Are Mormons Christians?? Mike Lee's MAD at US Government + Your calls!!

We got Josh Tifo in studio. What's up, Josh? I'm living the dream. All right. Let's get into the spicy stuff. All right. Yeah. Our Mormons Christian. So the Pentagon a couple days ago recognized every Christian faith in America as Christian. Except one, Mike Lee is from Utah. Is he Mormon? He is. He's definitely very Mormon. So he was very upset about this. He posted a selfie video. I got the video for you on Super Talk TV on YouTube and Rumble. You can hear the audio on your radio. But, I mean, he's pissed. You can hear it in his voice. He's like, why wouldn't you recognize this as Christian? The faith of the American people has always been one of its greatest strengths. as is the fact that the Constitution prohibits the United States government from treating people differently based on their religious beliefs, regardless of what denomination they might be drawn toward, they might belong to, or whether they have any faith at all. It's one of the many things that has strengthened our country, and it's especially important in this circumstance that the government... recognize the faith of the men and women who serve in uniform and stand ready, willing, and able to die at any moment as they serve our country in times of war. For that very reason, I think it's very unfortunate that the Pentagon is chosen to identify basically every faith group in America that professes faith in Jesus Christ as Christian, with one exception. That is those belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Which is the Mormon Church. They just, they use the fancy name now. So I found this last night while I was doing research on the topic. This is what Joseph Smith said in his first vision regarding which Christian denomination he should join. This was in 1838 or 1839. He said, I answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in a sight, that those professors were all corrupt, that they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They teach doctrines, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof. So that's Joseph Smith, History 119, Pearl of Great Price, saying we are not a member of any Christian denomination. Well, I mean, he is the founder of Mormonism, and you can get into all the personal attacks on Joseph Smith and the fact that he married dozens of women. He married at least one 14-year-olds. Some say 2 14-year-olds. That's a debated thing in history. At least one, her name was Helen. I don't know about you. I think that's pretty messed up. Yes. But we don't have to get into that. Let's look into the foundation of what they believe. So here's one of the biggest things. They believe that Father God was a man who ascended to Godhood. and they believe that Jesus and Satan are two of his sons. They essentially believe that Satan's mad, that Father God picked Jesus to do the rescue mission for Earth instead of Satan. And that's part of why we have all this drama right now. When someone who is Mormon talks about God the Father and talks about Jesus and talks about Satan, they were referring to entirely different beings, entirely different persons. And this is explicitly the result of Joseph Smith.

and the three books that he wrote that he claims are revelation from God, doctrines and covenants, Pearl of Great Price, which you just quoted, and the book of Mormon. So essentially, Christians believe that we have two big pieces of revelation from God, the Old Testament and the New Testament. That's the Bible. You probably have one in the studio somewhere. So Mormons believe that there's actually a third part. There's a new New Testament, and that was Joseph Smith writing, doctrines and covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and Book of Mormon. So essentially, Mormonism is the belief that Joseph Smith learned all these things from God, that God wasn't ready to tell us until the 1800s, that actually turn the tables over and change all sorts of Christian doctrines. So we live in America. If you want to be a Mormon, you are free to do that, but you can't force Christians to say that Mormons are a Christian denomination when doctrinally that's just not true. Also, he says that, you know, you're respecting all these Christian religions and they serve and they fight. It's like, well, I don't think that there's, they're instituting a ban on Mormons serving in the military. Of course not. And by the way, if you're a Mormon serving in the military, God bless you and thank you for serving our country. But that doesn't mean that in whatever process this is that... the United States government is going to reference Mormons as a Christian denomination. I mean, Pete Hegseth, that doesn't have that power. Only God has that power to redefine reality. So I understand why they're getting very mad about this. I have a lot of Mormon friends who talk extensively about how Mormonism is just another Christian denomination. They call themselves non-credal Christians. They just believe some different things. They don't just believe some different things. They believe a lot of different things. And another core thing that I want to talk about is the fact that Mormons believe that there is a multi-step process to salvation. So the blood of Christ only takes you so far. Then you need repentance. Then you need someone to lay their hands on you, usually a church leader to give you the Holy Spirit. You need to be baptized. You need to persevere to the end. But they define that as... following all of these ordinances, all these laws, all these rules within the church until the day that you die. It is essentially a works-based religion. So you look at what Paul says in Ephesians, for by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not a gift of yourself, not by works so that no one can boast. You have to basically act like that verse does not exist. So I say all of this to wrap up my argument that Mormons are not Christians. They are not Christians as we define that. word here in Western culture. That does not mean that we shouldn't love them. Some of my closest friends are Mormons. Some of the best political operatives I know in the United States of America are Mormon. Some of our biggest political allies in the conservative movement like Mike Lee are Mormons, but that does not change the theological reality of this debate. And they believe some wonky stuff. Hit me with it. Like Space Jesus, Magic Underpants. I mean, these are the memes that you see around. And we can get into all that stuff. But fundamentally, the biggest difference is what they believe about what they would call exaltation. So as Christians, we talk about sanctification, what it's like to follow God and become more like him.

as we go through our Christian life. And there are some Christian denominations that take this a little bit to the extreme, like Methodists, who believe that you can essentially become perfect or near perfect here on earth by just obeying God so well that you're like 99% perfect or 100% perfect. That stuff's a little crazy. So Mormons believe that there are actually three tiers to heaven. They believe that a lot of people are in one of those three and that only the really, really bad people go into what they call the outer darkness, essentially hell. They also believe a lot of strange things about that. They believe that you can do proxy baptisms that somehow increase the state of dead loved ones who are in one of those four states. There's all kinds of interesting things they believe. And that's also not totally set in all of Mormonism. There are things that they argue within Mormonism, as you see, that we argue about a lot of things within Christianity, theologically. But essentially, they believe that God the Father was a human being. who ascended to Godhood, that Jesus was a human being who ascended to Godhood, and that Jesus and Satan are brothers, and that you, if you follow Jesus and you give your life to him and you repent, and then you do this laundry list of things the Mormon Church tells you to do until the day that you die, giving X number of dollars a month, following all of these temple ordinances. I know that you mentioned the garments, that's one of them, but there are a lot of them, there are a lot of them that Joseph Smith puts in those three books. then maybe you can ascend to godhood just like God did. So, and this is just from my own observation. So you tell me if I'm off base, but it seems like the majority, like there's a lot of Christians and you go, eh, you got to get more in the word. But it seems like the majority of the Mormons are just really buried in their text. Like they know it through and through. They're in on it at the church. Like if you're a Mormon, you're all the way in. Is that a fair assumption? With some of them, and there's a lot of cultural Mormons. So the best way to look at it is actually to juxtapose this argument with the Judaism versus Christianity argument. So religious Jews believe that the Old Testament is the Word of God, and some of them believe in the Talmud and all the other things are additional revelation from God. But you essentially have people who believe that the Old Testament is God's revelation. We as Christians believe that God's revelation is the Old Testament and the New Testament. Mormons believe that there's a new, New Testament. That's basically what it is. So when you zoom back... The difference between Christians and Mormons is more like the difference between religious Jews and Christians than a denominational squabble. They believe that the Old Testament is God's word, the New Testament is God's word, the New Testament, the three books written by Joseph Smith are also God's word, but somehow the New New Testament has the power to supersede Revelation in the Old Testament and Revelation in the New Testament. Although they pick and choose...

platform. I don't know the specifics of what they were doing and why, but, and again, I wish that I knew more about the specific situation he's referring to. And maybe you can brief us on it on air and I can give you my live reaction. But. Making the argument that in some type of classification system, Mormons should be classified as a denomination of Christianity is honestly as absurd as saying that religious Jews or Muslims should be. And I mean, you read earlier on this show exactly what Joseph Smith said about existing Christian denominations. It just doesn't make any sense to me. So here's how this started. On Friday, the Pentagon cut the number of religious affiliation codes from over 200 to 31. to help military chaplains streamline religious support services. The 31 codes include the Church of Latter-day Saints, but not as one of the 21 religions described as Christians. And that's what set the members of the LDS community off into a crashout, including Senators John Curtis and Mike Lee of Utah, saying it's unacceptable for the government entity to characterize a faith in a manner that contradicts the religion's own foundational tenets. which I would go back to, and I'm not a Mormon historian, I just did a little bit of research because I thought this would be an interesting topic to talk about. But in Joseph Smith, History 119, he says, I was answered that I must join none of them. This is his first vision regarding which Christian denomination had joined. I answered that I must join none of them. I mean, that's pretty black and white, right? It's 100% black and white. And you have to ask yourself, why do these very powerful, busy people care so much about a classification code change within the military that most people would have no idea about and most people don't care about? I believe it's because some of these people are very well read and they've studied the Bible and they've studied the Mormon religious texts. And they're probably questioning their own religion. And I'm sure that's true of some people. I don't know how many people this is true for. Maybe you're listening right now. But when you look at what the Old Testament says, what the New Testament says, there are some visible, obvious clashes with what Joseph Smith writes in his three religious texts. With the biggest being, what I mentioned, I mean, Paul says in Ephesians, for by grace you have been saved through faith, this is not a gift of yourself. This is not a gift. Or this is a gift not by work so that no one can boast. The Mormon Church essentially gives you this exhausting lifetime roadmap of all these boxes you have to check if you want to someday ascend to Godhood. And I bet if you are smart and you are passionate and you are praying to God that he will reveal himself to you, you probably question Mormonism a whole lot if you're within that religion. So I believe that... The fundamental reason why so many people are mad about this is insecurity. Because they so badly want to be called the Christian denomination because they know that the three holy texts within Mormonism, and I'm not calling them holy by my value, but that they would call them holy. There are three religious texts. They go against what the New Testament says. And from the outside looking in, and I fully admit, I'm on the outside looking in.

I would view Mormonism almost in the same tier as Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses. And I don't know if I would say that because there are a lot of things they believe that are similar, but there are a lot of things that are often. We've broken down some of them on the show right here. But to any Mormons who are listening right now, I want you to know that I love you. And that is exactly why I'm saying the things on air that I am today, because I've got a lot of friends who are Mormons, a lot of political allies who are Mormons, and I have absolutely nothing to gain from saying what I'm saying today. And I love you, and I want you to know that Jesus died for you. He was not a man. He was holy. He created this universe. Father God was not a man. He is holy. He created this universe. These are beings beyond that. So Jesus was not a man. And when I see Jesus was not a man, I mean, Jesus was not a man. in eternity past. He became a man when he came to earth incarnate. But I'm saying he was not a man who ascended to Godhood. That's what I'm refuting. And again, I take you back to Ephesians for by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is a gift. This is not of yourself so that no one can boast. This is not something you can earn. It's something that only Jesus can give you. Robert in Loretto is a Mormon. I appreciate you calling in, Rob. What's up, man? What are you thinking? First of all, I hope y'all enjoyed that whole picture of me. by the old Joseph Smith, Spinks, having fun while I was out in Utah last week. I figured y'all needed something goofy. Let's go. Tell us where we're wrong, and let's, I mean, I'm actually, I'm really happy that you called in, because I would love to have the conversation. Now, I'm a convert to the church, so I don't have my, I'm not as fully studied as I wish I was, so I can't, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm perfect on everything. all my knowledge. But one thing I do understand was the polygamy thing. When the LDS Church was being pushed out west away from the eastern side of the U.S., we had many members of the church at that time that died off from the trip out, and a lot of the polygamy there... was where men were taking the wives of the dead men and provided for them. The ones that were able to provide for multiple families were the ones that were allowed to take the multiple wives and take care of them because their husbands died in the trip out there, and that was mostly what it was. Now, that's the understanding I'm given. I can't tell you if that's 100% correct. That's just what I've understood about the plogamy thing. mostly saints dying en route to Utah and going out west, and they were granted the polygamy to make sure that those families who no longer had a husband in the priesthood and the church would have somebody to provide for them on the spiritual level like that. So one thing I want to add to that, Paul actually gives instructions to the early church to care for widows and actually gives a process by which the church makes sure that they're widows that are not in a position to remarry. But Paul also defines many, many, many times, including Jesus himself. Jesus also defines marriages between one man and one woman. So I understand.

that in dire situations, you need to make sure that you're taking care of women and children who have no man to take care of them, especially in that Wild West type of cultural atmosphere. But what I'm saying is that the New Testament already gave a solution to that. They command the early church to take those widows in, not by giving them in marriage to a man who already has a wife, but for the church to directly care for them. This is more to give them legalese and name and structure like that. You know, they weren't supposed to like sleep with them and do things like that. And, you know, treat them like regular wives. They were to take them in and take care of them like that. Robert, you said a moment ago that you're more of a recent convert to the LDS Church, the Church of Latter-day Saints. So if I could ask you, what sold you on that versus a more common Christian denomination? It was mostly the sense of family and community that it provided for me. It brought it a little bit stronger than the Church of Christ I grew up here in Tennessee. There was nothing wrong with the Church of Christ I grew up into. But my brother-in-law was originally a member of the church, his family, and when he married my sister, he took her into the church, and she drugged me along too. Okay. The family, the sense of community, and the way they've helped me out in my life, there are times I hit way down low. There was even a point where I nearly killed myself drinking it and a freeze, and the church helped pull me back from that. That if it hadn't, I would not be sitting here alive right now if it wasn't for the LDS church. Well, hey, man, I can't argue with your reason and praise God that you didn't take your life. I'm happy for you. I would say just keep studying, man, and try and find your way back. But I appreciate you calling in and giving us some insight. And I actually want to jump in. I want to ask a question one more time for our caller. Do you believe, I want to know what you believe theologically as part of this conversion. Do you believe that... God the Father was a man who ascended to Godhood. Do you believe that we as men can ascend to Godhood in the celestial realm after this life? I believe that we were all part of God's family spiritually before the earth, and that the earth was pure here as a test of our faithfulness to Heavenly Father. And as far as whether or not Heavenly Father was actually a man himself, that I can't answer. All I know is that he was our Heavenly Father in the spiritual world, and that we are his spiritual children, and that we had our memories of the time in the Spirit World wiped, and then we were put here on Earth to test and find out our faithfulness to them. I understand. Well, I appreciate you calling in, and we love you, and I'm so glad that your life's going well now. Yeah, Rob, appreciate the call, man. Can I add one more thing real quick? Yes, sir. Yes. First of all, regardless of whatever anyone says, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. And as far as I'm concerned, him being my Lord and Savior is what makes me a Christian, not my denomination.

Or what church I go to, just the simple fact that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior is what makes me a Christian. Hey, I appreciate the call, Rob. Thanks so much, man. Colin, any time. We've been talking about Senator Mike Lee's very upset that the Pentagon on Friday cut the number of religious affiliation codes from over 200 to 31. And they did it to help military chaplains streamline religious support services. The 31 codes include the Church of Latter-day Saints, but not as one of the 21 religions described as Christian. which has made them crash out. They're very upset about this. We actually have a Loretta on the line, who is also a Mormon, and she wants to weigh in. What's up, Loretta? How are you? I actually am not a Mormon. Oh, okay, perfect. My mistake. That's okay. What are you thinking? Well, I'm thinking here. Yes, ma'am. Turkey State was separated long ago. Yes, ma'am. So we could be really... worried about the religion in the military, first of all, because you should be going to protect your home and country, and they have sacrificed so much for us, and thank God for them. Second of all, if you want to go to Mormonism, I don't agree with the fact that you can marry a whole bunch of women or their sisters at the same time, and 14-year-old girls and 13-year-old girls. Is that just never more in favor like Muslim? Yeah. No, I mean, I'm with you on that. My point where I differ with you is, you know, when you said the separation of church and state, I'm like, man, if you're going to go overseas and you're going to put your life on the line and you want a religious chaplain of some sort there, I think that's totally fine. I think... by all means with what you're about to. And I can concur with that. And also it's important to understand what we mean when we say separation of church and state. So the phrase separation of church and state. is not in any of our founding documents. It was actually in a letter in the late 1700s from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists when he was assuring them that the United States would not essentially pick a denomination and make it the Church of America as you had seen done with the Church of England, which became very politically corrupt. So that does not mean that the nation was free from religion. That meant that... we were not going to pick an official state religion, which then meant that the church could be corrupted by the state. So a lot of people think that means that the church's influence should never be on the state. Actually, if the church's influence wasn't on the state, we would become a degenerate country very quickly. That meant that the state's influence was never supposed to be on the church. But I love the heart of your comment, and I agree with you 100%. We got a lot of stuff going on in the country. We got a lot of stuff going on in the world. Why on earth?

Does anybody care what the internal codes in the Pentagon are right now of various religions that people follow that help inform chaplains how to better serve service members in our military? Why are we making a big deal about this? I agree with that. Our first responsibility should be to take care of us, the Americans, that are here. And the thing about this is, It's all about everybody else, but what about our veterans? What about the people that have served are living on the street, but we want to bring people in and just take care of them when they came illegally? Yep. I'm with you 100%. I mean, I can go, I can walk in Japan illegally and guess what's going to happen to me, or China, or... wherever. Yep. I don't get welfare and big gloves. I mean, you might, if there was a country out there that was, and I appreciate the Colorado, if there was a country out there offering me welfare to come move in, I consider it. Can I get an EBT card so I can go to the zoo for free? That stuff gets expensive. Do I get a free stuffed animal when I have to go through the exit gift shop trap? Can we go, can we go to the museum for free? Is that also in the cards? I mean, So they are, the Pentagon on Monday updated its religious affiliation codes after members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints criticized the list because it did not describe LDS as Christian faith. So it looks like they are now back in as a Christian faith when it's all said and done. There's a lot of people listening right now who are scratching and clawing to make ends meet. Trying to make enough to fill up their truck and trying to make rent and trying to feed their kids. And they're wondering why on earth is a United States Senator even talking about this stuff? But anyways, before I forget, before the hour wraps, I've got to talk about one of my favorite people in politics. So you had them on a lot. This fight happened back in 2024. So a businessman in Hendersonville, Tennessee, decided that he was going to take on one of the most powerful politicians in our state, State Senator Farrell Hale. Because Chris heard about SB 126, which was a bill hail passed that essentially gave a tremendous amount of cover to hospitals, especially Vanderbilt Children's. to provide quote unquote gender affirming care to children. And in the language, at first it looks like they're banning puberty blockers, but they're actually scrolling with Haley, join Haley Caronea as she scrolls through the biggest headlines. If you haven't watched this show before, we do blind reactions. I have not seen these videos, so I am seeing them for the first time with all of you. We're going to implement the tinfoil hat time segments and all the stuff you know and love. And I'm going to finish the show and answer some of your questions. Someone asked me, what made you get into podcasting? And I was producing podcasts for other people. And I was like, I could do this for myself. And here I am. Scrolling with Haley, follow and listen on your favorite platform.

formally banning it for kids under the age of nine who are not going to get it anyway because they're not in puberty yet. So the bill, whether accidental or on purpose, and you can debate about whether or not this was just gross incompetence or actual maliciousness to help these hospitals, the bill ended up functionally legalizing and protecting the ability of Vandy Children's Hospital to give puberty blockers to 9, 10, 11, 12-year-olds here in the state of Tennessee. It made Chris angry. He ran. I know you supported him. John Rich supported him. Riley Gain supported him. I supported him. And he had over a million dollars spent against him. Which at the time, it was like the most expensive state senator race. I think it still is. In Tennessee history. Probably. Probably. Probably the most expensive GOP primary of any state Senate race in our history. And he lost 42. I think it was 4258, if I remember correctly. But I love this story because... he was going up against pretty crazy odds. Basically every big establishment politician in the state endorsed against him. A lot of them spent money against him, except for... My friend Marsha Blackburn, who did not endorse hail. So shout out to Marsha for listening to the grassroots there. But nevertheless, I bring all this up because today is Chris's birthday. He's 60 years old today. I don't know what his future in politics is going to look like. That's between him and God and his wife. Let's see what they decide. But I thought that we could celebrate his birthday with a very racially friendly rendition of happy birthday. We've got to do the Spanish one. Oh, of course, because Chris loves diverse.

Is this one going to just kicked up, YouTube? That we desiremos, is this one safe? Happy birthday, Chris. We got some pep in it now. We do. That's enough. All right, yeah. Joanna wants to talk about Mormons. What's up, Joanna? Hey. How's it going today? We're good. How are you? Yes, ma'am. Good. Are you, are you, are you a practicing Mormon? I am not a practicing Mormon. No, I'm a Christian. Okay. Be careful. We got to have her call in more. Be careful. What are your thoughts on the Mormon religion? No, I'm at, actually very familiar with the Mormon religion. My aunt was a Mormon. I mean, I've been around a lot of Mormons. And unfortunately, they are not, they are not Christians. It is, it is not a Christian religion. And we got to call it for what it is. You know, they don't even, they have their own Bible. Okay. So while I believe that people should have their right to have the freedom of religion in the United States, because again, that is protected. We also have to remember that that didn't mean that the government has to endorse every religion out there. And we have gone down that road, and that's why we're at. You know, we recognized the Satanic Church. We've recognized all kinds of other things in the United States. And we are in a complete mess right now. As you pointed out, separation of church and state just meant that we didn't establish a church, you know, for the whole government. But we are a Christian nation. We are founded on Christian principles. And if we don't start drawing a line... then we will continue to get those transgender books in the libraries. We will continue to get messy when it comes to religious freedom. I'm putting that in air quotes. Okay. And we will continue to get people finding to have Sheree Law. in certain cities and places, and they think that they can do that in a Christian nation. So, no, I apologize. No, I don't apologize. I'm going to take that back, okay? I love that. I love the energy. I love Mormon people, but I don't have to allow my government to pay to have... chaplains for them because it is not a Christian religion. And first off, I want to applaud your historical knowledge of where the term separation of church and state comes from. When Thomas Jefferson wrote that letter to the Danbury Baptist, all he was doing was assuring them that the United States was not going to...

pick a denomination and create a state church of America as there was a state church of England, which is, by the way, literally why most of the pilgrims fled because of all the corruption that comes from a government picking a state church, which then makes it very easy for political and cultural and corporate power to bleed into the church and to its power structure. Anyways, I digress. That's not what this is about. I applaud your knowledge of that. At the end of the day, we need to decide what type of nation we want to live in. One thing that shocks me is that it is still functionally illegal in this nation. It has been for decades for teachers to lead prayer in public schools. So if we are not establishing a state church, then it is the job of representative government to decide. what should be illegal and what should not be illegal. And then it's the job of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, all the amendments, to decide if what has been passed by that representative government is constitutional or not. So if we believe that it's a good thing... for Christian teachers to lead prayer in public schools. If we think that that's going to lead to better mental health outcomes, if we think that that is going to decrease violence in schools, if we think that that is going to decrease teen pregnancy, then it is upon us as the people to demand of our representative government that we make it legal for teachers to be able to lead Christian prayer in public schools. If we believe that it would be a negative thing for teachers to lead Muslim prayer in public schools, then it is on us as the people to... push our representatives to pass legislation that... essentially carries the wishes of the people. And then it's the Supreme Court's job to decide what's constitutional and what's not. But it's our job to push our elected officials to pass the things that create the nation that we want to live in. We would live in a much better nation if Christians had the ability to lead prayer in public schools. And actually, nothing is set in stone. There's a good chance I could be pushing for that here in the state of Tennessee next session. We need it. Joanna, thank you for the call. We appreciate it. Let's go to Dean and Spring Hill wants to weigh in. on the Mormon conversation as well. What's up, Dean? Hey, how you doing, Chris? Good, man. What are you thinking? Definitely a Christian, not a Mormon. It just kind of shocks me the leader and how they went about, and it just seems there's some parallels between that and how the Muslims' faith kind of grew. Same type of leadership, same type of kind of a bloody history background. Church I go to, we did have a member that has been, him and his family were lifelong Mormons, and it wasn't mandatory preaching, but he did make a video that we could share, and he talked about everything about his faith, his transition to a traditional Christian church, and he just, he claimed it was a cult.

from his experience of everything that he had within church. Can you send that email to Chris? I want to see that. Yeah, email me that. What's your name of my pastor? Make sure he wants to share it. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't mandatory to watch, but he shared it and anybody could pick it from the church to watch it. Let me see if I can dig that out and get permission from the pastor to share it. Perfect, man. I appreciate it, Dean. Thanks for the call. I mean, I think that it's important to recognize that America is a Christian nation. And one of the reasons why America is in the shape that it's in currently is because the church has really fallen off. I mean, at the end of the day, when we say that America is a Christian nation, we're not saying that America established a state church. In fact, that would have crushed the Christian influence over time in our country. We were a Christian nation because we were a nation of Christians, because George Whitfield ignited this huge revival throughout the 13 colonies. And a huge chunk of the American colonists were Bible-believing, God-fearing Christians. That's why they had the courage to stand up. to the British and even fight the American Revolution. So when I say that we were an American nation and we must remake our country into an American nation, that means that we need to become a nation of Christians again, which means that if you're listening to this and you are not a Bible-believing Christian, then today can be the day. Romans 10-9 says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. And if you're a Mormon listening to this, you'd be like, oh, well, I've said those things and that must mean I'm a Christian. When I say Jesus, I'm referring to an eternal person who was part of eternity past, who created the world with the Holy Spirit and with Father God, who was not a man who ascended to Godhood, was always God beyond time, beyond space, and then went from that down to the incarnation into being born of a virgin, being a man here on earth, living a perfect life, dying on the cross for the sins of the world and rising again from the grave in total victory over hell and death and sin. I mean, I love the simplicity of Romans tonight. It's why you hear me say it so many times, especially a big public events that are more political where there are people there who are not Christians. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, Jesus, you're in charge of my life, not me, and believe in your heart that, raised him from the dead, you will be saved. And we become a Christian nation again when you and your family believe that and serve God. When your friends and their family believe that and serve God. When your neighbors and their family believe that and serve God. You get to reap the fruits. of living in a Christian nation when most of the nation becomes Christians again. Josh Tifo, how can we keep up with you off the air? At Josh Tifo, J-O-S-H-T-H-H-I-F-A-U-L-T, at Josh Tifo on pretty much everything. Jim Rome takes on sports. I will always have a complicated relationship with this game. But people evolve. So do sports. Do not make me regret this. Do not make me devolve. Back to that guy that so many clones wish that I still was. And do not embarrass the entire country. Now, I can go back. I can get there fast. Lose tonight. And you got a real problem. Do not blow it. The Jim Rome Show podcast. You've been warned. Follow and listen on your favorite platform.