The Rod and Greg Show: Nation's Report Card on Reading and Math; The Democrat's 10 Commandments

L-B-T-E-N-B-Z. Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legendswithazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void for prohibitive. Must be 18-plus play responsibly visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. Come on, how great is it 77? Yeah, it's just really perfect. It's just really nice. I think the 70s, you don't feel the weather. You don't feel cold, you don't feel hot, you don't feel anything. That's, that is. perfect weather. That's perfect weather. Well, it is gorgeous on the outside, and we enjoy you being here, and hopefully you'll enjoy us being a part of your afternoon. As you work your way home, we've got a lot to get to today. Yes, we're going to talk about the inflation numbers. We're going to talk about this new effort to stop the big ICE detention center that, you know, the government is trying to get into Salt Lake City, get your reaction to that. There are new numbers out today, Greg, on student achievement. And the nape scores. Is that what they call it? The name. And we'll talk about that. Break down some of those numbers. We'll talk about the machine that buried Spencer Pratt. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm with you on that. There's a lot of there's a lot about that machine to talk about some I think people are given that vote more credit than it's it deserves. I don't think that this was all done legally before the election took place. I think they saw where they need to get and then they went out there and they harvested it after the fact. I do. I just I cannot tell you having watched enough races and watching ballots come in in the last two weeks. to be 8% percentage points behind, and the person who surges, and they are an elected official, just recently elected, in their own precinct, and they came in third. Fast came in first. Pratt came in second. She came in third in the district she represents in Los Angeles. I'm going to believe that after the election she got more votes than Karen Bass. Nope. I just don't believe. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. Well, we'll get into that as well. As always, we like to invite you to be a part of the program. 888-5708010. Also coming up today, we've got more tickets to Lagoon to give away and another flag to give away from Colonial Flag. And we'll be there on Friday. So we invite people to swing on by Friday afternoon. It'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, it should be a lot of fun. As long as you, the listeners show up. Yeah. Come say hi. Yeah, they'll show up. They always do. You know, I saw this story this morning, and I was talking to my wife, and I said, this poor guy, no matter what he does, and I think we've all come to realize this, cannot get a break. And I'm talking about Donald Trump. Yeah. Now, Trump has gone into Washington and says this should be America's shining city on the hill.

Right? And look what he's done already in renovation. So he's undertaken changing the reflecting pond, you know, along the Lincoln Memorial. Well, the Washington Post comes out with a story today says, it's really not that different from what it was before. Oh, you think? Sorry, I've been there. I know exactly what it used to look like. It was brown water. It was basically ducks. It was just a big porta potty for ducks. A very long one, rectangular porta potty for ducks. It's not now. It's not down. And Greg, on social media, people are showing pictures before and after. It is as plain as the nose on your face, Greg. And I go look at Columbus Square. I mean, look at what they did there. It is. It graffiti covered, just destroyed. And it's beautiful now. Yes. I mean, it's amazing that anyone can take offense over the beautification and restoring of our nation's capital. Yeah. It should have never been, you know, declined and been, you know, disarable as it is. But the fact that they came back and they made it, brought it back to its original beauty, that is just not something to be angry about. Yeah. It's not. Well, it's resistance journalism is what we're saying from the Washington Post. That's actually a good term. You know, there is anything that Donald Trump is trying to do. in the city of washington in our district of you know in the district i mean they're critical of and he's trying to turn the city around and make it someplace where you would want to go years ago we took our kids back there and it was fun and exciting i wouldn't take them back well i may now because things are changing again but a year or two ago nope wouldn't have done it My son, he was an intern two summers ago, and an intern was just randomly in a drive-by shooting, tragically killed by a stray bullet, just walking. And my son told me on a route he had taken many times. And it was just wrong place, wrong time. But that's how violent that city has become. And that kid was from somewhere in middle America, going on an intern, serving at a member of Congress's office for the summer, is killed by the violence. It's better than that now. For them to push back on public safety, on restoring those monuments and those areas, it's just beyond. Yeah, it's amazing. All right. Big story today, one of the big stories today, of course, inflation, up 4.2%. None of us are happy with inflation. The president said today, I love inflation. You had to understand what he was saying. I know. He doesn't really love inflation. But we all know what's causing this, Greg. I mean, it's simple. It is higher gas prices, the cost of oil, and in some cases the cost of fertilizer, which has gone up because a lot of it, for America's farmers, come through the story to Hormuz. So that's why, I mean, there's a story today that I saw about it. The inflation story, the media will miss. Energy drove 60% of the increase in May. If you saw, and to your point, by the way, this is not an excuse because I've got a second part to this observation. But if you take the volatility of energy and I think housing could be in there or has been in there in the past and you pulled the volatile measurements out and looked at what inflation was on everything else, that's a good indicator of, you know, maybe of what your general inflation looks like up or down. And that's less than a percent. I think it was like 0.5 or something like that.

It's our, it's the things you pointed out. However, that said, when the Biden administration used to pull out housing and back then housing was really bad. You get all the illegal immigrants getting the housing too. And then they took out energy. They said, well, you know, it was going up a lot more than what you're seeing here. But they were trying to frame that as the inflation rate by itself. And they would just dismiss and not even mention just say as an aside, they'd tell you, well, we took the energy out and housing out because they're just too volatile to measure. Well, we were critical about that. So I'm not going to not be critical about not about excluding. I don't think we should exclude the energy because we pay it. American people are paying this. What I will say is I think President Trump has every ability to end this, this conflict with Iran today or yesterday a month ago. What he is trying his level best to do is find a diplomatic solution. The problem is I don't think he's got or Iran or even Israel that's looking for the diplomatic solution. No, no. They want to fight. And you can't do it by yourself. You know you have the ability to do it. It's not going to be pretty. But Mr. President, no one will criticize you for not trying. You have certainly, certainly tried. But I subscribe to the Rod and Greg. Iran policy of... Make it an ashtray. Make it an ashtray. That's it. We're done here. You can go medieval and then you can go build it back up folks, you know, when all your power is gone and you can just go a little house in the prairie for a while. And then until you get a country back. But I just say end it now, be done. Yeah, that's what he's got to do. We've got to do it. Yeah. Here's what one economist, I think it was with Edward Jay Jones talking about the impact energy is having, right? On the core, he said American households continue to feel the brunt of surging energy costs. All of us do. We get that, right? The good news is interesting is that the economy looks resilient to this price shock so far. Many consumers have benefited from tax refunds this year. Hiring has picked up from the near stagnant rates of 2025, and businesses are generating robust profit growth. Outside of energy, let's do this, Greg. The report told a different story. Core prices, which strip out food and energy, rose 0.2%. There you go. In May. Point two. 2.9 percentage from a year ago, coming in below 0.0.3. So the core prices are holding steady. It's all being fueled by energy. And I think Trump supporters, including myself, I know you are as well, understand this, but I'm with you, Mr. President. I'm getting a little tired of being played here. Let's get an end to this. Because what I'm surprised about the core price is that we know that the increase in diesel and fuel for transportation purposes will raise your costs in the grocery store. They're going to, they have an impact. They have a ripple effect on other things that we pay for by, you know, consumer goods. The difference I want to point out, though, is that the Biden administration, when gasoline was four bucks a gallon, when we saw this was going up.

He was just saying that you've got to quit buying gas. You just got to go get electric vehicle. We make no apologies for this high gas price. We just think that the gas is over. They love them. The extraction industry is evil. We want everyone to have an electric car. They didn't have an Iran conflict to an Estrada Hormuz to point to. They were just done. They weren't letting the drilling going on. They were against. They shut down the Keystone pipeline and all the jobs and all the efficiencies of moving the fuel. Anyway, so they're, energy prices going up was by design. It was an agenda. This is trying to deal with this Iran, and it's continued ripple effect on the American people. And I've been, I don't think Iran can have nukes. They can't have a worldwide terror network and they can't have long-range missiles. Three things. You've got to stop. Take them out. I know that the United States has the ability to end those three now. Maybe it's ugly. Maybe you even have to put some boots on the ground, which I know he doesn't want to do. We don't want to see. But you've got to end that. And I know the United States has the ability to do it. And I don't think you have a diplomatic core. You don't have the players. You don't have the people across the table, be it Iran or Israel that want this kind of solution. So when you say, stop shooting, that's what every president has said, as long as we can remember. So I think he has got to go end it. Donald Trump was the only president who decided to take this on. Now we're telling the president. finish the job. Yep, you did. You did your level best. No one can tell you you didn't. So just go finish it now. Let's get it done. All right. More coming up on the Wingman Wednesday edition of the Rod and Greg show. Right here on Utah's talk radio, 1059, KNRF. I'm Citizen Hughes. And I'm Rod Arquette. We were talking during the morning show meeting today, Greg, about the amount of money that is coming into some of these political races here in the state of Utah this year. Yeah, the money's coming in. And if you follow that money, some of these sources that are contributing into Republican primary races are not from Republican sources. Imagine that. Out of state, but also Democrat-type organizations. Yeah, yeah. And some of it, we have former Congressman Chris Stewart on an AI PAC. Is that right? I mean, what are they, what's the issue there on AI? Are they trying to put guardrails on it, supporting candidates who want to do that? What exactly are they doing? Look, I don't know for sure, but if you just look at the degrees of separation between those that are supporting this effort and like the box elder AI Center, Data Center, I think that this is on the pro side of. data centers and AI. And so they have. They've been putting money into these, I guess they've been, they've contributed. Well, Chris Stewart's packs contributed over 800,000 to Celeste Maloy alone. Now, she used to be his staffer. She was a staffer of his. So, you know, there's going to be that connection there. But the AI money coming into our races is real. On both sides, by the way, there's anti-AI money coming into races like even state Senate races and things like that. The one that I find curious is there's a pack called the abundance pack. And if you look at the abundance, because the word abundance doesn't really give you a hat tip on who they like or if they're Republican or Democrat leading. But I'll tell you what does, 83% of all their donations go to Democrats. Okay. And they're like guys like Mark Warner or John Hickenlooper from Colorado. Ruben Gallego, he's in the Senate from Arizona.

And the most they're giving to the Democrats is $5,000. They do have all of, what, three Republicans that they're giving to. And of the Republicans, they get 2,500. But Celeste gets the max donation of 5,000, like all the Democrats there. So she's... So, Representative Celeste Maloy, Congresswoman Celeste Maloy, who's got the full endorsement of President Trump. Yes, she does. It's running with a crowd that doesn't like President Trump. Okay, so there's a lot of, none of these names I'm looking at on the contribution list would be in that MAGA category. But she's very, I mean, she's very proud of her endorsement from the president, as she should be. But I'm confused by the financial support from those that are. Not just Democrat leaning. That's not a lean. That's a lurch. That's a lunge to the Democrats when you're that much. 98,000 given and 82,000 went to Democrats. Well, I mean, look at this. I think you're pointing that. Defending our values pack, $880,000 to support Celeste Malloy. Yes. That's a lot of money. Yep. And it's out of state. Yeah. Think Big Pack, $450,000 in support of Ben McAdams. Obviously, that's the Democratic-leaning pack, but a lot of money's coming into this race. There is. There's a lot of dough coming in. And I think what I don't like, even we talked about the Box Elder County Commission race, where you've got all that leftist money coming in, leftist fulcrum, whatever they're called, that campaign of Democrats here. in utah and majorities matter they mean democrat majorities matter they are they are spending a good amount you know by a the size of box elder county they're spending a lot of money on that race against these republican commissioners supporting other republicans using quotes from the governor other state legislative leaders that are inaccurate You just can't, that does, that just doesn't taste right. That doesn't smell right. That isn't right. That the Democrats are inside of Republican primaries trying to create chaos and going after people. There's an ulterior motive there. They certainly didn't, they certainly didn't become fans of Republicans. Yeah. We got to get a Republican elected. Let's just go ahead and switch parties and let's go all in. Now, there's something else going on there. Yeah. I want to talk about the big data center up there in Box Elder County. I don't know if this related to this, but apparently a new poll out shows seven out of ten Box Elder County voters oppose the data center. Seven out of ten. I don't know. Now, my guess is, Greg, was this done before O'Leary said he would scale back? Yeah, that would be a good question. And I wonder if that's changed people's minds up there. You know what? I don't know. Well, I'll tell you this. I think that it should. The sad part is I think that the communication was so poor that even the size and scale of that data center was a 30-year build-out, which brings a lot of sizzle, but practically speaking, if you think of any technology 30 years ago and you were going to, you know, Windows 98.

rolled out, you know, for the next 30 years, that would be a nice thought. But it just wouldn't happen practically. I don't think there's any 30-year rollout of data centers. I just think it gives it a lot of sizzle. So that nine megawatt plant, that's in 30 years. That's what you need now isn't anywhere near that. Yeah. So I think what's happened is even if they hear some of the adjustments or the data centers heard the, you know, the concerns and they're trying to adjust. It's just I think there's a bad taste on a lot of people's mouths over the whole episode. Yeah, well, this poll was conducted by a group called stewardship Utah. I love how they describe it, a nonpartisan. I'm sorry. There's not a research group out there or a surveying company out there that is nonpartisan. Nope. Sorry not. Just weigh the frame questions. But apparently they're working with the box elder accountability referendum. That's the organization opposed to this. And it showed seven out of ten voters are opposed to it. I do wonder if it's changed, though. since O'Leary has scaled back. Maybe not. The good news is Boxing. Maybe they've done such a good job at scaring the daylight out of everybody that they never wanted in their county. Well, I do think there's no coming back for some, but I do think it's a small enough county that if you get good information to the people of Boxing, they're good people. They're real. They're reasonable concerns. If you get information to them and show how they've had a positive impact. I think you can earn their support, but you better be hustling and you better be working at it right now. That's for sure. All right. We've got a lot to get to some new information about reading and math assessments of our students around the country and here in Utah. We'll talk about that coming up next on the Wingman Wednesday edition of the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS. L-D-D-E-A. Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legends withazee.com. With free-to-play slots, Blackjack, Kino, Roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void for prohibited. Must be 18-plus play responsibly visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. We're all concerned about student achievement. Here in Utah, I think Greg, and you've seen the numbers more than I have over the years, we do pretty well. We have good teachers. We have good students. We have good supportive parents, I think, for the most part. So generally, we do pretty well. If you're going state by state in comparison, Utah is scoring well by comparison, but that's, you know, that's, that is relative. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's, these aren't the greatest numbers coming out of our schools right now from students from proficiency and how it's measured. So things to stare at, but I think Utah is situated well.

Probably because of demographics of our state. Yeah, could be. Well, a new report out today released today on the nation's report card. It looked at elementary school reading at men and mathematic performance. What do we say? Joining us on our any hour newsmaker line is Jennifer Weber. She is the K-12 Education Policy Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and she's joining us on the Rod and Greg Show. Jennifer, how are you? Thanks so much for joining us. Hello, thank you for having me. Jennifer, take a look at these numbers for us. What do you have seen? What I see is that we're in a terrible place as a nation. I think like you mentioned, there are states that are doing okay. But the data that we're seeing from these long-term trends that were released today is really showing that we hit our peak in 2012 and have just gone down since. And I think over the last several years, Even going when the NAEP was given in 2022, there was such a focus on COVID loss. And today, there's still so many people talking about COVID loss. But the bigger problem is that we're not even, we haven't been in a place since 2012 where our proficiency levels were where they were. And they weren't great then, but they certainly are a lot better than they are today. So for our listeners, I want them to know that the national assessment of educational progress, the NAEP tests and scores, are what I think lawmakers in Utah policymakers use as kind of the standard. It's unquestionably seen as unbiased and maybe the best data that we have in terms of the state of play of our schools and our students and where they are educationally. I don't like where we are. I don't see. I don't see these numbers going in a direction that makes me feel like for the money that's spent and for the budgets that grow, we're seeing smarter kids that are going to be an emerging workforce coming out of school. Am I just being negative or do these numbers concern you? No. You're right. They're a huge concern. And 2000, when we last saw numbers as high as 2012, it was just at a time when our state started getting waivers against the law no child left behind. And even though no child left behind had its laws, it helped, the one thing it did was it held schools accountable for student results, especially those students. that were furthest behind. So you're looking at those economically disadvantaged students. in particular. And that is what right after 2012, as these states got those waivers, that went away. So for me, all of the accountability across schools really went away. And the states that I think you're seeing that are doing okay right now relative are states that have taken it into their own hands to at least try to put those measures into place. But what we're seeing today in particular,

I know there's a lot of talk that nine-year-olds made showed some progress, but there's still so much lower than they were back in 2012. So to me, that's not that's not progress at all. 2012 you know we as you point out uh in the summary of this uh jennifer you point out a lot of us point to covid in 2019 you say it goes back to 2012 in 2012 you talk about accountability no child left behind but also in school discipline started decreasing and cracking down on school discipline has that do you think had an impact on this as well I definitely think that that has also had an impact. I've spent too many times in too many schools where you're looking at hours in a day even and then across a week that are lost because students aren't getting the right discipline. The teachers aren't getting the support. They're told to keep the kids in the classroom. And they started using other types of methods. that really discourage any kind of discipline. So as you're having more disruptive students, you're losing a lot of instructional time and the more instructional hours that you get, the more learning that's going to occur. You know, we had in this time, if you go from 12, if you go from No Child Left Behind in the Bush era, and you go to today, in between there, you have the Obama administration's race to the top. We have curriculum that changed. You have discovery math where you don't memorize your times tables. There's less memorization. It's what they call discovery, discovery math or something like that. What we saw in Utah when this new curriculum was being rolled out is that it separated a lot of parents from their kids in terms of being able to help them with their homework or even understand what they were doing. They're getting confounded by third grade math. They don't know what to tell the kid. So my question is, did that change in curriculum and the way we teach some of these core subjects? Did that have a detrimental impact on these kids? I would think so in the sense that, I mean, all of these changes really happened at the same time because it was no child off behind. Then Common Core came into place. So there was a lot of changes that happened at once. But I would absolutely think that that does have an impact because when Common Core that started introducing students to this other type of math that they were doing, there was no research backing on changing to these standards on really, or even really looking at how students learned. And so then all of a sudden, the nation went to Common Core. And for too many students,

particularly your students that were behind, there was no real place for them to catch up. And then I think as you mentioned with math in particular, you started seeing kids having to solve a problem, you know, five different ways, which you could probably argue wouldn't necessarily be best practice. And all of us that didn't have that growing up are the seems to be pretty okay. So there just was no backing or evidence based to say that this is the way that students needed to learn or should learn. And so I think that even as states moved away from common core, there's still a lot of pieces across the nation that still is in place in terms of the standards and the type of. curriculum that they're using. Jennifer, final question. Do we have to have programs like No Child Left Behind or Common Core? Can't we just get back to the way Greg and I used to be taught? We allow teachers to teachers do what they do best. I mean, what would it take to get away from all these programs and just get back to teaching? L-D-E-H. Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legendswithazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void. Prohibit. It must be 18 plus play responsibly. Visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. I mean, that would be the most common sense solution. I think when you've got the, you've got teacher unions up against everybody and all of these other variables at play. But that is what we should go back to, just standard teaching. All the kids would be so much, so much better off. And particularly your kids that are lower economically disadvantaged, those that actually really need the public education system more than anyone. Jennifer, great conversation. Thank you for a few minutes of your time today. Thank you for having me. All right. On our any hour newsmaker line, that's Jennifer Weber. She is with the Manhattan Institute talking about the new NAEP store. I've thought about how many programs are in schools now. Just get rid of them and let teachers teach. And honestly, we've had interviews in the past where we have teachers saying that you test less and you wait more on assignments that AI is doing instead of the kids. Just test. You know, do it. It's not. It's, people think that these were all negative, you know, the memorizing your times table was somehow oppressive and testing is just too hard on kids. It's not. No. I don't know how you test, you know, learning things and being able to answer questions back if you don't have tests. And so I think you got to go back to basics. Get rid of the Chromebooks, too. I think that's, that's been a nightmare. Kids need to write down pencil and paper. You can't, our mind's learned in a linear way. And I think we got to go with what. Either the man upstairs or revolution's given us. Seven times seven is what? 49. See? Yep. That was easy, wasn't it? I still know it. Oh, I do too. All right. More coming up. Rod and Greg with you on this Wingman Wednesday. Seattle's new mayor, Katie Wilson.

She got out there. Earth to Katie, right? Remember a few weeks ago? They were talking about businesses and billionaires who want to leave Seattle, and she goes, bye-bye. Yeah, she said, hit the road. Don't let the door hit you in the way out. Well, guess what? Another one has just said bye-bye. Which one now? Rick Barton, who co-founded the real estate platform Zillow in Seattle. Yep. He's leaving. He's just announced he's joining fellow startup kings, Jeff Bezos of Amazon, Howard Shultz of Starbucks, moving to a low-tax state. It's always been this dirty little secret with all these liberals that were in the tech or even startup industries, whatever they may be. They might have put out this front that their corporation was woke or whatever they wanted to say. But I saw on the state side, if they were coming, if Facebook wanted to come to Utah, though, they wanted to know what taxes they were going to save. They weren't giving away anything. They weren't acting like they were like Liberals Act. They were looking at dollars. They were looking at how much they're going, how much they were going to pay in taxes, what kind of, you know, barriers, regulatory barriers any state would necessarily have. They, like, I guess like conservatives. They were looking at how they would like to expand their business. Well, in Seattle, they just don't, they just regurgitate liberal mantra. And then they believe it. They have no concept of supply side economics or. lower barriers to entry and lower regulatory climate, low tax burden. They don't understand any of that. So I think it's going to go the same direction. It's not only the rich people, the Association of Washington Business, a survey that they did earlier this year confirmed the 24% of Washington employers are now looking at relocating to a different state. 24% of business owners in Washington are looking at getting out of town. Yep. Well, I think the homeless will stay. And so they'll always have their vote. And the drug dealers, because they get free drugs. The cartels are doing well. So they'll stay. They'll get their vote. Let's see what happens. See what happens, huh? Yeah. I don't think any of these cities are examples of best practices at all. I think it's all a nightmare. When we come back, hour number two of the Rotting Greg show on this Friday. A couple of things we want to talk to you about today. One will be that Salt Lake City Detention Center. Apparently, new organization wants to sue them as well along with Salt Lake County, Salt Lake City. Maybe we should just do it. Get in line, huh? It seems to be going, all the rage. We'll talk about that and other things coming up. So stay with it. We are human. What's the line we're supposed to use? Yeah, I think it's 100% human. Guaranteed. No, we're guaranteed human. As if there was a doubt. That's why they need robots in here because they can probably remember that, but we're guaranteed human. Yeah, I think I'm very human. With all your faults. Yes, see, that's how you know. I'm imperfect. I'm an imperfect vessel. I just love picking on you. You're an easy target. You're sure. See, I read your mind. You sure. I don't care. You know what? What? Just makes me me, you know. Just it's just the uniqueness. That's me. Yeah. Because you know what? Through it all, I'm worth it.

Just ask my mom. She had told you. Just ask your mom? Yeah, she would tell you. May she rest in peace. She'd have told you. All right. Gregory's worth it. Let's take some time on the show this hour and talk about this detention center, Greg, and why it is causing such a fuss here in Utah. You have another group. It's called Uphroar Utah. Apparently, that's a new organization. I've never heard of it before, Greg. Affiliated with the Utah Refugee Justice League, which is now threatening to sue. to halt the detention center. Get in line because Salt Lake City and Salt Lake County have already said they're going to do that. I'm not sure what this group is all about and what they're trying to do. Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legends withazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void for prohibitive. It must be 18 plus play responsibly visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. Well, I have it from my sources that Uproar, Utah and the... What is it, the Refugee, the Utah Refugee Justice League. Utah Refugee Justice League are one and the same. This is a, this is, they're affiliated, but what it is, it's an offshoot. It's their campaign or their, the group they want you to look at that's going to sue, you know, against this detention center. But there is no daylight between Upproar, Utah and the Utah, Utah Refugee Justice League. So here, let me, let me just share with you. Should I share with some of the donors? Who's behind this? Who are the donors? All right. Is it to the Justice League or to Uproar, Utah? Well, one. contributes to the other. Okay. The money flows one way and it's all to both. Okay. Okay. But you have the Semomni Family Foundation. Cosros Senomiani. Cosmiani. I know him. He's a nice man. He started energy solutions back when it was in virocare. He doesn't own it any longer. He has his family foundation. They're one of the contributors. Some of these I don't recognize, the Whitney, the Doris and Whitney Foundation. Then you have a couple law firms, Sigfried and Jensen. You have the Holland and Hart law firm. You have Stole Reeves. as a law firm that all donate to this organization, the Utah State Bar.

donates to this organization. You have a credit union, American United Federal Credit Union, donates to this. Rocky Mountain Powers Foundation, the United Way of Salt Lake City, the Larry H. and Gail Miller Family Foundation, and ultimately you have the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-Dy Saints as donors to this Utah Refugee Justice, what's it called Justice League, which also funds the Uproar Utah Organization. And what I don't understand is some of those are community leaders that we know, we may know or do know. The problem I have with all this is that illegal immigration is killing this country and it harms this state in so many different ways that if there are solutions to get people there here illegally to be removed as per the law. And if we don't like the law, change it in Congress. Don't say we can't enforce the law. Change it in Congress if you think it's the wrong way to go. But if you have the law finally being enforced. These community leaders or foundations working against solutions is what I see. And I don't think it's where you would want their resources directed towards. I don't think, look, the size of the detention center. It may be too big. Yeah, it may be too big. These are conversations to be had. But let me tell you right now what I do know. There is a, there's only regional detention center if ICE picks up people that need to be removed, deported. is in Nevada. And there's like for Utah, it being regional for Western states, there's less than 100 beds if that they can send them there. So what would you do otherwise? Let them go. Tell them promise to appear. Promise to appear. Yeah, good luck for that. That's never worked. And so there is a need to have somewhere where people, when they're detained, and they need to be removed, you have to go through the process. You have to have something like that. And we don't have it in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming. Arizona, we don't. So there has been worked by ICE. And this actually goes back to the Biden administration when they were looking for a facility because they need one. We can't be, we can't say no to the whole topic. I think we have to, we have to look and say, we need something by way of infrastructure to remove people that are here illegally. We, we have to have it. Yeah. And, you know, these aren't. people that were just the huddled masses. We're talking cartels get paid to bring people over in mass. You have drug trafficking and human trafficking. You have organized crime. You have it taking jobs. You have filling schools in ways that nobody anticipated. You have housing crisis. You have job. It's all over the place. Well, you can't be against. the solutions being proffered to try and address this. Well, this is what Brent, didn't he used to be a U.S. attorney? He was. For Utah. He's part of the group. Okay. He spoke on this yesterday, and he basically said, look, the government is trying to impose a massive immigrant jail on Salt Lake City without complying with environmental laws, administrative requirements, and basic principles for public health. He said these facilities threaten immigrant communities.

promised to separate immigrant children, playing on the fears, right, and threaten public health. Then they go on to say it could have an impact on the water levels in the Great Salt Lake, okay, big facility like that, could lead to health issues. So they go on with the same arguments over and over again. I mean, you could take what they said yesterday and put it almost into any city that is debating a detention center right now. Now, 10,000, that does seem a little big to me. Maybe we could go smaller, but, you know, I don't know if we've ever asked our listeners what they think of a detention center. It's not being built right in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City. It's out near the new prison, from what I understand, in that direction, right? Yeah, and here's what you're going to need. You're going to need access to the courts. You're going to need access to health care with, if there's, you know, if you need, if there's a medical emergency, you have to have, you can't, in other words. You can't put any of this out in the middle of absolute nowhere where you don't have a workforce. You don't have the airports. You don't have the hospitals or the courts. You've got to have it in some proximity to those resources, namely workforce. You've got to have people that work there. And so it's not going to be on the moon. You have to have it somewhere close. It's closer. That's relative. But you can't just say it ought to be somewhere where no one's ever been because that's just not going to work. So with that said, again, I will join in the debate on whether 10,000 beds is the number we should be staring at or could it be less. Because right now we're at like less than 100. Yeah. So I think a thousand would be 10 times better than what we have now. So I think you can argue the size. I sound like this is the box elder data center talking about here. But to say nothing, to say no, period, no, we don't want any of it. You're perpetuating a bigger problem if you don't have any solutions that we can put forward. And who's looking at whether it's alligator Alcatraz or any other facility that we've seen stood up and put in place because we've got to get people moving because so many, Obama let so many people through over the last four years. You mean Biden. You mean Biden. Yeah, not Obama, but Biden. It can't be left unaddressed. So what should you do? Yeah. See, they don't offer solutions. They just want to say no. Yeah, and no isn't a solution. You know, and no, you're right. No, it's not a solution. And, you know, I think people in Utah, for the most part, Greg, are law-abiding citizens. Yes. And I would think they want something done about immigration and illegal immigrants, people who shouldn't be here, criminals who are, you know, immigrants and committing crimes in our city. That's what this detention center is for. So is this group of people, this uproar, Utah, in favor of allowing those people to walk the streets? And possibly threatening others. Well, by default, they are. Apparently they are. Because if you don't have a solution and any solution proffered, you're going to fight against it outright. Not to lower, you know, strength of scale or anything. You don't want to have any discussion. You just want to stop it. Yeah. I just think you're part of the problem. I really do. And I got, this is a news report just so you know. Upper Utah is a newly formed arm of the Utah Refugee Justice League, a nonprofit organization. They describe themselves as a bipartisan group of concerned citizens who are against converting industrial warehouses into high capacity immigration detention facilities. Okay. Is that their only purpose? So that's their only purpose. That's their only purpose. Apparently. Then what? Yeah. There's my two word question. Then what? Okay, great. You're against it. Then what?

You want to keep the status quo? Because the status quo is not really serving the people of the state. I get it to or this country. No. 888-5708010. On your cell phone, dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or leave us a message on the talkback line by simply downloading the IHeart Radio app. What do you think about the detention center on the west side of Salt Lake City? For Oregon, that's coming up with Rod and Greg. We have seen the video coming in from New Jersey. And remember, of course, what happened up in Minnesota and everything that's going on with detention centers and what ICE is trying to do when it comes to cracking down on illegal immigration. Now we have a new group. They're called Uproar. Utah affiliated with the Utah Refugee Justice League now threatening to file suit or said they're going to file suit against ICE to stop this. Salt Lake City and Salt Lake County have already done it. So get in line. But we've never reached down to our great listeners to get their feedback on this. I mean, I agree with you, Greg. It is necessary to have one of these. 10,000 may be too large. Who knows? But it is necessary. And Salt Lake City is an ideal location for. It is. And when you said Salt Lake City, I said Salt Lake County. It's both. I mean, it is in Salt Lake City and it is in the county as well. So both the county and the city are litigating over this. And now you have this uproar Utah, which, again, is just a newly formed arm of the Utah Refugee Justice League. It's a nonprofit. Anyway, what say you folks on this issue? Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Skip. Who's from Eagle Mountain. Skip, thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legendswithazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void, but prohibited must be 18 plus play responsibly. Visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. Hey, Rod. Hey, Greg. Appreciate your call. Hey, so, um, my suggestion is three locations that have, uh, that are federal and that have unused facilities. One is Twillow Army Depot. So Twillow County. Yeah. People think it's farther away than it is. Okay. Um, Fort Douglas as far as immediate processing for the courts. for Salt Lake County and Camp Williams for Utah and Salt Lake County if there's a there's the federal government already owns the land they already have the resources and they can put and then then they have the additional layers of security because it's a military location But that's just my suggestion. Well, those are good suggestions. I love them, actually. Thank you. Thank you. So, Twila, Army Depot, Fort Douglas, Camp Williams. You could, and you could put them in the three. Look, I think it does. It's not as close maybe to the airport part of it, but I think they're already secured facilities. They would replace whatever they use the footprint of each of these. is pretty, I mean, Fort Douglas, I think he's right in the heart of the University of Utah. I probably wouldn't fly. I mean, hey, could you see all those liberals on that campus just losing their collective minds? That might cause a little bit of an uproar. Yeah. But they are uproar, Utah, at least this is that one group is. But honestly, I like the idea of these military facilities, but that to me would speak to maybe a temporary, you know, some cots and some tents maybe, maybe what alligator Alcatraz is. I don't know if the temporary, I don't know if you could put a permit, permanent structures in the, at Twill Army Depot or Camp Williams. But I do think in the short term, those would be, you don't know anyone's permission. It's already federal land. It's federal camps or military states. Go do it. Let's go back to the phones. We want to go to Salt Lake City. Al is listening to us here in Salt Lake City today. Al, how are you? Welcome to the show. Thank you, sir. Yeah, I'm okay with the detention center. I mean, if you think about it, I don't believe it's just for people in Utah. I'm sure they'll bring in other people. Oh, sure. Yes. It's still going to cost us, but however, it's going to create a heck of a lot of jobs. And that type of stuff. So I think it's a great idea. And I would leave it alone, leave it exactly what they want it to be. And just go from there. I mean, people need to stop complaining because, again, we want to get people off the streets that should not be on the streets, criminals and everybody else. So I think it's a good idea. All right. All right. Thank you, Al. I think Al's, he's seeing it. And I, again, in the absence of any alternative, just saying no.

is just creating, it's just perpetuating the chaos. And it is chaos. I mean, we might, we like to normalize things in our minds. And, you know, it's a defense mechanism, I think human beings have. There, there is nothing normal about ignoring, having an open border for as long as we did under the Biden administration, having all the consequences we've had. Now we have a secure border. We have got to try to reverse course as much as we can. And the time we have a president willing to do the hard work to do it. This infrastructure of detention centers is integral to the removal and deportation of those that are not here legally. If you're saying no to this, this is the western state. You look at the states of Idaho and Utah and you look at Nevada. Nevada has one. They already, they're doing their bit. They have one. It's full. Okay. Okay. So now what do you do? I just think you've got to come up with solutions. You can't just, you don't have the luxury. It's lazy to just say no. Yeah, it really is. All right, a couple of things I want to point out. As I recall, Greg, isn't Governor Cox behind this? Behind what? Support the detention center? The detention center? I believe he is. I thought he came out and said it would create great jobs, perfect location for it. I think he's responsible for this. Now, uproar, this new organization, I think they've said they cannot depend on local and state officials to get to the bottom of this. What's there to the bottom? You see what they're doing. You've seen it play out in a number of places in this country where they're opening up new detention centers. Just go call Ron DeSantis. He'll walk you through, okay? The man knows how to plain speak this entire thing and he'll tell you, yeah, we don't like the illegal immigration. We don't like the crime. We don't like all the consequences. We're helping the federal government. We're helping facilitate the removal of those that aren't here legally. And I want to go back to a question that you posed. I think it was a great, great approach to this. Ask Upper Roar, Utah. I bet there was no reporter. at this news conference yesterday who asked that question. During the Biden administration, Mr. McCocky, or whoever is the spokesperson, some 10 million, maybe more than that. Yes. People came into this country illegally. What should we do with them now? Yes. What do you think that's your solution? What is it? Sit down and talk nice to them and say, now you have to show up in court in two months and we'll deal with your situation. And they never show up. So uproar, Utah, what's your solution to this issue? They don't have one other than let's let's keep them here. And here's a little dirty detail about that whole asylum, just say the word, never be challenged on it and come on in. Those court hearings began to be three to five years away. Yeah. Not months. Yeah. Here, here's a date three years from now, five years from now. Make sure you show up. Okay. Go live in the country, take advantage of everything this country gives you. And by the way, show up in the read of five years. And by existing immigration laws were that they were to be, if they wanted to, they didn't want to wait on the other side of the border, they were detained until their court hearing. That's the federal law that was not being, that was being completely ignored. And they were just letting them in and actually helping them transport wherever they wanted to go. including Utah. It was one of the high destination requests of those coming across. Pretty amazing. All right. More coming up. Rod and Greg with you on Utah's Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS. To hold that detention center plans paralleling Salt Lake City and Salt Lake County. The location of it, by the way, if you don't know where it is or what they're proposing, is 60-20 West 300 South, so out past the airport.

Yeah. Yeah, right, right? So we're getting your thoughts on the detention center, good or bad. You know, it's big. I don't know if it needs to be that big, but we'll have to see what happens. Industrial centers, you know, manufacturing areas should probably better than a neighborhood, probably better than the U.U. Fort Douglas. I mean, Fort Douglas, I like the iron. I'd love to torture some liberals by putting it there at the U of you. That would be, that would just warm my heart. But I think you get a little more blowback at Fort Douglas. But. Look, I think the caller's observation of military sites might be good, at least in the short term, but a lot to discuss. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to you, our listeners. Let's go to Witt in Springville. Witt, thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. L-D-D-E-A. Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legends withazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino. Void for prohibitive. Must be 18 plus play responsibly visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. Thank you. So I've got a quick question to comment. The question you can answer after I get off the phone. My question is, how do you get all these great suggestions from callers to ICE so they can get some feedback? And then the comment is during World War II, the U.S. Army operated a major military installation called the Wendover Army Airfield near Wendover, Utah. So this is in Utah. It's on the Utah side. It would be out of Salt Lake County. And it's probably far enough away that the protesters would really have to make an effort to drive out there to protest. And it would also supply employment to the window over Utah, which has been suffering economically since they don't have the casinos. So that's just a suggestion during World War II. This was the spot where the bombers trained. for the uh you went over where the uh they trained for the atomic bomb mission against japan and they had thousands of airmen that uh served out there in their training so it's a good spot owned by the federal government and we're told not to kick against the pricks so maybe that's a good one yeah that is uh by the way i think What do you do? Just send ice and notes. Say you support this effort? I'm not sure the direction you would take. Again, another great observation and question from a listener. And I think there we, I do think there's a conduit of communication. You know, I got my sources, Rod. I got I got, I got condoets of communication that I could explore that. Yes, you do. I'm going to see because I do think some of these ideas are good. Yeah, the thing about it being too far away is if a lot of these leftists are degenerate gamblers, they'll just be going on the way to Wendover to go to the casino. They'll stop and protest. And then it'll keep going. Well, the detention center they're looking at, the building is already there. They wouldn't have to build a building. That is true. Correct. And they could retrofit it to serve the needs of the detention. And you'd be surprised. Federal law is, it's not like a prison. It's kind of nice. I mean, you've got to have a lot of the things in there that you don't. They even have like certain kinds of shampoo.

Do they? I didn't know that. Yeah, like top shelf shampoo and barbers and all kinds of stuff. You've got to have some amenities for these detention centers. I understand. The food's not too bad either. Yeah, well, you know, it sounds like they get treated pretty well in there. All right, let's go to our talkback lines. If you want to leave a message, all you do is have to go to iHeart media. Download our iHeart radio app. Look for K&RS and look for the little red microphone in the upper right hand corner and leave a comment. Here's a comment from one of our listeners who wants to weigh in on the detention center. Greg, this is an ex-employee or a former employee that retired out of Tuolah Army Depot. Toil Army Depot has some munition igloos that are empty and could be... retrofitted with cots lighting and everything there's a controlled temperature in there there's a fence around it so security wouldn't be a problem so it might be something to look at just a just another thought in line with the previous gentleman that talked about tool army depots so yeah let's use That is excellent. And that's someone that used to work there. And I'll tell you, if you look at the Ron DeSantis model, they had an existing airport, but it was, it wasn't as abandoned. They did more of the tent, but they had that infrastructure of the airport right there. So they built the rest of the stuff up around it. And for fencing or security, they just had the alligator. And then, you know, take your chances. You can swim or you can stay. I think that's a pretty good one. But I'm not sure if I shared this with you when my wife and I were on vacation down in Southwestern, Florida a few weeks ago, staying in Naples, Marco Island. But we went south, of course, and there are signs all over the place in that part of the state. alligator alcatraz this way oh really we're we're about 40 miles away from it we didn't go down there see i don't go there i want to have i want to do a remote show right can you tell corporate we need to get to larmar la mara la la la la la la la go and alligator alcatraz we need to do some remote shows from both locations well you want to the white house too Well, yeah, I'd like to go there too. But I actually, I'd rather go to Maralago and golf and then have the show. And then I want to go to Alligator Alcatraz because I'm just intrigued by that. I love that idea. Back to the phones. We go. We go to Farmington. Ray is listening to The Rod and Greg Show today. Hi, Ray. How are you? I'm doing good. Thanks for taking my call. You know, the people that are against this detention center are interesting. They don't really care where it is. They don't want it anywhere. That's true. And the really sad part is the number of jobs that get created by these projects for the kids that we...

educate here and raise here and you know our kids have to move out of state to get decent jobs and that's exactly the problem with the box elder data center i mean we spend all this money and educate our children and they end up going to college and guess where they have to go to get a decent job out of state they have to leave the state and here's this data center that's going to have tons of high-end jobs for people that have you know, gotten the extra mile to get the degrees and training that they needed. You know, every, as much as I love the trades, everybody can't be a tradesman. And so when we shut the door on opportunities for people that. could get good paying jobs and stay in the state. I mean, Box Elder County, good grief. Can either of you name one good thing they've got going on there job-wise? It's a bit sparse. And I know it really well. Yeah, it's a rural county. They have a good steakhouse, Ray. Come on, let's get back out. Shout out to Maddox. Exactly. Yeah, all right, Ray, thank you for your comment. Ray brings up a good point. Jobs. So let me just tell you that this has felt particularly in our rural communities and rural counties, and that is that the cost of living is high. And the jobs, there aren't jobs in rural Utah. They're just not there. Like, if you want to be a public school teacher or something, you have a job. But they have lost jobs in rural Utah severely. It's why there's the census every time you see those rural counties for the most part are shrinking. But it has to be painfully. One of our strongest exports are our young emerging workforce because we do educate them. They do want to stay here. We want our kids to live in Utah like we have. the cost of living is high and the opportunities for jobs are low. And so, yeah, I think Ray's on to something where you can't keep saying no to everything. You have to got to at least tell me what the alternative is. And it can't be no. It has to be, you know, where would you want that if not here? Where would you have these things? I think our listeners have brought up some great ideas. I'm really starting to love that to Willa Army Depot. I even think the Wendover idea is viable. But what Ray pointed out, I don't think they want it anywhere in the state. Yeah, the people are against it. These people, they're philosophically against removing those that are here illegally. That's their issue. That's what they're against. You're right. All right. More coming up. We've got some more talkback comments and your phone calls. 888-570-80-10. Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Pam, who's listening to the Rod and Greg show in Weaver County tonight. Pam, how are you? Thanks so much for joining us. Good. Thanks for having me. Hey, a couple of comments on the data center in Boxelder County. There are jobs in Boxelder County. I'm in Weber County, but it's going to affect us all. Why don't we put those on already owned state land? And to the gentleman who thinks that all of these will bring us in great jobs for our kids, I have kids here as well wanting to buy homes. As soon as those facilities are built, those jobs are gone. How many of us have dealt with our local?

business development processes where they hand out the tax dollars, the jobs don't come in, they're not good paying jobs, and boom, our money's gone, and so are the jobs. So not a good reason to build a data center. I'm all in favor of detention centers. I think it's a great idea. Let's put the MITA data centers out there too. That's an interesting point. Why not? Combine the issues. Combine the issues. Kill two birds and one stone. I will say some of the, I wouldn't broad brush all of the, the arrival of businesses into the state and jobs that can be created. I would not categorize that as an all-fail. There are many good companies that have come here that have brought a lot of really good paying jobs. Yeah, let's go back to our talkback line, hear what one of our listeners has to say. Rod and Greg, that idea of the Camp Williams and other military facilities is really not a good idea because what happens is you start mixing. different parts of the government together. Retention there is not really the great place for them. Even though it sounds like it's a great place, it's not a great place. they basically need a separate detention facility in order to secure them. All right. That's a thought. Just when I was so excited. Could you imagine at Fort Douglas and at the U campus? I just thought that would be so much fun. But I can see that point too. Let's go to Bob at all. Bob, we've got just about a minute. Go ahead and weigh in on this, Bob. Okay. I agree with you. You're not going to change any of these people's minds and say no. So let them say no, but then ask them, how many rooms do you have in your house? I got a couple people that need a place to stay. That's the homeless. Well, the same thing. Yeah, the detention center, homeless, put them in the people that say no. Love it. Bobby's right. That's been suggested in the past for sure. In the absence of any alternative, which I find few solutions proffered by these groups that oppose everything. I think Bob's point is exactly right. Okay, you take them. You hold them. You do it. Since you don't want anyone else to. Well, like you were saying earlier, what solutions are they offering? You've got to have solutions. It is the laziest thing in the world, and it's like virtue signaling. Look how good I am because I oppose something. Can you help constructively come up with an answer on how to solve a problem? If you don't like this one, I think you're obligated if you're going to speak up to give an idea. Like our listeners have this whole hour. We've had great ideas, at least for consideration. Tell us why. Let's weigh the pros and cons. That is the exercise that ought to happen here. Yeah. Where are the solutions, folks? Uproar, Utah. Come up with an idea if you would. All right. When we come back, we'll talk about the machine. That took care of Spencer Pratt in L.A. That's coming up. Hour number three of the Rotting Greg Show. Stay with us.

All right, let's talk about the California disaster. Folks, I don't know if you can feel the edge in my voice when we get on this topic. Just a little bit. I've worked. I was a campaign worker before I was ever a candidate. I've been through so many different elections. I've watched elections. I've watched colleagues when I served in the house. Very close elections. I've watched this whole mail-in ballot. debacle and the two weeks you take waiting for ballots to come in and I'm just going to tell you 8% down in the way that this person beat Spencer Pratt, it's just not real. No one's going to convince me it is. It just flies in the face of everything I know about campaigns and elections and... the accounting process. Well, the Wall Street Journal editorialized today posing the question is California's election rig. Now, right now, Greg, other than some weird stories, there's no real hard evidence that it is rig. But the state law and their lacks voting rules, Greg, I tell you, just create an opening for it. Now, the question is, is California ever going to change? Here's what Bill O'Reilly said last time. California doesn't want federal oversight. They don't want anybody looking at what they're doing. This is our system. It is corrupt. And California leads the league. Other states have imitated it. Okay, the party in power of the Democrats in California. Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legendswithazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void. Prohibit. It must be 18-plus play responsibly. Visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. And we're going to keep them in power by allowing anybody and everybody to vote. They found a dog that voted out in L.A. A dog. Yeah. And the only reason they found it is because the dog's owner said... my dog voted brought it in it's just ridiculous well joining us on our any hour newsmaker line to talk more about the elections in california and how long it takes the vote what we're in two three weeks now since the vote since the vote took place we still don't have all the votes counted ed ring is a senior fellow at the Center for American Greatness. Ed, thanks for joining us. Ed, you talk about how the machine buried Spencer Pratt. Maybe, first of all, you could describe what you think the machine is. Well, the machine, ultimately, it's a...

It's a coalition. It's people that collect government benefits and people who give out government benefits. And you can divide that into many categories, but that's what it really boils down to. And what you have in California is a super majority of people who either rely on government benefits funded by taxpayers or people who administer that or their contractors or vendors or NGOs that are part of... applying all of those benefits. And of course, it's gotten so out of control that now you have a super majority of voters that want that to keep going just the way it is. Let me frame this for you in terms of this machine. I think you mentioned the voter harvesting, but I think there's something diabolical about the way they have lowered standards, whether it's postmarks that you don't need for late ballots to arrive or ID to vote. What I think raises the eyebrow for me is that this woman that was in third by, she didn't even break 20%. In her district that she represents in Los Angeles, Council District 4, she not only didn't win that district, she came in third in her own district. And yet, somehow, this avalanche of ballots that actually outpaced the incumbent Democrat mayor. uh, show up after the election night. This machine sounds like it is worse than just the, you know, marshalling the support of those dependent on government. It sounds like they look to see what the lead is. They have to beat. And then they go get the votes. And they don't even go to her district to get those votes. Am I, am I just too cynical? Not necessarily. I mean, the machine is a product of the super majority. When you have a super majority, you build a machine. And so they've got poorly, you know, it's all by design, poorly maintained voter rolls, 29 days of early voting, provisional ballots, which means you can register a voter on the same day of the election. And you can give them a so-called provisional ballot, help them fill it out and deliver it for them. Then you have automatic motor voter registration. You have universal mail-in ballots. You have a seven-day post-election grace period for mail ballots to still be counted. And you have this ballot harvesting. And you have county elections officers. They're under oversight by Democratic politicians. And they're staffed by Democratic-leaning bureaucrats. And the people that rise in these bureaucracies are usually the people that are active members of the public sector unions, which are extremely powerful and very left-leaning. Ed, let me tell you, you know, you have these big blue cities run by big blue mayors, and you hear a lot of complaints about the cities from homelessness to drug use, you name it. What is it going to take, in your opinion, to convince voters in those cities that there is, in fact, a better way? Or are they just happy doing what they're doing? Well, that's where Pratt kind of opened up a new front in the whole war against. Basically, you have a super majority that wins when there's government dysfunction. What they have in common is success when their programs fail. Junkies get to succeed. They get to keep on being addicts and the people that...

you know, supposedly are treating them, get to keep on doing that. And the more people that need the help, the more people you've got to hire to help them. And if they fail, you have to hire more people and you have more victims. And that's a business model. And that's a super majority of people in California. So what has to happen is it has to get so bad. that you break the supermajority and that you have enough voters and maybe the voters in Rahman's district are an example of this because they're seeing it firsthand that it doesn't work but you have to have enough voters recognize what's in plain sight and the other front that Pratt opened up was you know and this has just begun is you can now use tools artificial intelligence to create videos that would have cost millions of dollars you know five years ago you know he just cranked them out one after another and they were Just putting out there in such vivid terms what people are supporting. And the more that that becomes visible, the more you're going to break that supermajority, the more chance you'll have to do that. You know, if I'm being completely honest, I really don't care about Los Angeles. I think they're a test case, and so is Chicago, and so is every major city in America, of what Democrat leadership or lack of looks like. And I just think it's a dissent, and I think it's irreparable almost. But what I hope is happening here is that we're seeing on full display an election process that has to look broken to the average person. I mean, you're not going to find a third place candidate that's 8% behind, beat the incumbent Democrat. Because if Democrats vote late, how do they miraculously vote for the third place Democrat late, not for the incumbent Democrat mayor? Is there any chance that the silver lining and all this might be? The rest of the normies in America are watching this play out, shaking their head going to stinks to high heaven, and maybe we look at more election reform in our own respective states. Well, you absolutely have to have election reform. You know, what happens with these laws is you're able to harvest votes. And who are the votes getting harvested from? They're getting harvested from low information voters, people who are unlikely to vote, people who are dependent on government assistance, people are innately conditioned to oppose any sort of reforms, especially if it has a Republican's name on it. And so those, it's not un- likely that you're going to have late votes, which represent all of the harvested votes that got turned in at the last minute, and they had to go through the system because they mailed them at the last minute. It's not surprising that those reflect a voting block that's going to be more inclined to this socialist dysfunction. But I wouldn't give up on cities like Los Angeles. You know, New York City in the 1980s was... absolute chaos, 70s and 80s. Then, who was it? It was Giuliani. And then even Michael Bloomberg, they did a good job cleaning up that city. And so, you know, Los Angeles is a beautiful place. It's just run by people who aren't doing it. They're doing a terrible job.

So again, if it gets bad enough, it's going to break that super majority of voters that like the system the way it is because they're making so much money on it. I mean, look at the land developers in Los Angeles that are politically connected. They build apartments for homeless people at $800,000 a unit. When a market price, even in California, is half that. And in a less regulated state, it's a quarter of that much money. That money is going somewhere. That $800,000 doesn't vanish into thin air. It's going to all the people that got a piece of the action, all the NGOs, all of the developers, the vendors that work for these so-called non-profits that are involved, and all of the permitting, you know, the whole public bureaucracy, everybody's getting a piece of that $800,000. And that is the kind of dysfunction. that will never solve the problem. So what has to happen is the problem has to get so bad that it'll make a difference. And Spencer Pratt scared them, you know, because the problem is getting really bad. And there will be a majority that's eventually going to clean this up. But it might even be a Democrat that cleans it up. It won't be Karen Bass. It won't be Nathis Rahman. They're not going to clean it up. But it's going to get fixed one of these days. From the Center for American Great News, Ed Ring, joining us, talking about how the machine basically took out Spencer Pratt and that said, you know what's sad about the whole thing, Greg? California is such a beautiful state. It was. It was. Well, there's a couple places I still have a partial. Yeah, yeah. But even the place I like to go to, the Pacific Ocean is a toilet. It's a toilet. It's been fixed. No, it's not been fixed yet. The signs are down. It was down for the holiday weekend. It always is. It's shut down all year long except for on holidays. It gets clean. Just so you know, just FYI. But it is a beautiful place to go. But the leaders there have absolutely destroyed that. They have. And look, the people that vote them in. That's their fault, too, for voting them in. That's true. Yeah. But they are shrinking in population. People are getting out of there. They cannot even if the weather and the beauty of California can't keep you there, if your leadership is that bad, you chase them away from that state, that's bad leadership. That's maybe historically bad. And, you know, I love the fact that Steve Hilton is in the race for governor. I think Steve Hilton brings them really, just as we talk about quite often on the show, common sense ideas. He's just saying, look, folks, we can do better than this. You know, unfortunately, I don't think he'll win. Now it could change. Steve Hilton? No. As governor. I have no faith in how they count votes. I really don't. You can't. Why would you? They have set up a system where they don't care how you vote because they only care who counts. Who counts the vote? And who counts the votes? They'll have it done. And you can see it in the recall elections on how many votes they threw out to prevent the recall of that Gascon guy. They threw, they were fine tooth combing, all the different things people had filed. So they didn't have to do it, but didn't have any complaints on how votes were filed against Trump or whatever. It's just a, it's such a blatant, one-sided election process.

And it's not, that's why they have a jungle primary because they'll take the top two candidates. They've never, in their lives, thought it would be two Republicans. They don't even want one Republican. They did it because they knew that in a primary, they could get two Democrats for the November ballot instead of having to. Give the Republicans a November chance? No, they're going to take that away at the primary, go a jungle, because they know they're going to get two Democrats at the end of the day. Now, they did get Steve Hilton through, but he's not going to prevail. They have made it so obvious anymore as to how rigged that system is. It is. And how ridiculous it is. And they just don't seem to care. Sad. More coming up, Rod and Greg, here on Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS. I'm Citizen Hughes. And I'm Rod Arquette. I need to make a correction. We were talking yesterday, Greg, about the Carmelo Anthony story. He was convicted yesterday of murdering Austin Metcalf, sentenced to 35 years. And I mentioned there was a black person on the jury. There wasn't. My mistake. I thought there was Hispanic members of the jury, but not a black person. Someone of color, but not necessarily black. Yeah. And here we have this story today, Greg, about this. Jasmine Crockett. Now, they wouldn't pay attention to what she says anymore. I hope not. She just lost her election. She didn't, so she's not going back to Congress. She's out of her hair. She'll beat her, which says something. But she said today, I would have killed the kid too if he wouldn't let me into the tent to get out of the rain. Oh, she would have killed the kid too. Yeah, that's what she said today. And she said, you know, the knife this time, it was more like a Swiss Army knife. It wasn't that big. It doesn't have to be very big guys if it goes right to the heart. Yeah. I mean. No, the excuses they're making doesn't pass the laugh test. There's a lot of things that I think the left is just, it's like Jedi Mind tricks. They are able to sell narratives that just fly in the face of common sense. And they get away with it. I mean, I'm so tired of Republicans saying, well, we don't know in Los Angeles. For sure. You know, there's some questions. It looks suspicious. No, call it for what it is. It's an absolute scam of an election. There is no counting going on that can give you the results that you're seeing right now. There's no math to it. I'm telling you there's not. I wish we wouldn't tiptoe around it. I wish we'd be more bold. Same thing in this trial down in Texas. We're trying out loud. You have the same talking points coming out of activist who are saying, you know, racism. You know, they can't get a fair trial if you're a young black man in America anymore. I mean, the same talking points, Greg, over and over and over again. And it's at the same time. The evidence, by the way, in this trial, it was pretty overwhelmed. It was. And that's why the jury, and they say that in deliberations with juries like that, it takes a lot longer because the consequences are so stiff. But this one, this jury did not take long to come back because of your point. The evidence was so overwhelming. And that's in the face of all the. PR and the leftists and the media trying to create a different narrative. Let's just take note. The Southern Poverty Law Center, they have been caught paying the Ku Klux Klan to have demonstrations and to do it. And they have been financially incentivizing them. Now, today in a hearing with Jim Jordan, Act Blue, they accepted foreign contributions, which is against federal law. They knew about it and did nothing, not only to prevent it.

but they cashed the checks. And they spent that money in American elections from foreign entities that they were not federally allowed to do. It's against federal law. And they are, they, I don't know if they were going to get punished for it, but it's not even debatable. They broke the law. And the leader of Act Blue took the fifth all day today. All of every single one. Every question. Any question that was answered in front of that panel today, I take the fifth. So the lead today in the media should be. When you're taking the fifth on all of this information and data and proof brought before you, something's wrong. Yeah. I mean, you know if it were flipped and these were Republican groups raising money and everybody pled the fifth. It would be all they would talk about. The left gets away with doing what they're doing. And look, we can say, well, it's our fault because we don't go after him. Find me a judge that's not an activist judge that's a. not busy interrupting what Trump's trying to do on his own, but is going to actually hold any of these people accountable. They're not because they're activist judges that are ready to agree with every activist attorney that gets in front of them. We hear all this stuff. I want to throw in Minnesota fraud. I mean, the evidence is clear. Yes. I think, without a doubt, the top state officials did everything they could do to protect the fraudsters and punish the whistleblowers. Is anything being done about it? I have to wait and see. I know there's investigation. They have referred the state of Minnesota. It's governor and the state for DOJ investigation because there is, according to the vice president, JD Vance, there's clear evidence that they were aware of the fraud. And they just chose to look the other way. And that's ignorance is not an excuse. I mean, there's crimes committed even by the state government there, or at least alleged and turned over the DOJ to investigate. Interesting. All right. When we come back, more of the Rotting Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio 105-9 KNRS. We'll be broadcasting live from Colonial Flag, just off I-15 in 90th South come Friday. It'll be ready for you. It'll be a blast. I hope people come by, say hi. Flag Day on Sunday. This is the, if you don't have a, if you don't have a flag, American flag, or even if you do, this is a year to get a new one. Yeah. It's the 250-year anniversary. Well, the new 250 flags are really cool. So get a normal one and get old glory and then go get the 250 flag. Get both. Yeah, yeah. It's time. Well, let's talk to our good friend Guy Sharaki. We haven't had Guy. I love Guy. If he was in Utah, he'd be the first in line to get a flag. He is a patriot. He is a warrior. He would be the first in line to get a flag. We should invite him out tomorrow and one Friday. Can you make it, Guy? Could you make it Friday? Your night in just got legendary. Get ready to chase the rush, spin, win, and redeem instantly straight to your bank account at Legendswithazee.com. With free-to-play slots, blackjack, quino, roulette, and more. Experience all the thrills of Vegas without leaving your couch. Legends has it all. Legends is a free-to-play social casino void for prohibited. Must be 18-plus play responsibly visit Legends.com for full details. Get in the game now and score a 100% match on your first purchase only at Legends withazee.com. I could, except that I'm coaching softball and we're getting ready for the softball equivalent of the Little League World Series. Wow. Wow.

I love America, but right now, right now my focus is on a team of girls getting ready to start tournament softball. Yeah, but you're a big baseball fan. This is a little off topic, but yeah, I know you're a Philly guy, but how about Paul Skeens hanging out with those little leaguers on his day off? The Pirates ace pitcher spending time with those kids yesterday. Did you see that story? I did. You know, every once in a while, there's that rare combination of people who are excellent athletes and good people. And he appears to be one of those guys. This is why I think everybody, we root for him except when he plays the Phillies. But no, he seems to be a decent, he seems to be really a nice guy and enjoys that role. There's too few of those folks. They're very much appreciated these days. Guy, you wrote a terrific article talking about the Ten Commandments on the left, but let's just get your thoughts. First of all, we had the Graham Platner election, the primary win last night in May, and then we've got the shenanigans going on in Los Angeles with both the governor's race and the mayor's race. Your overall thoughts is to what you see going on with the Democrats in the country right now. Yeah, I think it ties into the column, which is they're on a mission. I call it a holy war. I hope folks aren't offended by that, but I call it a holy war because it's become a religion for them. And I think folks should understand it. I think what we're seeing in Maine should hopefully crystallize it for anyone that hasn't yet reached that conclusion. They're now defending someone. who has in fact a tattoo that is worn by white supremacists and Nazis, who has now had countless allegations of, you know, taking advantage of misusing, abusing, harassing women. add into the fact that he's all but an avowed socialist. And you learn because of the last part, they're willing to forgive the first two. Because at the end of the day, it is about advancing the religion. So I think you're seeing that more and more. That in contested primaries or in blue communities, the loudest left-wing voice, the clearest socialist call wins. It's what happened in the New York mayoral primary. It's how a 30-year-old man that never held a job in the private sector and was being supported by his parents became mayor of New York. It's how the mayor of Portland came about. The loudest, clearest left-wing voice wins in a crowded field. And it's why we're going to have an election this fall between Susan Collins and a socialist who, you know, is apparently confused as to whether he's a socialist or a Nazi or what his views on women are. So, I mean, that's my takeaway is that that's what's happening, which is why it appears in Los Angeles.

That we couldn't even get a third of Los Angeles folks to accept the fact that maybe it was time to clean up the trash, clean up extrament, and empower the police force to keep people safe. It's why now the divide between the two parties is so large. You know, I don't, with our limited time, I don't know if we can go over all 10 commandments, but what I can tell you, first off, folks, if you want to read the column, we have it posted on our X page, the Rod and Greg Show, at Rod and Greg Show. We have guys column posted on there right now, I think we posted it 13 minutes ago. So you can go check it out and read it. But, Guy, as I read each of these, socialism is better than capitalism. That's one. There are multiple genders. That's two. Biological men must be allowed to play women's sports. Three, just abortion must be legal up to birth, at least. Number four, the list goes down. But what I see in the common thread there is every institutional foundation that we have in the United States, these commandments seem to be undermining all of our base foundational institutions. Am I reading that right? I mean, what is it, these 10 commandments of what they believe in? What is the end goal? What are they trying to accomplish here? What President Obama and the former First Lady Michelle Obama told us out loud. They wanted to fundamentally transform the United States of America. I think that many of us thought that that was a throwaway line to a crowd at a rally. And we didn't take them to heart. I mean, sometimes, you know, the joke, gentlemen, sometimes is, you know, when they tell you what they believe, believe them. When they tell you who they are, they are. President Obama launched a campaign to fundamentally transform the United States of America. He traveled the world. largely apologizing for America, for America being imperialist, being an unfair trading partner, being unfair to its enemies, being unworthy to its allies. This is a continuation of it. I think that's the only goal. I mean, Greg, I think you encapsulated it very well. I mean, at the end of the day, it's why I think, you know, a year ago, you and I, you know, the three of us spoke, and I said, I've become a single issue voter. You're either trying to hold up, hold together and lift up the United States or you're trying to tear it down. Their Ten Commandments are about tearing it down. If folks in their minds can think of. you know, the local courthouse with pillars or, you know, a Greek or Roman temple. They're pulling at the same time at each of the pillars to bring the building down. The family, faith, socialism versus capitalism.

genders, science, they're willing to destroy our energy and our economy because there's a climate crisis. They're willing to, you know, a ruin, you know, the very party that fought for Title IX is now undoing women's sports by allowing men to be in it. So there are multiple genders, anybody can be any gender they want. The government knows more than parents. Socialism is better than capitalism. The climate crisis. The whole fight about the border. Greg, look, to me, at its core, the border fight is very simple. You either think that this is a nation of rules and laws, and we have some right to discuss who comes in or not, or you believe that having a border is unfair because it keeps people out because we're a racist, imperialist nation, and we don't want people to come here, which again, I always point out to you and others. stands in the face of the fact that Guy Sharaki, the second generation of Irish and Italian immigrants, is writing these things. We are, of course, a nation of immigrants. It's the lifeblood of this nation. We just want people to come in. So I think you're right when you say that that's the ultimate goal. You know, look, look as far as NATO. The U.S. should only act when Europe tells us to. If Europe doesn't like what we're doing, we should stop. You know, we shouldn't be involved in Iran because it's made people angry at us. I mean, when you look at the writings from the New York Times and you listen to CNN, what do they talk about? We're the laughing stock of the world. Our friends don't like us anymore. As if that matters. As if that matters. Guy, let me answer you a question here. You talk about how those on the left, it is a religion to them, and you list the commandments. Why on the right do we not make it a religion to defend America? I don't feel that passion that we need that I see on the left all the time. Why not? Well, I mean, I have two thoughts that are probably contradictory, so I'm alerting to you. One is I still think the Trump presidency, part one and part two, is largely harkens back to, you know, a conservative founding father, which was William F. Buckley in the first issue of National Review, which was for many times sort of the book upon which we built conservatism. He says, conservatives are the people that run into the room and scream stop. I still think at its core, what make America great again was Donald Trump leading a coalition of people who ran in essentially into the spotlight, into the center ring and said, stop. You're tearing apart our economy. You're tearing apart our manufacturing. You're tearing apart the family. You're tearing apart the First Amendment. You're tearing apart the Second Amendment. You're taking, as to Greg's point, you're undermining the pillars. So first is, I do think in many ways the Trump Coalition, what united us is each of us saw these cracks and saw these people pulling at our pillars and said stop. But second is, why don't we march? Why don't we scream? Why don't we throw bricks?

Because we're the conservative party. We're still trying to hold this together. We get angry when our candidates lose. We get disappointed. Heck, we may even cry when our candidates lose. But most of us wake up the next morning and go to our jobs. We believe in a faith. Again, you know, I hate to keep saying that, but people who believe in faith tend to have something higher that they believe in that grounds them, their family that grounds them. So, Rod, I think that's the second part, which is fundamentally conservative. I don't want to burn my neighbor's house down. I don't want to burn buildings down. You know, I was never a fan of Tesla cars. I'm not a fan now because Elon Musk, you know, supports, like, I don't believe in virtue signaling. I go about my business. I do my job. I coach girls softball. So I think that's the second part as the conservative party. We go back to faith and family and our jobs each day. And as important as we recognize the United States is, and elections are, and the men and women we elect, at the end of the day, we come back to family, faith, and community, and we don't want to tear this apart. No. The other side. The other side, it's 24-7-365 because this is the religion. This is the reason they get out of bed. I get out of bed usually because my wife elbows me and tells me to walk the dogs. Guy, we've got to run, but always great chatting with you, guys. Thank you, and good luck on the softball. Hey, thanks. And so, hey, you should come visit Philadelphia. Philadelphia is the place to be for America 250. Well, that is true. That is true, that is true, Guy. That would be the only reason. But no, I, no, Guy, you and 250, that's why. Thank you, God. All right. Final thoughts coming up. I'm Citizen Hughes. And I'm Rod Arquette. Final few minutes. There's a story today in Actios. Americans' morals have hit a puritanical streak. Yeah. Okay. That's a headline. Here's what they're saying. Fewer Americans say birth control, having a baby outside of marriage and gambling are morally okay this year compared to last year. Well, there you go. The article goes on to say, Americans' more puritanical view of personal liberties coincides with a Republican resurgence, young men rebounding in religion, and, let's see, and advancements when it comes to LGBTQ plus advancements. While majorities still believe birth control having a baby outside of marriage and gambling are morally acceptable, the share who say so has fallen significantly.

You know, I think some of that is just the leftist, hedonistic, anti-faith agenda. Too much. It's playing out. We're seeing the fruits of its labor and we're going, you know what, these movements are terrible. They're harming us. And I think you're seeing the consequences of a lot of things that the left have pursued for a long time. And it's not playing out well. And I think that somehow being a Republican and being conservative and having common sense are actually. exclusive to being Republican or concerned because the left doesn't want you to question anything. They have a worldview of which you are suffering from. It's their right. You suffer from a moral or intellectual failing if you don't agree with every word they say. And what they say, I'm sorry. Everyday American people just won't agree with it. It's just not, it doesn't make sense. And every example you see where it's playing out, these major cities, you can see that it doesn't make sense. Yeah. Well, this will shock you. Democrats. far more likely than Republicans to find abortion and changing one gender as being morally acceptable. Surprise, surprise, right? You know, I'll just say this to this point. Surprise, surprise. You know, there's a website or it's, I don't know what it is, the barstool sports. This is where young people, predominantly young men are enjoying, you know, they love sports. You don't see Dave Portnery who started to get very political, but he said just recently the two. Most insufferable groups of people on the planet are lifetime educators. He means higher ed and lifetime politicians. Both live in a fantasy world that lacks common sense and would not survive in a day in a real world. That's from a sports guy. He's not political at all. So there you are. All right, that does it for us tonight. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family. Thanks for joining us. We're back tomorrow at 4. Have a good evening.

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