The Joyce Kaufman Show 5/21/26 - Democrats reveal their "After Action Report" on why they lost the 2024 election, Minnesota fraud mastermind Aimee Bock sentenced, Ambassador Rooney calls into the show and more

This is the Joyce Kaufman podcast, honest, straight, and unapologelic with your host, Joyce Kaufman. Well, you know, you never know the whole story until you know the whole story. And the problem these days is you read headlines and you presume that you're getting the whole story and you're not. So a couple of different stories have come up. And... I keep trying to get verification on some of them. And then I just get lost in that, what do they call it, the rabbit hole. I just get further and further and further away. But there's so much to talk about today. We do have a guest coming up, Ambassador Francis Rooney, former congressman from Florida, who was, he's going to be on the show a little later. And we're going to be talking about, oh, everything from European relations and NATO and Venezuela, you name it. We're going to be talking about it. But I think for me, The most interesting story today actually came out of the New York Times. And remember how I spoke, and certainly I know I spoke about it in my podcast, the autopsy of what happened in the Democrat election. You know, and for some reason that, you know, you didn't see that. When the Republicans lost big, you sure did. but not so fast when it came to the Democrats' autopsy. And I'm trying to pull the story up now, but I can remember from what I read that they blame everything on Joe Biden, which is so, when you think about it, it's just wrong. I mean, yes, he is a problem, but that was their problem. And they just decided not to, you know, to manage the problem, or actually what they did was manage it and not resolve it. So now, to put the blame on him, it's an incomplete report on Kamala Harris's defeat in the 2024 presidential election after months of mounting headaches over keeping its secret. they finally release a draft of the report and it puts the blame on Joe Biden. And that, you know, there's plenty of blame to go around. How about that? And that's what they better come to terms with because it's not going to get resolved and they're not going to have success if they're unwilling to look at what happened. I just don't, you know, I just don't understand why it would be so much easier to admit the mistakes and fix them than to pretend there were no mistakes, you know, or to pretend that you can blame it all on one individual, an individual who, by the way, was barely conscious during the whole thing. So what can I tell you? They just...

They just won't admit their own defeat. And that's a problem. It's not just a problem for the Democrat Party. It's a problem, period. And that's always been my, what I told my children when they were growing up, and what I tell anybody is that people will be very forgiving. Even if you've made big mistakes, if you just tell them the truth. So maybe it's about time that they take that lesson to heart. I don't know about the rest of you, but I could tell them. I don't need an after-hour report or whatever they call it, to tell you. They had a terrible four-year presidency, and it culminated with a candidate who was absolutely horrible, and who, regardless of how many millions of dollars she was willing to spend and they were willing to spend, you can't fool the American people. You know, ultimately, the truth wins out. And that's really what any after-hours reporter, I forgot what it's called, after-action, that's right, it's the after-action report. That's what you will always find. And they just are incapable of admitting they made mistakes. And these were pretty incredible mistakes when you get right down to it. So I'll be curious to read the whole report. And... And once I've digested it, I'll share with you. But let me give you the heads up of what I've seen so far. You had a, it's an extraordinary release, first and foremost. The chairman, Ken Martin, who I talk about in my podcast this week, had disparaged the document and said it's incomplete, it's inaccurate, and that it's just refocusing attention on old wounds and lingering divisions within the party at a moment when President Trump... has sinking poll numbers and the Democrats are hoping to win control of Congress in the midterm elections. So Ken Martin, of course, now is blaming the potential of them not getting the victory that they feel they deserve because of this autopsy report. I mean, you can't make this stuff up. He said, he was on a conference call and he said, I apologize. Being a leader at every level means you own every single mistake. Those of your creation and those not of your creation. This was a major mistake. I own it and now it is time for us to move forward at the DNC. In other words, he's telling you forget it all. Whatever mistakes we made, they're just bringing them up because they want to distract us. That's just insane.

it's time for them to start focusing on who are they going to use now? You know, who's going to run? Because regardless of whether the Republicans put forward Marco Rubio or they put forward JD Vance or somebody else that we may be not talking about yet, that person is going to have, you know, the headwinds. And they're going to need a candidate. who can bring the victory home. Because even if they were to get the House in this midterm election, it would be very narrow and they'd never be able to hold it. And it would be a sad day for Donald Trump and for the conservatives in the Republican Party who are hoping to get some stuff done. But sad days were used to, right? Absolutely. Used to sad days. So many things that I wanted to talk about today, I have to talk about these terrible people in Minnesota, you know, because the level of fraud was something we've never seen before. And the convicted mastermind of the, what do they call it, the feeding our future food program, this Amy Bach. was sentenced to 41 years in prison. She was convicted of all the counts related to the Feeding Our Future Free Food Program, in the program under multiple different organizations and under a law that was planned by none other than Representative Ilhan Omar. the Democrat that represents that district, were able to skip a list of required checkoffs and submit billings for providing hundreds of thousands of meals during COVID. The problem? The meals never were provided. But we, the taxpayers, we paid all the invoices. So the report at the Washington Examiner confirmed that Amy Bach. was executive director of feeding our future when the fraud occurred. She could have gotten up to 100 years behind bars. Prosecutors only recommended 50, because that would have been her life, really. And her defense lawyers called for no more than three years. That's not what happened. Along with the 45-year sentence, the judge, Nancy Brasel, delivered a scolding to Bach with orders that she repay millions of dollars. The Feeding Our Futures Program took advantage of its authority to approve millions of dollars in fraudulent reimbursement claims. for meals that they claimed they served that never got served. The report said many of the food distribution sites that feeding our future, which served as their organizational sponsor, in exchange for a cut of the proceeds, you've got to love these people. Yeah, we're doing a good deed, but we need to get paid and paid well.

And just horrible, horrible people. 41 and a half years in prison isn't enough for Amy Bach. That was a $250 million scam. And she used children. She deserves every single day. And I don't know how she's expected to pay it back. But we shall see. The judge noted that Bach cannot be automatically held legally responsible for the federal government's total loss because other conspirators contributed to the theft. But Brazel did say that Bach played a central role in the criminal conspiracy, both in administrative and financial capacity. The judge said signed almost... all of the checks made out to the fake food distributors and created a fictitious board of advisors, forged board minutes. And she'd been convicted last year of seven charges, including conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs, bribery, and federal programs bribery. Now, of course, she's blaming her Somali accomplices. And there's plenty of blame to go around. She is also alleged that Omar knew about the activity. In a report of the New York Post, which was based on a video interview where Bach discussed the case, she said, I struggled to believe that she would have not known. Minnesota State Fraud Prevention and State Agency Oversight Committee recently asked the U.S. House Oversight Committee to subpoena Ilhan Omar over her refusal to turn over her communications with these fraudsters. Omar and fellow Democrats, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Attorney General Keith Ellison, all played critical roles in creating and enabling the fraud. That's what the Minnesota Legislative Committee determined. And meanwhile, the DOJ has announced more criminal charges for fraud in Minnesota because the total taxpayer losses have been estimated to be in the, hold on to your seat, billions with a B. Colin McDonald, the Assistant Attorney General for the DOJ's National Fraud Enforcement Division, said the cases involve seven Minnesota-run Medicaid programs that prosecutors say were systematically pilfered by fraudsters who treated taxpayer-funded services as their personal piggy bank. You know, these people deserve to be put away. That's all. They deserve to be punished and punished severely, and hopefully it would discourage other people from trying this kind of wholesale fraud. Anyway, don't forget to download that 850 WFTL app. You could have heard my podcast already. You could get breaking news stories, and you can participate in our contest. It's a great app. Or just visit our website.

850 WFTL.com. Let me take a quick break. Please stay right where you are. You know, in keeping with the theme in the first half of the show about why people just simply don't admit when they mess up. Because I think, I know for a fact that the American public can be very forgiving, but first you've got to tell them the truth. Now you've got the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass. She goes on an ostensibly friendly program on CNN. I'm not really familiar with the hosts on CNN. So I couldn't tell you anything about Alex Michelson, who was the host. But apparently they got to sit down with the mayor for an interview that aired yesterday. And the interviewer, pressed her. She wanted to know why voters should trust Karen Bass after she failed to deliver on a number of campaign promises and the most visible one, obvious one, is she had campaigned saying she was going to end the city's homelessness or homeless problem. I mean, if you look at the city of Angels now, I get to go there at least once a year to visit my son. It's overrun by vagrants. You got the usual assortment of alcoholics and drug addicts. It's a drain on the taxpayers' resources. And these people pay much higher taxes than almost anywhere. New York and California have the highest taxes. And L.A. and New York City. the tax liability for the average person is enormous. And so now you have this eyesore in what used to be one of the most desirable areas in the whole country before it was destroyed. And what destroyed it? Decades of Democrat rule. And this is a congresswoman who loves Castro. I wonder how she feels about Raul getting indicted. And she's had a disastrous tenure. And she's running for re-election. I think that takes guts. She's hoping that the Los Angeles will ignore her failures with the homeless problem being the most obvious, why it's so visible. So she tries to duck the blame when she was confronted about her broken promise by this Alex Michelson, who was conducting the interview. She was asked, what is your goal with homelessness? now and she goes to end it and the interview said but you failed so miserably on that goal the first time why should voters trust you now and so she says it was just too hard but I really mean it this time wrong answer you know somebody needs to get with Karen Bass and give her some tips on what not to say You know, she had an interview back in 2023 with Jake Tapper. And that's where she said that her goal was to end homelessness in the streets of L.A. by 2026, which obviously has not happened. How are you so off? The interviewer asked. Well, I'm very committed to achieving that goal. I didn't anticipate some of the bureaucratic barriers that I would experience, but I'm prepared to take them on now.

If you give me more time, I love how politicians think that, you know, we should just give them more time. But that wasn't your promise. Karen Bass's promise was that by 2026, it would be resolved. It would go away 100%. And it's only down now by about 17%. You can't get people to trust you that you're going to get to 100% at this point. And so Karen Baugh says, well, let me tell you, it's the first time we've had a decrease at all. What? It was foolish to say you would end it. That should have been obvious. And now you say you can handle it and end it. You had your chance. It's time to move on. It's only 17% less crappy. So we should ignore the person who said they could make it less crappy. It's almost like, you know, if you could write the speech for her and you tried to tell the truth, that wouldn't be a winning formula either. Like, well, when I'm not engaged in communist activism and arson, because of course everything burned down while she was on a trip to South Africa, I'm focused on this problem. She's a total failure at her job. They'll never really end homelessness. They make far too much money, exploiting homelessness. If she wins again, then L.A. must have a death wish. How bad does somebody have to be to get fired there? I didn't realize the bureaucratic barriers. She is the bureaucracy. This is really very much like Barack Obama style. You know, she's acting as if she's some innocent bystander who plays no role in the actions of government. Meanwhile, she's been in government for well over a decade. Anybody who lives in L.A. or works in L.A. knows that the problem is a massive problem, and there's been massive growth of homelessness in the last eight years. And people, and that's not all on her watch, but includes her watch. People have to walk through the streets. I've reported this from my trips to L.A. where you see open-air drug use. You didn't see that eight years ago. I was going there. My granddaughter is 10. And the first couple of years of her birth, I didn't see that. But starting seven years ago, that's everywhere you turn on the streets of L.A. You see people shooting up drugs. You see broken bottles. It's just awful. And billions of dollars have been spent already. She's a liar. She's a fraudster. And if the people of L.A. have one brain cell left, they would get rid of her. But sadly, it doesn't matter. They'll vote for her regardless. Because all that matters to these voters is that she's a Democratic candidate. Stalin would be proud of California Democrats. Who would have thought that was possible, though? CNN actually engaging in journalism?

But I don't think it's going to save L.A. from a second helping. I thought that was possible, though. CNN actually engaging in journalism? But I don't think it's going to save L.A. from a second helping of Karen Bass with the self-destructive Democrat voters throughout. thoroughly committed to party loyalty. They don't care how bad their lives become. Whatever the decline in their quality of life, they'll forgive. Anyway, let me take a break. I'm going to be talking with Ambassador Francis Rooney in the next segment of the show. So please don't touch that dial. All right, and then welcome back, as I promised. I have a special guest for this segment of the program. Ambassador Francis Rooney, who many of you will remember, served as a congressman in the 19th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives from, I want to say it was the late teens. You went up there in like 2017, right, sir? Yes, 17 through 22. Okay. And then George W. Bush appointed you as the ambassador to the Holy See, which of course I have spoken with you about because you wrote a great book about that. But when you look at the world today, how different is our foreign policy from then? Oh, boy. Not good close. Right. We're into some pretty aggressive things. I think that the Venezuela hop worked quite well, and there will probably be a similar action taken in Cuba before long. And that will probably work pretty well, too, because they're so beaten down, and we need to put it into the Castro. On the other hand, this Iran thing makes zero sense to me. I'm sorry. I don't see it. They can't harm us with their desire for a nuclear weapon. They can't even hardly get us to Europe. And they're causing a lot of harm to the United States. We've spent a billion dollars a day, $29 billion so far. For what? Well, one would say, you know, because they've been terribly bad actors and so many Americans have lost their lives due to the terrorism that they have been sponsoring and the IEDs and everything else. And sometimes somebody just has to end that kind of tyrannical governing. Look at the people of Iran. They're ecstatic that we're coming to the rescue. Yeah, I mean, that kind of, it still makes sense to me. Well, the people of Iran are not in sync with the Ayatollah's government. And sooner or later, the Iran situation will resolve itself internally. So I would have preferred more clandestine, intelligence-based infiltration and just bomb them. Now, you see, that's an interesting point.

also had that thought. Like, we really didn't need to go in there with bombers flaming because they were already so vulnerable. They'd have already been beaten down so much. But, you know, this is not a president who does those kinds of deals. His deals are out in the open and they involve force. So we are where we are. And I don't think anybody is going to change his mind, although we've sure had a lot of starts and starts, stop. starts with this military engagement. You know, before Trump pulled the money from them, the Corporation for Global Media, which used to be called Radio for Europe, had 20% market share broadcasting Farsi broadcast into Iran. So there's a lot of people in Iran, especially young ones, who were listening to our Farsi broadcasts. Wow. Well, listen, you've been on the inside of these things, and I have to listen to your opinions. But we got a lot of other things going on right now, like the relationship with NATO. Where do you think we stand there? Because it seems to me we're finally getting some other countries to pay up. Yeah, I think it's probably been productive that Trump has pushed other countries to pay closer to their 5%. I don't think the way he went about it was quite so great. He could have probably accomplished it and the more delicate diplomatic manner. But they do need to pay more. But you've got to remember that NATO is a defensive alliance. It has nothing to do with what we're doing in Iran or Venezuela or any of that kind of stuff. And to me, the biggest risk to NATO is that we expanded it so much. which I think Trump is correct about that, American people are not going to go to Montenegro to fight a war to defend Montenegro because they become part of NATO. It's not going to happen. Right. And so we kind of got ahead of our skis after the fall of the Iron Curtain. Yeah. Well, but I think one of the things that I'm very aware of, and I've been broadcasting, you know, political analysis for 36 years, and the American people have grown frustrated with what they viewed as too much behind closed doors and not a show of force. I mean, that's, I think, what Donald Trump's victory is all about. The American people want a strong man and one that doesn't seem to back away from any conflict. Well, I think you're right about that. The MAGA group definitely. They're frustrated with where the country is. They're frustrated with the population makeup now. These foreign problems that we face, and they want toughness, and Trump's giving it to them. Yeah, yeah. And for the most part, I mean, you're probably a lifelong Republican. This is no longer the Republican Party you came up in. This is Trump's party. That is absolutely true, and I don't particularly agree with all that. I'm not a populist. I agree with limited government and controlling our spending and not mortgaging our grandchildren's future by the wasteful spending that Congress and the President seems to want to do. It's a whole different world. It is. Can't tell who the Democrats and Republicans really are now.

Yeah, the Democrat Party is unrecognizable to me. I mean, I was born in New York City, a yellow dog Democrat family, liberals is how we described ourselves. But I look at that party today, and I can't even be in the same room with them. Well, yeah, it's almost like both sides have a race to the bottom going here. And so far the Democrats are waiting at. I mean, they definitely continue to find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory here. Yeah, that's for sure. What do you think of tariffs and the trade? Because you are, in addition to being in government for all these years, you're a business person. Do you think that tariffs are a good way of handling the economy? There have been times, like when Ronald Reagan put them on briefly, and I think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. puts them on the steel industry briefly. But by and large, generally speaking, tariffs don't do much good. They just transfer a lot of costs to end users and the supply chain of different products. And I'm kind of like having dirt in your water pipes and everything down. What we'd be better off to... encourage our company our country our companies to make the things that they can make here the value added things that could pay higher wages and don't worry about some of the small stuff you know i used to be the building built in products business and most of the dimension lumber plywood sheathing, goes on the outside of houses, and light gauge aluminum that you make like death work with, all comes out of Canada. So when you hear about the house price problems, not all of it's permitting, not all of its price of land, a lot of it has to deal with the billing materials that are tariffed up from Canada. Let me ask you this, because you were the ambassador to the Holy See, what do you think of the first American Pope? Well, I think he's great. I've known him for 40 years. And I think he's going to be a great pope for two primary reasons. Well, first of all, he's got to, if you can tell by now, he's got a very careful, judicious, thoughtful approach when he speaks, just the opposite of his predecessor. That's a good thing. But he ran the Augustinian order all around the world. And before that, ran the Midwest Province based in Chicago. And so as such, he's had to deal with people decisions and money decisions and raise money and invest money and spend money. So I think maybe we have a chance of avoiding some of the scandals that have plagued the last two pups, financial scandals. Do you think that his exchanges with our president are helpful? Well, he's our president that lost out of him, and I think his response was perfect. I thought his response was perfect. His job is to spread the message of the gospel, and he's doing it. Okay. All right. So is there anything you like about this time in politics? Well, it's a very odd time, you know? I mean, the highly partisan districts.

have turned a monkey rich in the system that our founders set up for us with the different forms of government and all that. You can't reach compromise when both sides are drawn to the fringes. You got to compromise comes from people that are more in the middle that can agree to disagree and agree to agree. And we lost all that. And that's why things are so strident on all sides now, ours and the other guys. Yeah, because even when you look at the country, we are so almost evenly divided. I mean, a slim majority in the House, barely a majority in the Senate. So you can't say the country is behind either party. As a matter of fact, I think the country is tired of both parties. I believe that's the case. So where do we go? There's no real viable third party. No, and I don't know how you could ever get. The redistricting business is actually going the other way. It's going to more partisan districts. I mean, like, 95 of them are already highly partisan, and they're going to become even more partisan with some things that are kind of happening, both like what they try to do in Virginia for Democrats and what we're trying to do in other states like Texas. Mm-hmm, yeah. And so what about our state? I mean, to me, Florida is the land of the free, and COVID really approved that. Who do you think would make a good governor following Ron DeSantis? Well, it's pretty well going to be either Byron McDonald's or David Jolly. I think that's pretty well settled. It'll be one of those two.

I don't like either one of them. I don't know that either one of them has got the wisdom of Rick Scott or Ron DeSantis or Ted Bush. Yeah, but there's a third candidate. You know, Paul Renner has all the right qualifications. It's just the media controls how much the public gets to hear. And of course, it's all about money. And Byron Donalds's came in with a war chest and it continues to grow. But you look at Paul Renner and you say, this is a person who was a Speaker of the Florida House, has gotten lots of things accomplished as, you know, just an all-around great guy and can't get any, you know, traction. Yeah, I agree with you. I would think he would be the best candidate to be the governor. But I don't see how he's got a chance with Arnold's Warchest and Trump's endorsement in a Republican primary. Would you consider getting back into politics full-hearted? Maybe not elected politics because there's nothing I would want to run for. I mean, I didn't want to run for governor. I didn't want to live in Tallahassee. I would definitely do something in the foreign policy area if we got a Republican president. Yeah, yeah. Well, then let's keep cheering that on. What do you think of Marco Rubio? It's either going to be him or JD Vance is what we're looking at. And I'm very impressed with what the secretary has done. Marco Rubio turned my opinion of him totally around. Yeah, I'm Marco Rubio, I consider to be a good friend. I've traveled with him extensively. We worked totally together on the Everglades, you know, getting the $1 billion to build all the projects that, as you know, we're milking out and out to keep putting the phosphorus-laden water into the river and the lake. And he's a big help there. And I think he would be my choice for sure. I'm not a huge dance fan, okay? I'm not either. I don't like his love of labor unions and populism. Yep, yeah. Well, we agreed on two things. And on this show, that's a miracle. So thank you, Ambassador Rooney, for coming on. I appreciate your time. Thanks for having me on. All right, you take care. Okay, I think I'm up against the break. Let me take a quick break. Don't forget coming up after me is the one and only Guy Benson, followed by Will Kane. Then it'll be Joe Pags, Lars Larson, the Overnight Kings. And then tomorrow morning at 6 a.m., Jennifer Ross and Stephen Deener will officially... Usher in Memorial Day weekend, followed at 9 by Brian Kilmeade, noon by Eric Erickson, and then I get back, and I will definitely, you know, just, I'm going to shove you into the Memorial Day weekend, but I have a segment left in the program today, so stay right where you are. Well, I'm finally looking through this draft of the autopsy of the 2024 presidential election.

And essentially, they say that Kamala Harris's campaign failed to make an affirmative case for her, did not sufficiently separate her from President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and was hurt by a Trump ad attacking her for supporting surgery for transgender inmates. That's all they came up with? I mean, fortunately, this draft is missing many sections and is filled with annotations questioning its methods. So I'm thinking that the Harris campaign missed opportunities to really challenge or to dent Donald Trump's standing with voters. David Hogg, that kid from... Marjorie Stoneman Douglas, who was a Democratic Party vice chairman who had a lot of trouble with Ken Martin last year before he got pushed out. He called for him to resign in a post on X. You know, Hogg was a lightning rod for criticism within the party because he wanted to support primary challenges to sitting Democratic lawmakers in a quest to basically usher in a generational change, which is happening whether they like it or not. So let's see what some of these Democratic potential candidates, I forgot. Rahm Emanuel was the first one to say anything, the former Chicago mayor, and I believe he was the chief of staff for... For Obama, for who? For Clinton. He said, it's not worth the paper it's written on in a brief interview. The New York Times poll on Democratic primary voters showed that two to one believed the party should move center and avoid the culture wars and embrace policies that move families forward on firmer footing. Okay. That may be true, but there's a chairman of the DNC right now by the name of Ken Martin, and he is going to be determining a lot of things. He hasn't been able to raise much money, and he's spent the last half of the year engaged in a public relations nightmare over not releasing this autopsy report. It's kind of important, Ken. So the timing of the release of this report isn't very helpful. The DNC, you know, they drop the draft report in the middle of what's looking like a really rough news cycle for President Trump. And so, you know, okay. So everybody's looking at them now and not looking at the Republican where there are plenty of other problems and plenty of division. Lawmakers in the Republican Party are breaking with him. You know, on the White House ballroom, all kinds of these things, the fund that could make payouts to those people claiming political persecution. So this is just part of a saga that dates back to January of 2025 when Ken Martin ran for party chair on a platform of, I'm going to do a full report. We're going to release a full report on what went wrong in 2024 and then he reversed course. That's all politicians do anymore.

They tell you one thing, and then they don't just not do it. They do the complete opposite. He said at the time that he hoped that the report would avoid a circular firing squad. Well, they did form a circular firing squad, and he's in the center of the circle right now. And the process that has surrounded the draft report really is going to hurt the credibility of the DNC. And they're looking at a lot of pretty thorny questions about the 2028 race, and they're going to be looked at quite closely in the coming months, because the DNC is the one charged with setting the primary schedule, organizing the debate schedule, and those are going to be hard-fought, contentious issues given what's pretty widely expected to be a crowded presidential primary. And the draft report found that national Democrats focus on social issues over economic issues and alienated socially conservative voters who were really prioritizing kitchen table concerns, as usual. Across the polling in 2024, voters said economic issues are their greatest concern, and they consistently place their trust in Republicans over Democrats in that area. a focus on the economy, particularly more populist economic messaging. That's what's going to resonate with Democratic voters, and actually voters across the political spectrum. Trump is struggling with independence, but if the Democrats are going to come up with all this pro-socialism jazz, they're not going to get the independence. So one thread that appears throughout the draft, the portions that I've been able to read, blames the broader Democratic Party infrastructure that it's seasonal. And instead of what we have, on the conservative side, you have year-round presences like Turning Point USA. We'll see. It's going to be interesting. What is absent from the report is any mention of Joe Biden's age or how voters reacted to them running an octogenarian for president. They don't want to talk about it. Thank you for your time this time until next time. My plan is to be back here tomorrow at 3 p.m. if it be his will and he delays his coming. Remember what lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. So wherever you are, just be yourself. Everybody else is taken. God bless you. God bless Israel. And God bless the USA. See you tomorrow at 3. This has been the Joyce Kaufman podcast. Available everywhere you get your podcasts.