Why is the Wisconsin DPI Protecting Pedophile Teachers?

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Licensing officials also investigated educators accused of grooming behaviors like flirting with children, spending non-school time alone and isolated with students, or invading students' personal space by rubbing their shoulders, thighs, and lower backs. How did all of these investigations effectively get shielded from the public? because rather than face a full investigation those teachers or administrators were allowed to surrender their teaching licenses in exchange for the investigation being dropped moreover the department of public instruction has not been adequately logging these it should not take a year by a couple of investigative reporters for a newspaper to find out how many and who is being investigated for sexually assaulting children among the people who we put the absolute most trust in society in by leaving our children alone with them for seven eight hours a day teachers there is No more trusted position around children than teacher. Even a pediatrician spends, what, a half hour maybe every couple of months on a checkup with a kid? The teacher is in that classroom, five, six, seven, eight hours a day, five days a week, sometimes even more. If there is even an inkling. That somebody put in such a position of trust is abusing that trust and committing one of the most heinous crimes that we acknowledge exists in civilization? That is something the entire state needs to know. And it's something that has not happened. And I dare say that this goes well beyond, well farther back in time than just 2018. According to this report, best estimates show one in ten students experiences sexual misconduct from educators during their K-12 schooling according to a federal report. In Wisconsin, that rate would amount to more than 93,000 school children. That's nauseating to think about. The Cap Times found at least 44% of the Department of Public Instructions over 450 educator license investigations since 2018 have involved sexual misconduct or grooming allegations. A number researchers and advocates say is likely an undercount. of these cases. The Cap Times investigation also found the Department of Public Instruction is dedicating scant resources to investigate educator misconduct raising questions about the quality of its oversight and the protection of children. The department run by state superintendent Jill Underley relies on a rudimentary system to track its investigations.

obscuring the scale of misconduct for policymakers and the public. Licensing officials also allow educators under investigation to forfeit their credentials in exchange for avoiding in-depth probes. Unlike a different agency that regulates hundreds of other state licensed professionals like nurses and accountants, the Department of Public Instruction, doesn't tell the public why an educator lost their license. Advocacies, advocates say this lack of transparency makes it easier for educator misconduct to avoid detection and happen again. Out of 461 teachers, the state investigated from 2018 to 2023 for all forms of misconduct, 207 kept their credentials and could continue working in schools with children. That is unconscionable. All of it. All of it. Now, is it possible that all 207 of those cases didn't rise to the level of a fireable offense? Maybe. But to me, if there is any question about whether there is grooming behavior or sexual misconduct on the part of a teacher or an administrator. If there is even a greater preponderance of the evidence, not a higher standard of guilt beyond reasonable doubt or something like that or even probable cause, but just 51% of the evidence says, yeah, this probably happened. That is grounds for termination. That is grounds for losing the license. That is ground for not being allowed to be around children. This isn't a criminal investigation, okay? This is the Department of Public Instruction. which is in charge of public schools in this state saying, you know what, it's actually a okay that there are a whole bunch of people who were investigated for sexual misconduct who are allowed back into the classroom and we're not going to tell any parents or members of the public about it. In fact, it's very likely that do you remember when the Catholic Church pedophile priest scandal was exploding several decades ago? When the biggest issue with that was that, well, the Catholic Church was not actually having any accountability for these priests. It was just shuffling them around to new parishes. They would just go to new churches where they would repeat the cycle all over again. This system makes that entirely possible, if not overly likely, that the exact same thing is going on with teachers. in wisconsin and because teachers are such a reliable democrat constituency and because dr jill underley is despite the fact that nobody in the democrat party seems to like her very much politically protected because she is a good democrat and because she does whatever the teachers unions want her to do This is a massive issue. And if this just existed in a vacuum, if this scandal just came out of nowhere amidst the otherwise sparkling tenure of Dr. Jill Underley, that would be enough for me to demand her resignation. But it comes amidst another scandal in which...

Underly, unilaterally changed state test standards so that it would appear that Wisconsin's K-12 students were doing a whole lot better on standardized testing than they were. When national testing came out, it revealed that Wisconsin is the single worst state in the country for educating black fourth graders. Worst state in the country. That... Also, you would think, would be grounds for a demand that she stepped down from the Democrat Party of Wisconsin. And the governor, who also happened to be the former state superintendent, the education governor self-styled. No one else calls him that, except derisively, Tony Evers. If that existed in a vacuum, too, that would be one thing. But it didn't. The Department of Public Instruction also hid from the public the fact that Milwaukee Public Schools, the largest school district in the state, had not been forthcoming and not filled out the required forms as to how it exactly was spending its state and federal money. It was months late. Months and months and months went by. The public didn't know about it until after MPS passed a quarter of a billion dollar referendum when it was sitting on $800 million in federal COVID relief money that it couldn't account for. The DPI helped MPS cover that up so they could pass their referendum. What are we seeing here? A pattern of cover up from this state superintendent from this agency. From test scores to finances and now to the very worst thing that you could possibly cover up the sexual abuse of children in the care of Wisconsin schools. We will get right back into this story when the Dan O'Donnell Show returns. Trust me, you are not going to want to miss some more of these nauseating details. We'll get to them in just three minutes. Kudos to Cap Times reporter Danielle Duclos, or Duclos, I'm not exactly sure how she pronounces her name. She did a year-long investigation into reports of sexual misconduct by teachers, school administrators, teachers, aides that were reported to the Department of Public Instruction and put together a truly jaw-dropping story. that 200 teachers who are currently still in the classroom were investigated for grooming, sexual misconduct, sexual harassment, possibly even sexual assault between 2018 and 2023, but are still in the classroom. That's unconscionable. More so that the public never even knew about it.

Did you know how many total teachers and teachers' aides were investigated for sexual misconduct? Not just the ones who are still in the classroom, but also the ones who are allowed to just quietly surrender their teacher's licenses, maybe move to another state and then go right back to teaching. At least 44% of DPI's over 450 educator license investigations since 2018 have involved sexual misconduct or grooming allegations. A number researchers say is likely a dramatic undercount. Out of 461 teachers, the state investigated from 2018 to 2023 for all forms of misconduct, not just sexual misconduct. 207 kept their credentials and could continue working in schools with children. So I guess, okay, a more accurate count would be 44% of the 207 teachers. who are investigated for all misconduct. So what would that be about 90, 91 somewhere in there? We're investigated for sexual misconduct and are still in Wisconsin. That's more than one teacher per county in this state.

Back to this story from Danielle Duclos. Department of Public Instruction spokesperson Chris Cory Booker said the agency is always looking for ways to improve and that teacher licensed misconduct investigations are critical to the safety of children. However, and this is where you will just absolutely either laugh, get enraged, or say, of course, or maybe all three. However, he says, the agency is limited in funding and staffing because state lawmakers consistently cut their operating budget. Of course, we couldn't write down the names and the number of sexual assault investigations that we conduct because our budget is just so limited. I could write down 91 things by the time this show is over just during commercial breaks. I could write it on a piece of paper. You're telling me that out of all the investigations that the Department of Public Instruction initiates, they don't keep a record of any... Because they don't have... What? You don't have... Microsoft Excel? You can't put together a spreadsheet of these? In the current two-year state budget, lawmakers approved a 10% annual reduction, a cut of about $1.3 million to the department's general operations from previous funding levels. Cory Booker said, we do as much as we can with the resources and tools and authority that we have. That is an area of need. I would think keeping tabs on all these sexual predators who are still on the loose in Wisconsin schools would be something that, you know, you could sort of prioritize. instead of giving raises to the relatively small staff. I don't think people quite realize the Department of Public Instruction, it's not like DOJ. It's not a massive state agency. It's actually relatively small because most of the governance of schools happens at the district level, where you've got an elected board that hires a superintendent. The Department of Public Instruction is therefore sort of like the Federal Department of Education. Is it really a necessary agency? Frankly, I don't have much of an issue. With the Department of Public Instruction, if this is what it's doing as an independent agency headed by a separately elected official, I don't think I have much of an issue with that being folded over into the duties or into the executive branch falling under the purview of the governor.

Because at least at that point, Republicans would have a chance every four years to take it over. We ran a candidate in Dr. Brittany Kinzer, who wasn't even a Republican for goodness X. I think she voted for Obama twice, fairly certain she voted for Biden. I don't know. But she was excellent because all she cared about was teacher accountability. student performance and having the best possible education that we can have in Wisconsin. I think she's fantastic. She lost in a landslide. Jill Underley, who is already enmeshed in scandal. Because of unilaterally changing state test scores in order to make it seem like, just so we're all clear. I know I've been harping on this for several years now, but she, knowing she was running for re-election in 2025. She changed the standards that we used to measure student performance so that it would look like students. She knew students were, if anything, student performance was getting worse on her watch, but she couldn't have that running for re-election. So she changed the standards. This total departure from normal procedure. Even Tony Evers was roused from his coma and said, well, that's not something I would have done. Which is about as close to a condemnation as you'll get from Governor Evers, the quote-unquote education governor. She was enmeshed in that scandal as well as the cover-up of the missing funds, basically. And I'm still not convinced that MPS has accounted for every dollar that it spent of COVID relief money. Remember, they were just rolling in dough, but they never reported what it was that they had from federal money that was just coming into the state because of COVID relief. In case you're wondering why we have sky high inflation, it's because the government was just printing money at infinitum from 2021 until about 2024. In fact, I think it was fall of 2024 was the last check the federal government sent to MPS. So MPS had all of this money. They still went to referendum. DPI under the direction of Dr. Jill Underley knew. that they were months, months, months, months, months behind in filling out their required state financial disclosures. But they kept that secret until after. And it was like literally a week. I think it was a week to the day after the referendum passed where MPS soaked Milwaukee taxpayers for 250 million more dollars when they're sitting on practically a billion unaccounted for.

This was a cover-up. In spite of those two scandals, she won re-election in a landslide. I wonder if she would have won re-election had this story. Now, I'm not going to fault Danielle Duclos. The story is done when the story is done. Okay, now if this story had come out a week after the state superintendent election, that would have looked a little suspicious. That said... I actually think this is this is Pulitzer Prize winning stuff. I am dead serious about that. Because this is the church sexual abuse scandal. made all the worse by the fact that unlike a priest who had access to an altar boy for what i don't know i was never an altar boy i think the priests at my catholic school deemed me too ugly okay okay that was a terrible joke i couldn't resist the devil the devil made me to it i'll say a couple of hail mary's in penance i'll go to no no no the priests at at my catholics i went to st mary's hails quarters that was it you could not possibly have nicer, kinder priests or better human beings than there. That said, I think I am now off the wall of distinguished alumni for making – no, no, no, no. I just – I never was an altar boy. I don't know. I was in Boy Scouts. I was in sports. Whatever. The priests have, what, maybe 20 minutes before Mass? Then you go out in front of the entire congregation at church and then what, maybe 10 minutes to take off the, what do they call investments? That's it. Pedophile teachers have hours and hours and hours and hours of access with these students every single day. They have access to student bathrooms, access to student changing or locker rooms, access to private areas of a school where they could go with any student they want, and they have such a power dynamic advantage in the relationship with a student that they can coerce them to do practically anything. Now, this, again, is not an indictment of all teachers. In fact, I don't think, I think... And my kids, I have three kids. One's a senior in high school, one's a freshman, one's in sixth grade. I don't think I have yet come across a teacher. There was one who was just in over his head. He didn't like grade papers and they ultimately let him go because my kids are at a district where they actually have accountability for poor teachers or coaches or whomever. I don't think I've encountered a teacher who wouldn't bend over backwards for kids who doesn't have the best, you know, interest in kids. So this is not a condemnation of teachers. I do not believe teachers are more likely to be pedophiles or to be predators than the general population. But I'm not going to lie, it would logically track, would it not? If you were a pedophile.

Would you not want to be put into a place where you have access to potential victims? What better place than a school? What better place than a school? Now, I heard about that Catholic Church abuse. I think they're still trotting out Peter Illesley or Isley or whatever the hell his name was from the Survivor's Network of those abused by priests. Is that busted down old lib ever going to speak out about teacher abuse? Is Snap going to even comment on this? Is anybody who is so outraged? This isn't to try to defend the Catholic Church because their behavior was beyond abysmal. The Milwaukee Diocese under Rembert Weakland was a disgrace. One of the absolute worst in the country. Thank God. They had Timothy Dolan. They had Jerome Lestecki. They had had a series of archbishops who did the right thing, who cleaned that thing up, who restored the reputation of the church. Who restores the reputation of DPI? Because I don't see. a dime's worth of difference between what DPI is alleged to be doing right now and what the Catholic Church was doing for years. You're listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show. We'll be back to this bombshell report. When we return, it's conservative thought, not just talk. We are following some breaking news. A grand jury has just indicted John Bolton, former UN ambassador longtime national security aid, a former Trump advisor. This according to... Fox News, which I believe was first to report that citing sources with knowledge of the indictment, the grand jury has returned. We will get all of that, all the details on that and much, much more President Trump was asked about it about 10 minutes ago or so in a news conference. He held in the Oval Office announcing lower drug prices. We, however, here on the Dan O'Donnell Shore, devoting a great deal of the three o'clock hour. In fact, very likely the entirety of the three o'clock hour to this bombshell report in the Cap Times by reporter Danielle Duclos, just like pretty much every foreign leader. who is at the Middle East Peace Summit on Monday was nominating President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. I would like to nominate Danielle Duclos for a Pulitzer Prize. This reporting is that good. She talked with a whole lot of parents of abused students, abused students themselves, to try to put this report together.

This deserves to win. This is actual journalism. I'm not just saying this because Jill Underley is a liberal Democrat, and I have thoroughly enjoyed poking fun at her for her entire tenure, that she would be my quote-unquote political enemy. Cap Times is a very liberal publication. Very, very. It's more liberal than the state journal. This, Madison is one of the few cities of its size that actually has two papers. I don't know if either of the, well, state journal is still in print edition. Cap Times, do they even have a circulation anywhere? Is that even still a newspaper? I don't know. I haven't lived in Madison in a long time. But. It's almost like Cap Times, remember I said yesterday that there used to be Republican newspapers and Democrat newspapers. As hilarious as it is, for as liberal as the state journalist, that would be like considered the right-wing paper in Madison. The Cap Times is the liberal newspaper of Madison, and yet you have this incredible report on an elected Democrat. She runs nonpartisan, but she's very obviously a Democrat. and a very Democrat-leading organization and a very Democrat-leaning profession, education, that pulls no punches. Does the Cap Times actually have circulation anymore or no? They haven't done a paper since 2008. I don't think that's probably the last time I've read a physical newspaper, so shows what I know. That is actually probably when they switch to cap times. You're probably right, Eric. Thank you for that. Back to the report from Danielle Duclos. In Wisconsin, the State Department of Public Instruction is responsible for teacher licenses, but doesn't track data on how many educators have been investigating following allegations of sexual misconduct or grooming. Cory Booker, Chris Cory Booker, the department spokesperson, said, quote, obtaining that information would require a good deal of manual work to fulfill how. How? A reporter did it through open records requests. She got five years of data. probably pretty quickly it took her a while i'm assuming to talk to all of the people that she talked to except of course dr jill underley who wanted no part of this story she did not return a request for comment and why would she The Department of Public Instruction, and this is the quite possibly most nauseating part. So they say it would take way too much work to try to get all the data on how many teachers are being investigated for sexually abusing kids.

But, quote, the Department of Public Instruction routinely gathers and publishes data on other potential signs of student harm, such as how often students are chronically absent, experience homelessness, or feel unsafe at school, but not the frequency of educator misconduct. What this means is that it is absolutely very easy for them to track this information. What do you think? Are there more students in Wisconsin or teachers? Very clearly, since there's one teacher for about every 20 kids, students. Yet they have no problem tracking all that data now, don't they? They don't want to track the data on teacher misconduct because just like the test score scandal, it would reflect poorly on them and their allies in the teacher's union. And, of course, they're crying poverty. They're saying, well, we just don't have enough money to be able to... investigate this stuff. In Underley's most recent state budget request, she sought over $600,000 for modernizing the agency's online background checks and licensing platform. The proposal was rejected by lawmakers. Underley requested no additional funding specifically for educator misconduct investigations. The Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction. is also the only licensing agency, it seems, that doesn't publish disciplinary histories. For hundreds of other state licensed professions, disciplinary histories are published online by the Wisconsin Department of Safety and Professional Services, misconduct records for doctors, accountants, manicurists. and others are more publicly accessible than similar records for teachers. The Department of Public Instruction has tried to make the information available in the past, but its licensing software just isn't equipped for that purpose, Cory Booker said. The agency would need new software, which would require funding. I call bullsh, and I'm even going to go so far as to do the first two letters of the swear word I can't say because... That is complete bullsh. They don't have this. You're telling me, every other agency is able to, the manicurists are able to have discipline. So if you are putting on, I don't know, if you're spreading nail fungus at your salon, if you're giving bad pedicures, we have a disciplinary record of you. But not teachers? Because they just, out of every regulatory and licensing agency, they're the only ones, the only ones in the entire state where they can't find this data. They just don't have the wherewithal to be able to do it. Now, do they?

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. It is more of a cover-up. Fortunately, there is going to be some modicum of accountability. We will get to that aspect of the story, what the state legislature is doing next. Cap times, if you prefer, they stop being a daily paper. A caller reminds us in 2008. They do put out a small weekly periodical. Just want to make sure that we are accurate on that score. Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell show. We have spent the entire hour talking about the massive scandal broken by the Cap Times. There have been 200 teachers. investigated for sexual misconduct, grooming behaviors, and grooming. I think we all know what grooming means, trying to build a relationship with a child for the explicit purposes of trying to make some sort of sexual contact or have some sort of sexual relationship with that child. And roughly 90 of them were investigated and back in the classroom. Most of them voluntarily surrendered their licenses in exchange for the investigation just kind of going away. And the public had no idea. The Assembly's Committee on Government Operations, Accountability and Transparency has just... invited which means demanded that dr jill underley state superintendent speak next thursday at eleven a m at the state capitol on quote sexual misconduct and grooming in wisconsin schools There will also be speakers invited from law enforcement. So the state legislature is acting very quickly to get answers from Dr. Jill Underley about what I believe is the biggest scandal in Wisconsin schools in a very long time. Daily Trump date, Senator Ron Johnson, and much, much more coming up in the 4 o'clock hour right here on the Dan O'Donnell show. 4 o'clock hour underway here on the Dan O'Donnell show. Coming up in about, oh, I'd say about 20 minutes or so. We will talk with Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson about the government shutdown coming up at 506. Wisconsin Congressman Tom Tiffany weighs in on that massive DPI scandal that we spent the entire 3 o'clock hour on how 400 plus teachers have been in. investigated by DPI for child sexual harassment, assault, or grooming, but the public never knew about it.

Dr. Jill Underley couldn't be bothered to comment for the incredible report by Cap Times reporter Danielle DeCloose. She will have to answer questions from the State Assembly as she was just called to testify before a committee along with members of law enforcement about grooming in Wisconsin schools one week from today at 11 a.m. All right, four o'clock hour word in the fall fortune cash contest, grand, G-R-A-N-D, grand. You've got until five to the top of the hour to go to our website and enter the keyword grand to enter the contest for this hour. A reminder, no Dano cam today down for just brief but routine maintenance. We actually ended a little bit early the stream yesterday. We're kind of trying some new stuff, experimenting, if you will. We'll be back and better than ever tomorrow right now, though, it is time for the Daily Trump Day. We're going to win so much. You may even get tired of winning. Trump just keeps waiting. It is a win for the administration. It's also a big win for the United States. We have to keep winning. We have to win more. We're going to win more. It was a Maha day at the... White House today as President Trump focused once again on prescription drug prices. He is attempting to get drug prices lower for everyone, second straight day of a big... press conference as part of that, a big Q&A session with reporters. Of course, the big question today was about President Trump's truth social post that he had a phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that the two would be meeting. The president, of course, scheduled to meet with Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, tomorrow. He was asked about that during today's press conference. I've also posted about your call with President Vladimir Putin saying who spoke about meeting in Hungary with him. Do you have a timeline or a date set for when? I would say within two weeks or so pretty quick. Marco Rubio is going to be meeting with his counterpart, as you know, Labrov. And they'll be meeting pretty soon. They're going to set up a time and a place very shortly. Maybe it's already set up. They've already spoken. And I thought it was a very good phone call. I thought very productive. But I'll be meeting with President Vladimir Putin. And we'll make a determination. Tomorrow I'm meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky. And I'll be telling them about the call. I mean, we have a problem. They don't get along too well, those two. And it's sometimes tough to have meetings, so we may do something where we're separate, but separate but equal. We'll meet and talk parties, but this is a terrible relationship the two of them have, and it's one of those things.

Yeah, it's just, it's a shame how, you know, relationships deteriorate. When one guy invades the other guy's country, it's just a man. It's just one of those things. They got a bad relationship. I don't know. It's a fight at a bar or something. They were both in love with the same girl. No, one guy invaded the other guy. That's why they don't have. A good relationship. President Trump was also asked about the Middle East peace deal that was announced on Monday and whether he thought Hamas would honor it. I'm looking at what's happening, and that was the deal that was made, and we'll see what happens. It's calmed down. It's a tough neighborhood. We know that. We have a commitment from them, and I assume they're going to honor that commitment. I hope they do. I understand they brought back some additional bodies today. It's a rough deal when you think of it, right? Very rough. We have our hostages back completely. We were very lucky with that. But it's a tough situation. They brought back bodies today, as you probably know. But they also said they're going to behave. We're going to find out if they behave. If they behave good, if they don't behave, we'll take care of it. Yeah. You, this is sort of the geopolitical equivalent to, you kids better stop that or I'm going to tell your dad. Trump, in this instance, would be the dad. He was also, of course, asked about the ongoing government shutdown now in its 16th day. What we want to do is just extend. We don't want anything. We just want to extend, live with the deal that they had. They want to spend $1.5 trillion on illegal immigrants and they want to destroy health care for everyone else. And it's crazy. Crazy. People that are here illegally, they want to spend $1.5 trillion. So we're just not going to do it. No, we have to take care of our health care. Now, we're doing that today, and we're doing it with, you know, favored nations and most favorite nations. Your costs are going to be dropping. We will talk about the ongoing government shutdown and what it is Democrats really want with Senator Ron Johnson. Coming up very shortly that, ladies and gentlemen, your daily Trump date and your hourly chance to win a thousand bucks in the full fortune cash contest is right now. The word is grand. G. R. A. N. D. Grand, you've got until 5 to the top of the hour. You'll notice I no longer say you've got until 55 past the hour because that's just weird. You've got until 4.55. How about that? How about we just say the actual time? Is this like a radio thing that you're not supposed to say the time because we also exist as a podcast and people could be listening to us at any point? Well, they're not going to be able to go to the website and enter the 4 o'clock word if they're listening to us at 8 p.m. Just go there now. You've got a whole lot of time to enter the keyword grand. We had a winner 24 hours ago. Michael in DePier was listening. He got a thousand bucks. Now, also at this press conference today, President Trump was told that...

His former UN security, national security advisor, U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton was indicted. for violating the Espionage Act of 1917 through the unlawful retention transmission and dissemination of national defense information. This is the result of a multi-year investigation that first gained traction during the Biden administration, but then weirdly was just set aside back in August. John Bolton's home and office were both raided. Agents seized documents marked classified secret and confidential that included materials on weapons of mass destruction, allied military strikes, and strategic government communications. Out of all of the prosecutions that the left is going to say is clearly political in nature. This one is about the most open and shut. He had classified information. He mishandled classified information. And I know a certain president who actually is able to classify an unclassified documents, who was also indicted for this sort of thing. Now, I noticed a little something. This is why hopefully you folks listen to me every single day, because I noticed things that the average person does not. You see, I was watching this President Trump press conference during commercial breaks of this show. It was kind of going on in our three o'clock hour. And Trump was asked about the John Bolton indictment. And here's what he said. It was just indicted by Grand Jury in Maryland. Do you have a reaction to that? I didn't know that. You tell me for the first time, but I think he's, you know, a bad person. I think he's a bad guy. Yeah, he's a bad guy. It's too bad, but it's the way it goes. Okay, okay. What I noticed. is I think Trump absolutely knew that this indictment was. Now, it's a grand jury indictment, so not even the president knows if and when it's coming down, but he has something of a tell when he knows something, but he wants to pretend that he didn't know it. Let's see if you can hear it. Let's see if you can figure this out. It was just indicted by Grand Doree in Maryland. Do you have a reaction to that? I didn't know that. You tell me for the first time. That's it. He says, you're telling me that for the first time. You know what I immediately thought of, and I mean immediately thought of. Five years ago, I think almost to the day.

When Trump was at a rally and he was told that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Supreme Court Justice, had passed away and almost in perfect rhythm with tiny dancer by Elton John, which was playing at his rally in the background. He said almost the exact same thing. She just died? Wow. I didn't know that. I just, you're telling me now for the first time. It's the exact same thing. Listen to what he said today about John Bolton. He was just indicted by a grand jury in Maryland. Do you have a reaction to that? I didn't know that. You told me for the first time. Okay, clearly, he knew that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died. He was very obviously told. The president would be made aware very, very quickly that a Supreme Court justice had died. She just died? Wow. I didn't know that. I just, you're telling me now for the first time. It just... It was like a perfect, this is Trump. Oh, you're telling me now for the first time, I totally didn't know that. The president gets briefed on this sort of stuff. I'm not saying that, you know, he put political pressure on a grand jury. Even a president doesn't know who the grand jury is. That's sort of the point. They operate in secret by necessity. It's, you know, a whole thing. But it was just hilarious. By the way, in case. You had forgotten about that. It is one of the best moments of the first Trump term. Here it is, in its entirety, Trump actually showing the psychotic left how not to celebrate the death of a political opponent. She just died? Wow. I didn't know that. I just, you're telling me now for the first time. She led an amazing life. What else can you say? She was an amazing woman. Whether you agreed or not, she was an amazing woman who led an amazing life. I'm actually sad to hear that. Thank you very much. It just was so perfect with the music in the background. And that's all you have to say, Lefties. When Charlie Kirk gets assassinated... And it's all over social media. Everybody sees Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck on their phones. All you have to say is, look, whether you agreed or not. He was an amazing man who lived in amazingly. You don't even need to say that. All you need to say is, look, whether you agreed with him or not, this was a father, this was a husband, this was someone who clearly loved his family, clearly had a deep and abiding faith in God, and nobody, regardless of politics, deserves that. That's what.

All you have to say, they cannot bring themselves to say it. When we come back, Senator Ron Johnson talks about the government shutdown right here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Conservative thought, not just talk. It is the Dan O'Donnell Show. Welcome back to it. We are now in the 16th day of the Chuck Schumer shutdown, the shutdown of the federal government, that Democrats could end. just by crossing what amounts to, I think, a picket line and joining with the Republicans in the Senate and pass a clean continuing resolution. A couple have, but not enough to get to that 60-vote threshold. Joining us now to talk more about it, and the real reason that the government is shut down is Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. Sir, always a pleasure. Hello, Dan. I hope you're doing well. So what do you think the likelihood is that this shutdown ends anytime soon? I heard the Speaker of the House say yesterday, there's no chance it's ending before this Saturday's no King's protest, because that would look like capitulation before all the crazies gather together in cities across the United States. Well, we know that won't happen because I just came back from voting on the House CR for, I think, the temp time. And Democrats, of course, voted no. So it's not going to reopen up before the weekend. I don't know how long this thing will go. Democrats are pretty well dug in. And that's what I really want to talk about. You know, because they're bringing up the Obamacare enhanced temporary COVID pandemic subsidies. A lot of us are literally focusing on what a disaster, what a failure of Obamacare has been. And so we've been developing an awful lot of data. It just came from another presentation by somebody, one of these, Council for Affordable Health Coverage. And this comports with figures I have. Let me just quickly lay this out. So the original CBO score for Obamacare said it was going to save $130 billion. and it was going to insure a 31 million more people. Okay. Now, the current estimate is Obama here over the next 10 years will cost $1.3 trillion. But here's the real kicker day. Prior to Obama, ObamaCare is all about the individual market, right? I mean, people who, that's kind of temporary coverage, you lose your job, you have to go and buy a short-term plan before you get another job, that's like the thing. But so prior to Obamacare, there were just under 12 million people in that individual market, right? Then Obamacare came about and completely disrupted that individual market.

insurance rates skyrocketed, deductible skyrocketed. Because you really asked that small percentage, you know, 12 million people to bear the full cost of covering people with resisting conditions. They allot high risk pools. So again, totally flawed structure. But by the time, the year of the pandemic, there were only 14 million people in that individual market. Nine million were subsidized. Okay, so we went from 12 million people, nobody subsidized, buying plans they could afford, plans they like. Now, only 14 million people, 2 million people more, 9 million of them are being subsidized. And they had to be subsidized because insurance rates doubled and tripled, sometimes quadruple to some states, okay? Then COVID hit, and then he had Biden do the enhanced subsidies. Now we're up to about 24 million people in the individual market. 20 million are being subsidized. But here's the kicker. We know that there are millions of those policies that... People don't even know they have because of unscrupulous brokers and agents. So we spend all this money. We're spending trillions of dollars on Obamacare to really insure about two to three, maybe four million more people than I think we've probably been ensuring them anyway. Right. So it's been a complete and utter failure and just help furthermorege the future of our children. But yet Democrats are shutting down the government. Okay, putting people's lives in turmoil because they're not getting paychecks. They're being forced to work, but they don't get paychecks because they want to throw more money, good money after this disaster, after this failure. Well, and that's certainly what it seems as though they're doing, and not only that, they're attempting to shield from the public the true cost of Obamacare, that if we're going to make these subsidies permanent, well, isn't that an admission that the Affordable Care Act was never affordable at all? And then you add in, as you said, the coverage that we're providing through Medicaid, and it's not just the emergency Medicaid funding for reimbursements of hospitals that treat illegal aliens, that illegals are getting aliens. Just look at what happened in California, where they exploited a massive loophole, and they're spending billions on illegal alien health care through Medicaid. This is a system that seems as though it is on the verge of collapse. In fact, sir, I'm going to tell you a... Quick little story. So I have had a knee issue pretty much for, boy, six months now, right? And instead of surgery, my orthopedist said, okay, do some physical therapy. And it's done wonders, right? The tears in my knee are not significant enough. They don't want to go in and perform surgery. And I'm feeling so good, but the physical therapy sessions are about to run out. And I asked the physical therapist today, I said, well, you know, could we possibly just extend this because I think this is really doing wonders for my knee? And she said, well, insurance probably isn't going to cover that. And I said, well, what if I pay out of pocket? She said for a 45-minute physical therapy session, which just amounts to stretching some light workouts and then massaging my knee and leg, it would be $500 to $600 a session.

That's insanity. That's unaffordable in the extreme. That's because you have the third-party payer system when people don't know, and even the providers don't know what things are going to cost generally. Right, right. So you don't have the benefits to free market system, but in particular when a government is the provider of the service or the payer of the service. You just charge whatever you want. Yeah. Because government has no idea how to control costs. So that's what's happened in these individual markets. As insurance rates have just skyrocketed. There's a number of reasons for that structurally. But part of the reason is the insurance companies know the people aren't, the actual patients aren't paying the cost. The government privately is. Right. Primarily is in the government. And again, they got Democrats here that are happy to throw, in this case, you know, $400 billion more. to extend what was supposed to be temporary enhanced subsidies during COVID. By the way, just real quick on that. Here's the poverty line. This is for a young family of four, parents 30 age. Your annual premium for Obamacare coverage is $18,000. Right now, 100% that's being paid. If these subsidies go away, you only pay 500 of that. So you'll still be subsidized in the $17,500 if you have the poverty line. And you get, you get an $18,000 policy. That's what Democrats are digging their heels and saying, we can't let that individual pay basically $10 a week for the health care. You know, and it's what's amazing is the exact same thing is happening in college tuition, in the student loan industry. There was just a big story in the Milwaukee Journal, SentinelJSOnline.com yesterday, I believe, maybe the day before. about how Wisconsin is now one of the most unaffordable states for college in the entire country. Well, you can draw a straight line to the amount of student loans that have been federalized. I mean, college was extremely affordable. Back in the 1970s and early 1980s, it was only when the government got involved and handed out student loans to every single person and then guaranteed them and then gradually sort of took over and cornered the market that college tuition is the point where the average American has no chance of ever affording it. I mean, you're looking at UW Madison. I believe the tuition all in is somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000. That's for a state school. No, back in the 70s, I paid 150 a quarter times three quarters, 450, 450 in about the same month for books every quarter. That's insane. So, no, it is absurd. And again, so all that money has indebted our children, dug them in the enormous hole. And all the money just went into colleges and universities. So they have way more administrators than they used to have for a student that, you know, build all these fabulous buildings, which is great. I mean, I don't mind infrastructure, but.

Again, we've just artificially driven up the cost of college to an absurd level. Now, I do ask me, we'll get some of these elite schools coming and bringing students to lobby me for more government funding. The first question I ask them is, how much you guys paying for tuition? Yeah. And they tell me, my jaw drops, and then ask them, do you think it's really worth? You know, fill in the blank, 50, 60,000 bucks. And, of course, generally, those administrators don't bring their students in to my office next time. Yeah, I could see, I could see why they don't. But it's the exact same principle. When you take away free market economies and you instead have the government as the guaranteed payor. What is the incentive to compete on costs, whether it's universities, whether it's medical care, whether it's anything? And it's just remarkable that the left wing, which is now the dominant force in the Democrat Party, even Chuck Schumer's scared of them. They just don't understand this. Do you think it's just that blind allegiance to socialism and the... flawed idea and belief system that, well, if the government has control over everything, then it can dole out largest to all people? Yeah, and they're singular questions for power. and, you know, they obtain power through government because that's a pretty good definition of government, by the way, power. Yeah. And as Lord Amy Acton said, power corrupts. And so government is by and large corrupt. It's been captured by the very entities, agencies, organizations, businesses that they were meant to regulate. But the incentive is just for increasing costs, increasing spending across the board. Again, the free market basically guarantees three things. Lowest possible price and cost. Best possible quality, best possible level of customer service. Two areas are economy where we basically driven free market competition out of is education and healthcare, and we are habitually dissatisfied its results because it doesn't work. He is Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson joining me here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Sir, let's get right back to where we started. When do you think this shutdown ends? I don't know. We are going to... vote on my shutdown fairness act, which again, you know, I proposed the, and we voted on my Eliminate Shutdowns Act. Every Democrat vote against that. Unfortunately, we also had Republican appropriators that, you know, voted against as well. They said it was going to undercut the appropriation process. I've been here 15 years. Should have passed 180 appropriation bills before the end of the fiscal year on time. Yeah. We passed six. So the many 6.7% failure rate, okay? So that doesn't work. But we are going to vote on my shutdown fairness act, which just simply says, okay, if we're going to force government employees to work across the board, not just the military, not just local, you know, all the agencies I don't really particularly like.

If we're going to force those people to work because we call them essential, we should at least pay them, right? So it'll be really interesting. So we're going to vote on that next week, and we'll see if Democrats first, are they going to come back and actually open up the government after their no-kings rally? Or the I-Hate America rally, as I think House members are calling it? Or are they going to then vote down the... very practical and reasonable proposal to, well, just pay the people who are forcing to work, huh? We're going to pay them one way or the other. They're going to get back-pays. We might as well pay them now. Don't make people struggle. Don't play with people's lives with playing with your Obamacare games here. Senator Johnson always appreciate it, sir. Thank you so much. Have a great day. You two. Dan O'Donnell's show coming right back after this. Brewers and Dodgers game three coming up in just a couple of minutes. Brewers, of course, down two games to none as the series moves to Los Angeles and as if the crew didn't have enough to play for. Only three games, three times in Major League Baseball history, has a team that lost the first two games of a Best of Seven series at home. come back to win the series. All three times happened in the World Series, so the Brewers would be making some history if they're able to come back. You can absolutely not get down three games to none. It's next to impossible to come back from that. But not only are the Brewers playing to save their season, there is a growing sentiment across Major League Baseball that the Brewers might actually be playing to save baseball itself. in 2027. Jeff Passon of ESPN.com wrote a piece that I think put into words what a lot of baseball people are thinking and that because of labor unrest, there is almost certainly going to be an owner lockout before the 27 season. The current collective bargaining agreement goes until the end of the 2026 season. But much like 1994, the two sides appear to be so far apart that labor peace is looking less and less likely. And as you might imagine, 32 years later, the sticking point is going to be a salary cap. How can the Brewers save baseball? Well, simply by beating the Los Angeles Dodgers. I know, I know, already difficult because they're down two games to none, and now they have to play three in Los Angeles and effectively win all three or two of three just to stave off elimination. But... The Dodgers have committed more in salary to Shohei Otani and the two starters that the Brewers faced, Blake Snell and Ham was called him Blake Smell. He absolutely did not smell in game one against the Brewers. He faced the minimum batters through eight. And Yamamoto in game two, he threw the first complete game in Major League Baseball's playoffs since 2017.

They pretty much have more committed to those three guys than the brewers have to their entire roster. I mean, you add in mooky bets. The entire Dodgers organization just top to bottom is incredibly well paid. The roster is the literal best that money can buy. And it seems as though the team coasted through the regular season by saying their pitchers are quote unquote injured and dramatically limiting their innings. So they come in fresh. If you're wondering why the Brewer's bats all of a sudden just went to sleep, it's in large part because they have only faced, what, four pitchers in this series one. in game two but that's because the dodgers just have such incredible arms in their starting rotation and they're they're very well rested but passin's argument is that if the dodgers win back-to-back world series and remember they are the defending world champions With a roster that was constructed with millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars in deferred money, meaning like the old Bobby Bonilla contract, Shohei Otani is going to be paid by the organization long after he retires. He's deferring a substantial portion of the money he would be owed now to essentially fund his retirement until he's 60 years old or whatever it is. Because the Dodgers. operate without a salary cap and are able to just outspend every other organization including even the vaunted yankees remember the last time that there were some efforts at control over salaries it was actually the last time and passing points this out in his piece on ESPN the last time there was a back-to-back world series champion believe it or not it was the Yankees in the early 2000s 25 years ago. Baseball has gone 25 years without back-to-back champions. Now, that has sort of bolstered the argument. Well, there is parity. Well, small market teams can compete. The Kansas City Royals won the World Series about 10 years ago. You've had the Miami, then Florida Marlins win the World Series years back. But remember, the entire concept of the movie Moneyball and the book that inspired it. is that it's an unfair game. It is a fundamentally rigged game because of just how much more money the richest teams can spend than the poorest. And yes, the Brewers have made the playoffs consistently for the past seven years, but they invariably will run into a better funded opponent in the playoffs. And the people who want to have a lockout to try to take care of this to bring even more parity to the game so that clubs like the Brewers just aren't.

going to run into this playoff buzzsaw year after year after year after year are actually rooting for the Dodgers to win. Because if the Brewers win, well, then they prove that, hey, even the team with a payroll, barely above that of Shohei Otani's salary, can actually win and actually beat the highest salaried team in Major League Baseball. We don't need a lockout at all. But there are a whole lot of people. And most importantly, there are a whole lot of team owners. who are saying we absolutely do need a lockout if the players don't agree to a salary cap. Otherwise, the game is going to just be played by the wealthiest team. Now, as you folks all know, I'm a big soccer fan, and this is the way it is in top-tier soccer. This is almost the reason that there is a Champions League. So in the domestic leagues, like there's an English League, so the Premier League, and there are, of course, various levels. There's La Liga in Spain. There's, you know, Syria, in Italy. There is one or two teams that dominate. The Premier League, they're known as the Big Six. And they're the six clubs that spend more than anybody. And it's almost impossible for a team like... Leicester City or Nottingham Forest to actually win. In fact, when Leicester City did win the Premier League championship some years ago, it was considered one of the biggest upsets in the history of sports because they were actually able to win against clubs that are just way more able to spend on top players across the world than they are. Baseball is getting to that point. When you got the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Mets, shockingly, the Toronto Blue Jays were up there in spending, and wouldn't you know it, they're still alive in the ALCS. They got whooped in the first two games at home by the much lower salaried Seattle Mariners. But the point is that you're seeing the same teams over and over and over again. If the brewers are able to win, if they're actually able to come back and win this series, well, then the owners might not have the best argument. You might be able to convince more owners, okay, okay, it's not necessarily just raw spending that wins playoff series and championships. You need to have, you know, great bullpen arms. You need to have a great manager. You need all these other things in addition to spending money on... Stars. All right. So as if there wasn't enough pressure on the Brewers, win and save baseball lose, and there's probably going to be a lockout in 2027. Brewers and Dodgers game three coming up. And so too is more of the Dan O'Donnell show. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell show. Coming up in the 5 o'clock hour, we will talk with Wisconsin Congressman Tom Tiffany, who is running for governor and is furious about that scandal that we told you about surrounding the Department of Public Instruction, basically covering up for pedophile and groomer teachers and substitutes and student aides and administrators. It was a bombshell year-long investigation by the Capitol Times, which apparently is calling itself the Cap Times. Now, we will talk about that and also Dan O'Donnell's show exclusive. A Waukesha Alderman attempts to docks ICE agents operating undercover in Waucahaw. But something goes hilariously wrong. And then, of course, the story that... Everybody is now talking about across the country, the Brewers Karen, who has been fired from her job at manpower after an incident during game two of the Brewers Dodgers, NLCS, and the first pitch of game three now just a couple of minutes away time right now to name the unsung hero of the day.

Today's Unsung Heroes of the Day are a group of mostly second graders at Lincoln Elementary School in Port Washington. According to today's TMJ4 reporter Alex Gall, they've raised more than $130 selling handmade rubber band bracelets to help repair their broken playground. The decades-old jungle gym has been closed for most of the fall due to rust and exposed metal that made it unsafe for students to use. And for months now... Milo and his after-school friends Jackson, Adeline, Marlowe, and third grader Nora have been taking action. Every day after school, the students have been creating rubber band bracelets in the school's gymnasium. What started as a fun activity quickly became a serious fundraising effort. Milo said, we have a new kid in our class, and she hasn't been able to play on the playground, and I think everyone should be able to. We switched it to $1. for bracelet, he means, because I don't think anyone's going to want to pay for a $2 bracelet. Good thinking, Milo. The young entrepreneurs have cornered the school market selling their bracelets to classmates and teachers throughout Lincoln Elementary. Principal Jane Getterman said she was taken aback when the students approached her with the donation. She said this is an example of students. that took doing really good things even further than just in their classroom or playing on the playground. They took it to the point of trying to make an impact in a larger way. And what a cool... Thing the school actually patched up the playground this week. It's now reopened, at least for the time being officials are still waiting on permanent replacement parts. They have already ordered. The student's money will instead go to the school's parent organization to help with future renovations. What an incredible story. Kudos to Alex Gall. TMJ4 does a remarkable job finding these little human interest stories. Our unsung heroes of the day, Milo Jackson, Adel. Marlowe and Nora, congratulations. You guys and gals are doing incredible work. If you have someone who is doing great work in the community or just deserves a shout out, an add-a-boy, some accolades, nominate them to be a future unsung hero of the day here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Just shoot me an email, DOD, at IHeartMedia. dot com it is just that easy we will be right back with another chance to win a thousand bucks in the fall fortune cash contest congressman tom tivity and much much more right here on the dan o'donnell show

back into it final hour of the Dan O'Donnell show And we are looking for another winner in our fall fortune cash contest. Of course, we did have a winner yesterday on the program. In the 4 o'clock hour, Michael, listening to us in DePier was selected as the nationwide winner. He takes home a thousand bucks. Be like Mike. And win a thousand of your own. All you need to do is go to our website and enter the keyword money to enter the contest. for this hour. M-O-N-E-Y money to win $1,000 cash money to enter the fall fortune cash contest. You want to join the Dan O'Donnell's show this hour, 414-799-1130 is our advent knows.com talk and text line. You can email me, DOD at IHeartMedia as well. It was a truly shocking investigation. We were talking about it extensively in the 3 o'clock hour. The Cap Times found the State Department of Public Instruction investigated more than 200 teachers, aides, substitutes, and administrators from 2018 to 2023 who were accused of sexual misconduct or grooming behaviors towards students and that this was not at all known. to the public. The department's internal records, according to the cap time, show these allegations included educators sexually assaulting students, soliciting nude photos from children or initiating sexual relationships immediately after students graduated, and instead of actually following through those teachers and aides and administrators were allowed to simply surrender their licenses. And the investigation... would disappear there are no records in other words in way too many cases of some of the worst crimes that you could possibly commit as a teacher or someone with access to Children, this is one of the biggest scandals in the history of the state's Department of Public Instruction. I believe it is one of the biggest scandals in the history of education here in Wisconsin. Joining us now to talk about it is Wisconsin Congressman and Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Tiffany. Tom, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, good to join you this afternoon, Dan. Were you as shocked reading this last night as I was? Yeah, it's unbelievable that this is happening, but it's clear the lack of transparency that goes on with the Department of Public Instruction. But should we be surprised, Dan, we're seeing the collapse of the education system here in Wisconsin. Think about it. One in three fourth graders can read at grade level here in Wisconsin. We have a long, proud tradition of having kids get a good education. It doesn't matter whether it's public, private, or parochial in Wisconsin.

They get a good education. It has collapsed over the last about 15 years. And remember, while Jill Underley's at the head of it now, the person that was the head of the department public instruction prior to her was Tony Evers. Exactly. Governor Evers, Governor Evers, the so-called education governor. This all started way back on his watch. And we've seen this slow decline that appears to be gaining steam. As we go along here, where, I mean, we've fallen behind Mississippi. And now you find out that Jill Underley is concerned about two things. She's just concerned about protecting pedophiles and the system. She wants to protect the system at all costs. And not only that, she is blaming the utter, I mean, this is, this is, I don't want to say it is criminal negligence, but I think it is bordering on criminal negligence the way that these. investigations were just sort of allowed to slip through the cracks in the way that these are tracked and these are handled. She's trying to blame this through a spokesperson. Of course, she did not sit down for an interview with the Cap Times. No real surprises there. uh she claimed well there might be a conflict of interest because she is in charge of teacher license give me a break she was avoiding that story like the plague but through a spokesperson she said that they just don't have the funding because Republicans in the state legislature just are not giving them enough in the budget to actually investigate all of these claims. This is directly from the Cap Times. Okay, I'm going to read you this quote. In Underley's most recent state budget request, she sought over $600,000 for modernizing the agency's online background checks and licensing platform. The proposal was rejected by lawmakers, quote, Underley requested no additional funding specifically for educator misconduct investigations. In other words, if she really wanted more funding for this problem, Clearly, I think Republicans would have given her the money. She just didn't ask for any money for specifically investigations into teacher misconduct. She's refusing to take accountability for the failure that is at the Department of Public Instruction. As a parent and having talked to a whole lot of parents over the years in the kids, school that our kids went to, we expected two things. We expected our kids to be educated well.

that is not happening in Wisconsin at this time. And we also expected to make sure that they were taking care of the safety of our children. The two fundamental things, that's all us parents ask for, is safety and a good education. And Jill Underley and the Department of Public Instruction, and by the way, Governor Evers should be included in this because this started way back with him. That is what has happened to Wisconsin's educational system. This needs to be reformed, and I can tell you, if elected as governor, I will make sure that we reverse what is going on here in the state of Wisconsin. We will set higher standards, not lower standards like Jill Underley. We will have honest report cards that parents can count on, and we will make sure that your kids are safe in their schools. And if we have... school administrators that do not follow through on that, then they will be removed. As well, they should. Tom Tiffany, joining us here on the Dan O'Donnell show. He is, of course, running as Republican for governor. He's also Wisconsin congressman. Does Jill Underley need to resign as state superintendent? I think she needs to take a deep look whether she is capable of doing this job. It appears it is not the case. I mean, think about another case that, I mean, it's all stacking up, right, Dan? I mean, you don't go to someone and say, oh, you know, you should resign when there's a one-off. Mistakes happen. But this has become a pattern. One in three fourth graders being able to read at grade level. This happening in regards to pedophiles. But also think about the MPS situation just in the last year where the Department of Public Instruction did not reveal the financial missteps by MPS before their referendum. The referendum barely passed. If DPI would have revealed that information to the voters of Milwaukee, they almost certainly would have not voted for that referendum. And it's those type of things that have become a pattern in the Department of Public Instruction. It is time for change. And by the way, Dan, if that change doesn't come from Jill Underley, it's going to come from me as the governor, the next governor of the state of Wisconsin. Now, Underley was just elected in the... Boy, past what would it be six months, right? So she is just starting a new four-year term. Would you as governor, if she doesn't resign amid this scandal? You make a great point that I had actually mentioned that a couple of hours ago. uh the the the fact that dpi just completely covered up for the state's largest school districts so they could get a ridiculous money grab when they were already sitting on 800 plus million dollars in federal taxpayer money that they could not possibly account for just refusing to turn over required documents uh if she does not resign

Amid those that the test score scan I think it's also equally a big scandal as I as I've outlined for a year practically the fact that she unilaterally changed testing standards so it looked as though Wisconsin students were performing much better than they were if she does not resign amid this and I have no reason to believe that she's going to resign Would you as governor put pressure on her to resign? I mean, what could you do if that doesn't work to maybe take some of the power in administering education away from the Department of Public Instruction? Because under underly and under Evers and under pretty much every state superintendent for the past three decades, they have proven they are unfit to lead. Would you commit to doing kind of what President Trump... did and try to dissolve like he did the department of education the department of public instruction it's always about follow the money and that is what we would do with the budgeting process is we would make sure that money goes to students and parents good teachers let's pay good teachers more money And let's put that money in local communities rather than the system. We're going to change where the money goes to so that it's incentivized for success. Let's get the money to those that are being successful because I'm willing to spend more money on education, but only if there is accountability and we are going to get successful outcomes for the people of the state of Wisconsin for students and parents. So that's what I would do is use the money to make sure that we get results for the taxpayers in the state of Wisconsin. Earlier you touched on education standards and test scores being much lower in Wisconsin now than in Mississippi. I want to touch on that because it's being called the Mississippi miracle. And I'm not sure how closely you were following what's happened in Mississippi and just how they have turned things around. They completely overhauled how they teach reading. And what they do is they've gone back to phonics-based education, but they also, if a student is behind significantly in, I believe it's third grade, they will actually hold that student back. And as a result of that, they've got kids who are, you know, unfortunately embarrassed that they've got to repeat a grade, but they're getting those basic skills, which is clearly serving them much better later in their educational journey. Would you commit to doing something like that to following Mississippi's lead here in Wisconsin?

There has to be accountability, and to leave the phonics portion out of reading is really a disservice to students here in Wisconsin. It's why our reading scores have fallen so much. So, yes, it does need to be revamped. I believe the Fort test, which is a bit of an arcane issue, but the test that's given to students at our colleges of teaching. and it's the foundations of reading. That test needs to be reinstituted in all of our colleges of teaching here in Wisconsin, and it needs to be rigorously applied. So any student graduating from a UW System College, they pass that port test showing that they know how to teach reading. And so that's really going to be a key to doing that. The second thing is, I will put. the colleges of teaching here in Wisconsin on notice. This is in part your fault because you've used these social engineering programs. You've been involved with the Woken DEI stuff. knock it off, get back to the basics of teaching as we've had. I mean, I think about the teachers, Dan, that I had in school and many of the teachers that my daughters had in public school here in Northern Wisconsin, they were great teachers. But that's because they were taught pedagogy properly. We need to get back to that. And our schools of teaching here in Wisconsin need to reform in order to turn out teachers that will teach our kids as they should. Wisconsin Congressman Tom Tiffany, a candidate for governor next year, joining me here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Sir, thank you so very much for being so generous with your time. Yeah, great to join you, Dan. Anytime, sir. You are listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show back in just three minutes.

Now to a Dan O'Donnell show exclusive about a Waukesha Alderman whose name is Rico Camacho. No, seriously, his name is Rico Camacho. He is not a professional wrestler, a luchador, if you will. He is not the president, played by Terry Cruz in the fantastic movie Idiocracy. Although, when you hear what it is that Alderman Camacho did, you will swear he is straight out of the movie Idiocracy. Yesterday on his Facebook page, Rico Not So Macho Camacho, Posted a picture, a couple of them actually, of a group of guys just sort of standing around on the streets of downtown Waukesha. They look like just normal dudes. They've got their hands in their pockets. A couple of them are wearing baseball hats. They just are standing around. Well, not so macho Camacho gets it in his head that they're actually undercover ice agents. And the caption for his two pictures is, Everyone, please, please stay alert. Stay inside. Ice is in Waukeshaw in the corner of parentheses. People's Park. They are undercover. He then uses a bunch of hashtags. designed to do people still actually use hashtags? I know I'm middle-aged, but even I'm hip enough to know that nobody uses hashtags anymore. But he uses a bunch of hashtags designed clearly to get as many people as possible to see this hashtag, Waukesha, Wau, Wau-D-Y, Waukesha-Sha strong, Wau County, La Casa de Esperanza, Wausa, Wausa-E-E-Eparanza Charter School, and School District of Waucahaw. So he's very concerned. that the children getting off of school at those schools, Waukesha School districts or La Casa Esperanza Charter School, are going to be walking right into an ambush. These undercover ice agents are just going to tackle them to the ground. Get them into an unmarked van and drive them off to parts unknown, probably down to that El Salvadoran hellhole that they took the poor Maryland father, who actually turned out to be a drug gang, cartel-affiliated human trafficker. Kilmara Brego Garcia. Not so macho Camacho was very scared about this. Until he realized that those guys were not actually ICE agents and in fact just random dudes. He issued a follow-up post on Facebook, quote, So I want to be clear that I received information from concerned constituent because there was a belief that ice was by People's Park. I was completely incorrect.

that these people, all caps, were not ICE agents. I should have done my due diligence and checked to verify, but I overreacted. I apologize to anyone and the men in the photo going to lunch, that's a typo, going to lunch, that may have felt a potential harm to the situation. I will ensure I take this as a learning opportunity and take full responsibility. For this. Hashtag City of Waukesha. Hashtag Wau. Can we please get Alderman not so macho-Cimacho to stop using hashtags? And also, you know, the attempts to docks and potentially get a mob of people to harass innocent men in downtown Waukesha. Seriously, I know I'm making fun of this, but this had the potential to be a very serious situation. What have we seen in Chicago, in Portland, in Los Angeles, where there were full-on riots? People were trying to prevent ICE from doing their job because ICE, of course, is President Trump's own personal Gestapo. What would have happened if someone actually saw Not So Macho Camacho's post and went down to where those men were standing? Armed with the information that they were clearly undercover ICE agents, and by the way... How does what we hear from the left all of the time about how, you know, racist Republicans, they profile people. And, oh, boy, I, unfortunately, I've got to get to the story that has now just gotten massive international attention. The poor woman who dared to say, how about we call ICE to the guy from Los Angeles swearing at her as he's filming her during game two of the. Brewer's Dodgers series. Uh, well, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, fine. We'll get to that next. I, I have not wanted to talk about this because this just, this, this gives in to the left wing feeding frenzy surrounding these sorts of things. And it just, it is, whatever. Okay, we'll get, we'll get to that next, we'll get to that next segment. But all we hear from left-wingers is, and this woman, this woman, the woman who was fired from manpower is on the board of the Make a Wish Foundation. She was racially profiling, right? I'm sure we've all seen the video. She said, let's call ICE because the guys who were taunting her appeared to be Hispanic. She was profiling. Well, was not Alderman Not So Macho Camacho racially profiling a bunch of white dudes who clearly had to be cops or ICE agents because they were standing around with their hands in their pockets in the afternoon in downtown Waukesha. That there's no other possible reason that a group of guys, I don't know, maybe they were going to a restaurant, maybe they were going to one of the many...

establishments in downtown walkershaw no no no they have to be ice agents and watch out watch out because these are evil white ice agents and what would have happened i seriously want to know what would have happened if a group of people had seen the facebook post and gone to confront those guys And heaven forbid started to attack them. And we have seen coordinated attacks on ice agents. And in fact, they were and have been timed to the no king's protest back in June. Wouldn't you know it? There is a no king's protest coming up the day after tomorrow. So what if these people are all agitated? They're all amped up. And they're loaded for bear. on a group of dudes who just happens to be standing in downtown Waukeshaugh, because an alderman was inciting people to what? What? He was warning the poor innocent children that ICE agents were there, or, like so many left-wing politicians who claim to be tough guys, and I think this is actually what not-so-macho was doing, trying to be a little bit more macho than he otherwise normally is. I think he was saying, just like Mayor Brandon Johnson in Chicago and that idiot mayor in Los Angeles, Karen Bass, say, not in my city. Ice agents cannot come in my city. We're going to resist them. I think this was not just a warning to the poor illegal immigrant children of Waukesha. I think this was something that amounts to a call to action to the people who hate ICE agents, who hate President Trump, who hate the idea that immigration law is actually being enforced. And this guy was taking it upon himself. to docks these agents. Too bad, not so macho Camacho was truly the living embodiment of idiocracy here in Wisconsin and couldn't even get it right. He was absolutely attempting to docks these ICE agents. Oh, look, here, these guys are ICE. Anyone recognize he's posting their picture on the internet? What other possible reason could there be? And this is another thing that left-wingers have been demanded. Well, ICE agents need to take off their masks. Why? So you can dox them so you can do exactly what not-so-macho-comacho was trying to do. Folks, this could have very easily... had a very, very bad ending. And quite frankly, I don't think Alderman not so macho Camacho's apology will cut it. All right, we get into the story of the woman they're calling Brewers fan Karen when we come back here on the Dan O'Donnell show.

Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell Show. I can guarantee you that not a single other member of the media is going to make a big deal out of a sitting Waukesha Alderman. mistakenly identifying random men as ICE agents and attempting to docks them or potentially get a crowd of people to harass them as has happened in other city. Guarantee because the rest of the media is far too busy obsessing over a story that is just tailor-made. This is like catnip. To the left wing media, I'm sure you have heard about it. The Brewers Karen, a woman in Milwaukee who was fired not just from her job at manpower, but also she was removed from the board of the Make a Wish Foundation here in Milwaukee after she made an unfortunate and yes. pretty racist remark to a Dodgers fan who was rather obviously attempting to get a reaction out of Brewer's fans right behind home plate after it was obvious the Dodgers were going to win game two of this seven game series. Here is the video that has been all over social media for the past 24 hours. Why is anybody quiet? What is it? Oh, what's everybody quiet? What is this? I'm sorry. You know, I'm like, call ICE. Call ICE. Call ICE. What you have a citizen? We're a veteran, baby, girl. We're veteran. Two wars. Ice is not going to do nothing to me. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Call them. Call them. Call them. Fucking idiot. That fan is named Rico Fosada. He had two tickets to the Dodgers Brewers game at American Family Field on Tuesday night. And Fosado told Fox L.A. that he endured some taunts when the Brewers got up early. But when the Dodgers started to score, that's when the audience's attitude started to change. Now, here's where this is just an unfortunate reality of the world we live in right now. Once the video, first of all, Fosato did talk to Fox 11. He said, I think she just let out her true colors, you know, let herself, let it out of baseball, and took it out of the cheering into something, some more personal level. And that's undoubtedly true. Okay. It is 100% true, and that's incredibly wrong. The only thing I can agree with the woman whose name is now forever Brewer's fan, Karen, or Brewer's Karen. Sort of like that, Philly's Karen, who berated the dad a month or so ago into giving up the baseball for his kid. She is just never going to let that down. I don't believe she was ever actually identified. This poor woman was within a matter of maybe hours.

Of this tape just going viral and we'll get to that part in just a second. The one thing I do agree with her is the guy was drinking some sort of fruity, fizzy drink, you know, like a Mike's Hard Lemonade or something like that. And look, I am one who enjoys those. But she said, drink a beer like a man, you bleep. I kind of agree with that. I say that as somebody who does like Mike's Hard Lemonade. In fact, for my money, the very best one is from Eagle Park Brewery, great local brewer. I'm dear family friends with the brothers who are behind Eagle Park Brewery. They have, do you remember as kids, producer, Eric, drinking ecto cooler? Yeah. Yeah, well, they actually have a seltzer called, well, it's called spectocooler. It used to be called ecto cooler, but I think the folks at high sea or the people who own the Ghostbusters. I don't even know what movie studio owns the intellectual property Ghostbusters. I think they threatened a lawsuit. So they changed the name to spectro cooler. It tastes exactly like the ectocular drink boxes that all of us, generation Xers and older millennials grew up drinking in the 1980s. Absolutely fantastic. So look, I love me a fizzy, fruity drink. But you're at a ballgame. Drink a miller of white like a man. Then again, he's a Dodgers fan, so, you know, we're just like, we're lucky as a Dodger fan. He wasn't just sipping a Chardonnay while he was talking. to this woman. Her employer, Manpower Group, posted a comment saying, as soon as we became aware of this video, the individual was placed on immediately and we began an investigation. As a result of this process, the employee is no longer with the organization. We remain committed to maintaining a culture grounded in respect, integrity, and accountability. Fox 11 also learned that she resigned as a board member of the Wisconsin branch of the Make a Wish. Foundation. The Dodgers may have won, but Fosato missed the last three innings. This from Fox 11. The woman complained when Fosato said call ice and then apparently took a swipe at him. Okay, this is just poor reporting. The woman complained when Fosato said call ice. Oh, oh, okay. I see what he say. I say, yes, never mind. I take that back. I take that back. Fox 11. Please don't get me fired. Yeah, when he said call ice, he was taunting in that sound. Call ice. Call ice. What are you going to do? And then apparently took a swipe at him. Fosato and his friend were then ejected from the stadium.

He asked, why am I getting kicked out? What did my friend do? Why are we getting escorted out? And the only reason they gave us is because we're Dodger fans, Fosato said. Uh, yeah. But he was clearly getting up, videotaping the woman, attempting to get some sort of reaction from somebody, anybody in the stance. And frankly, I absolutely hate it when people do this. It's when you take the good-natured out-of-good-natured trash talk and you just start... intentionally provoking people. That's clearly what this guy Fosato was doing. I mean, let's not kid ourselves. He's a veteran, and obviously I respect that. I respect the heck out of that. But come on. And nor am I going to defend the woman saying, call ice. You know who she could get, she should get together with that alderman from Waukeshaun, not so macho-comacho, and they can all look for ICE agents together. Yeah, the one story is going mega viral. One story will clearly end with me. Guess which one is actually the bigger deal? I would say it is somebody with a position of power and authority in government attempting to docks innocent people. But then again, what do I know? It has the veneer of racism and anti-Latino sentiment. And it gets to portray a city like Milwaukee and a state like Wisconsin as full of a bunch of backwoods racist hicks. So, of course, the media is going to run with it. Of course they are going to use this to portray Wisconsin and Milwaukee and all white people, basically, as just wanting to call ICE on every Latino that they come into contact with. There are always two sides to an argument. Any dispute, you know, Fosado, did he deserve to be, you know, has a call ICE? Ultimately, okay, I'm sorry. Is that the biggest thing in the world? I'm half Sicilian. If somebody comes up to me and says, hey, I hope somebody goes and makes you an offer you can't refuse, like some reference to the godfather or the mafia or something. I'm going to be really that offended. No, of course not. But of course, this is 2025 liberalism. And if you are in a protected, exalted class like a Hispanic American, then of course you are. going to be offended. In fact, you are legally required to be offended anytime someone brings up the three forbidden letters, I, C, E. But Fosato was intentionally getting in this woman's face. He was intentionally, and you can see on his video, obviously you can't because it's radio right now, but I'm sure to look, Google Brewers Karen. You'll find the video in three seconds.

Everybody is sitting kind of stone-faced because it's rather obvious this guy and his friend have been going at it for quite some time trying to provoke some sort of reaction. I'm not saying that the entire section full of Brewers fans was perfectly behaved. They were probably given it to those guys wearing the Dodgers jerseys just as bad, but it's like it just, it never ceases to amaze me. How people, and I guess the same is true in politics as well, how people let just blind allegiance to something as silly as a sports team. Like, how about you buy the guy of beer in the first inning and you start talking like, hey, where are you from? How'd you become a Dodgers fan? And you're good-naturedly teasing each other throughout the game. Every single time, I swear, every single time. I have seen somebody in a post. You know what? This just popped into my own. I'll give you the classic example. Class of example years ago, probably 2019, 2018, somewhere in there. The kids were younger. And I was talking to a friend. And he said, oh, you know, I was thinking about going to the Conca Calf Gold Cup final. It's a... continental soccer championship. And I said, oh, that's awesome. Where and when is it? He goes, well, it's tomorrow at Soldier Field. U.S. is playing Mexico. I said, oh, man, that's going to be a great match. So I went online. I had to get tickets from like a stub hub or something like that. And I surprised the kids. The boys, Gracie, I think, was way too young to go. And my wife and I and the boys went down to Soldier Field. And... We got ourselves decked out in Team USA gear. It was a whole lot of fun. And the entire, I'm telling you folks, the entire stadium. It had to be 70%, 30% Team Mexico fans. Okay. And they're yelling. And in the intervening years, it has really gotten. The fan behavior has gotten. awful between USA and Mexico. But back then, it was, I was in a whole section and we were geared up in our team USA stuff. And the boys were little. And we're sitting with a whole bunch of team Mexico fans. And we were, you know, obvious Hispanic dudes and actually another family. And we're just talking. We're chatting. We're, we're, you know, just laughing. They're giving the kids high fives. And, you know, the guy I was sitting next to actually, I ended up taking a bunch of family photos. I did the same for him and his family. And it was wonderful. And as we're walking out, no taunting whatsoever. We're all wearing TVSA. Like, oh, hey, sorry, Team USA. One guy I kind of struck up a conversation with as we were getting souvenirs or something. I don't really remember outside of the stadium. And I'm talking to him. And he said something that will still stick with me. It still sticks with me like six, seven years later.

He said, yeah, you know, we may have won the Gold Cup, but, you know, we're all here in America. So I guess America wins the competition of being the better country. And we both started laughing at a bunch of other guys around us, started laughing as well. That's how you do it with rivalries. It's friendly. It's sports. It's fun. It's, you know, I know in the playoffs and emotions run high, but man, oh, man, oh, man, like, let's not take the good-natured out of good-natured ribbon. You're listening to The Dan O'Donnell Show. We will be back. Mary shortly. The Dan O'Donnell Show is coming right back. It really is impossible to stress just how much the media loves stories like the Brewers Karen won from Game 2 of the National League Championship series because it allows them to propagate this blatantly false narrative that racism is this massive out-of-control problem in white America. Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell Show. Just a couple of minutes left in today's program before we close up shop. Never mind that there was a massive blackout over the story about that poor Ukrainian refugee who was stabbed to death by a black man on a bus or was in a subway, whatever. Public transportation. You see, that... I've already forgotten about this story. It did happen just a couple of days before Charlie Kirk's assassination, and that story just, you know, took over everything, at least for a while until the media decided that we're just never, ever, ever going to talk about Charlie Kirk ever again. The suspect... could be seen saying, I got that white girl. I got that white girl after he stabbed her multiple times in the neck. She bled out on the train, while a number of other people on that train who happened to be black in this surveillance video did nothing. They barely even looked up from their phones when a guy stabbed a girl to death right next to them. Now that's, it sure looks like, obvious anti-white racism. It's just totally ignored. A woman says call ice at a Hispanic guy at a brewer game or I'll call ice or let's call ice or whatever the hell she said. And it, of course, is a massive national story. You might remember that the media would not air that story. They would not air the video, at least before it got to the graphic part, the part that you actually could air on television because they didn't want that narrative.

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