Tony Katz and the Morning News Full Show 4-20-26

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35 nations joined us in condemning Iran's attacks on ports, airports, civilian infrastructure, even neighborhoods. That's great, but who controls the strait, sir? That's Ambassador Mike Walls, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., who controls the strait? And if whoever you're negotiating with is working independently of the IRGC or the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is working independently of whomever you're negotiating with, well, that's going to mean that this is all for naught. You're going to have to punch somebody directly in the nose. It's what it all means. We will get into it, of course, Indianapolis. Mourning the loss of Bob Kavoyan of Bob and Tom at the age of 75. The news coming out on Friday. We will discuss more of that as well. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Right now, your local Toyota dealer has great deals available on some of the most reliable trucks on the market, like the off-road ready to coma, rugged full-sized tundra, and legendary forerunner, each with the space, tech, and features to handle it all, from the work site to the trails. It means driving for less, with efficient hybrid options available, extending your overall driving range and delivering great MPGs, meaning bigger savings at the pump without sacrificing power. And it means trading for more. The Tacoma and Tundra are ranked number one and number two in resale value over all vehicles, according to Kelly Boo Book, which can mean thousands more than average right back in your pocket when it's time to trade in. That's Toyota affordability. Buy smart, drive for less, and trade for more. Shop Toyota.com or your local dealer for deals and details. Vehicles projected resale value is specific to the 2026 model year. For more information, visit Kelly Blue Books, KB.com. Toyota brand average resale value is 53% versus the average vehicle at 45%. Toyota, let's go places. So who controls the Strait of Hormuz? Well, if you believe it is the Iranians, then who are we negotiating with? Or with whom are we negotiating? Yeah, that's the, that's the more proper English. Tony Katz, 93, WIBC, good morning. Good to be with you. If you believe it is whatever group of people were negotiating with, why would they shut it down knowing that would only keep negotiations from taking place? And what in the world could you negotiate? The only thing the Iranians could think about negotiating is how who gets to live and who doesn't. Because that's all that's left. There is no command and control that exists amongst the Iranian people. I'm sorry, amongst the regime. Now, there are reports that the Iranian people are getting already gearing up to take back their country. I haven't seen strong moves on it yet, aggressive moves in multiple places on it yet, but let's stick to the straight right now.

We know that an Iranian flagged ship was taken by the United States hit this, this cargo ship that was trying to bypass the naval blockade. You had the USS, is it pronounced the Spruance? S-P-R-U-A-N-C-E? A missile destroyer from the U.S. intercepting the ship in the Gulf of Oman, giving them fair warning to stop. The Iranian crew did not listen, so we stopped them. As described by President Trump, the Iranian crew refused to listen, so our Navy ships stopped them right in their tracks by blowing a hole in their engine room. The Iranians call it maritime piracy. I don't care what the Iranians call anything. Doesn't matter what this regime says at all. The question now remains, what will happen as a deal is negotiated? We've already asked ourselves, whom are we negotiating with? We don't actually know. Who believes that a negotiation can work? Absolutely no one. No one believes that a negotiation can work. No one, no one, no one of a rational mind. So what happens? Where are we? Because this is clearly now, we're all saying this is all about oil. The oil prices had gone down tremendously. Right now they're up $5, $89 on the West Texas crude. That's the barrel price and $94.50 on the Brent crude. So now we're at least, we're admitting that this was a war for oil, which is fine. You go right ahead and scream war for oil. That's the subject here. Allow me to connect a couple of dots if I can. First, taking out a terrorist regime is always good. Ending a terrorist nation's nuclear ambitions is always good. And so we're clear there were nuclear ambitions. Always, always, always. And the people who said no, Barack Obama and the Obama bros of Ben Rose and Tommy Vito and all those fools who thought the joint comprehensive plan of action was valuable. This was 60 minutes last night. There's no doubt that the combination of the strikes in June of last year and the ongoing war have seriously set back Iran's capabilities. But the remaining capabilities are substantial. You can't bomb away their knowledge. UN inspectors believe Iran has close to 1,000 pounds of uranium enriched to 60%, nearly ready to be used in a nuclear weapon. So, I guess it wasn't the Israelis leading us to war. leading Donald Trump. Oh, he's not in charge. He works for the Israelis. If you follow the influencer class, you can't actually get a full and complete story. You just can't. They don't want it. They want this. And what they want is pretty ugly. Pretty bigoted, pretty hateful, pretty shallow, and most importantly, incredibly ignorant. It is what it is, what it is.

That's the Iranian regime that we're up against. There's no one to negotiate with. So taking them out is the right move. 47 years in the making, it's the right move. But now, how does it play out? Because what we seem to have done is recognize that there's a big oil play in here. Let's go over the oil play for a moment. Ask ourselves what it is we're looking at. because we saw that a lot of this was about China. We've discussed it from the beginning. I almost feel like I said it like Trump right there, the China. Did I say it like Trump? China. Now it's like one of those things you say the word so often it loses all meaning. That's not going to be good. Follow me. We talked about Venezuela and the taking out of Maduro. Now you've got Elsie Rodriguez, who is a Maduro loyalist. Maybe she's realized that you can't actually do that. We now have the stories that, you know, life in Venezuela is so much better than it was. Four months ago, people, I think it was the economist, was writing that what Trump didn't Venezuela was disgusting and awful, it's going to destroy the country. Now Venezuela is doing better. Shocking, I tell you. But it was Venezuela through the dark fleets, also known as ghost ships. The oil was getting to China. It would go on Russian tankers. It would then be offloaded to Chinese tankers. It would then go to China. They were getting their oil that way. They were getting their oil from Iran. Now, Iran doesn't necessarily have all the world's oil reserves. And we're talking about oil that goes through the strait of Hormuz as opposed to specifically Iranian oil that goes through. But when you're getting your oil from Iran via sanctions, you're paying less for the oil. Well, that's a boon to China because they're paying less and they're a very thirsty nation building all the absolute crap products that we sadly buy. Well, you've now cut off these two places. You've cut off a tremendous energy flow to the Chinese. They now have to buy their goods on the open market, our market. They're paying more. So this is costing them tremendously. Spectacular. But why would you want this? Why would you want China now to be part of this? Now you've got a supply and demand conversation. You only have so much supply. You have more demand. The price would go up. We sit here in Indiana. And we fight over data centers. There's yelling and screaming and nonsense and garbage over data centers, constantly and consistently. The mob mentality against data centers is embarrassing. It's happening from Democrats. It's happening from Republicans. It's ridiculous. But we can discuss that data centers take a lot of energy. They take a lot of energy. That energy has to be created somehow because the data centers are not going to stop. They're only going to grow. Is it not worth noting that China has data centers too?

that China has the desire to grow AI as well. Their AI is not as good as the things that we create and some other nations create. And certainly when we take a look at things that groups like Anthropic are trying to put out there, it's flat out scary. But these data centers take energy. Lots and lots of energy. That's why we're discussing SMR, small modular reactors, nuclear, to be able to handle the load. Well, some places can't do this right away. So they need the energy they can get. The hit on Venezuela and taking out Maduro, the taking out of Iran as we have, doesn't this keep China from being able to have the energy needed to really have all of the data centers necessary so they can build out AI giving us the advantage? Now, that's not really 40 chess. That's really checkers. All you had to do is think about it. Keeping China away from the oil is extremely important. Taking out a terrorist regime trying to get nuclear weapons and at 60% enrichment is very important. And we just did both. Tell the people opposed to this war, they don't know what the hell they're talking about. This should have happened years ago. And it's right that it's happening now. Now, back to who controls the straight. Ah, I don't have an answer. Is the IRGC working alone? Are they working rogue? If so, you're going to have to take them out. The question is how? Is this the people we're negotiating with trying for a tougher negotiating stance? They don't get to have a tougher negotiating stance. They lost. In either case, negotiations will not work. So what in the world are we negotiating? Let me know your thoughts. Let me know on the TwitterX at Tonycats or send me an email at Tonyatts.com. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on RAV4, Grand Highlander, Camry, and Corolla with the features and style you deserve. It means driving for less with hybrid and plug-in hybrid options across the lineup, delivering great MPGs. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your car will hold its value for years to come. Shopped Toyota.com to find out more. Toyota, let's go places. Bob Cavowian passed away at the age of 75, and I swear to you it wasn't until this weekend that I learned I have always been pronouncing his last name wrong, which is one heck of a joke. Tony Katz. 93 WIBC, good morning. Good to be with you. Um, I, I swear to you. I, it's not that his last name ever came up often for me. His last name didn't come up in the only time I met him and we had lunch, me, him and his wife was a wonderful woman. Uh, Becky. Um, we weren't friends and we didn't hang out and.

There was no zero animosity. There's never been any animosity ever. I'm only upset that I only had a year of going head to head with Bob and Tom. Bob retired in 2015. And a move at the time that I thought was just kind of amazing, you know, going out at the, at the height of your powers. I mean, very few people get the opportunity to choose that kind of thing. And then, you know, he just went about living his life. And they were doing the Junebug journeys and, and travel and good on, good on him, good on them and smart. And, you know, the more I do this show and the more I spend time in this career, the more I understand it. But I swear to you, I did not know. I'd never heard it in clips or anything else. It just never came to be. It's convoyant. And, uh, Some people, as I posted about it, thought that my pronunciation was the story. It certainly wasn't. It was a story of what this show, Bob and Tom, meant to Indianapolis and to Indiana. The strength of it, the power of it, the connectivity of it. And how infectious Bob was. That's the story. The story of Bob and Tom as very much on this subject, the outsider looking in, is that it belonged to you. It was yours. It was Hoosier. It was Indiana. You're the ones who accepted these guys. I think they had come down from Michigan and accepted them in to your life. And they made this home. And it's still home. The show continued as Bob retired and Tom Griswold and that entire team continues to operate. I'm amazed by it. They've got like 10 or 11 people on air. I've got producer Carl. But the impact is massive and the loss is tremendous in the loss of Bob Cavoion. I have said this about. Bobby Knight. I said this about IU winning a national championship in football. There are some things that I can appreciate, but I'm never going to fully understand. It's a dozen years that I'm here. And for some people, they still want to call me a carpetbagger. Well, some people lead miserable, terrible lives. I can't help them. But there are some things I'm never, ever, ever going to understand the way you do. And I really do appreciate that. And I think Bob and Tom is one of those things. I think that Bob Kavoyan is going to be one of those things, that I can see it from here and go through the history and say, that is amazing stuff. And the musical love, especially the love of the Beatles and musical acts and artists that he helped and supported. I could see it from here and I could take a look at Nigel's collection of the Bob and Tom CDs and I can see it from here and I can listen to it. I'm never going to quite fully get it. And I'm okay with that. Because to have grown up with it is very, very different. To have it as a part of just a nomenclature.

A language to yourself. Well, good. I hope it's nothing but good stories and good memories of people have shared things now about Bob and Bob and Tom all over social media and all over my feeds and hopefully with each other. Every thought in the world to Becky and to their family, to Tom Griswold and the entire team over at Bob and Tom. Everyone here, WIBC, is thinking about you and cares about you and is sorry for the loss. And for everyone in Indiana who got a laugh from those guys, good. Glad you did. And go Dodgers. Tony Katz, 93 WIBC, good morning. Turns out people like to touch things. What? Well, it's true. They do. Tony Katz, 93, WIBC, good morning. Good to be with you. It was a story over at Fox, and it was an interview with these two people who owned something called Night Owl. And it's a video store. Yes, like a blockbuster. It's a video store and they do VHS and they do Blu-ray and laser discs. And it turns out that Gen Z is very interested in these things and they're buying old VCRs and they're buying old DVD players. And the question is why? And the answer is because people want to actually touch the thing they own. They want a connection to something. And the digital world for all its convenience doesn't give actual connection. And I'm like, that's very, very cool. The question is, is that very, very true? I've come back with the answer of, yeah, I think that's actually extremely true. that people do want that part of the reasons people do events i i do events and let me tell you i was supposed to make an announcement last week of this event and then uh location did not come through and it was very very uh frustrating I'm going to leave it right there. Very, very, very frustrating indeed. Outrageously, stupidly frustrating. But now we're working on another location. And hopefully I can get that locked down this week. Man, it'll be tight. But I have faith that we can all have ourselves a lot of cake together. I've said too much. We'll get into it. But it's people want connection. They want to be with others. They want to be in the moment of something. It's like the difference between live theater and a movie.

Live theater requires your attention. A movie is passive, and now you can just hit pause and do whatever. And, you know, you don't even have to hit pause. You just, you know, we're watching it on your phone anyway and just take it right into the bathroom with you like you're Matt Bear. You know Matt Bear is a guy who watches movies in the bathroom, right? Oh, that's just, that is just fact. But it's, it's true. People want connections. And so this is a really interesting corollary to that. that they want to actually know what it is they own. They want to be able to grab it off the shelf. They want to be able to hold it in their hand. I happen to like that. I happen to think that provides a lot of faith for the future. Not providing a lot of faith to the future. Downtown Indianapolis, as Max Lewis reports from Fox 59, You had two shot at White Castle, shots fired at the Hilton Hotel, shots fired a monument circle, two teens arrested, and a person shot at Illinois North Street and then walked into a local hospital. And according to Max Lewis, this happened in a three-hour window. Now, I will tell you that I had one of the... Stranger experiences of my life because I learned something in Indianapolis this weekend. I... Was not near any of those things. No, nothing like that. Although this is a great example of how still we have a tremendous amount of work to do in Indianapolis. And don't ask Joe Hogsett to keep anybody safe. He is not responsible for national trends of crime going downward. He is responsible for Indianapolis where he has done nothing that is responsible. But I was out. With Fingers Malloy and some friends, and we hit a cigar lounge down in Greenwood, a CNC lounge, which used to be professional smoke. Chuck, lovely people over there and had a cigar. And then we... Kept going. I wanted to try another place I had not been to in Plainfield called Villa Havana and had a cigar there. A large humidore. It was a very cool spot. And then I'm driving home with a couple friends, not fingers, fingers took a different car. And someone says, hey, you ever been to La Bamba? And I'm like, I'm sorry, what? Have you ever been to La Bamba?

The song? No, no, no. The burritos as big as your head place. And then I learned that if you went to IU or you went to Ball State or a bunch of other places, the bars would close and everyone would go to the Bamba and there'd be like 60 people online and you'd get these burritos as large as your head. So there I was on like, on Lafayette, I don't even know what time it was. Friday night, I'm eating burritos. By the way, big as your head. Also, not bad. And certainly if you were drunk, that's the greatest food you ever ate in your entire life. These two guys were having flashbacks to their youth. So I don't know if you ever stood in that line, but if you did, I have now experienced La Bamba culture. Not a bad culture at all. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on Tacoma, Tundra, and Forerunner with the space and features for any adventure. It means driving for less, with available hybrid options, delivering great MPGs without sacrificing power. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your truck will hold its value for years to come. Shop Toyota.com to find out more. Toyota, let's go places. So we're getting ready for an NFL draft. We're already into the NBA playoffs, which... If the magic are beating the pistons, is this the best we can do? No, just me? Tony Katz, 93 WIBC. Good morning. JMV joins us right now. He has the Voice of Sports in Indiana, 935-1075, the fan. The start of these playoffs, all the play-ins are done. What are we seeing? What should we be looking at? Well, hey, Tony, good morning to you, brought you by L.D. Smith, Plumbing, the best in plumbing at 317-927-1-186. The surprise we saw yesterday was Detroit, although I don't think in the East that was a lot of a surprise because there are a lot of non-believers in the Detroit Pistons. However, Orlando just looked like a team, and I don't know the importance of this at all. I guess sometimes whenever a team wins like this, Tony, I think it's viewed as an important piece, and then when they don't, it is. Orlando looked like a team that got off to like a two-game start in that play-in yesterday against the Pistons, and the Pistons looked like a team at home that sat around and become a little bit fat and sassy about being, you know, predicted to go to the Easter conference finals. And Orlando jumped out and got a 1-0. I wouldn't think that this is going to last. But it was interesting, and I know a lot of people do not like the Detroit Pistons around here. So I think that stands out to me. Boston looks really good so far. That's no surprise. And Victor Wambayama, and the Spurs got off to a tremendous start last night, 35 in his playoff debut. And Oklahoma City is probably going to end up being Tony, the team that repeats. Unfortunately, that'll be tough to watch for Pacer fans if you're paying attention.

They got off to a nice start as well. Maybe the best series out west, Denver and Minnesota in round number one. That's going to be worthy of watching. But, yeah, all and all, off to a nice start if you're able to watch it or figure out where it is located, if it's Paramount or if it's ESPN or if it's, what was the other one? Yeah, no one's going to work that hard on it, man. Just they're just going to listen to you and they, okay, that happened. Great. Can this season please, for the love of all things, good, decent and wholly be over? Yeah, hey, I completely understand. It's stuff around here, Tony, because you think about when we were last year, we were kind of soaking up and getting started on what was just an epic run. That's just it. I don't want to think about that. I don't want that. What is wrong with you? And the masochist. Massacist, I tell you. Well, I love who for one, but I do, I like remembering last year. I don't like remembering how it ended, but man, that two-month run was fun as hell, Tony, and that's something, that's something I'll remember forever around here. It was, it was awesome, and especially the way some of those games were won, Tyrese Halliburton, and, you know, winning on the road. It was just, it was a wonderful time, and I do like to remember that all the way up until that point in game number seven in June in OKC. The man is chock full of nostalgia. That's JMV from 93-5-1075. The fan, let's take it over to the NFL draft, which is quickly, quickly approaching. We have no number one picks. We gave them up for sauce. Now the question is, what are we looking at? Who are we targeting? And are there any surprises being even hinted at by Ballard & Co? No, you do not be surprised. They're likely to me, Tony. They're 47. That's where they occupy space right now at day number two of the draft. So 47 is probably, if they end up selecting there, it is target territory of a linebacker. I would guess they're going to go linebacker or they're going to go edge rush if somebody is there initially. So let's just say, for example, what are you looking at? Anthony Hill Jr. Out of Texas is a guy that I think could end up being a target. If you've looked at their linebacking situation, I think you and I are on the depth chart. That's how thin that thing is right now. So that's an obvious need. Jake Golday out of Cincinnati is another guy that has been mentioned as well. Ed's rushing gets a little bit more thin, but here's what's going to end up happening. They're going to end up trading 47 down to try to gather some more picks. Here's the other point that should be made out of this draft, Tony, is that we're looking at for the Colts. They're going to be drafting guys that are probably going to get big-time rotational reps and get them early. You're going to have to lean on that. And that's just another aspect of the crossing your fingers and hoping season that does lie in wait because there are so much of it, including this draft. All because they went all in at the trade deadline a year ago with Sauce Gardner. That's kind of a bed that they made, and they're soaking it up right now. But those are some names and positions. I feel that they're going to address, but I bet you they trade down from 47 just to try to secure some more selections in the draft coming up at the end of this week. Just really quick. Sorry, my mic had a little bit of a problem. Kenny Moore wants out.

I think it's a mutual thing, but yeah, I would start with Kenny Moore. Here it is. Kenny Moore would like to go someplace else to see maybe if he'd have more of a chance to play because he didn't really, he likes it here. He and the Lou Aneromo system didn't work out for him and his clock is ticking right now. So. I think he wants out in the best, most amicable, nicest Kenny Moore the second way possible, Tony. Does that make sense to you at all? Yes. Yeah, he wants to go out, but he wants to go out by being a nice guy. He's not shaking his fist at the world and said, I want out of here because this place stinks. But last year wasn't great for him production-wise. It didn't look like that he really fit Lou Anuromo system. And, of course, he shouldn't because he's not from Cincinnati. He hadn't played for Lou Aramomo before. And I think that's part of the prerequisite here, it seems, sometimes. But no, it's kind of a mutual thing. And we'll see if they find a spot. And we'll see if they find a spot for Anthony Richardson, too, because... You know, there's another asset that they have that would like to go someplace else to see if he can get some time. And simply put for Anthony Richardson, they're going to wait for the Colts, other teams are in this case, for the Colts to cut him loose. You don't want to give up any assets for something that the team that are looking to trade him, they don't want him in the first place. That is JMV, the Voice of Sports in Indiana, 93-107-5 of the fan. I appreciate you, man. Tony Katz, 93WIBC. Good morning. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on Tacoma, Tundra, and Forerunner, with the space and features for any adventure. It means driving for less, with available hybrid options, delivering great MPGs without sacrificing power. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your truck will hold its value for years to come. Shoptojota.com to find out more. Toyota, let's go places. Bob Cavoyan passed away at the age of 75 and you know him as the Bob of Bob and Tom. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. Good to be with you normally. This is where we do the popcorn moment. Brought to you by Boer. B-O-O-O-H-R. Boer Remodeling.com. If it's inside your four walls, you call a booer, your kitchen, your bathroom, your basement, whatever it is you're trying to make work. for your family, for your home. Boer are the people because, well, first of all, they're professionals over two decades taking care of Central Indiana. They've got the best materials, the most skilled craftsmen, people who have been part of the Boer world, again, for those decades, and they work with the brand names you know and trust. They deliver quality work on time, a service-oriented attitude focused on you, getting you the information you need so the stress is gone from your remodel, because that's like the biggest issue with any remodel. It's the...

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that each show, no matter what your approach was, whether you're going to try to do more music or you were going to do country or, you know, try to compete with them at comedy, which nobody could do. So it was almost a futile effort. So you really had to, you had to be a great radio station. And it went beyond. just morning drive now all the other day parts had to be better because you had to find your spot and you had to figure out a way to get around this this wonderful radio show that was just owning all the audience talking to matt hiblin the executive producer of w ibc my executive producer uh right here um what was it Was it that they were just that funny? It was just that unique? Or was it to us that, or to the people who grew up with it, that this was Indiana. This was from Indianapolis. This was, you know, as people would say it, this was ours. Yeah, definitely. And, you know, they certainly courted some controversy when they first got here. The show was definitely edgier than most radio had been here, and they really sort of up the ante there. But, yeah, I mean, they talked about local things. They got into local issues. And, you know, I remember when there was talk of that show going national, and there was a lot of concern among the fans. I mean, radio professionals were very interested in it as well, but there was a lot of concern among the fans. Are they going to lose their local flavor? Is it still going to be our show, or is it just going to turn into another national product? And I think that just kind of goes to show, you know, it talks about the ownership that we felt of that radio show that, you know, this was a dangerous thing that they were doing to our show, that they were going to try to take a national. And, you know, we sort of loved the idea because I think, you know, We don't necessarily look for validation outside the Midwest here. But I think any time, whether it's basketball or John Mellencamp or St. Elmo's or the Speedway, anything that comes from Indiana that is appreciated on a national scale, I think, you know, we do take some pride in that and some ownership in that. And that show was certainly something that falls into that category. And when it went national, we were happy for them, but at the same time, did feel like, oh my gosh, are we going to lose a little something here? Talking to Matt Hiblin, executive producer of WIBC, talking about the Bob and Tom show, Bob Caboian passing away at the age of 75, someone in the chat room saying that one thing they did bring to Indy was Carmel Housewife jokes. I don't, is this true? Is this accurate? Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I think, you know, that would be, that would have been one of their common targets. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but there was tons of stuff. And, you know, you mentioned Dave the King Wilson. And, you know, they had a huge cast of characters of people that supported that show and, you know, really talented people. And now that just added to the size and the scope of what they were able to do. And, you know, obviously Dave came over to IBC and did Afternoon Drive. And I worked with him for about a dozen years. And, you know, it was just all a part of that.

legacy of that show that, you know, that Dave was able to step out from that cast and create a local, you know, another local show for Indianapolis and just, you know, a lot of talent in that show. And it was. It was just, you know, I told this a few times over the weekend. You know, you'd be at a stoplight. I remember driving to school and being at a stoplight, and they would do something funny, and you'd start laughing, and you'd look around, and literally everybody you could see was laughing. Everybody you could see was listening to the show, and they were all. you know, cracking up at the same thing. And then you'd get to school and you'd talk about what you heard. And then, you know, you'd get in your car after school and you'd be listening for the highlights on the way home because they would run highlights later. And that would be, you know, it was appointment listening. It was really amazing. Matt Heblin, executive producer, WIBC. I appreciate the, the thoughts. Bob Kavoyen. Gone at the age of 75. Every thought here at WIBC with Becky, the family, the whole team at Bob and Tom, Tom Gerswald, the entire team there. We're thinking about you. Today on the marketplace, sit on this as opposed to sit on it. That would be a happy days reference. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. Good to be with you during downtime, clearing my head, getting ready for what's next on the show. I find myself on Facebook Marketplace. Cool stuff, odd stuff, weird stuff, strange stuff. All the stuff is there on the marketplace I bought. I've sold. I've done it all. The whole marketplace segment brought to you by Indianaunclaimed.gov. It's your cash. Go get it. Indianaunclaimed.gov fast, easy, free to use. Your money is waiting for you. The Attorney General has it. Don't let the Attorney General have your money. Take your money. It's yours. Go to Indianaunclaimed.org or text my name Tony. That's Tony, T-O-N-Y, to 46220. Get that done immediately. Hey, Matt Bear. Hi, Tony. Have you been looking for a place to sit down? All the time. All the time because, you know, often from all that oatmeal, it makes you tired. You gotta get up quick. That's what I'm saying. Tired and sleepy Matt. Yeah, you sit down. You're getting back up fast. Let me tell you. Oh, yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Eight bowls of oatmeal a night, Matt Bear does. Eight bowls of oatmeal a night and he eats it cold. Regularity, baby. Yeah, well. It's a regular something. This is on the Facebook marketplace, Matt Amy Coney Barrett. It's called the mother-in-law chair. Oh, okay. What do we have that? That Tony Katz. All right.

yeah what fresh hell is this right so so what we're looking hold on i just want everyone to know if they go to follow me on twitter x tony cats we have it posted there right now and then we'll have it up at w ibc.com do you want to explain what you're looking at there map yeah i'd love to it looks like a couple of butt cheeks with a smiley face um it's very anatomical maybe to the mail some sorts if he kind of It's on a chair. It's on the seat of a chair. You sit down, except the chair is smiling at you as you sit on it. I'm going to take a stab at this because, Matt, you're, you paint a picture with words. Yeah. Is it not anatomically to the mail? That picture was painted by Ray Charles, but you paint a picture. with words georgia on my oh i'm gonna get emails you know what you know what don't don't i just email everyone's laughing at that uh this is a metal chair where the it's blue but the base of the chair where you sit the seat of the chair is cut out to look like a woman's face like grandma's face maybe your mother-in-laws but the way it is done it looks like a giant butt and the face is right there in the middle of the butt and and you've got like the like the loopiness of the cheeks which now takes a double entendre meaning because it's cheeks or its cheeks and and basically someone is like sitting on like sitting on their mother-in-law i don't understand the rest of it here yeah um they found this in a barn 12 years ago and they want you to know it's a funny chair Set on your mother-in-law is a great website, by the way. Right. I'm looking at this. Don't go to it. Don't go to it work. Don't you dare. Yeah, that'll at least get you a week off. I'm looking at this chair, and you didn't talk about the smile because she kind of has a smile like, I dare you. Yeah, and the red lips are pursed. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's something. I dare you to make this happen. Yeah. You know, you're right about that. You're right. That's a good description there. Finally, you're playing the game properly because the smile kind of like it's beckoning. It's like, huh? What's about to happen here? It's like that. I don't know. I guess that's a noise. Like it was a deep sea dolphin. Water straight out of the blowhole. Right? And there'd be some clicking going on. I don't want this in my house. This is a weird chair and they're selling it for $35. Yeah, why not? I can't think of anything you'd want this for other than no. Yeah, why not? I like. I like on Twitter, there's a guy by name of Bear's dad and all he wrote was giggedy, giggedy. I mean, look what it looks like, man. It looks a little bit like Quagmire. It really does. Oh, okay. I thought you meant to giggety into the reference of the. anatomy but okay oh no okay no i see what she's yeah yeah oh you think it's a giggedy uh anatomy reference yes yes i do um multiple multiple multiple angles on this show multiple uh i think you and are doing a different show that's what i think it's like a magic guy when you stare at it too close and pull your eyes back and all of a sudden

Oh, you think it's got to have like a 3D image, all of a sudden you're going to see a unicorn? Yeah, yeah. No, it's just, it looks like the male anatomy and I can't get away from that for some reason. Oh, yeah, you're doing it wrong. I mean, am I wrong? Am I hallucinating? Oh, go. You are, you are clearly wrong. Help me out. No, I'm going to end the whole segment right now. I'm going to help everybody out. That's what I'm going to do. Sometimes. Sometimes I just got no one to walk away and know when to run. See it for me the gambler. Later, I'm going to go to my roasters and get some good cornbread. It's there on the marketplace. Check it out for yourself. We've got a feeble-minded, trigger-happy president who plunged us into a war where no threat was present with no clear objectives and no exit plan. Well, Tim Walz says it. It has to be wrong. Tony Katz at 93 WIBC. Good morning. Good to be with you. And he is wrong. Of course he's wrong. If you don't think Iran was a threat, you're an unsurious person. If you think Israel dragged the United States into this war, you're an unsurious person. And that goes for everybody on my social media feed, especially on Facebook, where daily I am now called a traitor.

And it goes for the governor of Minnesota who oversaw fraud and did nothing about it. Tim Walz. What's interesting about this screed is that he did not deliver this on American soil. We need to call that what it is. That's fascism. Or at least it's fascist curious as they would be. He said that in Spain. Now, Spain has become radically progressive. And there's going to be a big question about their future in NATO. There's going to be a question about the future of NATO. And if NATO goes, can other alliances be formed? And I don't oppose alliances. I oppose the idea that there are nations that are very focused on not wanting to be normal. And we should also be clear that progressivism is the Democratic Party, that the socialism has taken hold, and the socialism is communism. They're just too cowardly to admit it. He's saying this in Spain, where they're having this, this conference, progressives rally in Barcelona.

Because the pressure being put on younger people, 14 to 17, 17 to 21, 21 to 29. And the pressure is certainly is more effective on girls than it is on boys because that's the way it is and the data is out there. And I'm not going to argue it. We have to deal with reality. Holy cow. Never mind that they've been able to poison a younger generation to think that terrorists should feel your sympathies, Allah Hamas and Gaza. But now it's going to be that America should not exist. Can't wait for them to, you know, just grow out of it. You're going to have to be a proactive part in helping in that. U.S. senators, U.S. governors traveling to Spain to be anti-American. Why are we allowing this? What is Toyota affordability? It all starts with buying smart, and your Toyota dealer has great deals available to qualified customers on reliable cars and SUVs, including the redesigned RAV-4, spacious Grand Highlander, sporty Camrys, and Corolla's. It means driving for less, with efficient hybrid and plug-in hybrid options available throughout the lineup, extending your overall driving range and delivering great MPGs, saving you money at the pump. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, and as the best resale value brand, according to Kelly Blue Book, your Toyota can be worth thousands more than average when it's time to trade in. That's Toyota affordability. Buy smart, drive for less, and trade for more. Shop Toyota.com or your local dealer for deals and details. Vehicles projected resale value is specific to the 2026 model year. For more information, visit Kelly BlueBookskb.com. Toyota brand average resale value is 53% versus the average vehicle at 45%. Toyota, let's go places. So it was a tsunami warning in Japan.

After a 7.5 earthquake hit off the coast, a series of tsunamis scheduled to hit. If they have not already, nothing was expected towards the United States. Who has control of the Strait of Hormuz is our question. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. Good to be with you. Well, the U.S. took control of Iranian cargo ship that refused to listen to orders to stop moving through the strait. The IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, wants to make the claim that they still have control of the strait. However, the more and more information that you see, the more and more information that you get, You have to question who actually is in charge. Because it certainly seems like that if we take a look at what happened with this tanker regarding India, this was John Carl. on ABC this week. Indian tankers, as it moved up trying to go through the straight. So this is Iranian oil that the Indian tanker just bought and they get up from Iran. From Iran. And they get told to turn around. So the tanker captain said, hey, what the heck? It's your oil that I just bought from you. So this was the last attempt. But you'll notice the track that it was on, John. So producer Carl has a theory. that this, your theory is that this was all just a setup? This was show. It was to show that the RGC saying we're in control when that tanker would have never gotten out of there because of the blockade. I think it's interesting that they were still able to buy Iranian oil. But if you believe that the IRGC is able to control things in the strait, then you understand that no negotiation is actually possible. With whom are we negotiating? I have absolutely no idea. But we still have those on the political left who want to believe that things with Iran were going well, that things were working regarding keeping them from getting a nuclear weapon. This has all been proven false. CBS News reporting on 60 Minutes that the uranium was 60% enriched. 90% enrichment gets you a nuclear weapon. If that isn't imminent, I don't know what is, but then again, I'm not interested in debating people who think imminent is after we got bombed. This whole idea that no threat to us is nonsense. The whole plan was to destabilize. The whole plan was to threaten. And they've already been killing Americans for 47 years. But the president can claim, hey, we're doing these negotiations. We're in these negotiations. All he chooses, there is no negotiating. There's only us winning and them losing. And the question is, when are we going to decide that that is officially the case?

At what moment are we going to say, you're done? Can't negotiate with people if they don't have control of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Can't negotiate with people if the IRGC runs independently. And you could argue that we have total control of the Strait of Hormuz all you wish. But oil prices went up a bunch because of it. They were down in the low 80s. We're seeing gas now at 350. Still want it much lower, but it's better than being 420. Oh, by the way, it is 420. Oh, that's funny. I'll have more on this. Keep it here. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. Let us dig in. To what is Iron Nation? Is this where Indiana should be spending its time? Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. We go Inside Indiana Business. Gary Dick joins us from inside Indiana business.com on the Twitter X at IIB before we get into that in your conversation with former Congressman Luke Messer. The death of Bob Kavoyen at the age of 75. We're talking about Bob and Tom. And the show that really, indie show, Indiana's show, Hoosier product from beginning to end. Your take on Bob and the legacy? It's a tremendous legacy, Tony. And I can remember. as a young, well, a younger reporter, cub reporter in this market back in the early 80s. And, I mean, Bob and Tom was, it was what you listen to. I mean, it was part of the fabric of Indianapolis, Central Indiana. Everybody listened to it. You talk about water cooler conversation. It was about what was said and the jokes on the Bob and Tom show. And it was Bob and Tom. certainly that drove it, but the incredible talent they had, they brought in around them as well that made it so important. And I think Bob's legacy, too, is that. He's a Hall of Fame broadcaster, but he was a Hall of Fame guy. And he cared about people. He was a nice guy. You know, I think he was a bit introverted. You know, he was, he didn't seek the spotlight necessarily. And he did so many things for so many people behind the scenes. So I think his legacy is going to be, hey, a great broadcaster, but also a really great guy who had an impact on Indianapolis in a big way. But how much of that show those days was about the fact that for Hoosiers, this is ours, right? This is our show. Yep. Yeah, no question about it. It was uniquely Hoosier. And listen, Bob and Tom, or at least I forget about it, they really pushed the envelope at that time on what you could say on radio. In fact, I remember there were some groups that really went after them, you know, trying to get them censored up by the FCC and all those kinds of things.

So it was a bit edgy at the time, but it was a Hoosier product, and it was something that folks took pride in. They took a lot of pride, I think, in terms of connecting with Hoosier institutions, like the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, like veterans organizations. They really connected in a sincere and really solid way. with the community as well. And I think that added to that situation. And the other thing, Tony, too, from a business standpoint, you know, they were really pioneers in the radio business in terms of syndication when they took this local show and proved that, hey, this local show with local talent could, in fact, go broader and go into the Midwest and into the nation, nationally, ultimately in dozens and dozens of stations around the country. So for all the things they did, that was one of them, too, is they were pioneers in an industry that's very competitive. Talking to Gary Dick of Inside Indiana Business.com on the TwitterX at IIB inside indiana business.com. Let's head to northern Indiana and talk about the Chicago Bears. There was a deadline there in Illinois about moves made to try and keep the bears there. They want to go from Soldier Field to a new stadium in Arlington Heights. We enter the picture and say, we're going to save you millions of dollars just by being us. We don't even have to do it. anything else where are we in this deal flow what is the thought of the bears coming to hammond Well, there was a photo, I would call it a photo op to an extent. In northwest Indiana, last Friday, Tony, Bears executives met with Mayor Tom McDermott from Hammond. They had a meeting in the Wolf Lake area, very close to the proposed stadium site. No details on what exactly was discussed at that. that meeting, but Bears president and CEO Kevin Warren was there. It also included the team owner, George McCasky. There was some videos and pictures of them exiting that meeting. So one would assume that conversation is continuing on the Indiana side. On the Illinois side, the Illinois legend, you mentioned the deadline that's out there. The Illinois legislature continues to mull a package that has been approved in committee, but yet to be approved by the full Illinois legislature. So I think the bears continue to say they expect to have a decision late spring, early summer, but no definitive word on which way it's going at this point. I think the bear or Illinois still has the upper hand, and I think ultimately they very well.

They end up staying in Illinois. But I think Indiana is in the game. And I think they put together a proposal from a cost of doing business standpoint. The bears have talked a lot about quote unquote tax certainty. And they would certainly have that more in Indiana than they would in Illinois. Before I let you go, let's. move over to this Iron Nation story, which is about the startup world and a connection to startups in Israel and bringing investments here. I have no issue with the bringing of investments, right? As I see it, as long you're not from a communist nation, we can at least start the conversation. But this involved a $15 million check. At least that's how I see it reported, $15 million from the state of Indiana to go out there and pursue these startups. And I don't understand why we're in that business at all. You spoke with Congressman Luke Messer, a former congressman who's a part of this coming together. What did you learn? Yeah, Luke Messer, the former congressman, as you say, Tony, is the partner, the Indiana partner, if you will, for this Iron Nation initiative. Started in Israel after the October attacks several years ago and is now spreading to this country. Indiana is the first of what could be multiple states involved in this. And the contention is that Indiana is making an investment, much as they would to attract a manufacturing plant with incentives or a tech company here in this country to connect with Israeli technology. It's quote-unquote startup nation. They have many, many startups that have come out of their innovation. Israel is known for innovation. So the thought being, the incentives that Indiana can be a... part of in this package, $30 million we should mention in private funding coming from the Israeli private sector as well is to get some of that innovation to locate here. I have no issue with wanting to try and attract the business. The real conversation here is about the check. You know, this goes back to elevate venture kinds of conversations. Is this the business of Indiana? We write a check and engage in a picking of winners and losers. And I've had disagreements with the elevate ventures guys about this directly. Nice people. Good people just we're asking the question of whether or not this should be our business. Is there any back, uh, pushback to this idea of we're spending $15 million on whom and for and, and this is of the good use of our dollars?

Yeah, there's certainly some pushback, and it's a legitimate conversation or debate to have. And I think at the heart of the debate is states like Indiana making decisions on incentives and what you can't offer to companies. Be they, and I think Governor Braun, and I sat down with him a week ago or so after this announcement, he talked about these being incentives or performance-based. incentives that would connect to this. And that's at the heart of debate. Do you offer incentives? Do you invest money to attract people to come here? And, you know, betting in a sense on the take that there's going to be, or on the comment, they're going to invest in this state and add jobs. So ultimately, you know, the proof of being in the pudding is to where this thing ends up and how many companies or are there companies that locate here? And is that ultimately a good investment? Gary Dick inside Indiana Business.com on the TwitterX at IIB. I appreciate taking the time to be with us. Matt Dow Futures are down 240 while NASDAQ futures are down 113. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. Good to be with you. We should note that the Dow futures are right now. I don't know where it closed on Friday. 49,000? 49,640. Is that where we were? So a lot of games have been made up from the 50,000 plus highs, still not back to where we were on the Dow. And right now you're seeing oil prices ticked back up because of the question of whether or not the straight is closed or open. West Texas crude at $88.37 a barrel Brent crude at $94.81. Let us see today what takes place. The Europeans are claiming they're going to send a team to help open the strait. That's like the British sending the HMS dragon only to find out, hey, it can't do anything. It has technical issues. But then again, Keir Starmer has absolutely ruined the UK. Not as much as the royal family. In the end, until they do something and say something to their people about what it is they stand for. They're going to lose everything. But we'll get into that on Tony Katz today at noon. Ten year treasury is at 4.264 right now. We have got gold. What is that spot price as we speak? Gold is at $4,800 an ounce silver at 79. So it has not jumped, has not made a move thinking that this would be inflationary pressure. At all, Bitcoin at 75,376. So I guess the plan was for United Airlines and American Airlines to have some kind of merger. There was an interest in doing this. And the American Airlines was like, nah. Now we don't. We are not interested in this. If you want to try and take us over, it's going to be hostile or you're going to have to write a much bigger check. You're going to have to write a much, much, much bigger trek in order to get us. Now, there's a couple of the things happening that I'll really get into on Tony Katz today. But I wanted to, just the rare moment of a Monday Thursday music moment, because we've discussed this morning the death of Bob Coboy.

Bob and Tom at the age of 75. I only met Bob once, lunch. Him, me, and his wife, Becky, who's really a lovely woman, and I've appreciated the exchanges that we've had over the years. I never did anything more than that. I've never met Tom. The amount of time I've spent talking about that show is, is slight, right? Competitors. And so I'm doing my thing and they're doing their thing. Never angry, never bitter, never anything, you know, we found the Bob and Tom drum, right? The bass drum head, and we talked about that on the marketplace. Don't pretend someone doesn't exist, but I never, I never fully reached out and said, hey, let's get together. Just. Not necessarily my wants and usually out of respect. Just that, you know, I don't know if that's the thing I should do. And I stay away from that. Trust me, I'm an awkward cat as it is. You have no idea. Some things are not easy for me. But to just to put the point on it, the legacy, the memory, the stories people tell. what that show meant to people, what Bob meant to people, the love of music and we should all wish to have a legacy like Bob Cavoian. We really should. I don't know if it will come. All you can do is ask yourself, what are you putting out into the world and what do you think will be remembered? But there's no doubt that remembered in the world of Bob was music. And his partner, Tom Griswold, host the Bob and Tom show. And through private channels and here on the show, every thought is with those guys, as they've had to do a heck of a show this morning. No part of that could have been easy. Maybe a lot of laughs in memories, but not easy. Tom mentioned in a story that the indie star put out that Bob had taken a turn for the worst on Thursday. And he passed while listening to his favorite Beatles song. The music moment is presented by Kill A Dent Removal. Kill A Dent Removal.com. I'll play you that song. It's from the Beatles. And according to Tom, his favorite song was Golden Slumbers. And according to Tom, Bob Kavoyan passed away as that song ended. I mean, that's just surreal. Turn up your speakers. Think of good people who made you laugh and people who made this city better. It's a good time to think of Bob Kavoyen. From the Beatles. Let's go. Say a prayer if you're a person who says a prayer. Have a thought if you're a person who has a thought. India is better because of Bob Kavoyan being here. I got this wrong?

Huh. Tony Katz 93 WIBC. Good morning. It's time to play America's favorite game. What the heck is that television theme song? Here is how we play our game. Producer Carl has picked a television theme song from yesteryear. I have to guess what that theme song is. Now, this is something I've gotten wrong in the past, and this is the day that I can redeem myself. I can get some hints from the chat room there, live streaming, YouTube.com slash WIBC, or I can phone a friend. I don't know how I got this wrong, but now I can't remember what it is. You know, it's a kind of thing where it sounds like what it sounds like, but the chairman's like, no, Tony, it's actually this. But first, I'll phone a friend. Let's just phone a friend and get this out of the way. Matt Bear, what is this television theme song? Tony, that's T.J. Hooker. Nice. But close because it is a cop show. No, it's not. I believe that Vic in the chat room is right. Producer Carl, is this the theme song to Cagney and Lacey? You made the same exact argument when you missed it the other time. I have no idea what this is. It's the practice. It's the practice. Okay. So I was wrong about the T.J. Hooker thing. It's not a cop show. It's a law show. Right. Wait, was William Shatner in the practice? I don't think so. Maybe his toupee was. Well, oh, no. Shatner was in Boston legal. By the way, William Shatner does not wear a toupee. I would never say that about the man. You shouldn't either. Oh, that's his real hair, right? William Shatner is a handsome, virile man. And if you are not careful, he will impregnate your wife. Oh, no. Okay. I'm going to be quiet now. He will beam himself right up. That's what, that's what he'll do. What? Something I said. Is there a problem? On Tony Katz today at noon. I'm telling you right now, uh, if, uh, we have to ask who controls the Strait of Hormuz. Who's in charge? Because that will then tell us what the value is of a negotiation, which I put forth to you has no value whatsoever. We're negotiating with the right people. We're not negotiating with the right people. There are no right people. This is the argument. There are no right people. If you... still have an IRGC that is engaged in warfare outside of what's happening with negotiations. There are no right people. And we're going to break that down even further. And then there was this. I want you to keep an eye on what's going on in California with this run for governor. And they have this similar called a jungle primary.

So what the jungle primary does is that everybody runs in the same primary, regardless of your party, top two vote getters then move on to the general election. If they're from the same party, so be it. And they created the jungle primary to keep Republicans out. We've got more Democrats than Republicans. We can put two Democrats in the in the top two positions. Republicans will never be governor again. It was a power play. Except this year, the top two vote getters right now are Republicans, Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco. They took out Eric Swalwell because they wanted to win this governor's race. That's why they were willing to sacrifice him. They knew he was a bad guy and an abusive guy and an explosive guy and all these things. They didn't care. They weren't going to do anything about it as long as he was getting them somewhere. But if he was going to be a prom and be in the way, well, then get rid of him. That's what happened. It was a planned effort to remove Eric Swalwell. That's why it only took a week. But the top two right now are Republicans. So Congressman Progressive Robert Garcia writes in 2008, Californians should get rid of the jungle primary. It has not worked out as intended, and it's time to get back to real primaries. As intended. Meaning it's no longer keeping out Republicans, so we have to change the system. It's an important lesson for Indiana Republicans to learn. Democrats will change primary systems to keep you out. Democrats are admitting that if they get power, they want to torture Donald Trump, and they want to put you on trial. They're going to pack the court, change systems to make it an effort to never get a Republican to win again. And you in Indiana won't redistrict.

fight me on it. I'm right. You're wrong. There are times I've been wrong before. It's not today, kitten. Look what they're willing to do and you won't even engage a political process. The pseudo intellectualism of that argument is too great to be believed. Do you not understand what we're up against? Or do you actually think you can outnice them? Because that's cute. And maybe all these primary challenges that we're seeing because of redistricting is just a first step. Although I do wish the president and the people engaged in the influencer class were better at this. If they would only make a phone call, gosh, you could save yourself a lot of heartache. But oh yeah, there are some people who do need to go. And there's some lessons that need to be learned. We'll get into that on Tony Katz today at noon. Go Dodgers. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on Tacoma, Tundra, and Forerunner with the space and features for any adventure. It means driving for less, with available hybrid options, delivering great MPGs without sacrificing power. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your truck will hold its value for years to come. Shop Toyota.com to find out more. Toyota. Let's go places.