Marty Griffin Show Hour 03 061726

Welcome back to K2K Radio this afternoon, 1207 at the time. Brandon McGinley from the Post Gazette filling in here from Marty Griffin. And I want to remind you that the hashtag Berg Proud Challenge is gaining momentum and we need you. Join greater Pittsburgh Community Food Bank along with the penguins, pirates, and Steelers by moving 30 miles this June. 30 miles, it's a mile a day. I'll tell you right now, this is one of the best stretches of weather we're going to have probably all month. So this is your time to do it. Get out there. You can grab a one of a kind, hashtag Berg Proud T-shirt featuring all three black and gold logos when you start a fundraising campaign and raise your first $25. Plus, your contribution goes twice as far thanks to a matching grant from the Richard King Mellon Foundation. Sign up today at Pittsburgh Foodbank.org slash Odyssey P-G-H. That's A-U-D-A-C-Y-P-G-H. Beautiful. It's supposed to be stormy overnight, I keep saying, but it's beautiful today. Get out there. So before the break, we were talking about the... State budget. We had Jeremy Schaefer from the state rep from the North Hills on talking about the structural problems. Besides the structural problems, there are clear partisan problems. You have a Democratic governor. You have a Democratic House that the party is holding on to by the skin of their teeth, a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny majority, which means they can't afford to lose a single member. So they have to whip every single member on every single vote as long as the Republicans do the same, which means that a single Democrat can hold that caucus hostage. Running that caucus must be one of the hardest jobs in Harrisburg, particularly because there are still significant regional differences among Democrats, not as many as you're used to be. Nowhere near as many blue dog, pro-life, social conservative Democrats as there used to be, but there are still significant regional differences. So the Democrats have a difficult situation to handle in the House. Republicans are on the Senate.

A split legislature. Now this is something that Josh Shapiro will often point to to explain why the budget is so often late. However, there are other split legislatures, split governments in America, and they do not run late the way that we do. It's certainly not as late as we do last year, several months. I think that one of the things that's going on here, is that we have a governor who is a who is a consummate negotiator, compromiser. This is his calling card. And getting the budget done on time should be the perfect example of his ability as a dealmaker. And I think. that if he didn't have something else on his mind, he would be that dealmaker. You'll remember a few years ago when part of his deal with the Republicans was pushing through a school choice program that got Republicans on board with his budget. He had always been open to school choice through his career. And at the 11th hour, pulled the rug out because it was clear that the damage it was going to do to him with his own party, given his higher ambitions, would not be worth it. The problem, one of the problems in Harrisburg then, is that the man who is the best dealmaker in the room, maybe one of the best political dealmakers in America,

is performing or using his skill set with one hand time behind his back because the kind of deals that he would under normal circumstances make aren't available to him because he's thinking about the White House. That's my read of the situation. That's my read of the situation. If I were advising Josh Shapiro, I would say this. If you want to be president. You have to be the best darn governor you can be. And I think in many respects, he has actually been quite a good governor. I have various beefs with Josh Shapiro. I think he totally mishandled the sexual assault, sexual harassment, excuse me, allegations against one of his top advisors a few years ago. And I have other ideological differences. But as a person who runs a government. I have to be honest, he's pretty darn good at it. He's going to skate to re-election, barring some kind of massive collapse. But if he wants to be president, I think that, I think there's a weird dynamic happening where his ambition to be president is making it more difficult for him to be an excellent governor, which then in turn actually makes it more difficult for him to be president. Hope that makes sense. His best path to being president is to be an excellent governor. His desire to be president makes it more difficult to be an excellent governor. Of all people, this should be the one who gets the deals done to get the budget done on time. And I know. Trust me, I know that the Republicans are incentivized to make it as difficult as possible. They are incentivized to make it as difficult as possible, A, because they want to try to make it more difficult for Josh Shapiro during this gubernatorial election, but also because they rightly see Josh Shapiro as a talented, ambitious presidential candidate who they want to hobble. It's not easy. I don't want to make it sound easy. But I think on things from, and here, by the way, I will give the governor credit for something that I don't even know I agree with, but I give him credit for.

dashing or for kind of, uh, you know, not giving in to his, his base on, you know, he struck a deal to reopen two coal power plants. I'm not even sure I agree with that. I, I'm not Mr. environmentalist, but I, I, I'm actually, I do think coal is pretty passe at this point, but he, he did it. So that does go to show, goes, go to show, I think that he sees. that being the dealmaker, being the negotiator, being the best, you know, I don't know if centrist or moderate's the right word, but being the best pragmatic governor he can be is the surest path to getting things done, both for Pennsylvania and for him. Ultimately, governing this state well to the benefit of the people of Pennsylvania is the surest path to the White House. I think he sees it that way too, but the pressures of the Democratic Party in its primary electorate make it a very, very difficult needle to thread. A thought I'll leave you with before the break. What if it would actually be better for Josh Shapiro and better for Pennsylvania? If he were to say outright, you know what? I'm not running in 28. I'm going to be. I'm going to be a great governor. I'm going to focus entirely from 26 to 2030. From 2026 to 2030, I'm going to focus entirely on Pennsylvania. And then in 2032 or 36 even. Then he makes his grand entrance into Washington, D.C. as a conquering hero. That may be the better move. I'm not sure, but I am sure, close to sure. Even if it's not the better move for him, I'm pretty darn sure it's the better move for Pennsylvania. Because a Josh Shapiro that's focused entirely on Harrisburg is a great asset. A Josh Shapiro that's focused half on Washington and half on Harrisburg is not as good of an asset. We'll be back after this.

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less pro-Israel than it was, it won't be as, I hope, frankly, it's not as hot an issue in 32 or 36 as it is in 28. And he might, it may not be something that's talked about in the same way, in the same way that, frankly, Israel was not on the agenda in 20 or 16, the way it was in 24 and will be in 28. So I think it's another reason for him to, to, to, to chill out in Harrisburg, to be honest, and wait out this storm thinking just purely from an electoral perspective. Right, it may not be a bad idea, but you saw it after Johnny Peterman. I know, I know, I know, and we're going to see what happens in that primary, too. That's going to be a fun one. That'll be a really fun one. There's a lot of folks chopping at the bit there. I'd also say on the Josh Shapiro front that I don't think, I think there's very, very good reason to believe, and I think he has said this, and I think that he is not lying. I don't think he's a supporter of Benjamin Netanyahu. I think he would be very happy with a less aggressive posture. a less aggressive, you know, prime minister in Israel. I think that would, that would be good for him, and I think it would be good for a lot of people. But that's... You know, that's that. But I agree. In some respects, in some respects, this is a real foreign policy issue. In other respects, and thanks Bob for the call. In other respects, we are dealing with a resurgence of genuine anti-Semitism that is really discouraging. And in either way, it's something that is going to pose a problem for Josh Shapiro if he runs for president. Kevin, Southside. What's up, Kevin? Hey, how's it going? Pretty good. Pretty good. How about you? Good. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. My thing is with Josh, I liked him and his supporter. But he's showing me he can't do that. He can't finish the job now because he's worried about being a president. Yeah. You know, you kind of see it with the. the power hungry guy in there now how things turn out. I just don't like the fact that he's abandoned in PA to pursue his own interest. Yeah, I mean, and this is why I said, I mean, being the best governor he can be is the best way to pursue his own higher ambitions. And I don't begrudge your man as ambitions, but, you know, you have to go about it smartly. And, you know, um, If I'm Stacey Garrity, the state treasurer who's running against Josh Shapiro, and, you know, let's be honest, the numbers don't look good for her right now. But if I'm Stacey Garrity, that's the number one point I'm making. I'm saying this is a man who has one eye, maybe one and a half eyes on the White House. And, you know, and that's the argument. But I don't think it's enough because at the end of the day, Josh Shapiro is massively popular. He still holds, you know. Despite concerns about some issues like what we just talked about, he still has strong support among Democrats, and he has significant cross-partisan support. So I'd be, I don't know, I'd be very surprised if anybody could make headway against him. But that's the...

That's the argument. If I'm Josh Shapiro, it's I'm going to shellac Stacey Garrity. I'm going to be a kick-ass governor. And then after I've done that for eight years, then I say I'm ready for Washington. I'm ready for the country to embrace me. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I appreciate you. Thank you very much. You have a good day. All right. Thanks, Kevin. I have 90 seconds. Let's see, Matt. Matt and Collier. Sorry, I have 90 seconds, buddy. No problem, Brandon. First, I love when you're on. You really get down into the weeds on this. My biggest issue with Josh Shapiro over the whole budget thing is our revenues have been relatively flat since 2021 in the state of Pennsylvania. We're like, you know, mid-40s, upper 40s. Every budget that guy has put forward. begins with a five. Why are we putting forth budget proposals that are $53 billion when we know we have a pretty good idea of what the state revenue is going to be? It's a situation that reminds me a lot of the city. I think it's not as bad as the city, but it reminds me a lot of the city where the state came out of COVID. much more strong financially than you would expect because of federal money and because the tax revenues actually weren't hit as hard and rebounded more quickly. I think than you might expect. You see a lot of growth out in Adams County. You see a lot of growth on the Philly suburbs. See growth coming out of New York City. Not so much out here. But let's not spend money we don't have. That's the thing. But that's the thing is that the expenditures have far outpaced that growth. And here, again, I think you're dealing with a couple things. You're dealing with the back. he is at the end of the day, a committed Democrat who does want to spend money and who sees government as a force for good. And you also know, like, if you're taking money out of people's pockets, out of the pockets of vendors, out of the pockets of special interests, these are people who you need if you're going to run for president. So it's a very hard thing. Like it's like, and I'll say this. Again, as someone who has has my beast with Josh Shapiro. He's probably the most capable person in America dealing with this political quandary, but it's still really hard. It ties into your first topic on gambling. Hill games aren't going away. The state wants that revenue. They need that revenue. They're going to find a way to figure it out to get that revenue into the state coffers. You know, hey, Matt, I think something like that's going to happen. I do think something like that's going to happen. I hope, though, that they can constrain the visible presence of the skill games to as few places as possible. That's what I'm hoping for. So I agree that we're probably going to extract some revenue from it, but I hope, I mean, again, I want to stress, I do think the social costs are at least as high as the economic benefits, in fact, are much higher. Alrighty. Got some news back after this.

All righty, folks, Brandon McGinley from the Post Gazette filling in for Marty today. And I want to get right back to the phone lines, actually. We got, excuse me, got a couple folks calling in here. We got DJ for New Kensington, who has been extremely patient. You've been waiting according to my screen here for 25 minutes. So thanks, DJ. Oh, okay. I want to comment on, you know, the shootings at home when in Wilkinsburg every night. And basically how do these 15-year-olds get these guns? It doesn't make sense to me. Like, how would they even know where to get these guns? And where do they get the money? Because if it's a straw purchase, they call it or stolen, like, they're going to pay more than the gun is worth from the store. Like, it doesn't make sense to me. That's what I'm saying. It's a good question. I mean, here's my... I don't know. This is not something I've studied. It's something I've wondered about as well. Here's my impression. My sense of it is that guns are just in circulation. Like if you are, you are, you know, if you are part of a gang or not even necessarily a formal gang, but just a group where violence is common, Guns are just in circulation. I don't think, like, I don't think these kids are obviously not showing up at, like, at a legitimate gun store in the suburbs and buying a firearm. And so this is actually one of the reasons that, I mean, this is now, I'm now going a bit farther afield. This is one of the reasons I'm generally a little skeptical that. You know, while I certainly support, you know, certain, you know, kind of common sense gun regulations, I think that very, very strict gun regulations are actually unlikely to resolve this problem because this is not a kid who's showing up at, you know, Allegheny arms or something and picking up a gun. This is, these are guns that are just in circulation, um, that no law is going to, that no law that doesn't already exist is going to, uh, kind of eradicate. Does that make sense? I'm thinking history in guns in, like, 30 seconds. Remember the old days they used to call it guns and make them out of whatever they could, curtain rods or whatever. And then all of a sudden, you know, all the guns are good now, basically, just like cars. Like, every gun is decent, you know. I understand, yeah. And there used to be junked, like, called Jennings, and they would fall apart, actually, if you'd shoot them too much. But what I'm saying is... Any decent gun is $300, okay? Yeah. Now, if you buy it on the street, you're going to pay way more than $300. Yeah, but I'm guessing... Yeah, I just, I don't, I'm guessing these are not being transacted in that way. I think you're thinking of it, you're thinking of it in a very kind of normal transaction. My guess is that these guns are traded. They're bartered. They are, I'm guessing that I assume that, you know, often drug transactions are involved. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, these, they might even be given in the sense that if you are kind of, again, in, in a situation where violence is common that, you know, you, I.

I don't think they're being purchased, basically. I think they are being distributed. I think they are being a bartered. I think they are being gifted. I think they are being shared. But I do not think that they are being, they're a part of financial transactions in the way that you and I think of them. That's my impression. I thought of that being shared, and it's the same pipeline as the legal drugs. Yeah, yeah, it's all part of the same thing. And I think there's a lot of bartering. And by the way, and I don't, you know, the guns, you know, I have not read up. I don't think it's known yet what kind of gun was used in the cultural district shooting over the weekend. But one thing that is definitely real now is you can 3D print these things. I mean, there are so many different ways. This is why, like, I'm very much, I'm happy to have the conversation on common sense gun regulations. I think there are absolutely ways that you can reduce the incidents of this kind of thing by reducing access. However, ultimately, there are so many guns in circulation in this country already. I mean, I don't know, but I'm sure hundreds and hundreds of millions, at least of guns, are already in circulation. They are not going to come out of circulation. They're just not. And so a lot of this ultimately comes down to how do you disrupt the patterns of violence in these communities? That's really for me, that's where the city, for instance, can help. And, you know, but when you're talking about like a midnight on Sunday shooting downtown, that's not a, oh, we need to open the rec center situation. That's a, how do you not know where your 15 year old is at midnight on a Sunday situation? And that's, you know, yeah, there are, there are things that are beyond the reach of the city to fix. It just seems like there's the endless supply. That's all I know. No, and there is. You lose the gun, you lose a 15-year-old, you lose another one that's dead, and you know the gun's off the street. All of a sudden, it seems like there's an endless supply. That's all right. I feel the, hey, DJ, I feel the exact same way. I feel the exact same way. It does seem like there's an endless supply. And I, and I kind of despair of the possible of, of, of, of disrupting that. I, I, I, I, I, you can disrupt it a little bit, but, um, it's, it's like, it's like, I think of it like currency. Like these, the guns are in circulation and taking them out of circulation is, you can do it a little bit at a time, but it's, it's, it's, it's really hard. Dean from McKee's Rocks. What's up, Dean. Oh, funny thing that that last call became about the cycle of violence. The number one thing that works at reducing violence in every single state, Democrat or Republican, is raising the minimum wage. The one thing you didn't bring up with Jeremy Schaefer in your interview. Whenever they raise the minimum wage up to $10, $11 an hour or higher, in every state, crime goes down.

You didn't mention the minimum wage. It's not about $7.25 an hour. It's about the people making $9, $10, $11 an hour. Even $12 an hour working full time. You cannot keep an inspected car on the road in Pennsylvania. We've got three major dollar discount stores paying people an average of 9.50 an hour, tens of thousands of Pennsylvania workers trying to feed families to only hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvania's. What's your number? I mean, is 15 your number? I actually don't have a target myself. I'm curious. What's your target number? I'd be willing to settle for 13, okay? But the Pennsylvania Republicans have not even offered an alternative to Josh Shapiro's minimum wage proposal. He's proposing the year 2029, $15 an hour. I think Republicans... $15 an hour is barely enough to keep a car on the road now. But they haven't even offered. They care so little. They're so obsessed with causing poverty, which causes crime. Yeah. I'm not as familiar with the stats on the minimum wage connection with crime as you are. So I, you know, that's, it's, I can imagine. I can definitely imagine there being, being a connection. Now, this is an issue on which I do think Republicans are by and large far too doctrinaire. I think that there is a kind of ideological kind of allergy to anything regarding raising the minimum wage that is not productive. Now, the number of... You made a... You made a perceptive point. You made a perceptive point, which is that it's not so much the folks making 725. There's not a huge number of them. There are. There are probably more honestly than I realize. But it is the folks who are in that middle ground. Because the floor is so low, then you can be above the floor and seem like you're generous, but you're still at 9 or 10, which is lower than the minimum wage in most other states. So, and I'm actually, I'm pretty sure that's the case. Certainly is the case in nearby states. The minimum wage is the number one thing that's been destroying the American family for the past 40 years. Ever since we stopped raising the minimum wage every two or three years. When I was a kid, the minimum wage was gone up, federal government national minimum wage every three or four years from 1940 to 1980. My one hesitation about going too high on the minimum wage. And I'm very sympathetic to going even to 15. I'm sympathetic to hitting 15, Dean. Like, don't get me wrong. My one hesitation is how it affects. young workers. How does it affect a 15 or 16 year old who... I'm glad you brought that up because when you pay a 16 year old 725 an hour, what kind of incentive does that give them to want to work? So my question is, I think actually it provides more of an incentive than you might realize because it's better than nothing, which is for a 16 year old, a better argument than it is for a 25 year old single mother. But the... And I'm going to have to get to a break, Dean. But my concern is that to what degree there will be fewer jobs for kids to learn how to enter the workforce and develop those kind of skills. Again, I'm very sympathetic to 12, 13, 15. I'm sympathetic to it. That's a concern I would like to see, you know, fully hashed out.

Give teens a $10 an hour minimum wage, $11 an hour minimum wage. Yeah, if you can, if you could honestly, I'd be very much in favor of, of, of, of, of, of tearing it like that. Hey, Dean, that was, that was fascinating. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I'm going to have to get to a break, but yeah, the. I don't think the minimum wage is the kind of cure-all. But I do think that ours sets a floor that's so low that it has actually lots of effects. I think people don't realize. Keep in mind, though, that there are a lot of small businesses that are good small businesses whose model depends on... I understand there are concerns about it, a low minimum wage for young teenage employees. And there could be effects there that are a little more than we realize. But after this, I actually have Councilman Bob Sharland calling to talk about code enforcement. We will have him after this.

All righty, Brandon McGinley from the Post Gazette filling in for Marty today. And I'm going to bring on councilman Bob Sharland, Southside councilman, city of Pittsburgh to talk about code enforcement. We have, uh, hey, councilman, how you doing? Brent, good to hear from you. How are you doing? All right. All right. So, controller, Rachel Heisler, released a report describing kind of deficiencies in the city's ability to enforce kind of quality of life things. We're talking what, like, you know, piles of trash. We're talking overgrown yards, things like that, right? Yeah. Brandon, this was the first piece of legislation that I worked on when I came in office. It was something that, you know, as I was running for office, something I was kind of thinking about doing. Yeah. Was, you know, I spent, before I was in office, I was a staffer for previous Councilman Krause. Yeah. And, you know, I would spend hours and hours in courtrooms chasing down property violation cases. On both sides of the case, you know, some of there was a neighborhood disturbance. trying to, you know, go and make sure that the case was heard properly in front of a judge, but also being in front of a judge and if someone needed help, knowing kind of what resources that we had available and were available to us. And what I really saw was a process that was wildly inefficient. Yeah. So, you know, I'd watch these inspectors. They would sit there. You know, either the mailing would be wrong. More often than not. way more often than not. The case actually was never heard. So, you know, either there was a problem with the mailing to the owner, the tenant showed up, not the owner, you know, the wrong person was there. The inspector didn't have the information that they needed. So I really wanted to dive right in on this issue that, you know, it's kind of a nuts and bolts issue and maybe not something that everyone thinks about as far as, you know, how the city functions, but it is something that they see in their neighborhoods. And the controller did an excellent job with this audit here. It did take about two and a half years to complete because of the high standards that they want to hit. But we have a report in front of us that will give us kind of a blueprint on how to fix this process moving forward. So what do you see as the necessary fix? Like, you know, you said it's one of these things it's like, it's super... It's all hiding in plain sight. Once you point out these things, whether like I said, it's a trash, the overgrown or whatever, you notice them. And then there's like, once they're resolved, you realize you've been missing out on a more kind of pleasant experience in your neighborhood. Sure. And, you know, the other thing that I want to mention is we're talking a lot. often about, you know, the trash issues, the, you know, peeling a pain or things like that, but it's also bigger issues. I mean, there's also uniform construction code issues that are in this, you know, in this report here, where, you know, a fly-by-night operator comes in and builds or puts an addition on a house on, you know, nights and weekends, and we finally catch them and wish them a stop work order. So there are some real, like, not just quality of life, but life safety issues.

that our enforcement mechanisms are supposed to, you know, make sure that everybody plays by the rules and everybody does think the proper way and has the correct permitting, which, you know, is a whole different conversation. We're not even diving into the permitting part of this, but just making sure that everyone is doing the playing by the same rules within the city that we haven't been. So, you know, one of the findings that I knew was going to be in here that has been really interesting me, is that inspectors are, we're not calculating the time that they spend actually in the courtroom. And so one of the things that I would notice is I would sit there in the courtroom and I would look at the inspectors around and it would be like, All right, that, you know, kind of thinking of like the meter running on top of each of their heads, how much taxpayer dollars are being spent. And if we're getting to, if we're improving the neighborhoods, if we're moving the wall forward and what we want our city to be, that's a money well spent. But more often than not, their defendant isn't there, so the judges are just going to dismiss the case. The neighborhood isn't filed properly. They don't have the right documentation. They filed it under the wrong. citation, you know, whatever it might be. So it sounds like what you're saying is that a lot of inspections aren't getting done or they're taking longer than they need to to get done because a lot of inspectors are spending a lot of time doing things that are not inspecting. Right. Yes, you know, the point of inspecting is you have to have, you have to have an end result. You know, it has to be some finality somewhere. And that, you know, that is not necessarily, the way the process is supposed to work is supposed to end in, you know, end in the courtroom. And, you know, if someone wants to appeal a decision, they go up through the court. That is how this process is supposed to work. That's how the state designed it when they gave us these powers. But what has happened is that... you know, this very important step here, there's a missing gap. One of the other things that's really important to point out, The magistrates, the local magistrates are the folks that hear these cases, and there's a huge disparity between the way that each magistrate runs their courtrooms and how the inspectors interact with them. So, you know, in the 16th and 17th awards, which I represent, that's going in front of Judge Ricardy, but in the 18th to 30th Ward, which I also represent, is going in front of Judge King. They both have very different... rules of how they want the inspectors to engage with them. That's something that this report talks about as well. Interesting. So you kind of, you know, getting some more uniformity in terms of the county's kind of judicial system. Yeah, and, you know, that's something that this audit can't go into. We can only look at ourselves. Right, of course. You can't look at the county. But yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Hey, Councilman, I got to get to some news. I got to get to some news. But hey, I really appreciate it. This is fascinating. And it's, it's weedy, both in the sense that has to do with weeds and the sense that it gets into the kind of nitty gritty of city government. But again, it's in the needy gritty where the solutions to things like, to things that really affect quality of life, that's where it all lives. Yeah, and I keep saying what gets measured can be improved. So I'm very thankful for the work that Controller Heisler did over the last year and a half. Great. Well, I can't wait to, I'm going to dig into the report myself. Haven't had a chance yet, but I'll be back tomorrow, so maybe we'll talk about it more then. Awesome. All right. Thanks, Counsel. Yep, bye-bye. All righty, got some news back out to this.