-day Saints, but certainly for young Latter-day Saints, there's a movement a little bit away from Trumpism. And certainly in Utah, I've seen this to be the case. I think especially with a We see niceness in politics as maybe one of our guiding principles. But I also think that there's an appetite among young Lamped A. Saints for more honesty, but also more rigorous defense of our values. And I think we are seeing some of the conservative movement, not appreciate us. We're also seeing some issues where we are maybe more staunchly conservative than aspects of the mainstream. And I think that although we might be departing from the Republican label. It's certainly not because we believe any less in those ideas. And that's what the study in that article goes to show. Kai, what does the established conservatives, the traditional conservatives within the Republican Party, what do they need to reach out to people like you? What are they missing? What don't they understand would you say? That's an interesting question. I mean, obviously we've had huge shakeups since the Trump election and, you know, the politics in the party being more shaped around Trump are always going to interact in a different way to Latter-day Saints. But what I would say is there has to be some kind of unapologetic support for conservative principles. I think young people are actually very concerned with social issues. And although in that study, you know, it cited that they might be a little bit more concerned about LGBTIQ acceptance or things of that nature, I actually think that, especially among young Latin saints, taking stronger stances on issues like gay marriage or issues like the illegality of pornography, those are issues that when I talk to young Latter-day Saints, they come up very consistently. Interestingly enough as well, there's other issues. The younger Latter-day Saints seem to be much more focused on the climate. And so seeing some conservative climate solutions has definitely been a good trend. And that's something that I think the establishment hasn't really caught on to, or rather they were slow to as the fact that the younger base really does actually want climate solutions. But I think that we want, you know, a conservative party or a Republican establishment that offers up policy solutions with compromising its social core. Because these social issues are certainly animating the younger audience.

You know, Kai, I saw you at one point, defend our faith, and it was in a political atmosphere. And I've seen this over time myself, but I think you got a full dose of it. And that is evangelicals, I want to say that members of the Church of Jesus Christ, Larry Saints, are A, they're not Christian, and B, might be even evil. I mean, there is a lot of criticism about our faith. I remember even Mike Huckabee being critical when he was a candidate of our faith. You don't take that lightly. You don't try to brush it off. You hit it up head on and you do defend our faith. And you do intertwine it with your political beliefs. Maybe share with our audience. What is it that what is the criticism that you've heard amongst conservatives? And I would say the evangelical crowd that you're not going to listen to that you're pushing back and trying to clarify so that it's not misstated. Yeah, I love this. And this, the reason, if I could just say as an aside, the reason I've been so excited recently is because I think that we need a, we need young Latter-day Saints to be completely unapologetic about their faith in political circles. I think a lot of the time we've been quiet, we've shut up, but younger Latter-day Saints are no longer, you know, going for that. We want to go on where, you know, our faith on our sleeves because we understand that we have as legitimate of a claim to conservative values as any other Christian denomination. And on this point, concerning some of the critiques and the ways that we've been talked to, especially by a large evangelical or Protestant base, the thing that I always say is, look, ask them to describe the ideal American. What are they going to describe you? They're going to describe you a family man, a man who is giving a lot to charity, a man who's active, an active participant in his community, civic-minded. somebody who's not addicted to drugs that doesn't have a lot of vices and that is churchgoing. And what they've described is the average resident in Utah. What they've described actually is the average Latter-day Saint, especially because Utah in particular is the most church-going province or state in the entire Western world. And that is exactly who they're undermining and deriding whenever they try to claim that we're not Christians. And these are the same people who will tell us to, you know, examine the fruit. right in order to determine if the tree is good well i think the fruit is actually pretty good and by you know deriding latter-day saints they're basically you know setting their sights and attacking the archetype of what we would want america to be and i just think we have to remind them of that What's going on, everyone? It's Bluff here, and you know what's more American than America's 250th birthday? Supporting American-owned companies like SpinQuest, America's number one social casino with over 1,000 games like Live Dealer Blackjack and Craps. They're offering new users a $30 coin package for just $10. Go to SpinQuest.com and sign up today. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Boydware prohibited, visitspinquest.com for more details. These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with iHeart, everything you hear is guaranteed human.

That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make iHeartMedia a part of your 2026 plan today. Call 844-844-I-Hart. Again, that's 844-844-I-Hart. Kai, what role do you see the youth vote within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints playing not only in Utah politics but nationally? What role do you see it playing? Hopefully a much larger one. I mean, I think plenty of people, myself included, were surprised when we, as a young Latter-day Saint. And, you know, I have it on good. in the social media space, that there are far more LBS conservative influencers than they themselves have previously let on. And I think the more and more we become comfortable talking about our faith in public, the more and more people that we are... I've seen to be very content-minded, to be very social media savvy. And I think especially with the way that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has restructured some of its young men's advisory council with people who are certainly politically and social media savvy as well, I think we're going to start to see much more religious activity in political circles and Latter-day Saints who occupy much more prominent positions within the conservative coalition. Guy Schwimmer, thank you for your time. Keep up the good work. You're an impressive guy. You're going nowhere but up. I think I said it differently. I think I got tongue tied when I was introducing you and thank you for joining us on the show. I think you said he's going nowhere. I didn't mean nowhere but up. I mean, you're going nowhere but up, not going anywhere but up. That's what I think I messed it up. But, Kai, I tell you this about this guy and I think folks you're going to hear, I want to come to him. Hopefully he'll be a contributor on our show. I'd love to hear from him more often. Because Kai represents that younger generation. And like I said, it flies in the face of what our previous guests have talked about, where the national demographics are that young people are, if they're Republican, they're more, they're going to church. And the people that are less inclined to go to church are identifying as Democrats. How on earth did our faith get the young people migrating to the Democrats? They have no idea. I don't, and he gave it some context now, but I think this is an ongoing story. I do. I think it's worth.

Checking in. See what these kids are thinking. He ain't the of a career as a talk show host. You never know. Oh, look. He says, look how folks. He's already trying to replace me. No, I'm talking about me. Come on, Rod. You drink out of the Fountly Youth. You're going nowhere, pal. Poundary Youth. Yeah, right. All right. More coming up. It is the final segment of the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. Already looks like we've got a... great show lined up so we invite you to uh on your way home tomorrow night maybe check us out again see what we're up to so it's fun yeah the we have so many great guests you have a great rolodex i'm telling you you you know all the you know all the who's who with these with these articles and things are writing nationally and and it's it's uh It's always good. Yeah, well, this is a bit of a shock poll. I mentioned this earlier today, Greg. But apparently more Americans now favor abolishing the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, otherwise known as ICE, following the shooting of Renee Nicole Good. The first time a plurality has supported dumping the agency. They're insane. You know what it would be like if we didn't have it? I mean, look at what we, every state was a border state under Biden. Is there, are there, is there memory so short or just the media? We keep thinking the media is kind of losing its influence. The trust level is at a historic low. But I tell you, whatever they tell the people they think is whatever they lie about or say is happening, you get a poll like this that seems to echo it back. I mean, it's unbelievable to me. You know, yesterday we, I think it was ICE released this list of people who they've apprehended in Minneapolis. I mean, you've got rapists, murderers, you name it. It's an indefensible list. Yeah. Now, I would love someone to go to a news conference with the mayor, the nut job, who, by the way, I think some of me on Fox and Friends tomorrow, I thought I saw notes. But with that list and say, mayor, can I ask you, do you want people like this in your community? Yeah. And how do you think you're getting rid of them if you don't have them going after them? Yeah, yeah. How does that even happen? Did your police department, who are already stressed out and working unbelievable hours, have time to track these people down and to go get them and arrest them and begin the process of getting them out of the country? And that mayor would, I mean, how would a mayor turn down? an opportunity to get rid of really bad people out of their community. I don't understand how they would turn it down. And I've seen the list that ICE has put out, especially in Minnesota, Minneapolis area. And it's not weighted towards any specific group. It's the people that are here illegally and have committed terrible crimes. And there's like, well, they ask you, you know, if you're here legally or not. Well, they are, they are, and some of those people that they're checking out are people that are confronting them. I watched a video, and they do do this, but I'm telling you, if you don't think this is happening already to everybody, it is, where ICE will take a picture of someone who's, you know, going, and they'll be able to cross-reference that with their database, and people are upset by that. But I think that that ship has sailed. I think that that facial recognition, as much as we don't like it or it feels unsettling, it exists. It's the way I open my phone. Yeah, yeah. You, you, you.

I don't think people realize the stress and the challenge facing agents with ice. I mean, there are stories today. Here's a story in the Wall Street Journal. Target stores become an ice battleground in home down Minneapolis. There was a group of ice agents who the other day were out doing their thing. Stop by a Target store, among other things, to use the restrooms. Okay? We're heckled. From the moment they walked in to the moment they left. You had video today. And what do you have, Greg, now, are people these, like Renee Good, who follow ICE agents, wherever they go, right? And this happened today, and they love taking video of this with their phones. A couple of ICE agents go into a convenience store. To get a coffee or to get something, right? They're in there following them, showing pictures, yelling at them. We don't want you in this store. Get out of here. I mean, this is going on all the time. Yeah, and they are trying to provoke them. And where is this so-called mayor? Let's be civil. Let's exercise our First Amendment rights. Why didn't he tell them to stop this? You know, these radicals have no – they don't care whether the people that came in through the open borders are harming public safety, whether they're interrupting employment, whether they're taking housing, scarce housing, and the cost of housing. They don't care what it does to our educational system and our schools when you have so many people come in that you were not prepared and you don't speak the language. There are so many impacts. And we've had callers when Utah – through a Venezuelan population that landed here and was here in Harriman, Utah, how it was impacting so many different aspects of life in Utah and in southwest Salt Lake County. And that is your housing, your jobs, your schools, and your public safety with a task force out there looking at this Tronday Aragua organized gangs here in our state. So the people you see behaving this way, I didn't give a wit about. public safety or people's employment or the housing or the educational impact they don't care about any of it these are this is all political power and they do it under this faux compassion you didn't care when they were trafficking them in and they have unaccompanied minors no one can find it's a hundred thousand more you didn't hear any of these protests you didn't hear any of this during the by administration you didn't hear it when they found people packed into a hot truck trafficked over the border, but died because of the heat. I didn't see any of these protests. This has nothing to do with the individuals, and the individuals are hardened criminals that they're finding. This has everything to do with political power, and it's just, it blows my mind when you go into a target, because that's not all protesters inside that target. They've just... They've just swallowed hook, line and sinker, a very dangerous narrative that really works against their personal safety and interests. And it's going to come back and bite them. One other note on a much, much, much, much, much, lighter note. Yes. You ready for this? Yes. Disneyland, celebrating 70 years this year. Okay. They have a sign. I've never seen this sign, but apparently that they're saying they're like 250 million people have come to Disneyland. Well, they need to change the sign.

It's now 900 million people over the years have gone to Disneyland and they will hit one billion sometime next year. How long it depends since you've been dizzy? It's been a while. My kids were younger when we went, but I've been there. I probably, we probably, Chris and I probably took the kids twice. Yeah. Well, we have seven grandchildren. They want to go every week. Yeah, no, I can only go there. The food there ends up giving me a stomachache. It's so greasy or something. Yeah. It's, it's super expensive and it has a lot of, it makes me stomach. I don't know how Utah families. can afford anymore to go to no it's super expensive tickets are what two hundred dollars to begin with yeah and all those super fast passes that's a scam that's a super slow pass i don't even know what all the ones that predict yeah you get in line now you get in faster yeah or you buy something that gives you a different line that line's packed too but 700 they've reached 900 million people Yeah. No, I believe it. I believe it. It's a right of passage. Every kid's gone. When I was young, I think I was in eighth grade, my stepdad, he took us to Disney World in Orlando. Oh, that's a long time ago. Yeah. And I was such a... I didn't want to go to Epcot Center because I didn't care about the other countries. I was still mad at Japan over World War II as an eighth grader. I didn't want to go. He says, come on. We want to see it. I go, no, I'm not going in there. I don't want to see Japan. You've got issues. Yeah, he looked. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's what I said. That's what I said. All right. That does it for us. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and this terrific country of ours. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Hey, everybody, Lady Luck here, and we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now, all summer long, I'm going to be celebrating by playing on SpinQuest.com, which is an American-owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to SpinQuest.com. Get yourself a $30 coin pack for just $10.00. SpendQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit SpenQuest.com for more details. You know what your customers are doing right this second? The exact same thing you are, listening to me, which, let's be honest, is kind of flattering. But my point is, ads on IHeart Radio actually get heard. In the car, at the gym, on the couch, while people are walking their dogs. Who's a good boy? Who's a good boy? You're a good boy, that's right, you're a good boy. So why not make the next ad about you? Get started today. Call 844-844-Ehart or go to iHeartadvertising.com. That's 844-844-Ehart or iHeartadvertising.com.