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but you know what their standard is 100% uh fidelity and loyalty to everything they want at all times which we as conservatives never get they get they get a lot of rulings they don't deserve But boy, I'll tell you what, whatever Democrat pointed those three that are on the bench currently, you can set your watch. Oh, you know where they're going. Left of center every single time without question. Yeah, yeah. And the other thing, I think the court in a way today, Greg, I know you're very upset about the election day ruling today. But I think in a way the court is telling Congress to get his act together. I would agree with that. Because it's not the Supreme Court or the courts who should set election rules. They should be done by Congress and should be done by local state legislators. And I don't think the Supreme Court likes to touch any of these issues, to be real honest. I'll tell you this. You've got a federal nexus to every single court, every state that depends on the U.S. Postal Service to be a part of their election. process and administration of their elections via delivering the ballots to the voters and then receiving them and returning them to county clerks to vote to be counted, you've now put a federal agency that answers to the executive branch in charge of your elections because they're going to send them all out. So if that nexus is there and it is between the federal government and your state, county and city municipal elections, I just don't know how. A, that works. B, if it does do that, then I think it is up to Congress to be able to put some rules and some structure around that that makes some sense. Right now, I think it's weighted towards those who are inclined to cheat. I think that there is lack of transparency, lack of chain of custody, and that's problematic. Yeah, sure does open the door. You know, and leaving it to Congress, Congress can't even tie its own shoes anymore. I know. Every time they cry about the wars, like, we should be the one declaring where you can't even get ID to vote, which is already law. You can't even memorialize that in a vote. You're going to tell us you're going to be the one to, you know. Profile and courage, declare war when needed. Give me a break. Sure. All right. A lot of discussion this weekend, Greg, about the continued socialist movement within the Democratic Party. And there's a real war going on within the Democratic Party. We've got more elections tomorrow. Some people are looking at Colorado because apparently there's a very progressive candidate on the ballot for governor there, and they're taking a look. And you know what, Zohran Mamdani? Well, Madani over the weekend said, look it. Socialism is what all of America wants. I know. You know, did you see that? That's what they want. They say, you know that constitutional rule about being an American, a native-born American to be president? Didn't hold water.

You haven't delivered. So we're going to go even more radical. Yeah. And we guarantee you if we go radical, we'll win. So I've been, there's a line, there's something similar about a trust fund baby, someone that grows up with such affluence and wealth. They've done nothing. So there's no earned success in her life, really, because all the bait, they've just been brought up. And the welfare kit that's been, that's had free money because of that. You look at these, these voices right now, whether it's Zohran Mamdani. Wealthy parents, you know, he was a rapper before and he was a, you know, he's a performer before he wanted to be in politics. He hasn't done anything that his parents haven't provided. That Graham Platner character that's running for Senate up there, his mom, that his parents bought, you know, he says he's a fisherman. Good thing they're buying your stuff because no one else is. How about James Talarico in Texas? That kid shares a bank account with his mother. Okay. These are people that have not earned success. They don't know the feeling of earned success. Real success. And it's no surprise to me that they would love socialism because all socialism on its way to communism is, is that you don't have any earned success. It's all provided. Yes. The collective provides it all. You earn nothing. Do it all together. Which actually comports very well with the way those characters have been brought up where they didn't earn anything they've got. Yep. So I just think, what a sad commentary about. the state of America, that someone with a straight face can argue that in this country, where we've been, where this country exists and is a lone superpower for opposite reasons than what you're hearing from them. All right. More coming up. The Rod and Greg show with you. We'll talk about the confusion that exists out there about the fireworks ban. What can and you cannot do. Come July 4th, we'll talk about that coming up on the Rotting Greg show on this Monday afternoon, right here on Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS. The ban on personal fireworks, but leaving it up to local municipalities to decide how they want to do this. But there are stories out there, Greg. There are a lot of people confused. They're saying, what can I do? What can I do? What can I buy? What can I buy? I mean, it's left a lot of people. And you know there, we brought this up last week. Well, we did our level best. We had Draper City Mayor Troy Walker on the program to kind of describe the state of play as he understands it. And unless you've heard from your city that says this is where you can do it, or these are the issues, and you're in that state ban. But really, I think we've got a big brain on this. We've got a great state lawmaker, a member of the state house, who can help unwind this for us. He's made some comments that I think are really important observations he's made as a... as a state lawmaker about this ban, and if it's practical or not, joining us on the program. Representative Matt McPherson represents West Valley City. Representative, welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, guys. Thanks for having me back. You know, being a lawmaker, it's the art of spotting the unintended consequences. Sometimes bills sound beautiful, sometimes, you know, executive orders sound flowery and sounds like they're going to cure cancer. They, you know, but there's unintended consequences sometimes. And I think your critical eye is important in this because I think you're spotting some things that might not be as advertised. Maybe share with our audience, this band that we have that the governor imposed, is it going to work? How does it work?

Give us your thoughts. Yeah, thanks. I think it's important for me to point out first and foremost that I do support restrictions on firework discharge, especially during an emergency. I think that's been something that's been kind of glossed over a little bit, maybe lost, and the nuance has always kind of gone from these discussions. Some are just trying to paint me as some sort of cartoon villain at the moment. When you look at the nuance of the actual executive order and how the fireworks are... are sold what the time periods are for sales and for discharge and historically how that works um there's a lot to come to play here that i think um that might actually lead to this particular way in which this was pushed out might actually make things even worse um And so first and foremost, you know, if we look at cities, cities have, and they have for years now, develop these green zone and red zones, the restricted areas or unrestricted areas. They've gone through and made these complicated maps that really describe kind of the areas of their cities, of their municipalities, that they've identified as high risk. and that you cannot shoot fireworks in these zones in these areas, and other areas that they've designated as low risk. And especially in the Salt Lake Valley, especially as you get away from the mountains into the center of some of these towns like West Valley, like where I'm at, that the risk essentially gets very, very low. There's some areas that are so designated high risk, but the general majority of the city doesn't have any real. risk for wildfires especially. And even statewide, fireworks only represent since 2020, only about 3% of all wildfires. And almost all of those were illegal firework discharges. So I think it's important to understand the facts behind all this and then understand that when Governor Cox made this order, fireworks sales had already begun. Many people had already purchased fireworks. And there's going to be some lack of... of information for people to even know that the band's in effect. And so like you said, there's a lot of confusion. My fear is that people will have these fireworks. They will want to set them off. They may be seeing the pressure from the cities or from the counties or from their neighbors. And they may, in fact, instead of. shooting them in the safe zone that cities have designated they may go outside of the city somewhere more remote in order to avoid scrutiny and that would be a very dangerous place to shoot fireworks and so that's part of some of my fears uh representative mcgerson i mean the type of fireworks and you you sell fireworks the type of fireworks how often do they create

you know, wildfires or fires in general. I mean, they have to stay on the ground from what I understand. They can't go flying into the air. What are the current rules that exist here in Utah when it comes to fireworks? Sure. So Utah legalized aerial fireworks a number of years ago, and aerials are, by their very nature, more dangerous. They go up in the air, they explode, they burn. I love it. Yeah, they are fun to watch. And they can be, they can be done very safely. What you need to ideally do is ensure they don't tip over. That's the number one cause of aerials that cause a fire is that they tip over when someone puts them up. If you're buying mortars, for example, from Evanston, Wyoming rather than legal fireworks in Utah, the mortar. tubes tend to fall over and they can shoot off into a home or into a field. But generally speaking, they go up into the air, they explode, they burn out before they hit the ground. But yes, sometimes those embers will fall all the way down to the ground. And with high winds, you really should limit aerial usage in winds and dry areas and conditions. But when it comes to the small ground-based fireworks, more of your fountains, those shoot sparks in anywhere from 3 to 10 feet, really, in all directions. If you're putting it in the middle of your street... Typically, the most fires that are started by fireworks are because of disposal, not because the firework has gone off, but because the homeowners will just simply throw them in the trash while they're still on fire and their garbage camel light on fire. Sometimes that garbage camel light, they're home on fire if they put it up against the house. So we try to make it very clear. And you can talk to the state fire marshals. They've confirmed this as well. The vast majority of firework fires, general fires, come from improper disposal. And when it comes to actual wildfires, it's very rare. I think the Salt Lake Tribune just had an article that came out just a couple of days ago outlining the national... forestry services data on this and they showed that since 2020 it's only about 3.8% of wildfires have been started in that time period from fireworks and almost all of those were illegal fireworks. So Representative, I have a question. You had mentioned that sales for fireworks have been going on or well underway when the state ban was ordered last week. I have two questions. One, are they still for sale? And so is it still legal to buy fireworks, even if there is a state ban? And then second question is, do you know of anyone that's actually, any jurisdiction that's going to enforce the lighting of fireworks, even if there is a state ban? Because I think, one, I'd like to know the status of the fireworks for sale. And second, I don't, I heard some last night outside my house. So I don't know that they're going to be enforced. So enforcement. Fireworks for sale and enforcement, what's the state on both of those issues?

So fireworks can be sold still. There's no ban on sales. The governor took some criticism for that. I think his intention was that he understood that most of these firework companies are small businesses, their family-run businesses. Many of them invested very heavily, sometimes their life savings into this particular year because the way our firework laws work, you can only sell on certain days. And if the 4th of July lands on a Friday or a Saturday, it's going to be a big year. And this happens to be a Saturday. Saturday, 4th of July. It happens to be America 250. A lot of these companies invested very, very heavily into this. And if they don't recoup, there's profits or even their costs, many of these small businesses will just have to file for bankruptcy, I had to imagine. And so I think the governor was cognizant of that and was trying really hard to encourage people. And he did after his press conference, he encouraged people to, to actually go out and still buy fireworks. He told them to go to the stands and keep buying fireworks and hopefully support them and hopefully we'll have a safer shoot window on the 24th of July. But I think there's some concerns over distributing all those fireworks and homes all across the state as well. But that being said, you go to the second question when it comes to enforcement. And this is a trickier question because... If you talk to municipalities, if you work with law enforcement, you know, it's a very difficult thing. When they enforce these laws, they really have to see you light it in order to find you or ticket you. And depending on the year, we have this same problem where people go up maybe on the east benches. pass where the red lines are and they'll start shooting off fireworks and the police will be called out and they'll go out there and there'll be a bunch of people gathered around and they can't fine or ticket anyone and this has been an ongoing problem that we're not sure exactly how to do it so enforcing the restricted areas is best to just simply get people out of those red zones and into the green zones But as far as enforcing the restrictions, that's a really difficult thing. And this is not me encouraging anyone to violate any of the law. I would say right off, there are a number of cities that have actually gone through the effort of reinstituting their maps. So there are places across the state where you can still shoot fireworks legally. But you want to make sure you're doing it in those areas and in the green zones of those areas. Yeah, and protect yourself. Representative, thanks for shedding even more light on this. We appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. On our newsmaker line, Representative Matt McPherson, he sells fireworks, by the way, explaining some of the challenges that this new band presents this year. All right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio 1059 KNRS.

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Thanks for having me. Yeah, I think maybe a birthday, birth month would be fun or mother's months. I mean, if you can get gifts all month long, yeah. It seems that's not what the word is. So I want to say representative. You used to be a colleague of mine in the House, but you're not a national committee woman. I know that you work, I know they have subcommittees. You work on election integrity issues for the R&C. But maybe explain to our listeners, this opinion by Justice Amy Coney Barrett, what did she get wrong or did she get it wrong? Is it fine to count votes for weeks after an election day happens as long as it's postmarked prior to the election? Well, let me start with the RNC is the plaintiff that brought us and serving on that committee. We are engaged in about 150 election-related lawsuits. Most of those, we are the moving party. We're the plaintiff on this. A lot of it has to do with keeping voter rolls clean, removing people who are not eligible to vote. And, of course, we're big behind the SAVE Act and making sure that citizens only vote. and that we have clean voter records. We have reliable systems, reliable voter files. And this is one of the cases. This has taken two years to get where we are. And, you know, even Utah, we just held our primary last week. And there were races that were still not sure for days. And so the court wrangled over what does it even mean to designate an election day is that the day by which individuals cast their votes. And therefore, as long as they're counted later, that would be the majority opinion. Or is election day the day by which the collective electorate makes a choice collectively? And we should know on that day who is going to represent us in the various offices. And the court divided on what that meant. And of course, we... We don't agree with the majority opinion. We, uh, very powerful statements, uh, regarding the dissenting opinions and that, of course, is where we are. We're also looking at, you know, what the court sort of said or didn't say. And, and the majority opinion, uh, was very careful to identify that this was a very narrow question, very narrow scope. Can those balance that that come in postmarked by election day? Can those still be counted? They were clear to say the scope of.

early voting, extended periods of time ahead of the election day, the methods, those are not part of that question. And so we think there's still work to do, and we are doing to work immediately on looking at, you know, the court is saying that election day means, means election day the day that the individuals take an action. that that means something too yeah yeah uh kim the thing that's caught my attention on this and it has as this case has made its way through the courts is you have a state like mississippi which is red as red as red can be yet supporting this idea i mean were you have you been surprised by that Um, you know, nothing surprises. So much when it comes to elections, but you know, you, you have this real outlier, um, example of California. And we're seeing, I mean, some of the craziest things. So where postmarks aren't required and ballots are, are trailing for weeks. after election day, without postmarks. You've got people registering to vote who have never lived in a state. And so we have all kinds of crazy things going on in this country right now. But, you know, even in red states now, Utah just changed our own law that said we're not going to keep counting, trailing ballots. And even as Citizen Hughes is aware, we've kind of bounced the whole... uh, postmark date around a little bit in the last decade even. So we, we finally took a stand and said, you know, we can't have things coming in after, after election day. We need to have some reliance on the outcomes of ballots that have been cast, they've been received by and on election day. So, you know, even in our own red state of Utah, we've bounced around a little bit on that, but finally decided election day is election day. We're not going to keep accepting ballots that come in after that day. So that's a good move. Does this Supreme Court decision compel the state to change that? Or can they, can we, can Utah stay with, we're going to count with what we have in our hand on election day? No, we can stay. Basically, the court said, if your law. um, allows for counting beyond election day. And, and it has some, you know, postmarking of the, the postal system or, or common carrier that, uh, that can identify that it was cast on time. Uh, for us, we have not, we now no longer extend that beyond election day. And a lot of states don't. So, um, and, and in fact, most states don't have, have trailing past election days. So. Good. That's the way it should be, in my opinion. Kim, as always, great having you on the show. Keep up the good work. Thank you for joining us.

All right. Thank you. Thank you. Kim Coleman, Republican National Committee, a woman also working on this issue for quite some time. Just you get the votes on Election Day and you count. Enough said. I do not understand how anyone would be comfortable with the federal government's U.S. Postal Service administering your state's elections, period. I think it's crazy. Vote taken up by the Daughters of the American Revolution. Now, these are people who have connections with some of our founding fathers and people who fought for our rebellion against England. Yes. 250 years ago, right? Yep. Well, they had an important decision to make. The decision was, were they going to allow men who think they're women to be members of the daughters of the American Revolution? I would like to say no, but it might not be the case if you're reading this story. No, and they did vote, no. They voted you can't be a guy. You can be a guy and be a member of the daughters of the American Revolution. I think there's an organization called Daughters of Utah Pioneers. Yes. I hope they're daughters. My mother-in-law was a member because we have an ancestor who came over, my wife's side of the family. But the daughters of the American Revolution said, we're for women, actual women. That's a relief. I actually thought it was going to be the other way around. I thought they were going to be politically. They're trying to save the Republic. Thank you. You like to brag that, you know, you shoot off rolling candles at each other. I used to. In my early days, a couple years ago. Yes, I used to do this. Ever get hit by a BB? Yes. Yeah, I have too. Oh, yeah. It stings. I was a lot younger getting hit by a BB. Sting. Baby guns, yeah, I've been hit by him. Well, a tattooed BB gunman, okay? Okay. Open fire on a crowd gathered in L.A. for the world naked bike ride. Oh, that is awesome. weekend that would hurt so bad especially if you're naked but if you're naked in public you deserve to get shot by maybe maybe not maybe i shouldn't say that two people were injured but i mean that would hurt there is a side of me that thinks there might be just desserts trying to pray around naked i mean naked how do you get a permit for that like that is that is i that's got to be illegal for people to see that they have a massive naked bike ride up in Seattle. That is gross. Yeah. There's a reason clothes are popular. Yeah. Okay? I'll think of comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. All right. More coming up. Rod and Greg. Stay with us. Our number two is on his way.

Three firefighters who were killed fighting fires over the weekend, I guess, on the Colorado, Utah border. What a tough job that has got to be. It really is. And it is. It's risky. And it's really sad. And I think a lot of these fires, too, are man-made. They're not lightning strikes. A lot of these things are just people that... do things. Careless. Yeah. And it costs lives. It's just, it is. It's terrible. Yeah, yeah. Well, let's talk a little bit more because I know, you know, very disappointed. The Supreme Court, I go back to the, you know, the Democrats are out there basically saying, look, the Supreme Court is nothing but a rubber stand for what Donald Trump wants. Simply not the case. I mean, in the rulings we've had of late, the president, I think, is about 50-50. He's getting some things that he wanted. But other things the court has said no. Moto Casino. American Social Casino. Welcome to Modo Casino where the excitement never ends with thousands of the hottest free-to-play social casino games, fastest payouts, and the best promotions in the industry. No tricks or gimmicks. Owned and operated in the USA. Motocasinos are free-to-play social casino. No purchase necessary 21 plus to play void were prohibited. Sign up today for a generous welcome bonus.

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You take as long as you want. You have just introduced fraud, the high potential of fraud into that process. And look, if people, we always want people to get out to vote. It seems to be the biggest thing in the world. I just want people to vote that care. If you don't care, then don't vote in my mind. But if you did care about people voting, having a process that feels so flawed, you might not want to vote just because you don't think your vote matters because you're not of the prevailing party that actually does benefit. amazingly you realize that one party benefits the most from this when it comes to late ballots coming in it's always it's a miraculous yeah democratic party yeah yeah yeah well you and you've run campaigns or you've been involved in campaigns i've got to believe and maybe on i'm in la land on this one gregg but i've got to believe that campaigns are tracking the vote on election day Yeah. Okay. They know what's going on. They have a pretty good sense as to what's going on. So if you've got a candidate running, and let's say the race is close, but that candidate, he or she need to get more votes that that campaign cannot kick in a late vote balloting afternoon and say, all right, we need to have 10,000. We got to get them out. So how are we going to do it? See, I, you know, maybe I'm too cynical, but I just think, you know, the, the American people, I think, are just losing face in their elections anymore. The reason why the Save America Act is going to have a hard time passing in blue states like California, states where they get, you know, where they've become more blue and they've. It's because if you did the Save America Act, you can't, because in California, it's legal to harvest ballots. It's legal. It's not illegal. It might not be ethical, but it is late. Ballot harvesting is where you can go and go to senior centers. You can go anywhere you want. You can go and get ballots for the homeless, and you can harvest them all. Their signature verification is so weak that they have to see proof that it is verifiably not their signature. And that standard is way high. They don't know their signature. They don't compare it to other records. going to accept every ballot they get, but you don't have to be a direct relative. You don't have to be the, maybe the manager of a senior center. You can be anyone and everyone and come with as many ballots as you could possibly harvest, gather together, and submit them all at the same time. That's what's legal in California. Well, if you had the Save America Act where you needed a legal ID to show that you have the legal right to vote, you can't harvest that. Because they have to present their ID to vote. The harvesting ends when you start requiring an ID, and that's the dirty little secret they don't want to talk about. They can get all kinds of ballots ginned up, collected, whenever they need, but they really want to know how many they have to beat to know what they need. But once you allow for harvesting, if you pass the Save America Act as a federal law, that harvesting is impractical, in federal. It would just apply to federal races. So go ahead and scam up all you want your state races. But for president, for Congress, for U.S. Senate, you have to have an ID to vote. Yeah, that would end it for California. They would actually see Republicans doing a lot, lot better in those states if they didn't have ballot harvesting and that low barrier of what's considered a legal ballot. Well, the president spoke to it again today.

And he called out the four Republicans who are the rhinos who are refusing to vote for the Save America Act. The longer this goes on, Greg, to be honest, I'm losing any faith that it's ever going to see the light of day. Well. You know, and I don't know all the inner workings of the Senate and what Mike Lee needs to do to get it in front of people. He's tried just about everything. But these guys, and yet there was, you see these numbers time and time again combined. Democrats and Republicans. 83% of the American people want the Save America Act. Think you should show ID. But we've got a bunch of people in Washington and are going, well, we haven't got the rules. So we can't do it. So there's two excuses that the Senate uses that the Republican senators are using that they say they don't want to get rid of the filibuster. They don't want to be the party that does, even as the Democrats are going to do it. The analogy that Senator John Curtis shared on our program was, if you know, if you think your spouse is going to, you know. cheat on you. You don't cheat on them first. Well, I feel like the Democrats are cheating on us already. However, he doesn't want to get rid of the Philbuster. Fair enough. Do a voice... Talking filibuster. Talking filibuster. Just like the Civil Rights Act was passed under. So that's the 60s. So that's not... We're not talking 100 years ago. Do that. These senators work three and a half days a week. Okay? If you have time to walk 250 miles in this state, you have time to sit there and... do the talking filibuster till you get the votes necessary. We have far more votes for the Save America Act to start out with than the Civil Rights Act had when they began their talking filibuster for that bill that ultimately passed the Senate. So they should be every day working until they, you know, outlast those Democrats because all that, that was supposed to slow it down, not stop. Yeah. You don't need 60 votes to pass a bill. You needed 60 votes for cloture, but you could do the talking filibuster till you outlast them and they could just stall for only so long. Yeah. But that also gives good information. There's usually amendments that come to get people to vote your way. There's some, you know, some negotiations that'll go on. But it was never meant to just the zombie filibuster is, oh, the final of 60, we only didn't have to bother. It was never, that that filibuster was never meant to be used that way. And it is so abused to this day that. I reject any excuse by a Republican senator that says that they're for the bill. I've co-sponsored the bill, but I don't want to get rid of the filibuster. Then the talking filibuster should be what you're standing there ready to do every day. I'd rather see you do that than walk this whole state instead of. And they just don't want to do it. They don't. It requires, and I've seen this at several occasions, it's going to require them to work. Yeah, and I find. And apparently work in the Senate or oxymoron. Yeah, I find it performative and substanceless to want to tell everybody how great our founding, how great this country is, how much our founding father sacrificed, and you cannot stand in the well of that Senate and fight for something as intuitive as, have a ballot, have an ID to vote so that you're not canceling out the votes of Americans that are exercising the right to vote. If you can't do that part, don't tell me about how great our founding fathers were because you'd want to defend that process. They created. Yeah. Well, when we come back, some of your thoughts, if you'd like to join us in this discussion tonight, are you in favor of counting ballots late? The Supreme Court said Mississippi can do it up to five days after other states. Utah, fortunately, has put a stop to that, but other states haven't.

What do you think? 888 570801010 on your cell phone, dial pound 250 and say hey, Rod, or leave us a message on the talkback line by downloading the iHeart radio app. More your calls and your comments. Coming up on the Rod and Greg show. Ballots on an election to be counted five days after the election as long as the ballot is postmarked. Well, here in Utah, we've stopped that, but the majority opinion was written by Amy Coney Barrett. who a lot of us thought was going to be a conservative and fight for conservative issues. But apparently, Greg, she decided not to in this one. Yeah, yeah. I'm so, again, life's a two-way street. But when it comes to these Supreme Court justices, it's never a two-way street. It's, you know, there's never a Democrat president that ever gets disappointed by the liberalism of the, you know, their Supreme Court justice. Yeah. But Republicans constantly are told, we are told that these Republican presidents are appointing conservative jurists. And then they. They pull things like this, and it just always happens. Let's go to the phones. Yes, let's go to the phones. Let's go to Tom, who's been waiting in Grantsville. Tom, thank you for holding, and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thank you. I'd just like to say something about the mail and ballots. They need to just stop and turn it into a national holiday. And nobody has an excuse not to vote except for certain instances where military or whatever. But I seem to recall that in 2024, a bunch of southern Utah ballots ended up in Las Vegas. And that was about the time we decided, I think, that you can't count them. And that could have cost still linemen, the governorship. Tom, you're absolutely right. From Beaver County, those counties from about that part of the state and south, all the way to Washington County, all the way south, every single one of those pieces of mail goes to Las Vegas to be processed before being returned back into Utah to be ultimately delivered. It is crazy. that we allow elections to be run that way. Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to southern Utah. We're talking with Alexis in St. George tonight on the Rod and Greg Show. Alexis, how are you? Thanks so much for joining us. Your thoughts? Yes, I agree. We had that congressional race with Kobe Jenkins and Celeste Malloy that was really decided by 176 votes. And those votes, a lot of which disappeared in Vegas with the late postmarks and all kinds of shenanigans. And so that was frustrating. I do want to speak in behalf of the Utah Election Integrity Network and just say, you know, Utah's not California. We don't need to take days or weeks to count ballots. We aren't, we're not that big. We can. We can get this done on Election Day. I believe in us. We can do it. And just the trade-off there with mail-in ballots, feeling so insecure, I think on the other end of things, we need to make sure that we are securing the integrity of our elections, just like we are securing the access to them.

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Christine Gregor stole the election from Dino Rossi, and it was a blatant steal. They just kept finding more and more ballots in King County, which is a highly liberal county. And after multiple recounts and even death threats to Dino Rossi, Christine Gregoran run. This is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. I remember being there. Dino Rossi, by the way, was a great candidate. Really? Solid conservatives, solid Republican. and had a real chance, that election was taken away. It was stolen. I will tell you this, for a fact, if you are a candidate and you see results on Tuesday, and you're not ahead, you know the number you need to win on Wednesday, don't you? You know what that number is now. You know what the number is. There should be no public reporting of an election. If election day doesn't really mean election day, then don't give it a result until everything's been counted and then give the election results. Because all you're doing is giving them the target of what the number is you have to be. Guarantee you that woman in third place in L.A. mayor's race would have never won in a million years if you didn't know exactly how many votes she needed to get in and win. All right, more coming up. As we discuss mail-in balance, we discuss, apparently election day is no longer, what do we call, election season? Yeah, I think, Kim Cullen, can we have, like, our birth month? So we can have birthdays every day. Birthday every day. Hey, if you can have election day means it's three weeks. Why can't my birthday be three weeks? I just want to have a present every day for three weeks. Why not? Right. I like that idea. All right. More coming up. Rod and Greg with you Monday here on Utah's Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. Did it rain pretty good last night? I didn't hear it last night. Where I live, it's raining hard. Well, we got snow in the mountains, rain down on the ground. We could use it. I'm not going to do much, but we'll take whatever we can get. All right, we're talking about the decision by the Supreme Court today. Basically, you're saying it has to be postmarked, but we can wait for days before we count the ballots. That's going to make trust in American elections even stronger than it already is. Yeah, not. Yes. all right let's go to the phones i love the collective wisdom of our listeners i love to hear it let's go now to read from salt lake city read thank you for holding and welcome to the rod and gregg show Hi, Ron, Greg. Here's my point. Remember during the COVID crisis, how when we had to go get our vaccinations, that we had to show up in person and we had to show ID to get it done? Uh-huh. I tossed out the idea, well, why don't they just send the vaccines out to us and send us a letter and say, check if you actually got someone to give you the vaccine. Yeah. And it's, oh, you can't do that. I said, well, what's the difference? And silence. And I brought that up every time somebody brought that. I think mailing voting is a scam to get people to vote in groups or to be co-worse to vote for Democrat candidates. I mean, people can say what they want, it's also not a private ballot anymore.

You're exactly right. I like Reed's observation because it's the left that really pushes this. We want to unsolicited mass mailing of ballots to everyone. Yeah. Okay. And we're going to have, and it's going to get U.S. Postal Service going to handle it for half the state. They're going to take them out of state. To Vegas, they're going to stamp them 100 times, bring it back whenever. They're not subject to any of our state laws. They're a federal entity. Well, that's, that is the weakest chain of custody and non-transparent process. I don't know for our democratically elected republic. But then you go to COVID, the same left has said, you got to go get a medical procedure. You got to have ID to show who you are when you get it. Then you get the medical procedure. It's going to give you a certificate. And with that certificate, you need to have your identity attached to go to a supermarket, to go into a public place, to go anywhere. How on earth can the same voices say that you don't need anything? To vote as, you know, for our form of government, for whatever office that you're voting for, you don't need anything. But for COVID and for vaccinations, you had to have more than just an ID. You had to have a ID, a doctor's visit, a procedure done, a certificate given, and an ID attached to that certificate to do some of the most basic things like go to a supermarket to get something to get food. Yeah, yeah. Do you know in the new Barack Obama library, you have to show voter ID? Or just a public, a legal ID? Just a legal ID, I mean. To get into the building, you have to show a legal ID to get into Barry's new library. Well, you did yet to go to the Democrat National Convention. You weren't walking in there without an ID. No. You had to have an ID on your credentials supported by your ID. We went through that at the Republican National Convention. Yes, he did. I wasn't offended by it at all. Democrats, they want that same process for their convention, but not to vote. Yeah. Not to vote. Yeah. Tell me, I mean, it's just. To me, the delay in counting the vote just creates that perception that things can change. There can be fraud. There could be trickery. Whatever you want to call it, Greg. Something can happen if those ballots are not counted that day. Election should be over. Babe, did you see that Moto Casino is giving a 1,776,000 worth of prizes? That's why they're called America's Social Casino, celebrating the birth of America bigger than anyone else. You can win incredible experiences at NASCAR and F1 races and a grand prize of 1 million sweeps coins. So what are you waiting for? Spin now on Moto Casino. Download the MotoCasino app today. MotoCasinos, the social casino board where prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit moto.como.

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It's too much. We're giving away too much. Yeah, we are. All right, more your calls and comments. 888-570801010. On your cell phone, just dial pound 250 and say, hey, Rod, or leave us a message on our talkback line by again downloading the iHeart Radio app. More your calls and comments coming up here on the Monday afternoon edition of the Rod and Greg show. A little a patriotic note, Greg. Residents in the small Massachusetts island community. I guess it's called Plum Island. Okay. Little Island, right? Little shocked and a little furious after learning from town officials, they will not be able to fly American flags to celebrate the nation's 250th birthday. Why? Talk about H-O-A? Is that an HOA? No, no. They're not very dangerous. This is just stupid. You ready for this one? Yeah. The folks homeowners received a letter from the town of Newberry, warning them last week that it had become aware of multiple devices and materials intended to deter protected shorebirds. from frequenting beach and dune systems so apparently the flags bother the shore birds no is this a long-standing policy or did they dream this up on the eve of the 250 year anniversary i don't think it's been around i think this is uh i think this is brand new wow you know I want to go to Zillow and see what a house is for sale there because I would move. Yeah, one person says, are you serious? Town is, you're telling me I cannot fly American flags on my property to celebrate America 250. Pointed out that 10 miles of open beach free of houses where the birds can frequent. But apparently, flying the flag is going to scare the birds. Well, I hope there's some red-blooded Americans in that town that want to test that out. I would just put my flag out and say, okay, city, come, come, come, come get this. Come and get it. Yeah. You know, we've heard that before. Come and get it. It's just, I mean, some town, I mean, to protect a shorebird, how many shore birds are there? Not enough to tell you you can't fly an American flag ever, let alone on the 250 year anniversary of the 4th, on the 4th of July. Give me a break. Yeah, well. That's Massachusetts. You know, I was born in the morning, but not yesterday morning. I'm telling you, that's a, that's a scam. Yeah. It's an obvious scam. Yeah. They probably vote by mail there, too. Yeah, yeah. All right, another hour coming your way. We're going to talk about a subject that is near and dear to the hearts of Mr. Hughes. That's visiting our national parks and monuments and what he's being told about him. Yes. That's coming up. And by the way, tomorrow, we'll be here tomorrow. You want to listen tomorrow afternoon. We'll have all the reaction in the Supreme Court, two big rulings tomorrow, one on birthright citizenship, the other one on an Idaho and West Virginia law that does not allow boys and girls' bathrooms or in sports to begin with. The court will announce its opinions. Usually come down, Greg, about 8 o'clock hour time tomorrow, and we'll have all the reaction and your reaction to it.

As well. All right, hour number three coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio 105.9, PNRS. A great Fox News special, Why We Love America. That's coming up on Wednesday. Thursday, of course. We've got some great Fox programming. IHeart Radio, they take over Friday. And a lot of, and oh, a reminder. Typically, we run a Best of Glenn Beck Show on Sunday morning from 7 to 10, where he normally airs. But he's put together an American history special. Oh. And three hours of that on Sunday morning. So as you're waking up, and depending on what time you get up after the fireworks, you'll be up all night. I know you will be. I'll be having fun. You'll be having fun. If I get up and let's do it. Yeah, big, big, big holiday. Now, let's talk about museums and national parks, great. Yes, let's. I've always thought that these are meant and set up for us to celebrate our history. Kevin Warsh and all, but to celebrate our history. But there are some who would like to make it all about how bad America is in these historic places. I'll get it. It would be like going to the book depository in Dallas where... JFK was assassinated outside where he was assassinated and talk about how bad Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is. He said about the events that happened that culminated into the assassination of a president without regard to party without regard to policy. This is where this happened. Somehow the left has actually taken hostage, our sites, our museums to push a narrative that does not, I think, relate with the history itself. You've had personal experience with that. You've been to the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Daily Planza? Yes, I have. I have too. And it was, it's just kind of weird. And I went to the bookstore, the book depository where you could put headphones a long time ago. Yeah. And listen to the, like the news reports as it was happening. And it gives you almost a sense of being there the way it was being shared through that tour. And it's a humbling experience. One, I'll never forget. I did this in 1993. Wow, that's a while ago. It was a while ago. And I still remember it. When I was back there several years ago, I took my sons down to see a Cowboys game. We were there a couple of days earlier. I said, let's go see it. And my wife and I had seen it before. I think it was so freaky about that. They haven't acted in the highway where the fatal shot, where he was in the fatal shot. That's just kind of. It is morbid. But I'll tell you what, that is an interesting experience. I was a partisan. I was the editorial editor of the school paper, UVSC then's paper, editorial editor. And I did not give a wit what the party of President John F. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was. I was torn, and I was saddened and greed by that assassination. Well, and you had it right. Today, they probably have a sign up there saying John F. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was a bad man. If you followed this leftist like him, though, so they probably wouldn't. But if you followed the suit example of what they're doing to the rest of our sites, our historical sites, yeah.

That's what we do. Well, joining us on our newsmaker line to talk more about this is Curtis Shubi. My fellow, America, this July, we're celebrating America's birthday at Mota Casino by giving away $1,776,000 in prize. And one lucky winner is going to take home $1 million SC. Happy 250th birthday, America. You're welcome. Download Moto Casino today. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casinos, the social casino board. We're prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit motto.combe, for more details. These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with Iheart, everything you hear is guaranteed human. That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make iHeartMedia a part of your 2026 plan today. Call 844-844-I-Hart. Again, that's 844-844-I-Hart. Curtis is executive director of the Council of the Modernized Government. He wrote a great article about the NGO's influence on our National Park Service. Curtis, thanks for joining us tonight. What kind of influenced do these NGOs have on how our national parks are presented to the American people? Well, I'd like to start out by giving an example. So I'm from Pennsylvania, and when I first moved here, you know, I was really excited to go see you the Liberty Bell. But when I got there, I expected to see, you know, Independence Hall, the first presidential house, maybe something about the signing of Declaration of Independence or the Second Constitutional Convention. But what I saw instead was exhibits about slavery or women's suffrage. And they were making the point that, you know, while liberty is great, these people didn't enjoy that. I didn't really learn anything about the site at all when I was there. It was just this progressive messaging, and I was really disappointed. So if you've gone to a national park or a national monument in the last decade or so, you've probably seen something like this. You've noticed messaging around race or gender, climate change, or other topics, rather than what the site actually about. And I want to acknowledge, too, that slavery and women's efforts, those are... legitimate issues for us to talk about. But when you're at the site of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, that's really not the place. So if you look at other examples like Yosemite, you might see climate change messaging instead of, you know, talking about the beauty of where you're looking at, or using a Utah example, the Golden Spide National Historical Park, you might want to see the Transcontinental Railroad things, but they talk about the mistreatment of the Native Americans. What we're finding is that this is a problem that's kind of generated from NGOs, non-governmental organizations. So while President Trump is, you know, ordered an evaluation of the signage, we think that he needs to go further and really take a shot at the root of the problem, which is these NGOs.

I took my family to Washington, D.C., so we're at the American History Museum as Smithsonian, and they have Roger Staubach, and they have Muhammad Ali, and they don't want to talk about them in terms of their athletic accomplishments. One was served in the Vietnam War, and one protested it, and it's all about that. It actually is missing the point of two of these athletic historic figures in the United States. So I hear what you're saying, and I came back appalled, but let me ask you. uh is secretary Scott Bessent i've heard he i've heard comments from him that he the treasury they're scrutinizing somehow with some lever uh these NGOs do you see are you hearing anything or believing that there is a way to cut off these NGOs from having this undue influence that's really anti-american So to his credit, he is doing that. You know, President Trump has acknowledged the problem, too, with an executive order that kind of kicked off that process by the secretary. But, you know, again, it's more of an evaluation of the signage. You know, they are reviewing them and taking down bad exhibits. But the reason those exhibits exist is really what needs to be addressed. And what you're seeing is you're seeing these NGOs, which are kind of operating in the shadows. which have a strong influence on the national parks. But people don't know that. Curtis, have the courts now stepped in and told Trump he can't do what he's trying to do? I mean, even the courts are stopping us from recognizing some of the accomplishments we've made in this country, aren't they? Yeah, and isn't it fun when you have a judge in Massachusetts who's able to influence something happening in Utah? But thankfully, the First Circuit did stay that. So hopefully we can not be ruled by that one judge in Massachusetts. So, again, I go back to, it feels like it's a plague. It feels like it's in every corner of our country in terms of tearing down our institutional foundation. Trump's term. I mean, it's not going to be forever. And if we, so where does it go from here generally? I mean, is the bloom off the rose? Do we never talked, I never talked about NGOs like we talk about them now. I never saw their fingerprints on everything like we see it now. Do they ever get back to where they were with the kind of control and unaccountability they had? Or are they going to go back to that once you get, once President Trump is no longer the commander in chief? You know, it's going to take a sustained effort. I acknowledge that. But, you know, steps can still be taking during this term to, you know, move toward the right direction. You know, so you can address these NGOs by taking away their funding, for example. Or you could create executive orders that give guidance. to the national parks on, you know, what type of exhibits should they be having and what type of exhibits should they not be happening? Or maybe they can even, you know, evaluate whether some of the national parks should be even be national parks. You know, you have like the Stonewall National Park that kind of celebrates violence, right? Yeah. You know, so maybe those types of steps can be taken, you know, it's not going to fix the problem. The next president, if, you know, if it's not someone who aligns with Trump.

could redo that. But, you know, at least they'd have to take that proactive step rather than, you know, leaving them the status quo. Curtis, what of these NGOs got against America? I mean, you know, are we that bad that they have to tell every wart? We know we've had problems. We've known we've had challenges. But why is it so important for them to show every wart that America has? Ten hours on my feet, traffic, noise, everybody needs something for me. My head is spinning. I just need the world to stop for one second. But then I get home, shoes off, phone out, and I open Modo Casino. Hundreds of slots. Classic table games. It's my instant reset. The variety I want and the quiet I need. Moto Casinos, the social casino board were prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit motto.us for more details. Download the Moto Casino app today. Must be 21 plus. These days, it's getting harder and harder to trust what you're seeing. Who made it? Is it real? But with iHeart, everything you hear is guaranteed human. That's why 78% of listeners trust their favorite radio hosts product recommendations. And if you own or manage a business here or need to drive sales, that trust goes a long way in creating your future customers. Make iHeartMedia a part of your 2026 plan today. Visit iHeartadvertising.com. Again, that's iHeartadvertising.com. Yeah, so I think unfortunately for them to achieve their role view, there has to be some level of undermining what we should be celebrating, right? Like if we don't understand how to value what we are as a country, then we don't understand what we're losing if it goes away. So in time for our 250 year anniversary of this nation, have they already accomplished what they set out to do? In other words, are we ever going to feel the kind of patriotism and gratitude for our country the way we would have absent the work they've done to undermine that? Have they already succeeded? You know, my hope is that America 250 can be more of a launching pad than an event. You know, I hope that, you know, like, for example, I hope that another executive order can be, can follow addressing these NGOs. You know, there's a lot of different ideas that they could do, I'm sure, to help, you know. promote American idealism and to celebrate our country. So, you know, hopefully this entire year can be a process or maybe even the rest of his term. It doesn't need to be just this one day. Curtis Shubi joining us, Executive Director of the Council to Modernize Government, talking about how NGOs are influencing our National Park Service and what they're displaying under various sites around the country. Could they just leave it alone, Craig? Do they just have to make a mess of everything? They do. Because it's not...

It's not making the mess. They honestly want to destroy our foundational institutions. They do. And so they never want you to see it in the context in which it happens or the place that it is. They want you to, they just want you to say all this was done because of greed, because of trying to harm individuals. I mean, they just want to demean everything that's great about this country on purpose. The whole narrative out there now is the oppressed. It's it. The oppressed versus the oppressor. And white America is the oppressor. It's like I said, we said before. It's by virtue of our gender and our color, we are the oppressor. And there's no way out of it. There's no meritocracy. There's no anything. No earned success. You're just, you're in that category. You can't get out. All right. More coming up, the Rod and Greg show with you on this Monday afternoon evening now on Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS, the 75 short week for some people. For me. Well, for us, it is. We're only working two days this week. Yes. Yeah. We're going to go, I'm going to start. Yeah. You haven't commented on my patriotic shirt today. Wait, I really don't consider a patriot. On the back of my shirt, ladies gentlemen, it says the sounds of freedom. It has Navy jet fighters flying in San Diego over the back. You saw the back of my shirt. And what's my hat have? American flag. Well, that's true. I'll give you credit for the flag. But the shirt, nah. What do you mean? Nah, this has got the sounds of freedom. It says the word freedom on it. It's got the Navy jets flying across it. I'm looking for red, white, and blue, baby, and it ain't red white. Well, you know what? At least I try. What are you doing for the cause? Okay. Where's the red, white and blue? I don't even see, I don't see the flag. I see nothing. I see nothing. You may as well just hate this country. Oh, wow. I've committed to this audience. You committed, but did I commit? Every single day since I felt the wave of it at Colonial Flag at that live remote that every day I would be exhibit, I would be have something on that was, you know, celebrating America. I've done this and you have just been nothing but judgy. You just judge me. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying. I got sounds of freedom and they're not talking about freedom, you know. for you know i don't know what talking about freedom american freedom and it's got jets on the back of it and that that justifies it it does with my red hat with an american flag now i will give you credit for the red hat with a nice flag on it okay and when are you going to get in this you got one day left okay to like wear something patriotic you made the pledge i didn't well don't you want to be patriotic sure i want to be but i'll be patriotic leading up to the big day Our listeners would like to know that you care about this country. Are you going to go to a parade on Saturday? You better believe it. I bet your life on. I like parades. Oh, I love Fourth of July parades. Especially Fourth of July. Yeah. And you'll be down there. Do they do something in Coronado? Big time. Do they? Big time. Boy, you've got the military base. You better believe it. And it's a big Navy town. Yes, it is. They're patriots there. They're like. Well, they used to be. Yeah. It's still not bad. It still feels like Mayberry. It's still is concerned. It's like a little. island of conservative just actually just normal patriots now that's not conserved now uh in that sea of

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Well, you don't when it goes up as fast and as hard as it did. But I'm all behind the president. You know what? Get after those guys. We've been ranting about this and talking about this on a show for a very long time. I think we, especially in Utah, are captured markets. 75% lives in this flat, contiguous four counties. The transportation costs aren't hard. They're not high. It's a highly concentrated area of an entire state's population, 75% in four counties. It's 130 miles long in a valley. And we pay more with seven refineries and with oil wells and UNA basin, then Colorado pays per gallon with none of that. They don't have any of that fuel infrastructure, and they pay almost a dollar less a gallon than we do. So I'm against that. I oppose that. Yeah. What's the last time you filled up? I think mine's a couple days ago. It's still $4.15 a gallon. Yes. Yeah, I'm paying easily in the fours. Yeah. But we drive the premium. What did I do? I went somewhere where I knew I was doomed. I think it was like Chevron or something because they're a little higher. Yeah, they tend to be. Yeah. That's going to be a lot. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, look, I think prices are going to come down. And I think I am tired of. Iran, we saw other action. Iran's breaking that ceasefire deal. They're doing things they're not supposed to do. I don't know when this president loses his patience or we stop trying. And they've struck back. America struck back. But this little song and dance better get resolved by mid-August because we got the midterms coming. And we don't, if I'm to believe the president in this administration, we have the firepower, the will, and the ability to end Iran. when we want to. And I'm telling you, if we're not at that time, it's got to be coming soon because Iran's doing nothing, I think, to, I mean, they keep violating their agreements. Yeah. So anyway. They'll play that game. We'll have to wait and see. We've got to see that. We've got to see some resolution to that. All right. More coming up, the Rod and Greg show with you right here on Utah's talk radio, 1059, KNRS. At knRS.com and leave us a message. I love both. I love talking to our audience on the phone, but I also love the talkback comments. And people love it. I mean, people do love it. All right, we were just talking a moment ago before the break about the president. He's a little angry at gas retailers. Yes. Just slightly. Price is jumping. It has gone up, is slow to come back down, and he'd like to see the price come down as quickly as it went up. I mean, if we're going to move on the news, well, we're not even at the news on $6.8 a barrel. That sounds like that's not a rumor or news. That's actually happening. So he'd love to see those prices come down faster than they already are. Well, here's another way possibly to bring gasoline prices down. We're talking about the 2005 Energy Policy Act. getting rid of it. Joining us on our newsmaker line right now is Jared Whitley. He is principal of Whitley political media talking about that. Jared, how are you? And welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for joining us, Jared. Doing great. Have me back. Thank you for having me back on, guys. Let's talk about this 2005 Energy Policy Act. What is it exactly, and why is it so detrimental in your opinion?

Okay, so put your mind back, if you can, 20 years. The Iraq war was affected gas prices. The idea of electrical vehicles was perhaps new. And people were thinking, what are ways we can help close the environment and the energy? And so one of our energy situation, and one of the solutions that. Maybe it was well meaning of times probably a bad idea. And it's a technically bad idea in retrospect. What is the 2005 policy policy policy act, which introduced the renewable fuel standard, which created the idea of let's try to create ethanol. Let's try to figure a way to cram corn into our cars. And this has had, now we have 20 more than 20 years of experience. We know this has had a bad impact. It has been bad for gas prices. It's been bad fiscal policy because it's just writing more checks. to Iowa corn farmers for no good reason at all. And it's actually, I don't go into this in my pieces that I've written about it, but it's actually been bad environmental policy as well. The reason I wrote the piece is there was a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation, which found that the RFS adds 20 cents per gallon at the pump. And there are some additional requirements that may be coming in the line, which unless they're backed out, would add another. 27 cents per gallon. So that's, look at how much you're paying for gas and think, wouldn't it be nice if we were paying 47 cents less for that? So that's the thing that we need to do. It's renewable fuel standard. Okay, baby, it was a nice idea at the time. We know now it's a bad idea. We need to get rid of it. So I agree with you. 2005 called they want their energy policy back. We're not, we're 2026 now. So climate change. You wrote this in the article and I think you're right. It was starting to draw maybe even a bipartisan support. Like I think maybe we are the problem here. I think it's since been proven or at least I don't think there's as much. I think people see the fixes in and how many people, how Al Gore and others made so much money on this, on this narrative and hasn't made a whit of difference. The other issue, though, that this is one that's really interesting, is we wanted to lower our dependency on foreign oil. So put more corn in that car because then we don't have to buy so much oil overseas. But you fast forward to today, according to President Trump, if you had, what is it, Venezuela with the United States, we have larger reserves than the Middle East and Russia. So we are the global superpower now for energy, gas and oil and gas, coal. So that has changed, too. What keeps this energy policy alive? It doesn't make sense on either, whether it's lower your dependency on foreign oil. We don't do it. And climate change. It's not a thing. So why do we still have it? So the status quo.

cannot be filibustered. The status quo cannot be vetoed. The status quo just sort of sits there and it takes an enormous amount of effort to overturn it because you have to have the political will to push back on something. that is already benefiting someone. And this, they don't want to be cynical about our political system that, because cynicism doesn't really improve anything, but something more right to be cynical about, it is the Iowa caucuses. I just wrote that down. Everybody in Congress. Oh, the Iowa caucuses. Yeah. I was just going to ask you that. I wrote it down to say, I want to know, what about these Iowa caucuses? Could this be a part of it? So keep going. Yeah. So for some reason. It was decided decades ago that Iowa and New Hampshire should determine the fate of the country. And everybody in Congress, when they run for president, they want to be able to go to Iowa and said, I did my part for Iowa farmers. And so anytime you, you, and that's why we have this outrageous attention toward, we have to feed everything to corn. That's why there's hypercust corn syrup in your soda instead of sugar. This is why. This is why we have this crazy idea of let's turn corn into gasoline. I don't know if the three of us can get rid of the Iowa causes, that would be great if we could. Let's start with the renewable fuel standard. Jared, what about, I mean, aren't there other uses for this corn that they say goes right now to fuel? I mean, aren't there other uses for corn where these farmers is a very strong lobby could make as much, if not more money with other uses of this corn? Certainly. It seems like, you know, Calvin Coolidge says the business of America's business nowadays seems like the business of America is corn, right? I'm sure they can find other things to do to do with it. It's also, though, like this was sold as like it was somehow better for the environment. And of course, in 20 years of study, we know that it isn't because there may be less. garbage coming out of the back of your car, if there's some ethanol in it. But that means the garbage is coming somewhere else. That means you're spending a lot more water on corn stuff that you don't need to spend when you're just getting oil out of the ground. That means you're having to use more pesticides and everything. The environmental impact of ethanol is worse than the environmental impact of normal gasoline and diesel fuel, right? There's no good reason to hold on to this. Except just that the status quo, like I said, it's difficult to get rid of. So you estimate potentially 47 cents a gallon could be taken off the cost of gasoline if we weren't using ethanol. Do people have their heads? I didn't have my heads around that kind of savings. 50 cents is 47 cents is a lot of money, especially as you see the prices climb. It seems as outrageous as Americans are about the price of gasoline and how that impacts their pocketbook. you would think this would be a bulletproof policy to advocate for in Congress.

Yeah, you think of what? That's why I'm trying to draw attention to the issue. As far as I know, there aren't any bills that are exactly pushing against us right now. This may be the kind of thing where the president issues an executive order and that provides some temporary relief and then some good members of Congress put together, a coalition and try to make that permanent to undo this renewable fuel standard. But one thing is for sure. Republicans like to think that we do better on energy than our counterparty, right? And right now, that's not the case. There was a CNN poll this last month that said his disapproval on gas prices was 76%. And the worst that Joe Biden's ever was is 72%. So this is an issue where we, there's no reason to see ground. There's no reason. that we should let this continue. We shouldn't let the American people say that we'll let gas prices get out of control like this. Jared, do you see any hint of momentum in either chamber of Congress to do away with this? Any hint of momentum at all? Well, that's what I'm trying to start, and I appreciate your help as we're trying to get some attention to this so that someone will start this in Congress. Again, it's very difficult for someone in Congress to say, hey, I'd like to stand up to subsidies to Iowa corn farmers, but we need to do that. We need to start doing that. We can't let the status quo break the bank for normal American family. So the Managerial Policy Research Foundation study, they said that, The average family of four is paying about $734 a year and hidden costs on the renewable fuel standard, right? That's just that much more on what they're already paying for gas. So if we can, if we can rid of this, you help people at the pump, can. work against inflation and hopefully can help Republicans survive the midterms. I think most Americans would feel unfair for getting rid of this. Jared, thank you. Yes, very much for joining us tonight and good luck with this effort. Thank you, Jared. My pleasure, my friend. Thanks for having me. All right. Jared Whitley, he has the Whitley political media and talking about the 2005 Energy Policy Act and just getting rid of it. Amen to that. Yeah, I'll say. Yeah. But fight that corncock is up there in Iowa. Like you pointed out, our food supply chain, I don't think is robust. I think we need these farms and we need it for food. I do. I think we need to be less dependent on food from overseas. We need to. Bring on the corn. Well, corn is such an important crop and has so many uses. You don't need to put it in your car to run it. We need a good, robust food supply chain, and I'm telling you, corn should be part of it. It shouldn't be a loser for farmers at all. More coming up. Final segment of the Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio 105.9, KNS. Sixth. You know, he just had to do it. He just, he can't contain himself on issues like this. Who?

Barack Obama. You ready for this? He now says that leaders like George Washington, which help build the nation, while also owning slaves, calling that contradiction a deep flaw in the heart of America's founding. He just had to say it. Yeah. He just, yeah, he goes this. He goes, I think sometimes we get confused in thinking that these two stories are separate. They intertwined, right? Which is why it's possible for me to be a great admirer of George Washington and also acknowledge he was a slaveholder. We all know that, don't we? Exactly. I mean, okay. Our conversation earlier in the program. You're looking at it from 2026 eyes. You're looking at the time. Yeah, it's a way to tear down this nation and take the bloom off the rose in the most passive aggressive way like he did there. Yeah. It's just too bad. There's a new movie. I haven't seen it. I don't know where it's streaming. I don't know how you see it yet, but I'm sure the young Washington. This movie is coming up. It's coming up on, I think it opens up on the 4th of July. Because I heard, I think I heard Glenn Beck talk about it this morning on the show. Yeah, he had the producer of the show. That's right. I listen to some of that. And I'm looking forward to seeing it. And I'm going to tell you that when you watch it, I'm guessing. And I'll bet you it's absolutely concrete on the historical facts. You're not going to see the person that former President Barack Obama just spoke about. No. It's going to be, it'll be a very different narrative on it. Yeah. Well, that's the narrative of our country, the one young Washington. This, the guy, he was a general for the British against the French. He was the general against the British as an American and, you know, as a. part of the revolutionary army and so i just think he's a hero he's been shot he's been there's just so much rich history around george washington for him to just boil it down to i can admire him as a slave owner yeah he's a bud he's a bud he's the slave owner we all know that I mean, bringing it up over and over, what is it accomplishing, Greg? What is it achieving? You know what's so interesting is if you look at our founding fathers, but even all those that were involved in the Revolutionary War, even the man who was like the first killed, he was a colonialist and he was a doctor, and he was one of the first Americans killed in the Battle of Bunker Hill. He's charging after him. His name doesn't come to mind, but he was a father of many children and a widower at the time, but he had land and he had. He had a lot in life. He had a very comfortable life. And he put all that at risk to fight for this independence of this country. And there are so many that did this that put their wealth and their resources at risk.

I did this personal sacrifice of all these people. It pales in the comparison to Barack Obama, who was a community organizer, didn't have a bigger job than that before you became a senator than a president. So many people that in the Senate that can't work more than three and a half days before, you know, wanting to quit because it's just too hard. Yeah. People sacrificed at such a high level to go back and look at their lives or their estates and go, look what's wrong with them. Yeah, yeah. It's just unbelievable. Well, poster John Ziegler, in response to this, he said, for the record, I love this, he posted this. The founding fathers did more generally against their own self-interest to pave the way for the eventual end of slavery that any other political group in American history. There you go. That's it. I mean. Yeah, the sacrifice of themselves, of their estates, of everything they did, and even the founding documents and how they say that men are born equal, they equal. It all paved the way for that. Yeah. By the way, Young Washington is scheduled to be released in U.S. theaters on July 3rd. So that gives us something to go see this weekend. And I haven't been able to get back into the routine of going to the movies. Yeah, you haven't been in a movie forever. I am. You may have to try it. I will do it with Young Washington. Yeah, you may have to drive. Put you in the patriotic mood. Yes. Yeah. Then go out and light some fireworks. That's right. I need some pirate techniques with my 4th of July, too. I need a cul-de-sac of fire is what I need. You'll be careful of that. I will. All right. More coming up. On the Rod and Greg Show tomorrow, big announcements from the Supreme Court. We'll break it all down. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and this great country of ours. Have a good evening. You ain't heard about Moto Casino? Moto has real Vegas slots. Any game you can find on the floor in Vegas, you can play it on Moto. I like my slots hot. Moto's free to play, like food stamps, in line at the grocery store, at a funeral, in traffic. Keep your eyes on the road. Hop on Moto Casino. Moto Casino got jackpots that are bigger than my belly. Moto, America's Hot is free to play social casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino is the social casino board where prohibited and purchase necessary visit moto.com.

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