The Joyce Kaufman Show 4/20/26- Political noise vs information , Corruption and the 2019 impeachment vote against Trump, 2020 election interference

This is the Joyce Kaufman podcast, honest, straight, and unapologelic with your host, Joyce Kaufman. My goodness, it's Monday, and I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever it's Monday, there will definitely be technological or technical problems, but we are going to just do what we do, and we're going to do it to the best of our ability. So thank you for joining the program. I am so grateful that it's... Monday because even when I convinced myself that I'd like to step away, I had this whole discussion with somebody today that maybe it's time for me to step away. I don't want to be just always thinking about the terrible nature of the political system. And then something happens that makes me realize that this is not just a job to me. This is a calling. And You just have to accept it sometimes that it's not going to be easy. And some people are not going to understand, but I'm going to understand. And hopefully I can impart some level of really what's the right coherent dialogue to all the noise out there. Because there's a lot of noise out there. And I'm sure you've all seen it. You know, now we're finding out that several Republicans, including the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan, are all getting behind an effort to expunge the 2019 impeachment vote that the House had against President Trump after years of finding out, sometimes quickly, sometimes in massive amounts of information, that the Democrats really sold the American people a scandalous narrative seven years ago. And the latest evidence to Boomerang on the House impeachment managers came last week when just the news, they actually persuaded Tulsi Gabbard, who's our Director of National Intelligence, to release some long secret memos showing that the intelligence community had raised all kinds of red flags about the credibility and the political motives. of the CIA analyst who prompted the scandal with the story that Donald Trump had wrongly pressured Ukraine's president to investigate the Biden family. And back in 2019, we were not allowed to question anything about the CIA analyst or even to mention his name, which we have now had confirmation, is Eric Chiaramela. But it turns out that Democrats, like Adam Schiff, who was then a House member, now a senator, as well as the intelligence community's chief watchdog at the time, Michael Atkinson, they withheld from the public some pretty big revelations, according to the memos that Tulsi Gabbard released last Sunday.

And these memos showed some pretty damning. Let's put it to that. Let's put it that way. Damning information. The idea that they perpetrated this kind of fraud on the American public is really despicable. And the memos showed that the watchdog, Michael Atkinson, was flagged for having potential bias. They noted in the memos that he had apologized for all the fake news, all the falsehoods, and that he had a lot of anger and animus towards conservatives who were inside of Donald Trump's circles. And Tulsi Gabbard, she blasted Atkinson's work and said that the former watchdog had, quote, weaponized the whistleblower process and used his office to manufacture a conspiracy that was used as the basis to impeach President Trump. and she has now referred both michael atkinson and cheramela to the justice department for possible criminal investigation now just the news had tried to get some comment from both of these guys and they didn't get any response. And the fact that relevant information was kept from Donald Trump's defense team so that they could have used it at the impeachment proceedings is really touching off a firestone. You got a law professor. Certainly Alan Dershowitz is famous enough to take seriously. He's the first to suggest it was evidence enough to warrant expunging the 2019 impeachment vote. And as soon as he said it, a whole bunch of Republicans rallied around the idea, not just Jim Jordan, the chairman, but Representative Claudia Tenney and, of course, President Trump himself. But the illusion of an untouchable, unimpeachable star whistleblower isn't the only part of this impeachment narrative that's starting to crack. There are literally four other major parts of the story that Democrats wove together seven years ago that have fallen apart. Let's take you back because this is important stuff. The scandal, which began in March of 2019, when actually it was just the news uncovered evidence in a series of columns in the Hill in the newspaper that revealed that Vice President Joe Biden withheld a billion dollars in U.S. loan guarantees to Kyiv because he wanted to force them to fire the late...

2015 Ukraine prosecutor, a guy by the name of General Victor Shokin, who at the time just happened to be investigating Hunter Biden's Ukrainian employer, the Burisma, the energy firm Burisma Holdings. And right after the story broke, Team Biden locked into an alternate story. They said Shotkin wasn't really investigating Burisma that much, and Joe Biden only took the action because career officials wanted Shokin out for his weak efforts to fight corruption, and they had recommended that the vice president withhold the loan guarantees. This was during Barack Obama's administration. And State Department officials like George Kent. They backed up the narrative in their impeachment testimony. Kent actually answered... He did when he was asked during his impeachment testimony whether Joe Biden acted consistent with the U.S. policy when he used the loan guarantee as leverage to force Shokin's firing. So Kent admitted it in his sworn testimony. And that story held for three years until the outfit, just the news, sued. to win documents. You know, this is important stuff, and we cannot afford to ignore this story just because it's not the most pressing news story out there today. You know, this is crazy. State Department officials, including the Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria Newland. actually went out of their way to praise Shokin's work in fighting corruption, even sending him a letter of congratulations, which I read this morning, just the news posted it. And you can read it there to just the news website. I'm not going to read it to you. And contrary to what President at the time, Vice President Biden claimed, a task force of state, treasury, and justice department officials had decided in the fall of 2015 that Ukraine, and specifically Shokin, had made a whole bunch of progress on anti-corruption reforms and that they... and now deserved a new billion-dollar U.S. loan guarantee. The memo literally says Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee, which means they withheld a guarantee, something that they kept denying. They said that wasn't accurate.

And the memorandum back in October of 2015 summarized the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee, which is a task force that was created to advise the Obama White House on whether Ukraine was cleaning up all of its corruption and whether or not they deserved more Western aid, more foreign aid from us. Again, you can read those documents at just the news.com. Separate of the documents, though, Hunter Biden's ex-business partners, they also testified to Congress in 2023 that Shokin's office was in fact conducting an increasingly aggressive corruption investigation into Burisma Holdings, which is the energy firm that the State Department said was engaged in bribery. They also testified that Hunter Biden and the owner of Burisma, this Mikola Zolchevsky, were worried about Shokin's probe just before Joe Biden flew to Kiev and pulled those loan guarantees. He was a threat. That's what Devin Archer, who's an ex-Berisma partner, what he said about Shokin. He ended up seizing assets of Mycola, a house, some cars, a couple of properties, and Mycola never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets. So in this new evidence, what makes it so compelling that even the Washington Post fact checker has changed their tune on the scandal. Saying contrary to what had been reported during the impeachment trial in 2019, Joe Biden himself conducted an audible on his own when he forced Shokin's firing because he threatened to withhold the loan guarantees. Well, let me take a break. I want to stay on time because this is an important story. And you need to know this stuff because it helps to give you enough information. to really wonder just how deep this corruption went. I think the level of depth is going to be mind-boggling. I really do. Because there's other narratives that are about to hit the skids. And we'll help John Solomon and anybody else who wants to expose this stuff because the American people have a right to know. That's why. And that's my job. As much as I sometimes say, I wish I could just stop doing this and spend my time in La La Land, that's not going to happen. Because I have a deep-seated loyalty to being part of a press, a fourth estate, that actually... goes after, seeks the truth, and then shares it with the American public. I don't tell you what to think about it, but I got to tell you what's out there because you need to know. I needed to know. And now that I know, once again, sick to my stomach at the level to which politicians have stooped to maintain power. It's as though it's a narcotic and they're addicted. Well, I think that's probably an accurate analogy, isn't it?

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is found in these emails that were marked confidential. This one in particular from November of 2016. Again, if you want to read it, and I read all these documents this morning, because this is important, not this morning, actually, this afternoon. You can read it all at just the news.com. But back in 2019 and 2020, the Bidens insisted that they didn't get rich off of Hunter Biden's foreign dealings and that Joe Biden never interacted with his son's business clients. Oh, there'll be an absolute wall between the personal and the private and the government. There wasn't any hint of scandal at all when we were there. That's what Joe Biden said in 2019. And I will impose the same kind of strict, strict rules. That is why I've never talked with my son or my brother or anyone else in the distant family about their business interest, period. I never believed it, but now we have evidence. Because evidence and testimony uncovered by the House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, it already found that the Biden family collected millions of dollars from Ukraine, from China, and other foreign locations, and routinely traded on the vice president's name to win influence and to deal with these overseas clients. Meanwhile, it's always Donald Trump that they're claiming has his business dealings that dictate our foreign policy. Two of the former business partners of Hunter Biden, a guy by the name of Jason Galanis and Tony Babelinski, they testified to Congress in 2023 that the Biden family used their name. and their access to the family patriarch, I guess that's what you would call Joe Biden, although it's hard to think of them in that light today. But they used that to ink deals across the world. And they were able to actually recount specific times that Joe Biden was in direct contact with his sons associates. They had phone calls. They had meetings. Galanis testified about a phone call. In 2014, when then Vice President Joe Biden called into a meeting that Hunter Biden had organized with Devin Archer, Galanis, and two Russian oligarchs, Yelena Batarina, and her husband, the late Yuri Luzov, who was the former mayor of Moscow, at a New York bar. Hunter called his father and said, Hello, and hold on, pops, and then put the call on speakerphone and said, I'm here with our friends. I told you, the friends I told you that were coming to town, and we just wanted to say hello. And after, you know, the hello, how you doing, blah, blah, pleasantries, the vice president ended saying, okay, then you be good to my boy.

The entire value add-on of Hunter Biden to the business was his family's name. He didn't know anything about energy. He didn't know anything about anything, except that you had to do a lot of cocaine and be a hormonger. That's all he really knew. But he had access to his father, who was the vice president. Another family friend of the Bidens, Rob Walker, testified unequivocally in an interview that Comer's team was able to transcribe in 2023 that Joe Biden met with a delegation of officials from the Chinese energy company, CEFC, including its chairman Yi Jingming, at a lunch in Washington, D.C. after leaving office. And that hotel meeting occurred just days before they made their first payment, totaling $3 million to a Hunter Biden tied company. These are declassified memos from Tulsi Gabbard's office, and they offer another stunning revelation. This stuff is amazing to me, that it goes on, and the people who knew were in on it. The collusion to me that it goes on and the people who knew were in on it. The collusion was at the highest levels of government. An intelligence official dubbed Witness 2, who was an ally of Chiarmelas during the Ukraine saga, spoke with Atkinson. 21st of 2019. At the time, Witness 2 was a member of the NSC, whose home agency was the National Security Agency. And he was working for the Directorate of Intelligence and for the European and Russian Affairs Directorate. Yeah. So this witness, too, reviewed the transcript of the call between Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky in order to have situational awareness of the circumstances surrounding the call and the discussions of the call as he was covering for the director of Ukraine, who they referred to in the documents as Alex, while Alex was out of the office. The memo said that Witness 2 worked with Peter Struck. Are these names all starting to really resonate with you? They should. And Witness 2 knew how it would play out if he said anything. As the intelligence community watchdog quoted him saying that if I unilaterally try to make an issue out of it, the only person impacted is me and not for the better.

Please, help me to understand how we are supposed to tolerate this kind of deep, deep, deep corruption. Struck was a key player throughout the crossfire hurricane investigation and the FBI. He wrote the opening communication that launched the inquiry. It was his text messages, particularly those with his co-worker and mistress, Lisa Page. In 2016, that showed us quite clearly that they had an anti-Trump bias. Witness 2 is assisting complainant in regard to the urgent concern because Witness 2 wants to be able to sleep at night. What? How could these people sleep at night? They said they felt they had a moral and patriotic duty to help. to get what was right done so that they could sleep the sleep of the just. You cannot make this stuff up. You cannot write a novel and sell it of this nature because people would say that's just too far out. And despite this, Witness 2 said he would not have done what Chiarmella would have done. Witness 2 made it clear. That he would not have taken independent action on the information read in the transcript for two reasons. First, that the person routinely deals with issues on a daily basis that are contrary to his personal beliefs. And second, that he did not have the level of granular insight of details related to the Ukraine that the complainant had. Listen, it's a little bit confusing. I get it. But you need to know this. In a section on potential for biases or to be discredited, it was also revealed that Witness 2 had helped with the 2016 ICA on alleged Russian election meddling. If someone were to try to discredit the information provided by Witness 2, they might focus on Witness 2 being the co-author of the 2017 ICA memo. on Russian interference in the 2016 election, adding that the ICA could have been or could be looked at as negative towards President Trump. Yeah, and this 2016 ICA was written at the direction of, hold on to your hats, then President Barack Obama, and it was largely overseen by James Comey. and by the former CIA director, John Brennan, and the former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper. This is huge, and you're not going to hear about it very much. This is the kind of stuff that they continue to cover up, but they're not going to get away with it. Not as long as people like me have a microphone, and so far so good, nobody's taken it away. And...

Sometimes it's best to be just flying under the radar, to not be so important that people pay too careful attention to the fact that you're getting the word out there. See, I'm not afraid. I'm off the grid now. I'm not afraid at all. So I have been given the license or basically took the license of putting myself in a secure position. so that I can tell the truth. These liars, these scoundrels, these high-ranking officials just screwed up and screwed over America. That's what they did. It's about time they're being exposed. Thank God for John Solomon and thank God for the investigative journalist, a handful of them that are still out there, doing the hard work. Saying easy. especially not when you're so visible as someone like Solomon. Anyway, I've got to take a quick break. You stay right where you are. There are a lot of things I've got to talk about today. This was just pressing against my brain. So I had to, I hate to say, throw it up at the beginning, but I did because it's so disturbing and so upset my stomach that I just can't hold on to it any longer. Stay right where you are. I'll be right back. thing that kind of comforts me is I saw Kash Patel, the FBI director, on Sunday morning with Maria, mornings with Maria Bartaroma, on whatever, it is Fox business or Fox News, I don't even know, whatever my husband has programmed in and is watching, and I pass through, but he said, I am, arrests are coming. And they're related to the Russia investigation of potential collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. He said, I am never going to let this go. We've got all the evidence. I can announce on your show that we've got all the information we need. We're working with our prosecutors at the Department of Justice under AG Todd Blanche. And we are going to be making arrests. And it's coming. And I promise you, it's coming soon, he added. And then Maria asked him if the FBI has evidence of election fraud in 2020. He said, so what we're doing is folding that into our entire conspiracy case. But we have the information that backs President Trump's claim of the stolen election. But I would say stay tuned this week. You might see a thing or two. He also said he's going to sue the Atlantic magazine on Monday. I don't know what that's about. I just didn't stay watching that show. I don't know if he had elaborated on that or I don't even know what that has anything to do with. But I'm telling you that if he now doesn't. fulfill that promise because that's what I'm taking it as a promise that arrests are going to be made. If he doesn't do that, then I'm going to wash my hands of this administration really because it's just either it's true or it's not. And if it is,

We need a fumigator to go into Washington, literally. Get some Nolan's pest control. I don't know what we need, but we've got to fumigate this. This is, this is, again, evidence, evidence mounting that these people, in full view of the American public. perpetrated a fraud against an individual. And this individual drives people crazy. I have never seen anybody have the impact on one would consider intelligent, well-educated people. I had this conversation with a friend of mine today who is, you know, super bright, super well read, you know, tremendous intellect. But there's a part of him that just deeply hates Donald Trump. And it causes him to really stay focused on any bad news. And not to, you know, not to be a champion for just getting the information out there. It's time. It really is. You know, I know we're in the middle of a military operation that a lot of Americans are not, they're not pleased with it. They don't understand it. I think the administration has done a very poor job of explaining it. I think the world community is wrestling with it and really wouldn't have to if there was more transparency, but there just doesn't seem to be an appetite for it. And that's scary to me. And I look at the... Let's just take Iran for a minute. And before I break, because look, the clock is ticking. Tomorrow night, Iran has to make a deal with America. It has to be an acceptable deal. And just a couple of maybe an hour ago, I heard the president say, that the enemy is confused because they pay attention to absolutely horrendous reporting by major American media. He says, I'm winning a war by a lot. Things are going very well. Our military has been amazing. And if you read the fake news like the failing New York Times, the absolutely horrendous and disgusting Wall Street Journal, or the now almost defunct, fortunately Washington Post, you would actually think we are losing the war.

The enemy is confused because they get these same media reports, and yet they realize their Navy has been completely wiped out. Their Air Force has gone on to darker runways. They have no anti-missile or anti-airplane equipment. Their former leaders are mostly gone. And this has been, in addition to everything else, regime change. And perhaps most important of all, the blockade. which we're not taking off until there is a deal, is absolutely destroying Iran. They're losing $500 million a day. That's an unsustainable number, even in the short run. But I don't understand it, but this anti-America news actually looks like they're rooting for Iran to win, which is not going to happen, primarily because Trump won't let it happen. And just like these unpatriotic people used every ounce of their limited strength to fight Donald Trump in the election, they continue to do it. And now they're doing it with this military action in Iran. The result will be the same. It already is. He will prevail. And that's amazing. You know, he finally... has been able to say all of the things that he's wanted to say for so long. First and foremost, he has no subsequent term to be worried about. And he has finally figured out, which is amazing to me, because for the first term, his first term in 2017, he had no clue how vicious and how perverse the media was. See, I knew. We've known those of us in the media. And so now he's at liberty to say and write whatever he wants to. And he wrote a lengthy message hammering both Barack Obama and Joe Biden over the way they dealt with the Islamic Republic. He said the deal that we are making with Iran will be far better than the JCPOA commonly referred to as the Iran nuclear deal, which was written by Barack Obama and Sleepy Joe Biden, one of the worst deals ever made having to do with the security of this country. It was a guaranteed road to a nuclear weapon, which will not and cannot happen with the deal we're working on. They actually gave $1.7 billion in green cash loaded into a Boeing 757 and flown to Iran for Iranian leadership to spend any way they wanted to. He emptied out all of the cash from the banks in D.C., Virginia and Maryland. Those bankers said they've never seen anything like it before. And in addition, hundreds of billions of dollars was paid to Iran. He said, if I did not terminate that deal, nuclear weapons would have been used on Israel and all over the Middle East, including our cherished U.S. military bases. And the fake news loves to talk about the JCPOA knowing that it was dangerous and a complete embarrassment to this country.

If a deal happens under Trump, he said it will guarantee peace, security, and safety, not only for Israel and the Middle East, but for Europe, America, and everywhere else. It will be something that the entire world will be proud of instead of the years of embarrassment and humiliation that we've been forced to suffer due to incompetent and cowardly leadership. He also took aim at the weak and pathetic Democrats in America, whom he said are traitors all. I'm telling you, you know, he's been freed to say these things, but I've always been free. Despite World War I lasting four years, three months, and 14 days, World War II lasting six years and one day, the Korean War lasting three years in a month, the Vietnam War lasting 19 years, and Iraq lasting eight years. They like to say that I promised six weeks to defeat Iran, and actually, from the military standpoint, it was even faster. But I'm not going to rush the United States into making a deal that's not as good as it should be. That's it. You know, that's why I just don't understand why people take some of the positions they take. This is being executed well. It's certainly what happened in Venezuela was a complex operation that went off flawlessly. And hopefully the result will be the same. That's that's it. Now, everybody laughed at Space Force. They're not laughing anymore. Anyway, don't forget coming up after me is Guy Benson, followed by Will Kane, then it's Joe Pags, Lars Larson, the overnight guys, and at 6 a.m., Jennifer Ross and Stephen Deiner will be back with the South Florida morning show. Followed at 9 by Brian Kilmeade, noon, Eric Erickson, and I get to come back at 3. Still have a segment left in today's program, and obviously I'm not finished, so stay right where you are. One of the other things that just happened, and it basically happened over the weekend, which is not when you expect the story of this magnitude to happen, but, you know, the president signed an executive order, which already the media is saying, oh, this is about personal gain. They just cannot even wait to see. But a lot of veterans organizations, a lot of medical professionals, and a lot of patient advocates have been very outspoken about using these drugs, these, well, they don't like to call them drugs, but these psychedelics, to treat. In particular, these mental illness conditions that are brought on by trauma. Most obvious, and certainly what we saw in Marcus Littrell, who was one of the people pushing the president to pay attention to this subject, a lot of our veterans have been helped through the use of this ibogaine.

And you all know how I feel about drugs. I don't want marijuana and all these things. I'm very reticent about welcoming them into the medical community because we just don't know enough. But this executive order that he signed said, it's time that we put some muscle into finding out if they work and how they work and why they work. So the era of federal prohibition of psychedelic medicine in America may be coming to an end. It took people from all over the country and all over really the medical community and the veterans advocacy groups to push this to the highest levels of the federal government landed on the presidents. lap. And for the life of me, I don't know how this man has the time to do everything that he does. You know, the former governor of Texas and the former energy secretary, Rick Perry, he was very outspoken about it. He said it was a historic moment for our veterans and for this country. because I have seen firsthand the impact that Iblegain can have on our warfighters. For too long, they've been forced to leave the United States to access this care. That should never have been the case. And today, he said this on Saturday, is a major step towards correcting that. Now, I'm not sure why or how this works. But I will tell you this. I'd rather have Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.., Commissioner McCarrie, Secretary Susan Collins, and the president aware in working on this, and having the courage and the sense of urgency to accelerate access. Because if these medications work, they should be given to the people who need them most, particularly our veterans. And that's what that executive order begins to push forward. You know, this is a critical unmet medical need addressing the mental health crisis in America. We know it's happening. And the urgency for new and regulated. You get me? Regulated. Science-based innovations. Psychedelics that are under development will have to undergo all kinds of rigorous scientific research and clinical trials. That's what I would demand. But they hold a lot of promise for treating multiple mental illnesses. Now, I don't know. how this is going to take place. I don't know what the fastest or the safest way to deliver these medications or medicines to those who need them is. But I do know that if the FDA is using science-based approval pathways, then breakthrough therapies may come to pass before the end of this president's term. That's what the president directed.

It's critical now that HHS and the VA and the FDA and the Department of Justice all work together on labeling and scheduling considerations so that you can have timely regulatory review and market readiness if they're approved. That's all with a suicide happening every 11 minutes and 17 of our veterans taking their own lives every day. There's no time to waste. That's why the disabled American Veterans National Commander, Coleman Ney, he was there applauding the order. You know, there are very reputable people who say this is possibly the next most important medical step to be taken. And listen, I remember when my daughter was working with the VA on traumatic brain injury and all of the work that was being done and her saying that they kept running into brick wall after brick wall and that people are really reluctant to look at some of these treatments and people are dug into the old ways and, you know, particularly big pharma had a lot of clout. with determining what gets fast-tracked or what even gets tracked. And maybe that error is over. So wouldn't that be great? Oh, sure it would be. But do you think Donald Trump will get any credit? Of course not. So I thank you for your time this time until next time. I've got a plan and that plan is to be back here tomorrow at 3 o'clock. If it be his will and he delays his coming. Remember what lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. So wherever you are, just be yourself. Everybody else is taken. And then as always, may God bless you. May God bless Israel. May God bless our veterans, and may God bless the USA. See you tomorrow at 3. This has been the Joyce Kaufman podcast, available everywhere you get your podcasts.