Vicki McKenna Show - The Purposes of Prosecution

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Waukesha County Republican about the governor's race. I mentioned Elon Musk Omar's endorsement of Francesca Hong. He had no idea who Francesca Hong was. I told him that she was one of about six Democrats running for governor. He then asked me, is there a Republican running? After a brief gasp, I told him Tom Tiffany is the Republican candidate. He had no idea who Tom Tiffany was either. What is the benefit of having a lone candidate if Republicans in Waukesha County don't know anything about the candidate? Okay. This is the curse of the GOP. And it tends to make people want to blame institutions. It is called the low information, low propensity Republican. These are a dime a dozen. They are expensive to target and they are very difficult to turn out on election day. They are smart. They even will have a political conversation with you. But they don't vote. They only vote in presidential elections. They pay no attention to political media. They pay no attention to political stories. They do not go out of their way to inform themselves. They never join the party, ever. And if you could look them up on myvote.wisconsin.gov, what you would find is they never vote in primaries. They never vote in spring elections. They only turn out for national general elections. That's what you find out. These are people you could sit down at a tavern with. It's your buddy you go shooting with. He's all about gun rights. He's all about the First Amendment. He loves Trump. But he has no idea what's going on in the state of Wisconsin because he pays no attention. I don't know what to tell you about these people. The best. outreach is talking to them. So this lady talks to this guy and he's all of a sudden he's interested. You've you've basically handed him the information so he doesn't have to work for it. He's, you know, he's a political equivalent of people who like to just suck off the welfare system. He's drafting on your efforts. He's drafting on your knowledge. This, again, this person is a dime a dozen. At least they are on our side. They don't have the revolutionary zeal that the left has. And they draft off other people's efforts. They draft off you and me going to the polls, you and me voting in primaries, you and me knocking on doors, you and me taking care of the process he benefits from. Same with those gun owners, 400,000 gun owners who are Trump voters don't vote in state and local elections. Think about that.

They draft off us. And then when things go sideways, they blame the party. Okay? And the party has a lot of criticism that it deserves. But this isn't one of them. If you, I mean, Tom Tiffany has been out since the fall, since September talking about this campaign. He's been on television. He's been on radio. He's got ads. He's been online. He's been everywhere. Donald Trump endorsed him. He's gotten a ton of attention. The idea that a Republican wouldn't know who the Republican candidate for governor is is just ridiculous at this point. That's someone who chooses to be uninformed. And I don't know what to do about those people. They're real expensive to target. They are not easily, even if you do hand them the information, they're not easy to get off their butts. to go to the polls. They just draft on everybody else. And then they love to sit around and gripe. They love to talk to their friends who are very political and very knowledgeable. They love it. I have seen this phenomenon a thousand times. I have people come up to me. They love to talk about politics with me. Love, love, love, love, love. And then Election Day rolls around. I shoot out my texts to everyone. Hey, don't forget to vote today. Who are my candidates? They know, and they're friends of mine. And they're like this, okay? And just, I want to throw that out there. Don't automatically just say, oh, the party sucks. This guy's in Waukesha County. And if the Wau County Party can't convince this guy that there's a Republican bubble, it's not the Waukesha County Republicans Party fault. This guy is choosing to be politically ignorant and choosing not to pay attention. And again, I don't know what to do to solve this problem. This is our problem. And it's an anvil around the neck of the GOP because our people, even the goodest of the good, as a friend of mine would say, activists, I know that's grammatically incorrect, aren't revolutionary. They don't have that zeal. All right. We're going to take a break. We'll come back in just a moment with Judge Jim Troopus. I just wanted to start with that because I literally 10 minutes ago, it popped up in my inbox. And I'm going back and forth with this lady. If you know people like this, start talking to them now. Say, hey, did you know who the Republican governor, gubernatorial candidate is? Did you hear about Elon Musk Omar endorsing Francesca Hong? Do you know who Elon Musk Omar is? Did you see the picture of Francesca Hong wearing the Satan hat? Did you see that? Anything, you know, if they say no, then they're your project. They become your project. If they like to talk politics with you, don't talk national politics with them. Talk local politics with them. Don't talk about Trump. Talk about the 400-year property tax veto. Talk about Francesca Hong wanting to defund police. Talk about Sarah Rodriguez claiming she's not going to show anybody what her budget plans would be if she becomes governor. Talk about Tom Tiffany. Don't talk about Trump. Say, hey, I know you want to talk about Trump, but let's talk about something that's way more important to your life. We'll take a quick break. And welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. So I want to talk about...

SPLC, because this is a rabbit hole that is so deep and how deep is the rabbit hole. This rabbit hole also goes to the lawfare problem we have been talking about for a very long time. SPLC would identify conservatives or identify groups of conservatives. The conservatives would then be identified to the Department of Justice because the SPLC was working directly. with the Biden administration, the director of the SPLC at the time was, had deliberately crafted a group that was intending to target conservatives for the purposes of prosecution, for the purposes of debanking, for the purposes of a harassment campaign. So this SPLC story is not just the indictments that came down the other day. It is now opening up transparency and exposing this nefarious organization for being among the most important lynch pins in putting targets on people's backs. One of those people is on the line with me right now. He's Jim Troopis, Judge Jim Troopis, who is still. facing down criminal prosecution this August for having been identified as a lawfare target because he represented Donald Trump in the 2020 recount. It's great to have you, Jim. Good morning, Vicki. Good morning. Yeah, the SPLC story is really a much bigger story. Thank you from pointing that out. I mean, the other side, by other side, I mean, the leftists, the people, the political. gurus in Madison on the Democrat side and nationally have had a coordinated effort going back a long time. But in 2020 and post-2020, it was really on full display. And nobody wanted to do anything about it. And I'm still candidly furious that Act Blue still exists. It exists. It still exists. I mean, what's going on here? How are those people indicted? for having clearly taken money from any number of sources, having participated illegally in election after election, and nothing happens. And so the SPLC thing must have just fallen in the lap somehow, just fallen in the lap of the U.S. Department of Justice. Because this is the first time I can remember that they went out on a limb. to go after somebody with political clout on the other side. So parse what I just said. It's one thing for the Department of Justice to go after, you know, cocaine dealers. And it's one thing for them to have to go after some politician who's been exposed as doing whatever. But here you have a group that has been. openly, openly supporting groups like the 65 project that's trying to get every lawyer, you know, disbarred me. I'm at the top of their list and, and others just and with the express purpose of eliminating the opposition. And, and.

The 65 Project, indivisible, these organizations that were out there, by the way, John, John, oh, for heaven's sakes, Eastman, who's just been, I think he's been officially disbarred, was on the target. The people who were in operational control of the SPLC were also in operational control of these lawfare organizations, the 65 project, these political organizations, indivisible. They were sitting on the boards of Act Blue, the money laundering operation for the DNC. Now, to your point, did it just fall in their lap or was it required that they begin finally doing this? Now, it also coincides with the Treasury Secretary's use of his innate legal authority to refuse to allow these 501 groups to fail to disclose. the sources of their funding. So it dovetails with that, which got very little attention. But I do wonder if it didn't come about because all of a sudden we had a handful of these podcasters on the right, flip the script, go 180 degrees, and start attacking Donald Trump. They are related to the SPLC indictment. They were, at least two of them were paid operatives at the Unite the Right rally. So they are directly connected to the indictment. So I wonder if it wasn't just the administration being ticked off that these podcasters on the so-called right flipped to the left and started to attack MAGA. I don't know. But Scott Bessent just came out of the box and said, now we're going to force disclosure of all your donors. Well, the institutional nature of Washington. is so deep, so, so deep that they don't even notice what's going on out there. I mean, you started your program today pointing out about the low information, low propensity voter on the Republican side. That's Washington for the Republicans. That's the Department of Justice. That's the FBI. And what's funny is that people, so they read this headline that the Department of Justice, give you an example in the area that's affecting me so much, is they go after, they're going to indict James Comey. So they indict James Comey. You know, James Comey gets $10 million in legal fees free, like overnight. Right? That just happens because these groups like the SPLC and all the ones they support like Act Blue and the like, they just fund it, period. They don't ask what the number is because they have $800 million in the bank. And in Washington, People at the Department of Justice aren't even aware of what's going on in Wisconsin against people like me or against John Eastman in California. I mean, we think they are because you and I are reading the right, the conservative websites, people listening to your show. But the few Republicans that they put into those positions in Washington are more worried about their next position than they are about institutionally changing the place to achieve great things over time.

This is the problem with the Trump era is that the Democrats change institutional movement. Okay, that's what they do. They will change the institutions in which they, that they touch. We think it's a big deal if we indict Joe, Fred, or Mabel, and think, oh, well, now we go on to the next thing. Not understanding that in, you know, in about nine months, if they take the House of Representatives, this administration is over. It's just that simple. It's over. I mean, they'll get to do some things in foreign policy and the like. But in terms of actual achievement over the long term, it's done if we lose the house. Absolutely true. And by the way, we lose the house. And what just happened in Virginia? And what are they trying to do in Illinois? And what did the Republicans punt on in Indiana and Tennessee? That was literally changing the map to alter the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives. What did Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer say? It will be lawfare. Who is going to lead the law fair if the Democrats gain control of the House again? Eric Holder. It's amazing. But here's how it works. So everybody understands. The SPLC was the targeting wing. of the Democrats. They identified the targets. They created the reason, the argument, the logic to identify the targets. If they're paying white supremacists, that's because they need to have something to point to as a target. Then the Biden administration, once they started doing that, said, come on in. You're going to sit. alongside the Department of Justice, and then the Department of Justice is going to use your list to target people. So the SPLC targeted the lawyers, the campaign lawyers, targeted, you know, the military, the conservatives in the military, targeted the military brass that were not on board with the woke stuff, targeted people in education, targeted moms at school board meetings. You know, who are we going to target? We're going to target Trump. We're going to target whoever. So the targeting wing is the SPLC. Act Blue is the money laundering wing of the SPLC. You know, the NGOs, the Indivisible, Arabella, all these 501s. That's the fundraising element funneled through Act Blue. And then those dollars are targeted to the SPLC list. It's how it works. It's a, it's a blob, but it's a blob that works together and they all have intersecting people on their boards. Yes, yes. And it's, I think, you know, the problem here is again, systemic, meaning it's within the way in which we perceive politics and the way the other side perceives politics. The other side wakes up every single morning and only thinks about what's the political implication of XYZ. We wake up in the morning and take our children to school or we go to work. And that's both admirable.

But we need to recognize it is a massive weakness. I mean, it's a incredible weakness. And the SPLC did what it has been doing in the open. I mean, it's not like people didn't know that everybody at the Justice Department picks up their phone and calls them. But have I gotten a call from the Department of Justice? No. Have you gotten, has anybody in the NGO world said, Jim, we're going to cover the attacks on you? I mean, Hannah Dugan right now is trying to get a federal judge to set aside her conviction because her sentencing is next month, in June. Her sentencing is early June. So she's actually got lawyers, really good, good lawyers, who somebody else is paying for who can fight, fight, fight, her case. You know, and you've got to go begging on give send go, you know, or judge troopers.com for people to make contributions. It's incredible to me because you're right. And it was Obama. Obama did this. And it was a masterstroke. He took community organizing from the grassroots level and he exploded it to scale. And then he, because community organizing is about the process. And he realized that in order to control the game board over the long period of time, you control the processes. You embed bad lawyers in the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division. You, you know, take over the people who are going to be writing the grants for USAID and the NGOs. control the people who are going to be dispatched in the diplomatic realm for foreign policy. Who's in the Treasury Department who is not going to implement, you know, the existing head who comes and goes, policy demands, etc. Who oversees the IRS? Who's running the Inspector General's office? Congress is irrelevant and Barack Obama realized that. So he decided to dispatch people to begin controlling process and now they're stealing maps. Exactly. Well, you hit upon it, and it's not a deep dive here in the sense for all any of us, in that all of us have recognized that it didn't matter whether Ben Winkler, to really get in the weeds here, is the head of the Democrat Party or not in Wisconsin. When they decided they needed money for the Supreme Court race this year, they just pushed a button. One button, thing, 50 million bucks, just like that. We have so many multimillionaires and billionaires that vote Republican, but will never write those checks. I find it, you know, again, institutional methods, both on the political side and on the bureaucratic side, are the key to the Democrats' long-term success. And as much as this country is trying to turn the ship to the right, It may never happen because we can't control those two things. The systemic way we run campaigns and the systemic way we let the government take over whatever we're doing. You try for a minute. I mean, think about this for a minute. When the Democrats are in the governor's seat or in the presidency, how many people do they hire? Limitless.

They just change the rules and hire those people. I know of dozens of fine lawyers who would like to go to work at the Department of Justice in Washington. They can't even get in the door because they have policies and rules that the Democrats put in place that make it so the institution simply preserves itself and it takes three years to get approved and no one's going through that. Just like in, you know, and again, you think about judicial campaigns. The same thing occurs. I mean, we get good Republican young lawyers or conservative lawyers. I don't think Republican, but just conservative in the way they have botched the law. And you try to talk them into running for the state Supreme Court or the appellate court or the circuit court. You're barking up a tree. I mean, you aren't you aren't button up because you can't guarantee them that the money will be there, that the support will be there. Because it won't be there. It won't be there unless they individually do it and push it and there's some specific reason for that. And that has got to change. I've been reading all the criticism of the Republican Party and nationally and locally. But the reality is if you do not write the checks, the reality is if you do not knock on the doors, if you are not willing to do that, then don't complain. about their operation because they can't do it without you. It's not that it's so simple an answer. It's so obvious an answer. I think that we forget it all the time. It's easier to. It's easy to scream about it, right? It's easier to yell. It's easier to complain. It's harder to work. And especially when you see the institutional rot or maybe ossification is a better word because we have not. going back to Obama, this is how old this is, we haven't kept pace. Not just kept pace in terms of get out the vote. I was talking to Ken Cuccinelli. Yesterday, he was talking about they swamped them in mail-in balloting, in Virginia, et cetera, et cetera, which happens now to us. We don't have an answer for that. But it's not just that. It's the institutional. operation we don't have and we're not developing and there's nothing you or i can do about it there's nothing you know the state republican party can do about that if you don't have any kind of of i guess infrastructure that makes those millionaires that makes those money people say aha we're going to we're going to cut this check now let's let's go back to the point the point in time so just so this doesn't seem so impossible where we did have that It was 2010 when Scott Walker was running for governor. We had it. We had just add water, instant people showing up to do activism. We had money coming out of our ears. We had it. It was there. I don't know where it went. But it isn't something that takes 10 years to form. It's something that takes someone willing to do the hard work to make the calls to put the band back together again. Yeah, two comments. One, people forget that the reason Scott Walker got elected in my view is because of Mark Block. Mark Block, a single person, one guy.

changed the course of Wisconsin politics through, you know, through his organizations. And now he's gone because we destroy him. After he went out to work for Kane, and now he's gone. You, an individual person or persons can change this thing in a minute. I mean, you talked about Tom Tiffany. Tom is spectacular. I mean, he's not good. He's spectacular. He'd be the best governor, I think, in my lifetime. And, and it's because he comes from a very... Wisconsin background, Wisconsin-centric. He looks a lot like Tommy in that regard. And that's such a breath of fresh air. The fact that someone doesn't know he's running and claims to be a Republican or conservatives. I mean, it's just ridiculous. I mean, he's been everywhere. Eric Tony, he's running for Attorney General for the second time. It's not like anybody shouldn't know who he is. Well, nobody knows who he is. If you did a survey, I'll bet 20% of the public knows who he is. He's running for Attorney General. That's really, that's like a critical spot. When Attorney General, you can neuter the governor. When the governorship, you can pretty much, you know, neuter the attorney general. I mean, they have to win one or both of those spots. You don't win either of them. We're relegated to, you know, boys and girls' bathrooms. I mean, that's the rule. That's what happens. So you need to light a fire at least be lit now. Would people quit putting it off to the fall? I mean, do it now. That's, well, that's my message. I want to take a break. Can you stand with me for one more break? Sure, sure. Okay. I want to take a break and come back after news because I want to stay on that one person. There was one person. And that one person was actually just a remarkable person. It was Mark Block. One person, though, who put it together in Wisconsin. So it takes one person. It really does. We do need to take a break, though. I want to come back in just a moment with Judge Jim Troopis. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. And you've got a chance to win $1,000 in our nationwide spring green cash contest. If you recall the word, I can say it again. It's media. Go to our website or our app and enter the keyword media. and you could win $1,000. You have until $9.55 to do that. So Judge Troop is standing by. And let's go back to what something you said. For those of you, we're talking about how we got from perhaps the most effective GOP we ever had during the Tea Party movement to this. And put aside the incredible efforts in the 2024 election for Donald Trump or even the 2016 election for Donald Trump. Because those are things that are disconnected from what we're talking about here. They don't have to be. But I want to point out something. You had mentioned Mark Block. And Mark Block uniquely organized all of these efforts in Wisconsin. He had assists. He had immense support. He had a lot of money. He had a lot of money from a variety of different places. He had Wisconsin Club for Growth that was doing some of the hard messaging stuff. But Mark was out there organizing sportsmen, sportsmen for Walker, women for Walker, veterans for Walker, moms for Walker. We had Americans for prosperity raining money down on the state of Wisconsin, the Coke brothers, the Coke brothers.

God bless them during 2010 and 2011. We had the worst RNC chair ever, Michael Steele. So, you know, you don't need a great RNC chair to pull this stuff off, right? That's what we had someone who was willing to hit the ground and do the hard work, the grubby work that gets no thanks. That was only 2010 and 2011. That was an age in history. It's like yesterday. What did we get out of it? Concealed carry Act 10, Project Labor Agreement changes. Wisconsin Right to Work. The Wisconsin Raines Act. Property tax freezes. I mean, holy smoke. Statewide expansion of school choice. We had a wish list of things we got because once we got power, we acted decisively. Then something changed, and I don't, and I think it was the John Doe investigation. I think it was the left realizing that law fair was going to be their key to unwind all of the Republican efforts. That's a fascinating comment, Vicki. That's a fascinating comment. I think that, yeah, when did it flip? And there it is. And I want to go back with one correction, not just Mark Block, but Vicki McKenna and Talk Radio. We had southeastern Wisconsin talk radio. That was unbeatable. Unbeatable. It was really something to see and hear daily. And interestingly, I'll give a little, your audience a little hint in the background is that is not because the various talk radio people got along with each other. But they each set aside whatever they thought of each other for the greater good of the conservative movement. You know, you can do that. And that was the case then. I think both of us, and I'm going to give a big shout out too to Scott Walker. I mean, look, Scott Walker was uniquely the guy who could do it. He'd been in state government. He understood it. He'd been in county government in Milwaukee. So he knew knives out in Milwaukee. And he knew how to do that. And Mark Block is unique also. Another bit of really inside stuff. You know, Mark Block always pushed the envelope legally. Always. My very, very close friend, former Justice Wilcox, got in a lot of trouble in his campaign that he won because of something Mark Block did, which was to send out a postcard. And it was improper. Later, there was a whole bunch of stuff, whether it's improper or not. The point was he absolutely pushed the envelope and got my good friend John Wilcox in trouble. It shouldn't happen. But the point is simply Mark was unafraid to push the envelope. unafraid. And you may be 100% correct that in the John Doe.

in investigation and what happened. Okay, in the end, right, nobody went to jail or anything like that, but they sent a message that the first thing you need to do is you need to control the other side. You need to make the other side hesitate. We always talk about that in politics. Make them hesitate. And that's why they came after me in 2020. I mean, I'm the most prominent Republican lawyer in the state. So to have. that they could come after me and put me now under a criminal indictment tells you how far they'll go. to push to make sure that the other side doesn't have the lawyers or consultants. Because think about national consultants. And by national consultants, I mean people who raise money for you, okay? That Tom Tiffany and Eric Tony are out there trying desperately to get money. And do they want to come into Wisconsin knowing that the Attorney General will literally indict them? I didn't care whether he wins or not. He's going to bankrupt the fundraiser or the Mark blocks of the world. because that's what he'll do he's made that very clear because he's just coming after the most prominent lawyer in the state on what everybody can see just crap charges making meaningless charges but it doesn't matter because you're still bankrupting me and you're going to bankrupt any other lawyer and so lawyers don't want to work for anybody in the state of wisconsin on the republican side they just don't They know the risk. They know the risk. And Mark Block couldn't have survived without those kind of lawyers and the like, including me for him, that stood up to that. But if you're unwilling to push the envelope, if you're unwilling to take some risks, you will lose. See, that's the problem. Mark was always willing to take risks, high risks sometimes, and so what? That was his attitude. Mark, by the way, if anyone go look up a picture of Mark Buck. This guy is central casting. He looks like exactly the guy we're describing, okay? He is just... He looks like he would be cast in a movie to play himself. He's the cigarette, the cigarette ad he did for Kane, look it up on YouTube. If you see that, that changed modern advertising. Again, Mark is one of the greatest young guys, guys I've known and he's about my age. But, you know, he's, but don't underestimate how hard it was for him personally. Okay, but the lawfare thing, which they have now promised even harder. than they're, then they did it during Trump. By the way, they indicted Trump. They tried, they convicted Trump. Right, right. So, I mean, they've got the president of the United States, for heaven's sake. So, of course, they're going to get the lawyers. They got you. They got John Eastman. They've got, you know, they got Clita Mitchell. They got her to back off. They tried to put Sidney Jerome Powell in prison.

all of these different people who are willing to stand up and go beyond the line and not just tow the line and not fear editorials and not fear nasty comments. That John Doe Lawfare in Wisconsin broke apart the conservative network. It broke apart Wisconsin Club for Growth because it targeted Wisconsin Club for Growth. It broke apart this, you know, the, the, um, the network that Block put together because it needed the lawyers. Nobody wanted to say anything. The media acted as a wing of the lawfare effort. So the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and the Wisconsin State Journal, which is exactly what they're doing to you. But when we decided that we were too afraid to fight back on that, that's when they realized they had us over a barrel. That's when they realized they could implement Barack Obama's control process, control outcomes, and we wouldn't have an answer to it, which is how we got Zuckerbox. It's how we got universal absentee voting. It's how we got indefinite confinement. It's how we got people casting over 50,000 illegal ballots in Wisconsin to deliver the presidency to a dementia-addled moron. That's how it happened because you scared people from fighting. And that's our problem here. That is our only problem is fear. That's it, Jim. In a nutshell, it's fear. You can't whine about the RPW or the RNC because everyone's functioning in the same way. And that includes the people who are out there griping about the institutional party system too. Well, yeah, I mean, if you write a $50,000 check, and there are plenty of people out there who can do this, to the Republican Party of Wisconsin, or through various organizations to Eric Tony and Tom Tiffany, the people and the PACs that support them, you will see your name on the front page to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and then the trolls will come after you. and they'll go after your family, and they'll indict you if you're a despicable piece of garbage like our attorney general call. I mean, because he knows who, he knows who pays his bills. He knows who's going to employ him after his attorney general. He was at Perkins Coe. He understands all that. The members of our state Supreme Court understand that, right? I mean, you know, Dalit and Karovsky and the like. They all understand that I must support these efforts because they'll come after me next. See Eric Swalwell. To push that to the limit, right? They will in fact destroy you. That guy that's working or gal that's working for you today, they will gleefully destroy you.

If you dare speak against them. But I'm going to tell you, there are models of people who have resisted this. And Donald Trump being number one, Ron DeSantis being number two, Greg Abbott, Brian Kemp, they've done this to all these guys. They have. They've threatened them. They've investigated them. They've attempted to get people to come after them. Now, what they all have that we do not have in Wisconsin is they have. all three branches of government. That's what they have. So they've got the legislature, they've got the attorney general, and they've got the governor's seat. When you have those three things, you can endure a lot. You can endure everything if you have those three things. And what President Trump learned was that he didn't have, what he didn't have was the attorney general on his side. And that was the biggest problem for Trump, I think, in the very beginning. But when you, the state level, if you're just talking about at the state level, what Scott Walker, Mark Block, Reince Prebis, Wisconsin Club for Growth all realized was that if we have the Attorney General and at the time it was Brad Schimel and we have the governor and we have a conservative legislature, then bring it. And until they flinched on John Doe instead of talking, they should have never flinched. They should have never been gagged. Until that happened, there was nothing that could touch those guys. And by the way, Ron DeSantis learned, don't flinch. And then I won't be John Doe like Scott Walker was. Well, the other thing is there's people listening to your show this morning who individually can change the world. by participating in Wisconsin in a big way financially or organizationally. And I don't want to name names. I know several people that I just have enormous respect for who have pushed it. But there's more of them out there. Get committed. Please get committed. Get involved. Push it. Get angry. Do the things that need to be done. But individuals change history, don't they, Vicki? History doesn't happen. Just on its own. It's 100% true. Individuals change it. And if the institutions won't help you, go it alone. But, you know, just as I'm thinking about Tom Tiffany here, we have 400,000 concealed carry license holders who only vote in national presidential elections. 400,000. That's huge. That's an immense number of people. Gun owners for Tiffany. 2A for Tiffany. We have a bunch of dairy farmers who are also unplugged except for their own personal issue. Dairy farmers for Tiffany, for heaven's sake. Tom Tiffany was a dairy farmer. These are the things that an individual can organize in a way. And once they're there, once there's this sort of, even if it's just five people on a letterhead and you've got a 501 filing, that's a place to put money. Just so everybody understands, you can actually solicit for money that way. And we've seen that happen with scam packs. But if you actually do this legit to help Tom Tiffany win, to help Eric Tony win, you know, it's not, it isn't that logistically difficult to do. You just got to have the guts and the courage to go forward. And again, they've proved it in other states that even now.

You can do this in Texas, in Florida, in Georgia. They've proved it. You can do this. Yeah. And I think, again, I think Tom and Eric are, you know, the candidates here. And they need to spend every minute of their life campaigning going door to door. We used to say when Tommy was governor before he was governor, you know, you were never safe from Tommy showing up at your bowling alley. And that was a great comment about Tommy Thompson, how hard he were. But that's that's Tom Tiffany. Tom's been out there doing that. Eric Tony's been out there doing that. So you've got to break through here. You've got these guys are going to be attacked. Licky, let's be clear on this. They're going to find things to go after with Tom. Tom's going to have to survive that. And he will because he's a tough northern Wisconsin guy. And I just think he's the right man at the right time to be the next governor. And he. But again, because he has the national experience, as well as I knew him when he was in the statehouse, and he's got that level of experience and knowledge to once he becomes governor to really make a difference. Yep. He got elected in the Walker era. He got elected in the Tea Party era. So, I mean, you got to. That's just the tradition that he comes out of. Jim Troopus, thank you so much for joining me on the program today. Judge Troopus.com is where you can find more about Jim's case. We do encourage you to please go there, read. Please make a donation if you're able to. I appreciate the time. Thank you, Vicki. We'll be right back. And welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. Here's your chance to win $1,000 in the spring green cash contest. Brand new keyword for the 10 o'clock hour. The word is win. W-I-N. Go to the website W-I-B-A.com or the iHeartRadio app. If you are listening on the app right now, scroll down and you will see the contest link. Enter the keyword win. You could win $1,000. I don't know if we've had any winners thus far. We usually typically, hang on, let me just double check that. Not yet. So our first week so far, we have not had winners. In this contest, we typically have anywhere from 12 to 20 as a cluster. So we do encourage people to play. We'll call you if you win. Do not, by any, for any reason, keep your phone. call screening settings in place. Otherwise you'll miss us. Okay. I wanted to get to this story. It is about a New York Times article that is chronicling the misery of people previously employed by USAID. People previously employed by USAID who are making salaries of, well, just throughout some, $270,000. $190,000, $525,000. They were employed through USAID so that they could use printed taxpayer money to supposedly help poor people by doing things like this, spending money on a grant to create.

the Iraqi Sesame Street, spending money on a grant to create advertising campaigns in third world countries promoting abortion. So they're getting paid these immense amounts of money and all of these grants have gone away. And a significant portion of USAID has gone away. Thank you, Marco Rubio. You're going to heaven just because of that. And they can't find jobs. They're all living in Alexandria and they don't know how to pay their mortgages and they can't find jobs. One particularly sad story was a woman making $270,000 and her job was to promote abortion messaging, family planning messaging to those ignorant brown people in third world countries who just don't know they should stop having kids. And she's not getting hired at the job she's applying for. So she's right now in the application process to become a manager at a Penzi Spice in the mall near her home for $19 an hour. She can't get a job in the private sector with her skill set. None of these people can. That's the whole point of the article. Their skill set. does not translate anywhere else except government NGOs. And if you have zero value, your skill, I shouldn't say you, you don't have zero value, but if your skill set has zero value outside government NGOs, you have no skill set, you are not offering. any value to an employer. No one values this. Promoting abortion in third world countries has zero value to anybody who isn't in the realm of politics. And curiously, she can't get hired. There's too many of them already employed at the DNC. Zero value. So we have been funding. hundreds of billions of dollars a year through USAID. Now, again, Marco Rubio choked off most of it, hundreds of billions of dollars so that a whole bunch of people can make upper middle class incomes and afford homes in Alexandria, Virginia, who are not employable anywhere else in the country. Not even employable, kind of. Like, I don't want to hire you as the mid-level manager at a fast food chain. Like not employable anywhere, not in an insurance company, not in a restaurant, not at a retail spice outlet run by a leftist. You're not employable. That's the government. Anybody would whine about that. The reaction to that should have been, why are we paying anyone $270,000 a year to do something literally That has zero value. We're paying you $270,000 and you have zero value as a skill. But that's what we've done. So that's American University. That's government. And when you start clearing it out, you realize the immense level of just waste that we have been indulging.

And the people we've empowered because USAID had power. How did it have power? It had power because it was altering the narrative. That's why it had power. It had political power. It was an arm that was functioning as a prop to progressives and globalists. So that's where it had its power. Now, if that lady making $270,000 a year, If her skill set has value, then where are the globalists hiring her? Okay, your skill set has value. We will privately pay you to go promote abortion in third world countries. They won't do it. It doesn't even have value to the people who wanted to see it happen in the first place if they've got to write the check for it. We were the ones underwriting that waste. Black Rock, Vanguard's, Blackstone, State Street, none of them get World Economic Forum, United Nations, UNICEF, none of these bodies want to underwrite these people. Have fun. Hope you get that mid-level manager job at the Pensies Spice. Maybe you can help him edit the catalog every single month bashing on Donald Trump. Let's take a quick break. We're going to talk about that. basically the devaluing of work itself. These people didn't work. They didn't work. They got money. They didn't work. So we devalued work. For some reason, a whole bunch of people in the press seemed to think that it was just like the worst thing on earth that we were paying upper middle income white people a whole bunch of money to not work. Well, things are changing. Now we are reset to a place where work itself is valued. And we're going to come back and talk more about that.

Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. So let's talk about the revaluation of the very concept of work, work that has value. I guess you could maybe describe sitting at a $270,000 a year job while promoting abortion policy in third world countries as work. But given now that the people who have lost those, quote, jobs for basically being paid around to do nothing, can't find any work, it means that their skill set doesn't have value, which means it's not a skill set. So we are resetting in the United States. You know, I'm not sure how we're going to, how much government we're going to reset, but we are resetting this idea. That you go to college, you get a degree in poetry, not even good poetry, crappy poetry, slam poetry, whatever. And that somehow you're just going to be able to get a job that doesn't require you to do anything and it doesn't require you to have any sense of real marketable value as skill. That's changing. And it's changing necessarily. But there's also... Some associated problems that are coming with that. We just had the Department of Education announced that it is not going to be offering lending to degrees that cannot earn more money than a high school diploma. We've got people on bended knee begging for folks to go into the trades. We have got a massive gap. of jobs out there that are unfilled. And so it's it's with that landscape that I bring Dr. Jershon Moreno Rihanna, who is the president of Cornerstone University to talk about this. So at least we're doing something I didn't know is possible. And that is. kind of revaluing this concept of marketable skill, right? That's a good thing. Now how do we implement it so that we actually can get bodies into jobs, people earning money, and not do it in a way that ruins their ability to afford it in the first place? Well, Vicki, thank you for having me on the program. I think one of the things that the president has done and the DOE has done is so important. It is shaking up the higher ed sector to ensure that what we do really offers real value to parents, the families, and the market. And for too long, higher education in America, in many ways it's isolated from reality, right? and doing things that have very little value, quite frankly, are not helping us, not helping coming everyday folks, not helping our country. And I think it's resetting this.

And he, of course, and we took that very seriously now for several years. We focused on what we call market intelligence, and how do we really prepare our students, not just with a strong moral compass of the Christian worldview, we're at Christian University, but also ensuring that they have what we call market intelligence, so that when they get to market, two industry, two jobs, they have actual applied skills, applied soft and hard skills. that the market is crying out for and they can be leveraged in any industry sector any job they go to we do not want to offer a relevant education at cornerstone we work hard to actually call our programs and eliminate programs that have no market destination and are not helping our students we want our students to land get great jobs, and add great value to the society and through our country. So I think President Trump's call and his new regulations that will be out here soon, holding the sector accountable. For me, they're welcome. We're not scurring around trying to figure out what to do for two or three years at Cornerstone University here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. We've been at this to ensure our students are prepared. steps ahead of any other graduate when they leave the university. So that's the thing. You get it done fast. You get it done with a solid background, but you make sure that by the time they're done, that the students actually have marketable skills that are desired by job creators. So, you know, that's the thing. And that's what college. College used to do that. You used to go to your, you know, your college office that had. that was basically a place to find recruiters and you would say who's going to offer me work Now that I've got this ridiculous degree, I had a ridiculous degree, who's going to offer me work? So when I go in and say that back in the 1980s in the very early 1990s, I was told not many, Vicky, but since you decided to major in Marxist social theory, lots of graduate schools want to give you money. So at least I had that, right? But I walked in and said, where am I going to go after I'm done here? the science majors, the chem majors, the English majors, they all did the same thing. And they were given, here's a source of income, here's a source of a job, and you got help. You don't have that anymore. Well, no, I mean, I just spoke last week at a firm here in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and afterwards two students who had just graduated from one of the Michigan's flagship universities here came to me and said, Mr. President, thank you for what you have shared about making education more relevant and compelling. We are college graduates, and we're not using our degree for anything right now, and we have a bunch of debt we have.

And so thank you for doing something about it. And like those two, Vicki, there are millions more out there who are leaving in some ways with worthless degrees that have very little market value. And the challenges that in higher education, in many universities, faculty and administrators don't care. They actually think the market has to change to adjust to them and to their degrees. But that's just not realistic. And not only that, it's not helpful to the millions of Americans indebted over higher ed. We need to change. The sector has to change. And we've taken it very seriously here. We put in place, for example, mandatory experiential internships for all of our students. So before they graduate, they actually have to be in the field in actual job corporate settings. working, learning as a part of their education. We believe it is absolutely critical. We also put in what we call a career calling office. We bring in employers and experts to help our students and prepare them. And we also put together a present industry council. I have seven or eight CEOs whom I meet with that advise me and advise the institution on ensuring that there's no gap between what the students are learning in the market. And I think it's helping us. to be cutting edge, leading, but more than anything serving our students well. Yeah, so that your customer is the student. Your customer isn't the federal government. Your customer is the student. The student needs to have a way to find value besides just I'm going to college to party. And that's another thing that's going to have to change is that this is kind of like a right of passage. Go to higher education. We told every young person, you've got a 13 on your ACT. You still should go to college. By the way, no, you shouldn't. You know, you've got 760 on your SAT verbal. You should go to college. No, you shouldn't do that. You're just going to wind up in debt and no job. And you're probably going to quit and still have the debt and no job. So we have to refocus, at least in higher ed. I don't think it would take many policy changes. How about this? How about put lending back in the hands of private lenders. It has only been about 15 years since lending has been largely driven by the government. You put lending for higher education back into the hands of private lenders. And then Cornerstone looks a lot more appealing to most private lenders than say that 19th century lesbian feminist poetry degree you want to get at Yale. Well, yes, and I'll say one more thing. I think universities have to do a better job, have to change their business model to reduce the cost of doing business. Because what's happening is that it continues to balloon. And what many universities do is you pass it on to the student and you get subsidized in some way, shape, or form to maintain those costs. I think we have to change that. We've been at this at Carson for three years. We reset our tuition.

We have not raised it for the last three years, and we have reworked how we operate, how we do business, how we deliver education to be better stewards and more effective ones. So the argument for us is we can offer a high-quality education and still be affordable and accessible and lower the cost and lower the debt burden that students bring. That's on us. If universities are not pushed in this direction to transform and... how they do their working business, it will just continue to balloon. You have universities, Vanderbilt, last year, the first one to cross $100,000 a year for tuition for one year. So half a million dollars almost of cost to get a degree at that school. That's absolutely ridiculous. We have to do that. Sure it is. Because where are you going to go? What field are you going to go into that in five years you'll be able to make $200,000 a year so you can easily pay back a half a million dollars in student loans? Like none. Hardly any. Unless you're a genius physicist, unless you're going to be the next, you know, brilliant tech CEO, you know, it's really low. There's a low likelihood that you're going to be able to do that. I'll give you an example that isn't quite as expensive, but it's still problematic. The University of Wisconsin, everybody will tell you this. If you want to get your engineering degree, if you want to get your whatever degree. you're not getting out in four years because you've got all these things, mandatory classes you've got to take. But you know what? The other mandatory classes that have nothing to do with your degree get in the way of you seeking out the classes that do support your degree, which are not always offered every single year. And so typically, and this is a typical story, you've got to hang out there for another year so that you can finally check boxes. on the number of credits you need for your major. And that major could be a really great major, like engineering, or it could be a really lame major, like 19th century lesbian feminist poetry. Absolutely. And I think that this is why there's another push in the industry. It's very little part of the issues with the accrediting agencies as well. They really stifle innovation and change in this. So another move that we've seen, and we're beginning to take a very, very focused look on this, is shifting degrees from the four-year degree to a three-year undergraduate degree, delivering quality, delivering what people need in the market, delivering the moral skills they need, but shifting all of this. But it is very difficult to do that now. Some universities are trying to do it, but you have a creditors who say no, because they're run by academics in faculty or faculty sponsors that, say, four years or more. So it's time to rethink how we do it. I think the regulations from DOE over the last 12 months are pushing the sector in that. And I think the institutions are able to do it with quality are going to win and serve our country better. Those who don't are going to struggle. Some will not make it?

Yeah, by the way, nobody cares that it says Yale. Now that's almost working against you at a lot of jobs. I have a feeling that the Vanderbilt type of degree that those USAID workers with zero skills who now cannot find jobs because they don't have any marketable skills, I'm pretty sure that that's not helping them. also pretty sure they still have student debt to pay off, even years and years. This is dumb. DOE can make the changes, but also Congress has to make the changes as well by saying, you know, most student lending is going to go back to the private sector, the private banks. Because if that happens, then those accreditors are going to be forced to help the universities become more flexible because the universities are suddenly going to be under the gun because those subsidies in the form of student loans are not going to be flowing in. Give people more information about your university. Where can people find more information about that in the next 30 seconds? Absolutely. Cornerstone.edu. That's the best place. The website, www. www. Cornerstone.edu, Grand Rapids, Michigan. And Vicki, thank you for the opportunity. My pleasure. Dr. Gershawne-Moriano, Riano. I hope I'm saying your name right, sir. Who is the president of this university. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so much. And we will take a break. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. I don't know why we're playing Hells Bells for this segment. That's probably kind of tacky. But anyway, we're going to talk about death. So, yeah, Hell's Bells, not what we wanted to actually focus on because this is not as dark as you're going to think it is, given the subject of the topic. And I have CJ Klaus, standing by from Klaus Financial. And the reason I bring you on, CJ, is because I have family members. who are currently trying to navigate the process of an estate in probate because their father, my brother, didn't do any planning. And it sucks. It just sucks for them. And I was the beneficiary of some very excellent death planning by my parents. And I just wish I could wave a magic wand and make these kids go through less. But boy, there are really ways to make it a whole lot easier after you're gone, aren't there? Yeah, there are, Vicky. And let me just begin by saying, I am, I'm heartbroken for you and for your family. And as you said, extended family members. Yeah, it's one thing to talk about this academically on a radio show like we do. It's a whole other thing to actually experience this. But yes, you are correct, Vicki. I mean, even inside of your own experience, you can acknowledge that there's...

It's never easy. I want to say one thing right away. There is no way to make processing death either financially or emotionally easy, right? It's like when somebody says, I want to run a marathon and you help me make it easy, right? You go, no, no, no, no, no. Running a marathon is not easy. Just like dealing with death is never easy. There's no amount of planning that you can do that'll make it easy. However, You can make it more streamlined. You can make it more straightforward. And as you've experienced inside of your own family, Vicki, it is the most loving thing that you can do. Uh-huh. 100%. Yeah. Yep. So here's when I want to try to get people to understand. You want your kids to have to, to be able to avoid probate. Probate stinks. Probate takes forever. It takes money away from your kids. It costs to comply. And the timeline, especially if those young people need assets, your assets is oftentimes so slow. that it doesn't help them in the time that it needs to help them. Okay? So that's when I'm, if anyone can take away anything, CJ, it is to help people, there are a number of different ways. And while I won't say they're easy, you know how to do them. I don't know how to do them, but that's why you call people like you. You can set up trusts. You can help people understand that right now you can move money into your kids' accounts, tax-free, for you, for them that they can use right now even, or you can manage this in such a way so that they are not hammered with this hell in trying to process the emotional sadness they will have after you die. That's right, Vicki. Yeah, I would add to that. So we did a radio show on this through Money in Motion on the very topic of a state planning going beyond the will. And I would say one of the things that came out of that show was that the most powerful document that we all have, all of us have in our hip pocket is a beneficiary designation form on our life insurance policies. on our bank accounts, they're known as transfer on death or payable on death, on our retirement accounts, whatever it might be. If you actually think of the size of somebody's estate, often a lot of the value of their estate is held inside of retirement accounts, bank accounts, things like that. And so you can just literally sign off and say, hey, when I die, I don't want any of this money to go through probate. I want it to immediately, as soon as I have a death certificate, if I'm listed as a beneficiary and I have a death certificate, I can go to the bank. I can go to the retirement account institution. I can go anywhere and get it paid out many times within weeks. Now, you are correct, Vicki, though. There are assets that must pass via some sort of estate plan. That would be like typically a will.

or a trust and those are things like homes your car furniture stuff like that that typically doesn't have a beneficiary although interestingly enough you talk to a good lawyer in wisconsin you can put a transfer on death on your home meaning you don't even need a will or trust for your home you can have a to d that upon your death can transfer the home so listen everybody beneficiary designations basic estate planning is just so key. And I think Vicky is a testament to that. Well, and it was, so I, I'm telling my niece and nephew, I'm saying things like, you didn't realize because no one told you that you were going to both become the CEO of this, this short-term company called My Dad's Death. You know, that's what they weren't expecting because it was sad, right? They were very upset. And so now, you know, you've got $18,000 to plan a funeral. You've got all in there. And these, they're kids. They're Gen Z. They're going, where are we going to get the money? You know, so luckily they had a loving aunt and uncle, but a lot of people don't. And so because my brother, who was a beneficiary of really excellent estate planning by his parents. didn't do it, didn't do beneficiary designation, except on his life insurance. So his 401K doesn't have a beneficiary. His bank account doesn't have a beneficiary. He didn't have a transfer of death on his home. He didn't think, you know, even, you know, to just like, let's copy what mom and dad did for us. And they did a trust for us. And everything was self-executing. And it was, and so there's a whole bunch of different options that work better for other people. No one thought. ahead of time to do the tax-free gift. You can transfer per parent, $19,000, I think it is. Tax-free to your kids, you can set it aside for them if you just want to put it into an account for it. It's tax-free for them for you. I mean, there's so many ways to do this that I kind of wish that tax time you'd be forced to have to fill out another form that makes you make these decisions. Yeah, no, I mean, Vicki, you're hitting on a bunch of them. There is, I will encourage everybody if you are able to hear this and take some action on it. There is a process to go through, beneficiary designations, wills, trust, gifting, it includes all of that. Often people don't want to gift money to their minor children because when they turn 18 or 21, it becomes theirs. And that's fair. So you can set up trust for this. So there's very reasonable, logical steps to go through. But it's not that hard. We just need to take control over our own lives to recognize, hey, the mortality rate, Vicki, is hovering right around 100%. So pretty much we're all going to die. The question is... When? It sounds like in the case of your brother much earlier than your family had hoped, but we're all going to die. We have to deal with that. And there's just such simple ways to love our families well, and it gets really messy when it's not there. Now, I do want to encourage you, Vicky, and all of the listeners, there is...

It's not as though your brother's estate will blow up and go to the state of Wisconsin. Right. That's often what people think is, oh, the money's gone. It's going to go to the state. No, it just takes a lot of time, and it's very expensive, and there's a lot of court filing fees to get everything done, most of which could have all been avoided with some good estate plan. Correct. Almost all of it could be avoided. There's publication in local newspapers. Creditors have to have a chance to make a claim against the state. My husband is going through this with his father, who also did not do any estate planning. So he's in his 11th month in Wisconsin probate. Eleven months. Now, in Illinois, where my brother died in Wisconsin, but the probate process is going to be in Illinois. It's worse. The estimate is that this is going to cost. About 3% of whatever the estate was worth. That's kind of a rough national estimate of probate ends up costing people. Three percent. Just kiss it away. But it's the time typically to get everything. And that's what is such a headache and a heartache for people, especially if like you're doing, you know, you've got to deal with. you're the funeral, just the funeral cost. It was almost $20,000 for a funeral, you know? Do you have $20,000 laying around? You know, a lot of people don't, especially if they're under the age of 40. A lot of people over the age of 60 don't have $20,000 laying around. So that's why I want to bring, so Claus Financial does this for people, right? Yeah, we don't do the estate planning work, but we do all the beneficiary work. And so we're the, we call ourselves a quarterback. We're the quarterback that works with your lawyer, with your accountant, on your investments, just to make sure that the whole financial picture is taken care of. So that in the event of one of these horrific circumstances that unfortunately is going to happen to all of us, that it's not a mess for the beneficiaries. Because listen, at the end of the day, This is going to be traumatic. Whenever it happens, death will be traumatic to the family that is left on earth. The most loving thing that you can do is to try to plan ahead for that event. And in some circumstances, Vicki, we have, you know, clients that will actually pre-plan the funeral. They'll pre-pay for the funeral. I mean, think about all these steps that you can take to try to think these things out. But at a minimum, everybody. Focus on your beneficiary designations. Get a basic will or trust put into place. You can save your family a lot of headache. Again, I had the best parents. They did everything. They planned everything. It was nearly self-executing. Wow. As miserable as it was, that was the easy part of it, was the execution of the estate. The funeral had been planned within the trust, the explanations, the dollars set aside, the plot. You know, don't forget your plot. You're going to need a plot or whatever plan is you're going to have for when you pass. And so.

You never want to think about it because especially Gen X, we don't ever think we're going to die, right? That's right. And the boomers, you guys are clinging, you boomers. But you are, it will happen. Someone is going to be responsible. Just I say grease the skids for them. I was, I'm, I cannot. I mean, I wish I could hug my parents for doing this for us because it was so. It was just, it was seamless. And you can do that. And it didn't cost them a fortune to put together. They had a quarterback like you who was working to make sure everything's in the document so that it is, by the time, you know, bad things go down, everything's in place. And God bless them for doing it. But I just want everyone to understand, do it now. It's, you know, consider it an investment in your kids. That's right. Or whoever else is going to be the beneficiary of your estate. Amen to that. You know, there are certain things. What is the, what is the probate rule in Wisconsin where you don't have it? It's like, it's pretty low, isn't it? Like, there is a threshold below which you don't need to worry about any of this. But it's pretty low. It's like $50,000 or something. I was just going to say it's 50, somewhere between $50,000 and $100,000. It's like a de minimis amount that they don't want to mess around with. They'll look at it and then say, we don't need to go through all of probate. That's right. Right. So, but that, yeah, that might be a lot of people in which case, okay. But if you have more than that, like your house is probably worth more than that, then you're going to want to do something. Well, well, so we've actually talked about this on our show before. I would say, remember, believe it or not, estate planning is more than just death planning. It's also like, because you're right. You go, oh, maybe you don't need to do a will if you've got less than $50,000. I would say, no, no, no, no, no. Remember, wills have guardianships for minors as well. right so like you want to name a guardian for your children i would assume if they're minors and then part of that estate planning process is also powers of attorney so if i'm incapacitated who makes financial or health care related decisions for me so i would say if you're an adult with more than one dollar to your name like or even even a minor child or if you need care in the event that you're incapacitated which is every American adult, right? You need to get some sort of basic documents in place. And Vicki, you hit it. This is not that expensive. I know, there's even, there's even, you know, companies online like legal Zoom that are really inexpensive where you can just do a, fill in a form template. So don't, you know, don't make excuses. As Americans, we don't like to deal with death. But, but, oh my goodness, it's a gift to your family when you think ahead. Yeah, and I'm just telling you, just having to watch this stinks because those kids just, you know,

I'd rather just have them be able to think about the good things about their dad. And he was a beneficiary of great estate planning. By the way, I'm glad you brought up power of medical, power of attorney, all of these things. Thankfully, my brother, when he declared his power of medical attorney, he was able to do that while he was hospitalized. Good. Thank God. You know, not sometimes you get hospitalized and you are not conscious. He was, you know, in the early stages was, was more conscious. So he was able to do this. But that's so important. You never think about these things. And so I would encourage people to go to Kloss with 2A's Financial.com. Kloss, K-L-A-A-S, Financial.com. Throw it in grok. or chat GPT or Google or whatever if you just want to start poking around on this. And you will very rapidly realize two things. Number one, there's a lot of moving parts to it so it's better if someone does it for you. And number two, it's not as expensive as you think it is. So, CJ, thank you so much for joining me on the program. It's my pleasure, Vicki, and my condolences to you and your family. Thank you for helping us on the program. And thank you for that as well. We'll take a break on the Vicki McKenna show, and I will be right back. All right. We're running out of time in this part of the show. nine to 11 right then i'm on from two to three so Tom Tiffany is going to join me on the program and i want to talk about Tom Tiffany specifically because i opened the show by saying how do there how are there people who don't even know who Tom Tiffany is um so we'll go we'll kind of dive a bit back into the problem of low propensity, low information Republicans. But I also want to talk about the Democratic candidates and the attacks that are being launched against Tom Tiffany. So he's going to join me on the program. Also have lots more chances for you to win $1,000 in our cash contest. In fact, right after the top of the hour, you'll have a chance. And then again, the next hour, et cetera, until 5 o'clock. So we will take a break for lunch. We'll see you back here at 2 o'clock.

Good afternoon and welcome to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna show. We got Tom Tiffany coming up on the program. Before we get to anything, though, here's your word to win $1,000 in our spring green cash contest. Grand. Grand. So just to enter the keyword grand at our website, newstalk 1130.com or W-I-B-A-D-com or on the I-HartRadio app. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I know a lot of you listen on the I-Hart Radio app, and it's awesome because it's crystal clear. All you have to do if you're on are one of those two radio stations, either News Talk 1130 or News Talk 1310. Just scroll down a bit. You're going to find the contest link. Play the contest that way. And win that money. Our nationwide spring green cash contest, we will call you if you win. I know a lot of you've turned on those call screening features in your settings, turn those off. All right? So we're going to talk more about SPLC because the rabbit hole in SPLC goes very, very deep. It is not simply a handful of people who are playing Klansmen to stage events so they could fundraise. It is way deeper than that. SPLC sets the narrative and has. for at least a decade for the DNC, for everyone associated with progressive politics. So we will talk about that. Now, something to report because folks are saying, well, there's more to the SPLC indictments. There's just so much more there. Why just do fraud? Well, I don't think it's just that. I do think there's more to it than... scratching the surface and being done with it. And the reason I think that is because in the wake of the announcement of the indictments where millions of dollars were paid to so-called white supremacists to stage fake false flag operations, to generate fundraising opportunities for SPLC, but also then to justify targeting. of conservatives with lawfare operations and the FBI, which happened. In the wake of that, Scott Bessent made a move. Scott Bessent, our Treasury Secretary, and full confession, I just love the guy. I think besides maybe Marco Rubio. I like him the best in the Trump administration. I like Pete Hegseth a lot, too. But I like, I think, because Scott Bessent's just a, he's a quiet assassin, you know. If you guys remember the movie Dances with Wolves and the names of the people in that tribe, right, dances with wolves. He would be smiles with a knife. That would be Scott Bessent's name in that tribe. All right. He's going through what are called 999 forms.

They are nonprofit disclosure forms. And the way the forms are set up, you don't have to disclose where your money comes from. So if you're a nonprofit and there's Tides Foundation, you know, Open Society Foundation, the gigantic, you know, orbit of nonprofits, the way the forms are designed, you don't have to disclose where your money comes from. He's going to change that. That simple change, that simple change is going to result, I think, in an awful lot of people trying to figure out how to reorganize their nonprofits to keep them alive. Because that simple change exposes anonymity. You must disclose who your donors are. You must. So glisten. We talk a lot about glisten. This is the whatever, gay, lesbian, straight, trans, whatever alliance. They started out as a nothing organization and then they got massive and they're anonymous. Their dollars are anonymous, not any longer. And Scott Bessent has the authority to change that on his own. So we're going to talk more about SPLC. It's the acorn of our time. SPLC is responsible for promoting white supremacy, white supremacy. SPLC is responsible for promoting Black Lives Matter. SPLC is responsible for promoting George Floyd riots. SPLC is responsible for promoting attacks on pro-life organizations. They're responsible for promoting attacks on traditional Catholic organizations. lawfare. They are responsible for that. So this is not, that's what ACORN was when Barack Obama first became president. They were this massive blob NGO that was functioning in the exact same way SPLC is right now. So now once we knock them down, and I think that will happen, there will be another one to sort of fill the gap, which is why Scott Bessent is making his move. That's why. He's wonderful. Gosh, I'm glad he's on our side. Because if he were on their side, I mean, the man's an economic ninja. And it's just fabulous to watch him because he's helping us. And I think he has an idetic memory. And I know that he has a long memory because he doesn't forget the people who wronged him. Anyway, we're going to take a break. We got Tom Tiffany coming up, more on the SPLC. All of that's ahead on the program. Don't forget your chance to win $1,000. The word is grand. I can say it. I've been greenlighted to say it as much as I want. Grand, grand, grand, grand, grand. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. One of the most famous opening segments in rock music right there. Boy, I thought you would have picked almond brothers, Tom Tiffany. Thanks for joining me on the program. Great to have you on the show. Well, you know, you can't have people getting comfortable and now and then you've got to throw them a curveball, right, Vicki? Yeah, I want to just take like 20 seconds and encourage people to go look up the history of that song.

which is give me shelter, go look up a movie called 20 feet from stardom. It's a documentary about backup singers because you will learn the amazing story of the woman who killed that song with her backup vocals, a woman named Mary Jay Clayton. It's a fascinating story. Just a little bit of, you know, it's political diversion. You don't even, it won't, it's not political at all. And it's just one of the most interesting stories in rock and roll. And the really terrific documentary about backup singers was called 20 feet from stardom. Anyway, how you doing? One of the key reasons why that became one of the, I rank it number one on my list of rock songs and in a large part because of what Mary Jay Clayton did on this song. It was phenomenal. Phenomenal. And she got dragged out of bed in silk pajamas with her hair and curlers and four months pregnant, and she absolutely nailed it. Anyway, that's just a part of the story. So let's get to the campaign here. I want to start with Francesca Hong because she is leading the Democratic pool. I don't know how, but she's leading the Democratic pool. This is a woman who poses on Earth Day wearing a ball cap that says either 666. or GGG. And if you look up what GGG means in modern slang, it's filthy. It's filthy. So either the sign of the beast or a filthy acronym that references online sexual behavior, okay? This is the woman who's leading the pack. Her number one goal for Wisconsin. is defunding the police. She's running on this, Tom. And I'm not seeing anybody paying any critical attention to her in the press. It's all latitudes and soft, you know, soft interviews with her. So can we talk about this woman? Because if this Madison Radical becomes governor, it's over for Wisconsin. So first of all, one of five that belongs to the socialist Democrat caucus, whatever they call it, in the state assembly, who knew that you would see something like this here in the United States of America, but it is there. And they are seeking the full transformation of America. Look at what happened in Virginia. Republicans had an extinction event that happened Tuesday in Virginia. They are going to try to do the same thing in Wisconsin. They converted California starting in the 80s. Minnesota and Illinois have been fully converted. Virginia is now in two years with them having full control out there. It will be fully converted. They want to do the same thing in Wisconsin, and Democrats are confident that they can do it. But this is the true believers of the progressive left. This is what they have dreamed of. And Francesca is their candidate. By the way, for economic development plan includes legalizing prostitution.

Legalizing prostitution, she wants a taxpayer-funded grocery stores for Milwaukee, legalized prostitution, legalized weed, no police officers receiving any money, and to empty the prisons out of violent offenders. That's their agenda. Let's talk about something you said. When you look at Virginia, why did you say it was an extinction event? Because, you know, Cuchinelli and other people are saying, well, the courts are going to overturn this. For now, if they maintain control of the legislature and the governor's chair, they're going to do it right the next time. And they will never relinquish power again. Illinois, once they decided to rig the maps, never relinquished power and won't have to. Minnesota, same thing, California, same thing, New York. And it will be Wisconsin because they're already talking about it. Oh, there's no doubt about it. And they're giddy at this point. They believe they're going to get the trifecta this fall. They believe they're going to win assembly, the Senate, and the governorship. And this is what they're going to do. I mean, believe them when they tell you who they are. Amongst other things, Francesca Hong believes that child grooming is just fine. She voted against making that a felony to groom a child. And this is who is leading the field for the Democrats at this point. And you just said, and there is a real possibility that she is going to become the nominee for them. And by the way, her most important endorsement that she just received was from one Ilhan Omar from Minneapolis, Minnesota. So Elon Musk Omar is considered a feather in the cap of a Democratic candidate for governor. A woman who is credibly accused of committing immigration fraud. A woman who is credibly accused of committing just general financial fraud. A woman who is credibly accused of supporting Somalia rather than the United States. And that's what the Democrats say is something that they would be proud to have endorsed them. So that's what we're in for. That is what Purple Wisconsin, you know, the Democrats claim Purple Wisconsin needs is to have essentially Minnesota imported into the state of Wisconsin, Minnesota government, Minnesota policies, Minnesota corruption.

Yes, and the good news is you don't have to allow it to happen. If you don't want child through me, you can vote for Tom Tiffany. If you want to be sure that she voted against no taxes on chips in overtime. If you think working class people in Wisconsin should be able to keep more of their money, then vote for Tom Tiffany. You don't have to vote for these people because every solution that they talk about involves the state government running your life. The state government running your life is not going to make you happen. So here's something I want to talk about, which is about sort of the blocking and tackling stuff. I began my show today in the morning when I was out in the morning talking about people who have no knowledge of who the candidates are. And it doesn't matter on the left because they are handed a name and they are told to vote. They are revolutionary in their zeal. And so turnout tends to not be a problem. On our side, we are having a functional media blackout on your campaign so that people who are, you know, typical Republicans are saying who are the candidates for governor on the right? Who's running for the Republican nomination? And that has everything to do with the press acting as an arm of the Wisconsin Democrats. What do we do to get around that problem? We just started 10 days ago when we went up statewide with the first ad called cliche. And you can find out, you can find out a window to Tom Tiffany's world and how as a lifelong resident of Wisconsin, I'm going to govern, I'm going to govern as the next governor. And so we know, we know we're going to give it no favor by the press. We know that. So we're buying our own meat. We're delivering our message. And I can tell you, our door knockers are hearing about it. They're like, I hadn't heard of this guy before, but it sounds kind of interesting. And it is so important that we get the message out about who I am in an unvarnished fashion before the Democrats start throwing out all the Trump stuff and all the rest. And that's what we're doing right now. That's why we are up right now. Make sure that people get at this book at Tom Chiffin. Don't wait until after the primary. That's too late. That's August. Do it now because they will define you. And right now, they're busy slicing and dicing each other. You've got Sarah Rodriguez, the lieutenant governor. She is basically saying, I'm going to hide my budgeting. You've got Francesca Hong, the lunatic socialist from Madison who wants hookers and weed and kids groomed and she walks around in a Satan hat and she thinks police should lose their jobs. She's also the one out there. They're hiding. By the way, they're hiding information about Rodriguez. They're hiding information about Francesca Hong. You would swear Mandela Barnes doesn't even exist. I haven't seen his name. pop up in anything for a good deal of time and David Crowley might as well just hang it up but that they're doing this is the democrats slice and dice each other they're they're not paying attention to the to the hits that they're landing on each other because it's all being done only internally

Once they're done, that's when everyone switches their attack mechanism to Tom Tiffany. And if you don't define yourself as a dairy farmer, as a Northwoods guy, by the way, Francesca Hong doesn't know how to spell Northwoods. That's amazing to me. As a Northwoods guy, as a lifelong Wisconsin resident, as a rural Wisconsin guy, if you don't do that first, they're going to turn you into the second coming of the Mean Orange Man. We went up 10 days ago and we're going to stay up the rest of the way here to make sure that we define this race on our terms where we're going to bring prosperity back to Wisconsin. 400-year property tax increase, it's done. Day one. We're going to get control of utility rates. And by the way, we're going to stop this conversion farmland. Did you hear about the town hall that was held in Mineral Point that I attended last Saturday night? 200 people showed up. 200 people showed up on a Saturday night to say they do not want their farm converted to these intermittent sources of power. They want to save Wisconsin agricultural land and tradition. People are ready for this massive of, we need to stay with them. So, you know, they're abusing our right to farm. We have a right to farm amendment in the Wisconsin Constitution. That's what they're abusing to put solar arrays on farmland. 200 people show up on a Saturday night. 200 people would show up on a Saturday night at midnight if they were doing the same thing for a data center. People are sick of just being pushed around by the people in the utilities, the monopolies in the utilities, the people in green energy. They're getting tired of that. But you know what? No one knows in Mineral Point. If it's not happening in, you know, Greenfield, does anybody know that this kind of thing is happening? So if you're hearing us and you're wondering what we can do to get the message out, just start talking to people. That's what I don't understand. Does everyone in your family know that the 400-year veto caused this massive property tax increase? Does everyone know that Wisconsin schools are at sub- 40% proficiency in reading and math. Does everybody know this stuff? And if the answer is no, then tell them and tell them there's a solution, which is you, of course. With every challenge, there's an opportunity. And that's what we're going to. great state of Wisconsin. We don't have to settle for this. We don't have to settle for becoming woke and broke like Minnesota and Illinois. We can be one of the great states of America. Wisconsin is a wonderful state with good people. They just need good leadership in Madison. And we're going to bring that common sense with results that will come from that common sense.

and provide the leadership to deliver it for the people of Wisconsin. They deserve it. We're going to unlock the potential. If we don't, we're done. If we don't, we are done. We are no different than Illinois. We are no different than Minnesota. We will just be a cold weather, California. If we don't do this, we are done. I love the new ad, by the way. It's brilliant. There's also merch associated with that ad. You betcha. Tom, it was great having you on the program. You betcha. We do have to take a break. People need to go look up Francesca Hong and you need to look up Sarah Rodriguez and you need to look up Mandela Barnes. And again, if you know someone, if you've met someone and they don't know what's going on, I don't know who the candidates are. Tell them. Find out if everybody knows about the 400-year property tax increase. Find out if everybody knows how farmland is being hoovered up with non-disclosure agreements. So nobody knows until it's too late so that solar panels and data centers can be installed in Wisconsin while we foot the freight for it all. Find out if everybody understands that we have had a 47% increase in our utility bills. If they don't know, then tell them. We got to take a quick break. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. And I want to, I'm not letting go of the SPLC story because the media wants it to die. And this story is so much bigger, as I talked about earlier on my program today, it's so much bigger than just the 11 account indictment. that the DOJ put forward a couple of days ago. I have Reverend Jim Harden. He is the CEO of a pro-life pregnancy center called Compass Care. Compass Care has been the target of fire bombings. Compass Care was the target of attacks of fire bombings because Compass Care was one of the pro-life pregnancy centers that the SPLC told the FBI to target. They essentially painted the target on the backs of all these pro-life crisis pregnancy centers by putting pro-life crisis pregnancy centers on their hate map. So Jim is on the program to talk about this. This is the untold story of the SPLC. It wasn't about just paying the clan to create clan things. It was about redefining Christian. pro-life organizations as domestic violence extremists and getting the government to go after them. Yes. What's surprising here is how deep does the outer hole really go? I mean, the SPLC had the ear formally, informally, you name it, with the FBI to such an extent that just simply creating a list and giving it to the FBI. even though it was not actionable evidence, was enough to get the FBI to leverage the full force of their law enforcement prowess to violate the constitutional rights of peaceful, pro-life people, even after we were victimized by bona fide domestic terrorists, firebombing one of our offices. So, you know, we had a whistleblower coming out of the FBI, Garrett O'Boyle, basically said he was taken off of bona fide sex crime investigations to look into...

Pro-life preying centers. We were listed as a threat tag, a terrorist threat tag. This is all Biden administration, FBI stuff, all goes back to the Southern Povery Law Center. And, you know, look, the question, I'm concerned, quite frankly, that all that we're getting right now is an indictment of fraud. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were exchanged, okay? Well, that's a drop in a bucket to what's been going on across this country in terms of what appears to be, according to Rich Higgins, which is Donald Trump's former irregular warfare expert out of the Pentagon, a Marxist insurgency trying to foment such a divide as to create a civil war. That's the level of activity that's happening here. Who's behind the dark money? Who's funding? the Southern Poverty Law Center. Obviously, they need to be shut down. But who are these people? Is it George Soros? Is it, you know, other elected government bad actors that hold of the same Marxist ideology? Who are these people? Find them, indict them, imprison them, seize their assets, and pay off a national debt with them. I mean, that's how pay off the national debt with them. That's how expensive this is. The dollars are laundered through Act Blue, you know, anonymously, people that are smurfed. So they've identified just not, you know, people that exist, but have no idea that their identities are being stolen to launder the resources. It's unbelievable how deep this rabbit hole goals essentially, essentially. SPLC itself. has over $800 million sitting in Caribbean bank accounts that have zero transparency requirements. So given that fraud and money laundering, so this is why I don't mind that they started with fraud and money laundering, because that may get them access to those accounts. I know that Scott Bessent to somebody who's aggressively looking into that. Also, there have been some changes in the 501 filing. So anonymous donors are no longer going to be able to be used. for their, I think it's called the 990 filing. But that aside, what does the SPLC do? Let's stay on what they did to you. They create a list and how do they devise this list? If you are Christian, they claim your anti-LGBQ, right? If you are Christian and anti-LGBQ, according to the SPLC, you are a hate group. So if you're a crisis pregnancy center and you're a Christian-based crisis pregnancy center, congratulations. You're a hate group. And then they put you on a map, just like they put Wisconsin Family Action, just like they put your organization. Then you go on a map and people target you because of that. But worse than that, it's the government. So they handed that list over to the FBI. They targeted you. They targeted Latin mass goers in Kenosha, Wisconsin. We have confirmation of that. that people who just went to the Latin Mass in Kenosha were followed, were investigated, you know, were probably wiretapped. Think about that kind of power that this disgusting organization had.

Without a doubt, they created a list. The list was embraced by the FBI, not just the FBI leadership, but the rank and file the FBI. The memo went out to field offices, not just in Washington, D.C., but also Milwaukee, Buffalo, you know, Portland, Oregon, all the way to San Francisco. This is, this was, this was a concerted effort to silence. Christians in the Christian voice in the public square and Christian activity when it comes to pro-life activity in pregnancy centers. This is, you know, they are intentionally attempting to silence the Christian voice because the Christian voice is what essentially undergirds the constitutional rule of law in our nation state system. That is, the primary... belief that we are endowed by our creator with certain unannual rights, the first of which, of course, the right upon which all of the rights are predicated is the right to life. Essentially takes power away from a Marxist-communist ideology. They have to eliminate these basic beliefs about the dignity of mankind in order to sweep away the Constitution and bring in communist or Islamist rule. You're exactly, exactly correct. This is beyond the abortion conversation. It is about the exceptionalism of humanity through the eyes of God, which is that undergirds our Constitution. We're special, not because of our government. We're special in our Constitution because these rights were inalienable rights were endowed by our creator. That ain't the government. And so you have to do that. That is how you get. to saying the state should seize control of children and trans them against their parents' wishes. Or there is no such thing as parental authority. Or we'll cover your abortion, but we're not going to cover your pregnancy. And we're not going to help you out if you want to go and want to go get help from a crisis pregnancy center. And it goes like this. Utilitarianism necessarily emanates out first from an attack on the exceptionalism of human beings in the eyes of God. Once you're there, you're off to the races. You are China, where populations of people can be used solely for their utility and have no intrinsic value. Exactly. And they piggyback off of Christian moral terminology. Things like equality and fairness and they have feigned moral outrage and saying, well, these pro-life people are infringing on your right to abortion, your reproductive rights. They want to force you to become a permanent socioeconomic underclass. They are the enslavers. This is classic Marxist. you know, propaganda that's designed to foment a revolution of the, you know, and create these classes of people, the elite against the oppressed. And, and it's just, it's just the Southern Poverty Law Center was doing this in spades. They were, they were, they had perfected it.

And they were, in fact, what we're realizing is that the violence from the left, obviously was from the left, but they're also behind violence ostensibly from the right. And we've been saying this for years. Pro-lifers are not violent. We're the only ones out there saying, look, we should protect all people equally. You know, it is not the job of the purview of the government. to identify any class of person to disqualify them from protection of the law. It's the purview of the government to protect all people equally without partiality. And the sovereign poverty law center was essentially targeting anybody who's courageous enough to stick their head up above the fray and say, wait a second, should we protect all people? You know, and even you're on the map. Even, and by the way, my friend Scarlett Johnson, Moms for Liberty, who's like the nicest person you'll ever meet. She's on the map. She's actually specifically called out by name here in Wisconsin. Ozaukee County, Moms for Liberty. You can go to the SPLC hate map. But beyond the map was the list to the FBI. This wasn't just the hate map. The hate map is there to get the crazy person or the, or the Antifa people, which in your case, I think it was Antifa people in Wisconsin Family Action. It certainly seemed to be driven by an Antifa affiliated group. But so it's beyond that. It's now taking, let's say, Latin Mass Catholics. or crisis pregnancy center people, or folks who are peacefully praying rosaries in front of pro-life in front of Planned Parenthood. And it says to the FBI, and by the way, the SPLC had 11 high-level meetings with the Biden administration, 11. They work directly with the DOJ. They work directly with the FBI to get law enforcement action surveilling, looking for ways to prosecute. That list. That's the thing about what the list is worse than the hate map because it included more targets and all of the targets are sensibly just under the umbrella, conservative. How were they able to insinuate themselves into that level of government power? It says to me that the indictments for fraud need to be taken into consideration, certainly, but more than that. You have to take a look at the FBI. You have to take a look at the deal of date. You can't just say, hey, Christopher, you're out of a job. We're going to bring in Kash Patel. It goes much, much deeper than that. How many of these FBI agents were involved? How many of them are Antifa Marxist sympathizers? We're, you know, look, this is, this is a huge deal. And like you mentioned earlier, you know, the mainstream media wants us to go away. When is the last time you, have you heard any Democrat politicians say anything about this? I think they're all scared of death that people are going to start taking this seriously. The only thing they're saying is that.

All they were doing was just investigating these hate groups. That's the best they've got. Is this inane non sequitur claiming that they're just like undercover police officers? No, they're not. They were paying Nazis to create stunts that would be violent that they could then use to justify the Biden administration going after Reverend Jim Hardin and Compass Care Crisis Pregnancy Center or the very nice people at Wisconsin Family Action. Or the incredible and decent and humane person, Scarlett Johnson at Moms for Liberty. So they're trying to excuse it so we don't go deeper. We just found out as well how deeply embedded in the curriculum of the K-12 public school system they are and how embedded in the corporate boardrooms of America they are. through likely rules at the SEC that were influenced by the SPLC. So the rules at the Securities Exchange Commission that were influenced by the Southern Poverty Law Center. It's so, it's so vast. It's like acorn. That's what it reminds me of that it's just deeper than people think it is. Yes, and my sense is, given the fact that they picked up on all these left-wing causes and they have the same kind of Marxist ideology as Antifa, that their goal is the same. Their goal is to dismantle and destroy the constitutional rule of law under color of law. I mean, we don't, we shouldn't have to countenance this as citizens of America. And to see that our bureaucracies at the upper echelons of federal government are infiltrated to a significant extent by these people and their policies that it's beyond the pale. Someone somehow, look, President Trump and his administration, it's not going to be enough. We have to have essentially a movement. to clean house and bring us back into alignment with our Judeo Christian heritage that is the only basis for constitutional rule of law with a free market. Every attorney general in the country should be investigating SPLC. There should be RICO investigations of SPLC beyond what we just saw. And hopefully this is just the beginning. Reverend Jim Hardin, where can people learn more about Compass Care? You guys have a fantastic reputation. I'd love it if people could find you, maybe make a donation or two. Oh, thank you very much. Well, they can go to compasscarecommunity.com. It's compass carecommunity.com. If they want to make a donation, they can go to compasscarewalk.com. Awesome. Jim Harden, Reverend Jim Hardin, thank you so much for joining me on the program today. Thank you, Vicki. Be well. We'll be right back. That is going to do it for me on the program. I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend. Coming up on Monday's show, we're going to talk about a problem no one ever talks about. Grade inflation. In Wisconsin, there is significant grade inflation. Your kids A doesn't mean what you think it means. Have a great weekend. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenome. Batman is a rising star.

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