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108 segmentsSix past the hour of two. Chad Hartman here with you on News Talk 830 WCCO. 1994, maybe. That might be when I first met this individual. That's correct. It's possible if things work out in early November, at some point next year I'll say Senator Limo is with us because I gave you that nickname when you went to CBS, so it's good to see you. It started as Limo Head. Yeah, that's right. And these little, I remember getting cards drawn by school kids with... like a face of mine with a limo on my head. Yeah. Then it got cut down to limo. Yeah. And people still, to this day, call me limo. They should. You proud of that? I am proud of it. I mean, it's sad when it says about my existence, but all right, we got to jump into it. Okay. Trust me, I'd like to catch up personally, but you are running for a rather important position to be the next senator of this state. There are Republicans, Kendall Qualls included, who you supported. in a previous election who said, if you didn't win the endorsement that you should not run, you did not win the endorsement, why do you disagree with Kendall Qualls that you should continue to stay in the race as you're going to and be a part of the primary coming up later this summer? Let me start by saying that when I jumped into this race, Chad, I made it very clear that I was running for United States Senate and I was going to go to the primary regardless. I worked extremely hard to try to win that endorsement. I loved it. I learned so much about the process that I didn't know before. I met so many, so many delegates all over Minnesota, north, southeast. So many people. And it was great. And it sharpened me as a candidate. But the reason. that I said that going in was because I had seen shenanigans in the past. I had seen results not work out. We haven't won a statewide Republicans haven't won in 20 years. Tim Palantino-6. 20 years. So I just, we also have poll numbers that show us with 52% of the primary vote and the next closest vote getter is undecided at 26%. So this is why I would have loved to have had the endorsement. I don't have it. I just don't agree with Kendall on this. Do you think it hurt you with the true core of the Republican Party? will feel like you should step away. Will it cost you in any way in August or could it hurt you if you should win and you go to the general election? Well, we pushed the endorsement to six ballots, which was, I think.
further than people expected it to go. It was explained to me that probably 50% of the delegates in Duluth at the convention, 50% of them could live with not abiding by the endorsement. Of those 50% I want about 75% of them. So... We feel a lot of wind at our backs. I was honest with people from the get-go that this is what I was going to do. Yeah, this wasn't a change. This was never a change. I've never changed my stance on this. So I'm doing what I said I was going to do, and we'll see. Tim Pawlenty, frequent guest on this show. And he has said repeatedly that it's like a product. If the brand isn't working, You can't put the same brand out there and just being honest about the party that the individuals of the blogging party has offered up, have not been the right people. How can you strike a balance where you can get MAGA? And you can also get the moderates because a lot of the moderates in key races the last 20 years have slid over to the Democrats. How can you balance those two aspects when you need both those to win and become the next senator of this state? I have said continuously, I think we broaden the tent for us because I'm a common sense conservative. The things that I want to accomplish in Washington, I think are... pretty reasonable to most people. And I am a pro-choice Republican, and I think that that will bring in a lot of independence and even some Democrats who are ready for change. Look, we have seen in Minnesota, this isn't working out very well with just a single-party rule. It's not working out very well. We've all been robbed of our tax dollars. We've seen test scores at schools. plummeting. I remember, Chad, when I moved here 33 years ago and then got married and had my son and then we adopted our daughter, I thought, I'm going to be able to put these kids in the best public schools in America. That isn't true anymore. That has been a constant slide downward. I think some of the social issues. are really bothering parents, that they don't have the right to put their kid in whatever school they want necessarily, that boys can play in girls' sports. That doesn't work very well with most parents. I think that is like an 80, 20, 95-5 maybe issue. So I come from a very, just a common sense, conservative place that I think is going to appeal to a lot of people. Okay. Pro choice. For some Republicans, they hear that and they're concerned. Adam Schwarzie, who will be your opponent to win the primary, push back strongly against you, saying that that is out of the mainstream within the Republican Party.
for Republicans who have traditionally labeled themselves as pro-life, who get worried about that, be as specific as you can when you label it yourself as pro-choice. Okay. And here's what I will do. First of all, let's remind everyone that this is a state's issue now. Once Roe v. Wade was overturned, this is no longer a federal issue. I'm running for federal office. This is not likely to come up in the Senate. So. in that way. But things have changed, like unexpected events can happen. Of course, of course. Right. But at this moment, this is a state's issue. And by the way, Chad, I would argue that under single party rule in this state, the abortion laws have gone incredibly, I believe, off the rails in the other direction, that you can have an abortion up until the third term, late term abortions. Now, if the life of the mother is at stake, yes, we can agree on. And that rarely happens, right? Well. But like I just said to you that it's not going to come before the Senate. You said there could be surprises. So things that rarely happen still happen. Right. And this notion that you no longer have to look out for the welfare of a baby from a botched abortion. So I think that those things are. a little too radical for mainstream Minnesota. So I come down on just kind of where we were when Roe v. Wade was still enacted, was still the law of the land. I also want to just share something personal with people. I struggled really, really, really badly to have a child. I come at this with a lot of nuance in my decision making. I lost five children along the way, five babies. We finally had my son, just a miracle, okay? At 40 years of age, he's just about to turn 21. And then we adopted our daughter from Bogota, Columbia. She's just 17. Healthy girl now. I've seen this from a lot of angles. And I can't wait to meet the biological mother of Olivia, my daughter, if she chooses to go meet her. Because I will throw my arms around her and thank her every day for giving birth to that child. that is now my girl. So I just see this from a lot of different angles, but that's where I am. Let's talk about the president. He certainly is very popular with the Republican Party. Right now in this state, which is still leaning Democratic, he is not popular. How do you balance that? How do you get the president's support, but also knowing there was a point when you wrote something and said, Mr. President, thank you. Don't run again. You brought a lot of chaos. To me, someone who's not a support of the president, but someone who's voted for Republicans many times before, I think the chaos never ends. I think you were right then. I don't think the chaos has slowed down in any way. So how can you call out the president when you disagree? And how can you still continue to garner the support of many of his supporters in this state? Well, I think that a lot of people do that. First of all, I wrote that piece on Substack in 2022. So it's been four years ago.
But what I... It's still true, though, on the chaos, right? Oh, listen. He has a style that is chaotic. There's no question. He also managed to close the border when the previous administration told us it was not able to close the border. That is his biggest win. That is his biggest win. And it's a massive one. Yep. And so it matters. It matters and murders down in the United States. That matters. So, you know, I know that there are a lot of people who stylistically... just see the chaos. And I see some of the process too. So, you know, is it a balancing act? Sure. But listen, I'm my own person. And I always have been an independent thinker, which is why I wrote that piece in 2022 and why I stand here right now saying, I'm going to go to Washington and fight for Minnesotans. Are you bothered by his character and how he treats people? You know, I think, like I said, yeah, there are sometimes you see certain things and you go, eh. But again, Maine just elected Graham Platner to be their candidate. It seems that that kind of stuff now. is going by the wayside for a lot of voters. They want results. They want results. Here's the thing. I think I offer both. You know, you always hear people saying, why don't good people ever run for office? Why don't good, just nice, conservative or common sense people run for office? Here I am. I'm doing this not for me, Chad. I don't need a career. I had my career. I had a great, wonderful, happy, successful career that I look back on so fondly. But there was a point where I felt like I needed to be able to opine in this national conversation. And so I voluntarily left one of the greatest jobs on the planet to be able to do this and to give myself to service. That's what I'm doing this for, is to serve Minnesotans and Americans. Michelle Defoy in studio. Okay, let's talk around. It's an incredibly difficult decision that many presidents have faced with the threat of the nuclear capability. And the fact that they probably, if they had the capability, would kill the three of us here in studio in an absolute heartbeat. At the same time, when you go to war the way the president did, again, taking out leaders who I have zero sympathy, I won't cross single tier four, it becomes complicated and complex and it's still there right now. Are you still convinced that was the right decision considering what's happened with the strait, considering what's happened with the economy, and really trying to look for a way out where all parties feel like they've received some sort of victory seems almost unattainable. Was it better to control Iran in a different way than the start of the war, the way it's played out?
I guess I'm a little old fashion. I know there are hundreds of kids in Arlington who were put there by that regime. For 47 years, that regime has been hurting and killing people and maiming a bunch of our soldiers. So like you, I will never shed a tear for those leaders who are gone. We have throughout our history faced very, very, very difficult decisions. Decisions have tradeoffs. And I just filled up my gas tank too, and I feel it. And it hurts. And it's rough. And I am trying to remember to see past next week, past a month from now, and hope. It's hard for a lot of people out there, though, right? Of course. Of course it is. And the inflation number just ticked up. And I'll acknowledge that. That's not fun. It's still lower than it was under Biden. I will point that out. That doesn't mean you have to be happy about it. But this is a decision that requires tradeoffs. Look, we tend to not really. grapple with the biggest, toughest decisions in government. Things like straightening out health care, things like immigration, though some of that has been handled. Things like this group in Iran who chants death to America at every turn. And I have a number of friends here in Minnesota who moved here from Iran when that period started in the late 70s. And they are thrilled with what's happening. Now, that's anecdotal stuff. We don't want the tyranny of the anecdote, but what I do know is that this decision requires tradeoffs. It is tough. It's going to be tough to get through. I just... It still was the right decision you believe at this point. You know what? I do. I want that. I want that... Those 40,000 innocent Iranians who were mowed down. Grotesque. It's grotesque. It is grotesque. And it is just the balance of the other implications that happened. The president continues to say that he won the 2020 election. So a lot of people are asked about it. Did the president win in 2020? The election results were the election results. I let them stand where they are. Right. So Biden won. That's what we had. That's what the results told us. The Biden won and Biden was the president. And the president should drop that, right? You know, he's going to do what he's going to do. Right. Okay, the chauvin matter, which you know has become a part of it. And I know you weren't in the room. But it doesn't matter. I think it was ridiculous. Why was that allowed? Well, so I don't know. I had left that morning, so I wasn't there at the convention date. But I do have an opinion on it, and I will express it. I will not shy away from this. It was silly from what I understand, and I talked to some people who were actually on the stage, that there were a couple of people in the delegation who, on a voice vote, asked for this 10 second of silence and a handful more seconded it, and they just let it happen.
silly, not the place, not the time. Insulting, right? Just doesn't represent the Republican Party as a whole. And so it didn't need to happen there. And I'm glad I wasn't there, but I wish it hadn't happened. So let's play the scenario where you win, okay? And you get the opportunity to write your first bill, propose your first bill in the Senate, which makes the country better and makes Minnesota better. What is that? I'm signing on to the Deporting Fraudsters Act with some other conservatives. Mike Lee of Utah is one of them. And it basically says if you are a guest of this country and you defraud Americans, you're gone. And you don't get to come back. There's no pathway for you to come back. Sorry. Secondarily, if you're an American. and you defraud your fellow Americans, we're now going to talk about strict mandatory minimums in prison. No longer is this a white collar, crime, you pay a fine, yada, yada. No, there have to be consequences because people have gotten stolen from. Not only the kids who didn't get their meals and the autistic kids who didn't get their services and the elderly who didn't get their services, but of all of us that paid the taxes and had it just given away. and shipped out of here in suitcases and sitting in cars and jewelry and lake homes. This has been absolutely bad. And then the third part of this Deporting Fraudsters Act is that states must audit, must show they have guardrails against this, or they don't get the federal funding to begin with. You have talked a lot about Governor Walls and A.Keith Ellison, you talked about even in that answer. JD Vance of Vice President the other day talked about a referral. for a criminal investigation directly into them. I have not been shying criticizing fraud in the show. Dave can back this up. We've had hundreds of segments. But do you believe criminally there is proof? that Tim Walz and Keith Ellison both knew this was happening, that money was being stolen, and they intentionally looked away so a court would find them culpable for their decisions. That's what we're going to find out. And it's about damn time that someone says, is that criminal evidence available? Because they haven't been able to hold impeachment hearings in St. Paul. that was voted down. And so this is the way to find out. Obviously, this oversight committee thinks there is that evidence. We will see. I don't have access to all of that evidence. I do know there's a lot of smoke. And so I'd like to find out. And you know what I know, Chad? I know that every Minnesota that I've spoken with over the past four and a half months or however long it's been wants accountability for the people. who let this happen to our money, your money, your money, my money, all of our money was stolen. And they want accountability. So let's see what happens. A couple last minutes and let you go, because I know your time is short. Where is an issue where you look at where moderate Democrats stand right now, not the further left, but moderate Democrats, where you think in trying to appeal to moderates here Minnesota, that if you should win, you can work with them?
Listen, I would like to believe, and I know I think John Fetterman is one of them, but I would like to believe there are enough moderate Democrats in the Senate and in the House that want to say, you know what, our voting has gotten a little askance here in the United States of America. We certainly see a lot of hints of that in Minnesota. Can we create an voting environment that everyone has faith in again, that everyone feels has integrity? This state's been pretty good, though, right? I don't know about that. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Is there definitive proof? We can talk about definitive proof, but what we can talk about is the fact that Steve Simon won't turn over the voter rolls, number one. And we can talk about the fact that there's this weird law that says that you or I could vouch for eight people in a voting line. Vouch form. Yeah, this is my neighbor. This guy's my neighbor. They're all from Wisconsin. It doesn't matter. They get to get in line and you can vouch for them. That, to me, seems very moves. But are we in a weird position there where we're trying to prove something? when we don't have the evidence to show that. Let's find the evidence. Why don't you turn over the voter rolls, Steve Simon? I think there's a lot of doubt on the credibility of the federal officials and what they will do with that. Let me ask you this. What would they do? You can say there's doubt. I don't trust Donald Trump. That's what I would say. If it was George W. Bush, it was Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, I would trust that. What about the Department of Justice? Okay. Do you trust the Department of Justice being independent of Donald Trump at this point? Listen, with whistleblowers coming out at the speed of light like they're coming out all over the government, I would like to say I would believe that. See, I don't. But Trump has put his fingerprints all over the DOJ, hasn't he? You know, every president does. Do you think it's the same that Biden, a lot of people believe they'll say, backer of years will say Joe Biden did the same thing. Hasn't he taken it even further? I don't know how you would compare those two things because I don't know. You compare it statistically. Do you compare it subjectively? How do you compare those two things? I don't know. I know that. I know that we have a Department of Justice for a reason, and I also don't understand why you wouldn't just open the voter rolls and say, look, here are our voter rolls. You can have a DOJ person here, but we want Minnesota, you know, elected officials here or officials here, and we'll do it together. What's wrong with that? Adam Schwarzie, do you plan on debating him? I am running for the primary that nothing has come up. We'll be at Farm Fest. I think all of the candidates will be there. But will you debate him directly? He's the top candidate, at least as of right now. He won the endorsement process. If he says let's have one or two debates, would you agree? Well, think about it.
Okay, will you debate Peggy Flanagan or Angie Craig? Hell yes. Okay, but why wouldn't you debate your... Because we've already sort of litigated that at the convention. Don't you think more of the public will be paying attention in June, July, August? We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. You know, you could say he's the top candidate because he got the endorsement. We've got 52% of the vote. Right. I mean, he's positioned as your strongest challenge. Would you agree with that? Sure. Yeah. You know, look, we feel very confident. Yeah. Do you have a preference between Flanagan or Craig? No preference. Do you think they're the same person? Politically. Just about. Just about. Just about. Because a lot of people believe Flanningan is further left and Craig is a moderate. I don't believe that Craig is a moderate. Thank you for coming in. Thanks for having me. Michelle to four, you want to react you can. 651, 461, 9226. Lots of texts. We're just going to read them. Senator Aaron Murphy. He's going to join us on Operation Metro Surge. One person is letting me know that I was biased. And then when I said, how was I biased? The person that I just re-listened the interview. It just finished like 90 seconds ago. How did you listen again to a 21-minute interview? In the 90 seconds. Well, you could speed things up now, you know, one and a half times, two times. They went 21 times. It was real fast talking. We asked direct questions that are fair to both parties. That's it. I'm not going to lie, but I'm not going to act as if I don't have my views of Donald Trump to be disingenuous to the audience who's listening regarding. Where I stand on this is also somebody I've known for 33 years, so we can have a little bit more back and forth that I may not be able to have with other individuals. Limohead. Yeah. Okay, so let's just read a lot of texts here. She's not perfect, but I think she has my vote over Schwersey. Tofoil lost me with her faith in the DOJ. Yeah, I just, to me, Donald Trump's fingerprints are all of the DOJ. That's my view. You get to disagree. Michelle obviously does. And let's just be honest. She's any Republican right now, especially in a state that leans left, but you need the president's support, has a daunting challenge in some of these questions. It's just a fact. I want as direct as possible. She was incredibly direct on Derek Chauvin and the moment of silence, unlike so many others. On the DOJ, yeah, I think it's the Donald Trump Law Firm. That's just my personal opinion. Let's see. It's so sad that she can't come out right out and say she just goes to Trump anything. And it took her a long time to have children adopted daughter. Where is this going? Sad. Well, that's awful. By the way, this person better be sympathetic to that because Michelle and her husband, Mark, tried for a long time to have kids and lost kids.
If you're somehow taking a shot at that, I think that would be grotesque. I hope not. I hope that. I'm in love with Michelle Tofoy, Texas says it's exactly what the country needs. Chad, great interview with Tofoya. It's interesting that she's afraid to debate Schwarzy. Also interesting, she couldn't name one issues that she worked with moderate Democrats on. That's not a very difficult question. More texts here. A lot of sidestepping to non-ansters and important questions. I'm disappointed. I thought she was going to be one to stand up and be different. Tofoy made Hartman sound like a fool reason. Chad's consistent pushbacks are so weak. It's absolutely insane that we can't find a Republican to definitively and unequivocally said that Trump lost to Joe Biden. They sell well Biden was elected. Let's see. Can't wait to vote for her. She's the best chance the geopaz winning for a state election. Angie Craig, more text, pretends to be moderate. It's whatever way the wind blows. Let's see. Again, I'm biased. Typical, wacky Republican conspiracy BS, and she's trying to justify bad behavior, even though she soft-pedals it slightly more than others. She certainly didn't soft pedal the chauvin matter. Let's see. Not surprised Michelle said Angie Craig was a moderate because she's after the same centrist demographic. To me, there's a huge difference between Peggy Flanagan and Angie Craig. And I think it's showing right now because the energy in the party for the Democrats is well left. I think it's a mistake. I have no interest in well-left or well-right, but right now Peggy Flanagan clearly has the momentum. Whether that holds up when it goes to the rest of the state regarding Democrats, I'm not quite certain. Operation Metro Surge and the losses, and what can happen? State Senator Aaron Murphy joins us next. I want to talk Scholl, Amber Scholl, and your insurance, and how essential it is, because you need it. It's a requirement, but we don't need to pay as much as some of us are paying, and we want to have the best coverage we can. So that's how I get it with team shoal.com. That's right. S-C-H-O-L-L dot com. You get Amber Scholl. You get Scholl and Associates. So don't just get Amber, who's been with this office, closing in a 20 years, you get another team of experienced individuals with their own points of expertise. Then you get... American family. You talk about the most successful insurance companies in this country. American family ranks with all of them at the top. So you get the buying power, the leverage of American family, and you get a local office like my friend, Amber Scholl, that's everything you should want. I encourage you to reach out to team shoal.com. Tell them exactly what you want. If it turns out, you have better insurance. Stay. But you might be like a lot. I repeat a lot of CCO listeners who have switched already, TeamSholl.com. Fast moving show. This is a show where we had outside arena. In fact, at one point we thought we didn't have arena.
So we were talking about, well, let's just do no guess. We'll turn out Rina, Colonel Hunt, Jeff Day, Michelle Tofoya, and now the majority leader of the Senate in our state. Aaron Murphy, a Democrat, is kind enough to join us, like all of our guests. She's on the John Schuster Coldwall banker. Plenty to discuss, but let's emphasize through most of this conversation. about what came out today from Minneapolis officials. They say the federal immigration crackdown costs the city, residents, and businesses nearly $700 million, according to their latest estimates. Obviously, Aaron, and thank you very much for coming on. You and other Democrats brought this up when the session was trying to take place, even trying to offer up compromise on other bills to try to get some money to these businesses and others in fact in Minneapolis. Now that the number comes at 700 million, do you think you can bring any other Republicans on board who previously were no on any funding towards this? project and helping people out in the city, Minneapolis. Well, I'm really grateful to join you today. And between now and next year, we'll have an election. And I hope that the people who come back to the legislature are ready to do the work for the people of Minnesota across the state. I think it is safe to say that Operation Metro Surge... has cost us in so many ways, and we've got this report today from the city of Minneapolis, but I would add that upwards of a billion dollars in losses between the businesses that were shut down, and I visited businesses both in St. Paul and in greater Minnesota that were shut down by the surge, and people who lost income, not to mention people's loss of civil rights and human rights and... frankly, the loss of life of innocent Minnesotans. I hope that the people of Minnesota make clear that we need to bring relief to those small businesses that have paid dearly with their income, their livelihoods, and our communities have paid dearly with their lives. So by saying that an election is coming up in November, are you saying there's no chance of any sort of... special session that would address this, that the only way money is going towards these businesses is that more Democrats win in early November. You know, when we were negotiating the end of this budget and this issue of... Finding a path forward for small businesses and financial support was something that we were still talking about on the night that we completed session. And I talked with Speaker Damos on the phone to see if there one more time, was there a path for us to move forward with the legislation that Senator Bobby Joe Champion put together. And she said only with significant concessions on paid family medical leave.
You know, Governor Walls has been really clear that he has no intention of calling a special session. So that is a question that he would have to answer. Would he change his mind on that? But I know that Minnesotans have been harmed in all sorts of ways by our own federal government, measurable ways. And the city of Minneapolis quantified it today. The city of St. Paul has quantified it. But people across the state were harmed by what happened. And the Republicans seemed to be in denial about Metro Surge, did not support the bills that we brought forward, and did not support our small businesses that were shut down by the actions of our federal government. If someone is listening right now and they own a business or they're resident of Minneapolis and they were financially impacted, and they know some of the negotiations were taking place about paid... medical family leave. And they believe those concessions should have been made because they need that money. And they're mad that that deal wasn't negotiated. What would you say to somebody in that position? Well, I would say to them that being able to take care of a new baby or your family member when they're sick or at the end of their life is a demonstration of how we look out for each other. And when I think about the ways in which Minnesotans stood up and looked out for each other and took care of each other at the height of Metro Surge, I would say to those small businesses, we are going to look out for you like we look out for each other. And trying to take from families who are celebrating a new birth or contending with an illness in their family is... harm, just as Metro Surge was harm to people, to working people. And I think that I would be happy to talk to anybody who had a different perspective. I'm happy to do that, but it was one more way to bring harm to working people. This is the majority leader of the state Senate. Aaron Murphy, Democrat with us at 45 past 2. I'm going to read you a text that just come in. asks Aaron Murphy how much damage financially and otherwise the protesters should be responsible for. For those individuals who were out protesting made it more difficult in this textor's opinion for businesses to flourish and succeed, what responsibility any do they have to bear? Yeah, I really appreciate that people are checking in and texting you. We do have, you know, a right in our Constitution to peacefully protest. And I'm grateful that Minnesotans did. It has been something that we have experienced since the dawn of this country, peaceful protest. And it is not necessarily kind of being harm to businesses. What brought harm to businesses was an armed and unlawful force of people. who came from our own federal government and pushed people into their homes, away from their work, and to strip people of their human and civil rights. That was the source of the harms that the protest, as they happened, were not the cause of business impact.
It was the fact that workers no longer came to work, diners no longer came to restaurants. If you went to Carmel, it was empty of people because they were afraid for their lives. That's what I think we experienced. It is impossible to ignore that. I hope it never, ever happens again in the state of Minnesota. You also heard, and you know this, whether it was Speaker Damath. Harry Niskin, other Republicans, when they were asked direct and fair questions by members of the media about the amount when it was $100 million, and they both and other Republicans would cite when there was one official day where businesses shut down, and another one that really didn't garner as much traction, but those two and other Republicans will say, well, wait a second, they could have kept their business open, and they chose to do this. They suffer financially, and because of that, in their opinion, that puts him in a spot where they don't think they should benefit from any state money. When you heard the leaders of the Republican Party say that, you say what? Well, I disagree with them. Operation Metro Surge transcended months here in the state of Minnesota, and that's why the impact is so significant. A billion dollars of lost economic activity is significant. It accrued over time. The Federal Reserve did its own study. We had the worst economic winter of any state in the nation. That's not because one day people decided to close their businesses. That's because of days and days and months of a lack of economic activity. And I can appreciate... The Republicans wanting to make that argument and blaming the businesses or blaming the workers, but that just is patently false. It's not true. Do you know right now, and I'll let you go on this, how many businesses at this point are in jeopardy? of not lasting. And it's tough to quantify this because some of these businesses may have been in great position before or they might have been struggling before. But there are a lot of people who believe because of this and they feel validated by this estimate that over the next few months, if you're paying attention to what's going on in Minneapolis, that business after business will be shutting down. You know, I know there are really important efforts coming out of neighborhoods and communities to patronize and to get to those businesses to make sure that they stay open. But I think that it would be fair to say that there are hundreds of small businesses that have suffered an impact and they're working to recover. And we could have helped them, but for... the Republicans who decided to say no to small businesses across the state of Minnesota. I am so proud of Senator Champion and the work that he and the committee did to bring together a proposal that would serve both Metro and Greater Minnesota small businesses who were impacted with loans, with forgivable loans. It was a smart policy. It would have been funded but for the rejection on the part of our Republican colleagues. And that's really unfortunate.
And I am going to continue to get to those small businesses in the communities where I live and the communities where I visit to support them. But we could have done more with the help of the Republicans. The majority leader of the State Senate Democrat, Aaron Murphy. Aaron, thank you very much for coming on. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Aaron Murphy here. I've made my opinion clear on this, and I will add again, I think the growth in our government. has been absurd. When you look at it from where it was with Pawlenty to now, I get that it was going to jump up. It's jumped up way too much. I was clearly against the overreach of the trifecta. But are you kidding me here? The federal government makes a decision. that was run by two incompetent individuals. Gregory Bovino, there's talk Gregory Bovino might run for president. There's your vote, Dave. You're locked in. My God, the little fella. And then, Christy Dome, who looked us in the eye on a regular basis and lied to us. There are businesses that had nothing to do. with big stances on immigration or then just stood out in support of individuals who lived in this state for 10, 15, 20 years and should have been targeted or people who just don't have the same white skin that I do who are targeted. Absolutely the federal government should play a part, but that would be Trump admitting a mistake, so that won't happen. This is an area where part of what draws me to vote for certain Republicans at times is their belief in small businesses. Small businesses were crushed, and they should get some benefit from the state. And I just think this is purely, it's the city of Minneapolis, and we've turned the city of Minneapolis into the boogeyman, where if this was greater Minnesota for a lot of Republicans, they would be helping. And by the way, I would agree with that also. Pella windows and doors. I agree with this. A long, long time ago, when I was moving and looking for a house, there was a house I really liked, and it turned out, guess what? That house had Pella windows indoors. I lived in that house for a long time. And when Pella windows finally came out, when I reached out to them at PellaNortham.com, they replaced a few windows. They made some minor adjustments to a couple other than they said, what do you think you're catching? I'm like, eh, it's fine. And they said, we can make it better. And they brought in a style. that improve the kitchen greatly. That's an example what you see when you go to Pelinorthland.com. By the way, they'll come out to your place for free. Or if you go to a showroom, Brooklyn Park, Woodbury, Plymouth. Then life threw me a strange curveball and I ended up moving, and I would make sure if I was moving to a different place, that Pella, windows, and doors would be a part of it. Great people, all sorts of options for styles and budgets. And right now, the month of June is a great month to look out, adjusted windows, new windows, and save some significant money. Two options here. Zero percent APR for 72 months or 20 percent off your Pella Project, Pellanorthland.com.
What is the bumper music theme of the day, David? Oh, man. Two, 55. Well, we're hearing about parsley sage, rosemary in time for a reason today. We also heard from, what, salt and pepper. We heard Neil Young. We led with salt and pepper, right? Yeah, singing Cinnamon Girl. Happy National Herbs and Spices Day, everybody. Yes, we're celebrating every day. I'm really worried this statement's going to come back to bite me, but I need a bigger spice rack. I've heard that about you. Very limited. You got like the lazy suzer? No, no. I got a pull-out drawer. I got just a few rows. I could use more rows. Teared, you need a tear. It's teared. I need more tears. Yeah. Understood. Yeah. You can get that like custom closet. They'll do that. Yeah. How many spices do you have at home? I don't know which home I'm asking about. In Maple Grove, we have a copious. We even have like auxiliary storage for bulk spices. Do you hand out spices to folks in need? I like to keep the spice for myself. Okay. Only the hottest. Oh, yeah. What do you got? What are you leading with when I'm in the car? I got to do a couple of things downtown, so I might not be in the talk. So maybe at 4 o'clock, I actually don't think the state should help these businesses that got hosed. Wow. I think we have to help them. Tough love. Tough love. Tough love. We're talking about political tone. Got it. Overrated. Overrated, and it really hasn't changed. Jason says muskets. He likes him.