The Joyce Kaufman Show 12/9/25 - Pope Leo XIV visits Muslim Countries, Mark Twain and his battle with the republican party, Gov. DeSantis Former House Speaker Paul Renner joins the show

This is the Joyce Kaufman podcast, honest, straight, and unapologelic with your host, Joyce Kaufman. You know, some days I wake up and I think to myself, it would be so much more fun to be like an old rocker who could get paid like a million dollars for doing some kind of tour. And not even really have to perform very hard. You just basically show up and the audience sings your songs. Now, granted, first you have to have a very successful rock career, which requires a lot of talent and a lot of work. But I just, I have to laugh sometimes because so many of us work so much harder than the people that we watch on television, the people we listen to. You know, and the illusion is that they're never happy. Of course they're happy. Maybe they have the same things we all have, relationship issues and stuff like that. But goodness graces, it makes me laugh when people say, if only I was more successful, okay. You know, that never really worked for me. I like. being relatively successful, but I, you know, this is just a job. Everybody's just working at a job. Even those very glamorous looking jobs. And some jobs are absolutely crazy. Like I watched whatever his name is, John Paul or something, get beat up in a wrestling match. Not that I was watching the wrestling match, but I have grandsons. And they had this wrestling match on it. That is named Chris Paul. I don't even know. He's got two first names. And he used to be like an MMA guy. And now he's in the world of wrestling. And he acts. I mean, you know, he's at the pinnacle of his career. He's famous. Everybody knows who he is except me, who can barely remember his name. But I'm watching him the other day. And he's getting beaten in a ring. And I'm thinking, No, you really couldn't pay me enough money. I know someone who boxes. You just couldn't pay me enough money to let people punch me or kick me or hit me. So I don't care how glamorous their lives look. Everything comes with a price. Now, unfortunately, I am getting so tired of popes. Yeah, I really... They seem to be getting successively worse, if that's possible. Like, wouldn't it be nice if a pope, actually, this was the line that Daniel Greenfield used. He's, of course, one of my favorite commentators. I use his stuff in my show all the time because he's brilliant. But he doesn't make a great guess, though. He's just brilliant. But wouldn't it be one nice if a pope actually stood up for Christians instead of for Muslims? Because if you ask me, that's something that Christians, particularly those living in the Middle East, could really use. Instead, we got this Pope Leo following in the footsteps of Pope Francis by refusing to discuss the genocide that's going on in Africa.

And he's also apparently obsessed with importing more Muslims into Christian countries and creating these Muslim terrorist states right inside of Israel. How does that help anybody? Certainly doesn't help Christians. So why would you be the ostensible leader of Catholics if you're not about helping people who believe in Jesus Christ? He's just been visiting a bunch of Muslim countries, is why I bring it up. And some of these countries, you see, if you know history, if you're like me and you're into history, you happen to understand that a lot of these Muslim countries used to be Christian countries. And he made his first visit to a mosque since he became Pope. And what did he do when he got there? He took his shoes off because that's what, you know, supposedly a sign of respect. This was Saturday. He went to the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. I thought he was at like a nightclub, the Blue Mosque. This is a worship center that's been around since the 17th century. It's considered an Ottoman-era architectural masterpiece. I mean, if you look at this, the pictures are stunning. They have turquoise, ceramic tiles, all over the walls and the dome. So here's the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, walking around with a bunch of the Muslim leaders through the mosque's courtyard, and he takes his shoes off. And he's walking around in his white socks, the first American pope. This is a guy who is a Chicago white socks baseball fan. So that's why he wears white socks, I guess. But what is all this showing respect to everybody except Christians? And walking around virtually in his bare feet. And he was invited to pray during the visit. And the Vatican press office actually sent out a statement after the visit, saying that Pope Leo had prayed at the mosque and that he had been welcomed by the head of Turkey's state-run religious body, despite neither of those things actually happening. The Vatican then had to issue a statement. which referred to Pope Leo as observing a brief moment of prayer, that that had been sent in error, and they took it out of the booklet that they produced before the trip. So did he pray or didn't he pray? More relevantly, did he mention the status of the Islamic hijacking of the Hagia Sophia? I mean, certainly, his handlers, the Muslim handlers, knew the history of the Blue Mosque, because I know the history of the Blue Mosque. It's not a club. It was built to appeal to Allah after they failed to capture Vienna. Does Pope Leo know that? You know, past popes would have known Europe's history of conflicts with Islam, but I don't think he does.

Not the great American pope. And the irony hits harder when you see that he goes on to visit a Lebanon. Well, Lebanon used to be a Christian state. Ask Brigitte Gabriel one day. What happened to her homeland? Because she's a Lebanese and she was a Lebanese Christian who was forced to become, oh, please. It's just, you know, I feel as if All the people in these positions of power are certainly the ones who are paraded around as though they were the ones in power are not all that bright and don't know all that much. You know, I remember when you would have generations of Catholic families in Lebanon. They were a very prosperous Christian nation. You know, the usual baptisms and communions and weekly confessions and all that stuff. And then the transformation came. It started with a civil war. And the decades, literally, decades of conflict and economic strife that followed, especially the area south of Lebanon's capital. which underwent sweeping demographic change. There was violence on all sides. I mean, the pews of Mar Youssef got emptied out as the Christians left, and the Shiite Lebanese, they became a core base of support for Hezbollah, the terrorist organization, the sprawling, political, military. spiritual group. And violence was all they knew. So the Christians fled and Islam took over. And when you actually go into one of these churches in Lebanon, you're greeted not only by a photo of Pope Leo the 14th, I think he's 14th, but also you can look out the window right there. and see a giant mosaic of the Ayatollah Rahulah Koimani, the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and, by the way, the main sponsor of Hezbollah. So, during his three days in Lebanon, Pope Leo, is doing what previous popes have all done, which is, deliver a message to Christians in the Middle East. Please stay. The darker the hour, the more faith shines like the sun. Don't give me that. You know, that's what he told the people. Stay for what? Does the Catholic Church have more meaningful support to offer than stay and stay calm and stay silent about Muslim persecution? Pope Leo has nothing to say about the Islamic persecution of Christians, but he did declare that the Holy See for many years has publicly supported the proposal of a two-state solution. We all know that in this moment, Israel still does not accept this solution, but we see it as the only solution that could offer a solution, da-da-da-da-ut solution.

Because the one thing Christians in the Middle East, never mind the Jews and everybody else, the one thing they need is another Muslim terrorist state. So if Pope Leo is going to call for a two-state solution anywhere, how about in Lebanon? Just saying. But it goes unnoticed, it goes unremarked, it goes un talked about. It's not, you know, it's not appealing subject matter. They'd much rather cover things that you and I know have absolutely no relevance to the lives of Christians all over the world who are basically watching their fellow Christians getting slaughtered. And the Pope, the leader of the biggest Christian denomination, the Catholic Church, says we need a two-state solution. You know, cab please. It's my job to make sure that you don't get snowed. by the kind of commentary that's all too familiar to us all. I think Mark Levin did a fabulous job last weekend of actually, you know, just talking about this Islamization that immigration is responsible for, and what it means for an economy. You know, if we can't make it about the dollars, I almost said the Benjamin Netanyahu's. But if we can't convert it to a discussion about economics, nobody's even interested. So he did that. He was able to do that. But what he is unable to do, what I am unable to do, is wake up the majority of people. Stop being, you know, intimidated into overlooking the unacceptable, which is what we see. Oh, dear. Not an auspicious start here today, huh? Well, listen, it can't be helped. I got to tell you what's going on around you. I don't want you to be one of these blind sheeple that just goes along. And okay, well, today we're talking about Pete Diddy has a phone in jail. Oh, really. Not on the Joyce Kaufman show. Can I have Paul Renner on. It's my new favorite guy. Well, because he makes a lot of sense. You hear his plan. It means that you and I, as Florida taxpayers, could get a break. Isn't it about time somebody started looking out for the Florida taxpayer? I know we're doing better than most other states, but we could be doing better still yet. Anyway, don't forget to download the 850 app. That way you could hear the podcast. That's up and you could get breaking news and participate in our contests, all that good stuff. Or at least visit the website, 850WFTL.com. And of course, my podcast is available on all the platforms. So there's absolutely no way you can tell me you couldn't hear it. You can hear it. All right. Quick break. I'll be right back. So, I don't know, I shouldn't say that nobody else is covering some of these harder subjects, but so few people are. And they're always like excusing their coverage, trying to preempt you calling them an Islamophob or whatever. I've been a phob of so many different things that I think we should just call me a general phob. You know, if it's...

If it's something that's not good for me, if it's something that's not good for my community, if it's something that's not good for my family, if it's something that's not good for my country, I'm phobic. I have a phobia about that. And I shouldn't have to apologize for that. I get so tired of watching, particularly people like me, we're getting paid for our opinion. At least give it. And don't act as if you have to qualify everything you say so that on the off chance that someone in the audience may be insulted, you've covered yourself. I'm not interested in covering myself anymore. If people get offended, by an opinion, whether it's mine or anybody else's, they have the right to be selective about what they listen to. They can write emails and letters, they can call into shows, they can express their discomfort, whatever. But basically, they can just don't participate in it. I see so many people who watch news miserably. And I mean that literally, the way I just said it. They're miserable sitting in front of the screen, sighing and exploding in rage. Now, this is something that I do for a living. And so I'm probably more carefully watched than most. But this is my job. It's not my life. There are so many people, particularly here in South Florida, because we have a large retired population, that just spend way too much time engaged in these controversies, and then they're unhappy. They're absolutely miserable. Go golfing. I don't know. Go watch a good movie. Do something else with your time, all of this, you know, kvetching over the political situation. Leave that to me. Unless someone's paying you for it, you know, don't kvetch, listen, evaluate, and then move on. But again, they just never, they've never figured that out. Jeff Jacoby had an interesting piece. I think it was in today. Yeah, it must have been today's. Boston Globe, that's where he writes. He said that he was reading Ron Cherno's new biography of Mark Twain. And he thought, oh, this, you know, Chernow is a brilliant biographer. And of course, Mark Twain is a legend, right? He's a literary legend. He wrote books about Ulysses S. Grant, Cherno did, and John Rockefeller. And so now he's writing a book about Samuel Clemens. Samuel, I used to know what his middle name was. Samuel, I'll think of it. Samuel Langhorne Clemens, that's right, would not.

you know, a biography about him should be fascinating, right? I mean, this is the man who wrote Huckleberry Finn, Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. It would be nice to read about Mark Twain's life. And during the reading of this book, according to a friend, no, according to Jeff Jacoby, I think in his piece he was talking about, that reading this book and reading about the political evolution of Mark Twain, particularly in the 1880s, when he broke with the Republican Party establishment and became a proud mugwump, he said, you know, you'll be taken aback by passages that leap across 140 years and sound exactly like what we hear today. this sort of degraded, hypocritical partisanship of this era. You know, Twain was a moralist, and he was cynical, especially about public officials. He was the one who described members of Congress as the only distinctly Native American criminal class. But if you don't know how closely he battled with the Republican Party of his time, then you ought to do a little deeper dive. I'm going to read this now. I know much about the subject, but I'm always fascinating with this, because he had the same kind of fights with the Republican Party of his time that never Trump conservatives have with the GOP. And there is nothing new, okay? It's like Shakespeare said. There's only one story. It's just we tell it differently. But there's always just one story. And, you know, party allegiance, I don't know about the rest of you, but it really can get uncomfortable. No matter which party you belong to, no matter how long you've been there, no matter how close to your faith or your intellect, the party appears to be. The day will come when you just say, oh, I hate even this party. You know, I can't be, I can't pledge allegiance to the party of any party, this party. You know, I can't be, I can't pledge allegiance to the party of any party. I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. That's the only pledge I'm doing. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat for any long period of time. I kind of have dilly-dallied in both parties and never been satisfied. I think Mark Twain is the one who said, vacillation is my forte. Must be mine too. My political instincts are always moral, not partisan.

All right, well, I'm going to have this conversation with Paul Renner, particularly because, you know, Byron Donalds's, who apparently has no interest in appearing on the show, I'm not quite sure how that might have come about. But probably not, I'm not the right person to do that to. You know, I don't ask much, but always be respectful of the show and my listeners. And all of a sudden, Mr. Donald's is pro amnesty? Oh, boy. Well, we'll talk about that with Mr. Renner in just a few minutes. So stay right where you are. I'll be right back. On the air at 8.50 a.m. On your phone with the 850 app. And streaming live on Alexa. Just say Alexa, play WFTL. Stay connected. This is a Bloomberg money minute. President Trump is hitting the road tonight. He's hoping to drive home his claim that he's making America more affordable. He'll hold a rally in Pennsylvania. He's going to be in Mount Pocono. That's a town he flipped in 2024. That helped him to win the swing state and return to office. The Fed is meeting for the last time this year. By the time it adjourns, it's all but certain to call for another quarter point interest rate cut. On Wall Street, stocks have been mixed ahead of the announcement. If you need a job and you are a recent college. graduate, Oscar Meyer wants you to drive the Wiener Mobile. That's the giant-sized hot dog that criss-crosses the country every year. The company is looking for a dozen hot doggers to drive and maintain the vehicle on the year-long adventure you have until January 31st to apply. Paris Hilton wants to make coffee hot again. The socialite and reality TV star is partnering with international delight on a new line of creamers and cold foams. Daria Albinger. Bloomberg. Do you or someone you know have dry macular degeneration? The Joshi I Institute in Boynton Beach offers Valeta photobiomodulation, the first treatment that can improve visual acuity for dry macular degeneration. Led by a board certified retina specialist, Josie Eye Institute is among the first in Florida to offer this treatment. Call to see if you're a candidate at 561-767-99 or visit joshiI.com. That's Joshi-E-Y-E dot com to schedule your... consultation today. This is Mike Motto from the law firm of Hicks and Mata. I've been practicing law in Palm Beach County since 1995. I've seen a lot during these past 30 years. But lately, I've seen car accident victims make the mistake of hiring the wrong law firm to represent them during their claim. They either never meet with their attorney, their attorney never calls them back, but they have no idea the status of their claim. This will never happen to you at Hicks and Mato. Why you ask? Because you matter. Your case matters. Results matter. Hiximato.

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And, you know, the state of Florida, we have some very colorful politicians. Sometimes I'm embarrassed when I think about, you know, for instance, Sheila Sheriffless McCormick, right? Here she is sitting in a seat that was literally carved out for I'll see Hastings, or as I prefer to refer to him, I'll see what I can steal Hastings, rest in peace. But, you know, now all of a sudden, you know, we find $5 million of FEMA funds ends up. up being used for her campaign and not for relief to people who live in a state where we actually need FEMA. She needs to go. She needs to go. And I don't know why anybody is hesitant about saying that. But you've put forward some pretty interesting ideas. So why don't you tell the audience a little bit about this newest plan. Well, as many people know, because they feel it in their pocketbook, property taxes have gone up twice as fast as our incomes over the last four or five years, and they've gone up over 50%. And so while we were talking about the problem last year and the legislature couldn't get on the same page with a governor to put something on the ballot, our taxes went up in 2025. And guess what? In 2026 they're going to go up again. And a core problem is while they work on a longer term reform. is we won't see that on the ballot until next November and won't feel it in our pockets until the November 2027 property tax bill. And so what I proposed is an immediate legislative rollback, which can be done legislatively. We don't have to go to the constitutional ballot and just simply roll back to 2024. What does that do? It guarantees nobody gets a tax increase next year, and everybody will get a tax decrease. So we take a little bit of the edge off of the suffering that people have had and trying to hold on to their homes and just afford... all the things that have driven, the prices that have gone up so much in every aspect. And at least we can do this and get government out of the way to help our pocketbook. So do we need a special session for this to come forward? Well, I've called for one only because I called for this a month ago, last month, and there was zero action. And while they're debating it, the clock is ticking. As I said, come January, we're going to be all facing increases in our property taxes. And so the one way out of that is what I propose, which we call the renter rollback, which is going back to the 2024 levels. And they can do it in a special session, literally, in a couple, three days. I've been there before. This is probably a one or two-page bill at most, simply to have that language in there and order the counties really to go back to the 2024 levels, which is still well above our incomes and would be adequate to fund public safety, education, infrastructure, et cetera, while still giving everybody a modest tax increase. And then we go ahead and look at the longer term picture of... of more broad-based reductions in property taxes. But it takes courage. That's the part that I think people misunderstand. A lot of great ideas are always put forward on radio talk shows, but it's a whole different animal to push for that kind of legislation and to take the slings and arrows that inevitably are going to come. I mean, you've got some competition for this nomination.

And, you know, lately I've been seeing some pretty strange stuff coming out of the Byron Donalds's campaign. Like, is he pro amnesty now? I'm really not sure. Actually, I'm more confused the more of his speeches I hear. Well, I've seen a lot of videos with a lot of differing positions on a lot of different issues, and on the question of property tax, what you won't find for many of my opponents or those thinking about getting into race is a plan. I'm the only one that actually has a Florida first affordability plan in multiple areas, and the rollback is one of those to help make Florida affordable again, and the rest of them have no plan. Right, right. So what would you need? I mean, in this proposal, you're asking for a supermajority vote of any local government if they're going to try and increase taxes or even increase fees because they get real tricky with those fees. That's a form of taxation, but people are not aware of it. Right. So with the rollback, it's as simple as just legislatively passing that to move us all back to the 2024 levels. Going forward, my larger reform in the affordability plan is to do what you said, that is to have a supermajority like we have at the state level. If you increase a tax or fee or you create a new tax or fee, your county commissioner, city council ought to vote by a super majority to do that to take money out of our pockets. And then I also want the voters of the next election. to have a referendum to say yes or no. And so if they decide, no, we think that's a waste of money, no tax increase. And if they say, yeah, we need that for more schools or whatever the issue is, the government should be able to make the case to the voters as to why their taxes should be going up. And so I want to make sure we have those guardrails in place in the future. So this doesn't happen again. We have this big run-up that goes far beyond our income and ability to pay. And of course, we have to look out for seniors. I am a senior now. And it is really, I listen to the pain in my neighbors when they have to face some of these, you know, property taxes and certainly insurance costs. And nobody speaks to them except every two years they come around and ask them to vote. Yeah, that's right. And so we've got the rollback as our part one. And I know the governor's talked about eliminating homestead property taxes altogether. We can look at that and I'll certainly offer a plan of some replacement taxes to make sure that we can fund essential services and the like. But in the meantime, the other thing we need to do that does have to go to the constitutional ballot, I believe is to protect our seniors through a save our seniors plan, whether that's, you know, you turn. 65 or 70 and you stop paying any more in taxes, just whatever you pay that day on your birthday is all you'll ever pay. Because what's happening, Joyce, as you know, it's a 3% per save our homes. That's 30% in a decade and your Social Security isn't going up 30%. Your retirement's not going up that much. So when people have stopped working, we really need to look out for them to make sure they're not losing their homes and being priced out and having to leave a home that they may have lived in for 10, 20, 30 years.

And then also for our first-time home buyers is another area of concern for me where people don't believe they'll ever buy home that are graduating today. And the average age today is now 40 to buy your first home, which means the American dream seems to be shut down for a lot of people. We can't have that. Yeah, no. When I saw those statistics recently, about 40-year-old getting their first home, I thought. My goodness, you know, I grew up in the 50s and 60s, and I can tell you that in your 20s, you were looking at your first homes. And here, you know, you were talking about, add 20 years to that before you can begin that process? How are you invested in your community if you don't own anything? It's why you see such criminality. It's why you see so much dysfunction, I think, in the various communities. And I would add to that, that's why you see a communist get elected in New York City, because if people think that the system shut down for them, they start to believe the false promise of socialism, which is we'll make everything free and it'll all be fine. It never works, but it's a tempting promise anyway, even though it's a false one. Right. What do you think about all of these? I mean, we've talked about this before, but for those listeners who may not know, I'm sick and tired of these private equity companies buying up the homes and the condos all over from Dade to, you know, Martin County. And the prices are reflecting this kind of surplus in their hands and not in the hands of committed home buyers. Is there anything we could actually do about that? Well, I agree with you, and I would pull whatever levers I can as governor to fix it, is what I would say, because it's choking off supply. We want to make sure not only the private equity, but also big home builders versus little home builders. There's nothing wrong with big home builders. But what's happened is with more and more government regulation, the little guys can't make it anymore. And so that competition then goes away, and not surprisingly, the price goes up. And so we're not in a good situation right now, and we need to look at all of these things. But I agree with you. I don't want to see private equity come in, and especially where they come in and buy up a whole neighborhood and then turn it into renters. And, you know, there's nothing wrong with renting. I rented. But at some point, you want to own something. You want to have equity. And I want to make sure that's a real possibility for every single Floridian when they come out of school to get a job, work hard, and own a piece of the American dream by owning a home. Right. And I'll tell you what else would help those people coming out of college is if we ended some of this H-1B visas where you got people being employed here in this state before American workers. That just doesn't work for me. That's right. And so part of our Florida first affordability plan, which is on boat renter.com, you can look at all of it, is as governor, I will not allow for any state workers, any state contracts or state employment to be H1B. We're going to make sure we're hiring U.S. workers, Florida workers for all of those jobs. And then I think at the federal level, which is, of course, they control whether we have or don't have H1Bs.

I think we need to pause on it. And frankly, I'm leaning towards some of the legislation that's been passed to say, we just need to pause immigration for six, 12 months. We need to figure this out because clearly it's broken. The H-1B abuse is an example. The shooting in D.C. is another example. This guy came in legally. He was, quote, unquote, vetted, and he killed Americans. And so we really need to revisit where we are on immigration and make sure that we're picking, you know, it's like adopting someone into the family. There's no right to take whoever shows up at the door. We have a right to pick people that are going to really contribute into the country. We are a nation of immigrants. I get all that, but there's been so much, so fast and so much illegal immigration that we really need to pause and catch up. Yeah, and when people tell me, oh, but who's going to do X, Y, and Z job? I say, well, we should be doing a better job at educating people. Not everybody should go to college. We need an expanded, you know, trades training, whether it's vocational training or technical training, those jobs used to be higher-wage jobs for people who didn't want to go to college. And that's part of our affordability plan as well, is to really encourage the trade schools, vocational education, make sure that we're looking at apprenticeships and how we can be helpful there in working apprenticeships with various trades to get people not only through school and have those skills, but also, you know, that training, that two, three years of training where they can really have a lifetime career, a good career in plumbing, electricity, HVAC. And, you know, my plumber, he can't retire because there's nobody coming behind him. And he's done well for himself. Owns a company. And he's out playing golf on Friday while I'm, you know, Bill and Hours as a lawyer on Friday. So this is not a secondary job. It's a primary job and a good job for many, many people. And we need to start encouraging by sending the right signal. And I will do that as governor to say, look, there's something for everybody and having a job that doesn't require college education. is nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, it may be something to be proud of because you can turn it into something really special when that company becomes your own and you can really provide for your family very, very well by doing so. Yeah. And finally, I'll let you go, but how did you feel watching these six, I don't even, I hate calling them legislators and, you know, law enforcement professionals who thought it was a good idea to tell the military that perhaps they shouldn't obey orders. As a man who was a naval officer, both on active duty and in the reserves, what do you think of that? Well, we all have an obligation to the Constitution. You said it earlier in your show, and that's always been true. But for them to intimate that there's been any unlawful orders, which there aren't, is really, to me, kind of signaling to people that, an encouragement to do that. And we've seen, you know, the same kind of thing where there were threats, you know, intimated toward the Supreme Court if they would reverse a particular decision. And sure enough, we have somebody that...

you're going to be an Islamophob. But even if it's true, is it still a phobia? The order linked the Brotherhood to helping create and fund Hamas, which of course calls for the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jews in Judea and Samaria, and of course murdered over 1,200 men, women, and children in the deadliest attack since the Holocaust on October 7th of 23. And a fundraising that the Brotherhood does, the money goes to these terrorists. And the Brotherhood's ideology is irreconcilable with the principles that we hold here, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Forget it. The Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, including the right to religious freedom and equal protection under the law, means nothing to the Brotherhood. Nothing, nothing, nothing. So Ron DeSantis did what the Trump administration did, which is... Begin a process by which these groups are designated as foreign terrorist organizations. I thank you for your time this time until next time. My plan is to be back here tomorrow at 3 p.m., if it be his will, and he delays his comment. What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. So wherever you are, just be yourself. Everybody else is taken. God bless you. God bless Israel. And God bless the USA. See you tomorrow. This has been the Joyce Kaufman podcast. Available everywhere you get your podcasts.