Josh Filler

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every week we get a chance to talk to Josh and that time is now. What's going on? How are you? How are things, Josh? Things are well, Matt, and I too. Take Graham Platner very seriously. I have from the beginning, and that's why I said he was going to be the nominee and that Mills wouldn't even make it to primary day. Yeah, I know. I hate being right about that. I'm sure you do, too. But alas, we are where we're at. You know, maybe we'll get to that a little bit as we continue our conversation. But I actually wanted to pick your Supreme Court brain first, if I could. Because those of you out there who are listening to my voice right now, who are Supreme Court watchers, and it does delight me, by the way, that so much of my audience. actually does this. You know, may have noticed this very interesting little conflict between Samuel Alito in particular and Ketanji Brown Jackson, which is related to timing of decisions and some snark that's going back and forth between some of the justices over... frankly, this decision about the Louisiana districts in the Voting Rights Act, which we talked about a little bit last week, but also, you know, the usage and consideration of the new congressional districts. And then going way back in time all the way to the Dobbs case, there's been these conflicts about timing and releases and whatnot. Can you maybe break down this whole conflict a little bit for me and chat briefly about what's going on inside the Supreme Court? Yeah, I have been reading Supreme Court cases for over 30 years, and I don't recall ever reading anything quite like Samuel Alito and Jackson's back and forth, not even on a final, you know, an opinion that comes out, but really on an order on implementation of that opinion and decision. And it got really personal. And it's something that... Look, in every organization there's disagreements and they can be profound and there may be personal disagreements. But the Supreme Court has always been the tightest ship in Washington. When it comes to leaks, it's always been the least likely to leak. That's why the Dobbs leak on the abortion case was so shocking to so many people. Not only was it a leak, but it was a leak on a huge issue. It had catastrophic political consequences, which I think the leak are intended. But, you know, regardless, the Supreme Court has usually kept to the straight and narrow. And this is another example, I think, where, you know, things are bubbling over. And like you said, it has to do with the decision on whether to wait or immediately enforce the court's decision on the Louisiana Congressional Map case. Normally, it takes a little over 30 days. There's a whole bureaucratic process of certification and sending it down.

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And the parties basically asked that that be waived, that it be implemented immediately. And eight of the justices, this isn't just Samuel Alito versus Jackson, eight of the justices agreed to waive the length of time and to immediately enforce. And Jackson went off, right? I mean, it's like. As Samuel Alito said in his decision, right? It's like, what do you want him to do? Like, you know, fight a contest under any legal and unconstitutional map? Of course we have to. Yeah, and Ketanji Brown Jackson basically attacked the integrity of the court and basically said, you're doing this to help Republicans. And Samuel Alito, Gorsuch, and Thomas, those were the ones that signed up to Samuel Alito's retort to her, basically said, drop dead, and we've had enough. We've had enough of this nonsense. Your arguments are incoherent. And now they're getting personal. And it was a takedown of her that was just brutal. It was ruthless. And it's probably a sign of things to come, especially if the Democrats can get into the White House and make more appointments. Yeah. I mean, I don't expect this. This. rhetorical verbal chastisement to really alter her behavior, though. She's been showing pretty clearly from the very beginning that she seems comfortable to be, you know, frankly, oftentimes the one, the one person who's behaving this way and acting like this, like the decorum of the court and the history of the court doesn't seem to matter very much. And I doubt this is going to do much to fix that. No, and look, there's no problem being the odd man out, because sometimes history has proven that that one or two people, the dissent proves to be correct in the end. That happens. Her problem is the manner in which she does it. Not only is she wrong on the law, and Elena Kagan has pointed that out to her in her own concurring opinions that, you know, keep away from Jackson. It's the... way in which she attacks the integrity of her colleagues, abuse of power, partisan gain. You know, these are things that, you know, they're human. They don't want to be called out like that, and especially if it's not true. So, you know, I think if she wants to be the odd man out, that's fine. But if she wants to have any kind of a working relationship with her colleagues, she better clean up her act. Indeed. So as it relates to that, by the way, Josh, before I leave the topic, with the decision that was made that, again, we spoke about last week, I hope everybody's sort of up on what it means and the implications from it, we're starting to see the next shoe drop, right? I mean, Louisiana obviously is already taking steps. You've got Florida's redoing their map. Obviously, Tennessee is redoing theirs. There's a lot of these that are happening. And in fact, even in Indiana.

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You had that primary that just took place earlier this week where the incumbent state senators that had blocked the redistricting plan there before, you know, more or less almost universally lost against the challengers that were more of the Trump selection and were far more open to doing a redistricting there. So it has now sparked a new round of the redistricting battle, which seems to be particularly... weighted against the Democrats because we're talking about a lot of the southern states here controlled by Republicans. Yeah, as we talked about last week, I mean, basically the decision precludes majority, minority districts in order to form some level of proportional representation, ensuring that there's a black member of Congress or Hispanic member of Congress. That's gone. So, yeah, the red states that were required to do that, as we discussed, are going to have to, in many cases, redistrict and are going to want to redistrict, obviously, because it's going to benefit Republicans. but as we've seen in Virginia. partisan gerrymandering, which was allowed even before this decision, is going to kick off in blue states or even in purple states. The battle for this is ultimately going to take place under state law in state courts. The Supreme Court is not going to get in the middle of partisan gerrymandering. They said that in the Louisiana case. They've said it before. So you're going to see this take place in the state courts, and you're seeing it in Virginia. The Republicans. that are trying to block that or fighting it out in the Virginia Supreme Court. Speaking with Josh Filler, as we do every Thursday at this time, and we always love doing that. You brought up earlier the Graham Platner experience and all of that fun stuff. You know, I'd love now about a week hence of her dropping out of that race to go over with you, your thoughts on her dropping out and what the dynamic is now. that it is just a Graham Platner versus Susan Collins race. I'll do respect to the gadfly that's in that Democratic primary still, but it is clearly going to be the two of them facing off against each other. Diagnosed for me, though, if you could, first Mills and her epic flame out. I mean, how did this happen? Why did she think it wouldn't happen? Why did it happen? You know, break this all down for me. I think she thought, and I think the Democrats in Washington that talked her into doing this, they all believed that once Graham Platner was outed for the Nazi tattoo, for the outrageous posts on Reddit, about rape victims, about communism, about police, about rural voters, that he would implode. And once that didn't happen...

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There was nowhere left to go. I mean, Mills could not run on her record. And if she couldn't take him down for his own personal failings, he didn't have a record to go against anyway, right? I mean, that's one of the challenges with a guy like Graham Platner is there's no public record to go off of, to challenge. He's a blank slate. And Mills found out the hard way that, you know, if she couldn't take him down the first time, there was nothing left in the, in the ammo packet. So she basically ran out of ammunition. And there was never an appetite for her Canada C to begin with. There was a poll out of UNH. I think you saw it too, where Democrat voters said, you know, we like Mills. We're happy with what she did. Don't ask me why. But we don't see her as the future. We don't see her as the future. And that was so telling to me that it's just, it's over, Janet. Your political career in Maine politics and elected politics is over. The Susan Collins campaign needs to be ready for this and learn the lessons here that, you know. He doesn't have a political public record the way Mills did, the way Susan Collins does. And they need to be able to pivot and deal with that because Mills couldn't. She clearly had nowhere left to go. No, she did not. Before we get out of here, Josh, I do have to. Ask you to check in with your old friends in New York. You and I have had a couple conversations about the new mayor, Zohran Mamdani, and how things are going in New York. Something close to your heart, I know, obviously. Seems like they're running out of money, though. This experiment is going exactly as well as I thought it would. It's kind of funny to watch him, you know, do those really, like, you know, Gen Z, like Instagram video things that he's recording out in front of, like, a billionaire's house and tell him to go screw himself and then have to actually watch the content. consequences of his uh posture and his attitude or whatnot to you know like you know paying basically it's paying the pipe here a little bit right like he's he's chasing him out of town and he's discouraging commerce and uh and everybody who's in the city that cares about this stuff is pretty sour on him and it's kind of uh i don't know paying uh paying him back a little bit right now because they're having a hard time Yeah, he and the mayor of Seattle. They're in a contest to see who can drive out the business community, the fastest. She was just caught on record laughing about companies leaving. Starbucks is leaving, or at least on the process of leaving Seattle. Yeah, Zohran Mamdani proved Margaret Thatcher right. The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. For Zohran Mamdani, he's done it in record time, five months. Even I didn't. think it would implode this quickly. But within five months, he's now begging the state of New York to bail the city out financially.

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I don't think that's going to happen entirely. It's going to put the governor in a bit of a pickle. Obviously, she's got an election coming up. But the state doesn't have any money. The state's broke, too. So the lesson here is socialism doesn't work. I don't know why we have to learn this lesson every 10 or 15 years. But this time will be different, Josh. Yeah, I know. They just didn't do it right the last time. Exactly. And it's not going to work in Seattle either. So, you know, we can all get. a popcorn and watch these cities implode. But if they don't change course, Matt, I mean, things can get ugly in New York. I mean, you and I are old enough to remember this. I don't think Zohran Mamdani is. But, you know, if he doesn't realize that his ideas are just plain stupid, that city's in real trouble. Yeah. Well, we're going to have to end there. Unfortunately, we're out of time. Josh Filler, as always, appreciate it. Thanks a lot. And we'll talk next Thursday.