Episode #2072- Hammer and Nigel Full Show

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Rob Kendall, a residential redistricting expert, and he's at his residence, actually, the Western Command Center of Kendall, Inc. Rob Kendall, were you surprised by this news that the House confirmed that they will start their session on December 1st? And now the Senate has folded and said they will start on December 8th. And I think that is the takeaway from everybody is that these guys and girls don't care about you at all. I think of all the things that could have moved them to start early. Property taxes, utility bills, the mass corruption and conflicts of interest with the IEDC, gas taxes, all of these things. No. It's this redistricting, and they're just pretty honest about it now. They know they're probably going to get beat in the midterm, and they need to try to steal as many seats as they possibly can. And it looks like now they're going to fold and do it. Okay. So the House came out and said they're going to go on December 1st. And then just a little while later, the Senate came out and said December 8th. Rod Bray said the issue of redrawing Indiana's congressional maps mid-cycle has received a lot of attention, causing strife here in the state. And to resolve the issue, the Senate intends to reconvene. Does this mean that Rod Bray now thinks the Senate has enough? votes. Well, look, these guys lie about everything, right? I mean, it's one thing to say, well, I don't know. Maybe we'll think about it. We'll see. He has repeatedly declared we're not doing it and we'll see you in January. But that's the thing. The truth doesn't matter anymore. People's words don't matter anymore. And that's what this is about. This is about pressure from people who don't live in Indiana. We have seen what the polling in Indiana shows. People don't want it. We have seen that rally. They got... 30-ish people to show up at that rally. We've seen the town hall. There is no Indiana-based poll or group of people or event that shows that people want this. This is all about outside pressure. It's about bending a knee to Donald Trump. And again, you should be outraged about that, whether there's two more Jefferson Trees or Jennifer Ruth Greens in Congress, your life's not going to get any better. But the thing that should make you mad is... They don't care about you. They're not putting this effort into something that's going to help you. They're only doing this to save themselves. What do you think changed within the Senate caucus to prompt the sudden decision to reconvene on December 8th? Well, Homer Simpson wants that I guess some people never change or quickly change and then quickly change right back. I don't know. I mean, you and I, Casey, we talked about this for a long time. We always thought they were going to fold because the Trump administration was just not going to stop. Who knows what these guys have been threatened with? Who knows what's been held over their head?

It's just, you just look at our government and our society and go, this is why things are the shape we're in. The Republicans know they cannot win in the midterms without further rigging these maps. They're looking at rigging the maps to bail themselves out for the bad governance. Is anything more affordable? No. Is the spending any better? No. And those were the two things they got elected to do. And as usual, they lied to everybody about it. So, Rob, my perception has always been that, for the most part, at least the perception is, is that Todd Houston and Rod Bray. for the last decade or so have kind of been in lockstep. They kind of moved together. They seem to be a good team. But now with this redistricting, it seems that that may be cracking a little bit. Are you getting any sense that this issue may be kind of splitting those two apart from each other? Well, they definitely share a brain. And I think that's part of why our state's in the shape. But then you have two men sharing one brain. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is what I can't figure out about this is we've been at this for six months. Even if this for six months and the best you can get is a coin toss on an issue that most people don't even care about. Like even people who are for it, they're like, well, you know, whatever, I guess it'll be great. But like all of the things facing people in terms of I need to afford to live my life and you can help me do that or our government is totally broken and you can help fix that. And this is like what? Is this some sort of victory now if they get it done? And then Jennifer Ruth Green goes to Washington, D.C. Like was that? I mean, somebody made the point, Jim, the other day. I think it was Rod Bray in one of these articles. He said. Why don't we take all these resources trying to bully and intimidate our senators? And why don't we put it into the first congressional district and just win the thing fair and square? I saw that. I think he might have gotten that idea from you because I think I've heard you guys say that on your show before. And then three days later, it comes out in the paper. Yeah. Yeah, well, plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery. You guys know that you've been in radio for a long time. But that's my point. It's like if you, if the Republicans have such great ideas and things are going so well in this country and everybody's very happy with the Republicans. then that's a toss-up district. I mean, it leans Democrat, but it should be an easily winnable district. They don't want to do that because they can't, because the Republicans have not followed through on the core promises, which are affordability and the spending. And so they're trying to bail themselves out, and it's just gross when you see these people like Andrew Ireland and Liz Brown. who are doing nothing to help people, but they're obsessed with this redistricting. I mean, you just look at this and go, how about me for once? How about you put the party in Trump second for once and put me first? Yeah, Liz Brown did tweet out earlier today that she'll be in her seat on Monday in the Senate chamber and she wants to get this done. How quickly do you think a bill realistically could be drafted, debated, and passed given the compressed timeline?

Well, think about that. So the Senate's not going to meet until the age. They'll see the maps for what a week at most. Usually this is a four to six months process, just take testimony, make sure we don't disenfranchise. We'll make sure we're checking all of our boxes. Let's say it takes the Senate a week to pass it probably won't, but let's say it does. So January 7th, I think, is the first day for filing for office. So that gives you, unless, of course, it's all rigged and you already know what's going to happen and you could already be preparing to do this. that gives you, what, a half a month to decide if you want to run for Congress. Oh, and they're going to screw all these local elected officials. They're going to screw all these county election people. And it's the equivalent of taking a dump. It's equivalent of walking into somebody's living room. You don't know, taking a dump and going, hey, you ought to clean that up. I'm really wondering if they've already drafted some maps up privately, even though they haven't released any publicly. I've seen this one that's been going around from Erickson's. And I've been kind of zooming in on the map, Rob. And honestly, I can't tell if they adopted a map like that, if I would have Jefferson Shreve or professional office hopper Aaron Houchin as my rep anymore. Now, when you checked on what was the screen name, Erickson 68, was that person in Iran now that we can see where everybody's. Oh, no. You know what? I can do that right now real quick. No, account based in the United States. Okay, very good. I mean, that's the point, though. Like, it doesn't matter. Let's say it's Shreve. Let's say it's Hachin. Let's say it's Messmer. Let's say it's bear. Let's say it's... Ruth Green, let's say it's any of these people. Like any of these people, do you say, oh, man, it's the republic's really going to be in strong hands now that they're the deciding vote? Like, I just look at all this. And it's... Your life isn't going to get any better. They're not going to do anything meaningful to fix the system they have broke over and over and over again. And you just look at these people like Andrew Ireland, who is so disappointing that he has wasted all of this time. Not a word, not a word from him publicly about the totally corrupt IEDC. Hundreds of millions of dollars of conflicts of interest and corruption that audit revealed. Not a word from him about that. Not one word you'll find from him about that. But every post now with him is about, oh, redistricting 9-0, let's go, baby. This is, like, you just can't count on any of these people anymore. You can't come no matter what they tell you when they're running, or how much they tell you they want it, or how much they tell you you're going to fight for it. You just can't count on any of these people because they all bend the knee because they're all about themselves. Yeah. Rob, okay, so you're a big gambling guy. You've got the Degenerates Next Door podcast. What are the odds here? What would you give it? Is it, you know.

Plus 100 that we get redistricting. Set up some odds for this on whether you think it's going to happen or not. Okay, Jim, Casey, you'll appreciate this because you are Notre Dame superfan. Yes. I believe the yes at this point is Notre Dame. The nose are Stanford. Okay, I'm going to take, I'm going to need some time to decipher that, but I like it. Okay, good. Well, that's something like when Notre Dame plays Stanford at 1030, by the way, why is Notre Dame playing at 1030 on Saturday? Why is that happening? But at 1030, Notre Dame is a 32 and a half point favorite. They could theoretically lose the game, right? Like they could, but there's almost no chance it's going to happen. They would not be calling this session if they didn't have the votes. And it's going to go forward. Got it. It will be interesting, though. is who's the next boogeyman now? Because the Republicans feed off of always having some boogeyman to excuse why they don't fix things. So the interesting thing now, once they do this, and then if they get these two Republicans in Washington, D.C., who the next boogeyman to blame on why they're not fixing things for you? I guess it'll be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Gavin Newsom, I don't know. But I just... I've had it with all of this. I'm so sick of these guys not doing anything. And then finding these wedge issues to go, oh, don't pay attention to how we're not helping you. Just pay attention to how we're going to try to rig the maps because that'll make your life so much better. Well, you do have to wonder if the 2020 census data is going to raise any sort of legitimacy concerns if this does pass. Hammer and Nigel have the day off. My name is Casey. That is Jim. And yesterday, the first lady, Melania Trump, she welcomed the official White House Christmas tree to the White House. The tree is a white fur from Corson's tree farms. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on RAV-4, Grand Highlander, Camry, and Corolla, with the features and style you deserve. It means driving for less with hybrid and plug-in hybrid options across the lineup, delivering great MPGs. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your car will hold its value for years to come. Shop Toyota.com to find out more. Toyota, let's go places. In Michigan, it's a Midwest tree at the White House this year. I like that. Yeah, it's 18 and a half feet tall. It will be displayed in the blue room. Corsons, they earned the honor after they won the National Christmas Tree Association's contest. And the winner of that contest has been providing the White House with the Christmas tree since 1966. I saw a documentary. I don't know if it was a documentary. It was documentary-like on this one year. And they start that process. in the middle of the summer where they go around and visit all the different tree farms and look at the different trees that are eligible. It's always been a big deal. I've always kind of been a sucker for the holidays around the White House.

You know, when I was a kid, it was Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan, and they would always make a big deal, and you'd see the tree getting trucked in on a flatbed, and they'd put it up, and the big lighting ceremony, I'm a sucker for this. I do like the Thanksgiving and Christmas time White House traditions that have been done over a long time from the 60s, it sounds like. Yeah, the tree arrived at the North Portico by a horse-drawn carriage, pulled by two Clydesdales. The Clydesdales were named Logan and Ben. And it'll look a lot different from the Biden Christmas White House where it was much more circus-like. But speaking of names, here's Donald Trump pardoning this year's turkeys. The turkeys being pardoned today go by the names of gobble and waddle. When I first saw their pictures, I thought we should send them, well, I was going to, I shouldn't say this. I was going to call them Chuck and Nancy. But then I realized I wouldn't be pardoning them. I would never pardon those two people. I wouldn't pardon them. I wouldn't care what Melania told me. Darling, I think it would be a nice thing to do. I won't do it, darling. He also claimed dragging Melania into it. Donald Trump also claimed that Joe Biden's turkey pardons were invalid because he used an auto pen. And then he went on to say, where's Hunter? This is. Now, see, I talked about how it was always a great tradition to see presidents in the White House at the holidays. Trump doing a new one by just. proving what he is, the greatest troll of all time. I love that. The Biden turkey pardons are invalid because he used an auto pen. So let's talk about some Thanksgiving costs and some consumer trends. 57% of Americans say they feel priced out of preparing a holiday meal at home due to the rising grocery costs. Nearly half of people plan to replace turkey with something a little bit more affordable. like chicken. One third say they might get burgers, pizza, or fast food for Thanksgiving. I know in this example, cost isn't going to be a factor, but how down would you be for something other than turkey at Thanksgiving? Because this is a trend that goes beyond cost. Like I've seen people that are like making lasagna or have steaks or roast beef or something like that. How interested would you be in a Thanksgiving dinner where turkey was not the main entree? I mean, I do it, but I like turkey. A lot of people don't even like turkey. They just do it because it's tradition, but I actually like the turkey. So we've done Thanksgiving dinner in June before. Right. Because we like it. Okay. So we're not normal, but I love Thanksgiving. It is my favorite holiday of the entire year. And a big part of that is the food. And yeah, I love turkey. I love all the sides and the pies. And yeah, one year out of nowhere in the middle of the summer, we just decided to cook a big Thanksgiving dinner in June. a hard time giving up the turkey. Also, I think we do a pretty darn good job on our turkey. Like, it's never dry. And the one year we had the Cracker Barrel Thanksgiving dinner. Our daughter will not let us forget. We were moving. We were literally moving across the entire country on Thanksgiving weekend. I think we get a dispensation for that year. She was not happy about that. Still reminds us about it. Yeah, but shoppers are saving 23% say they will make fewer desserts.

And 22% say they're going to reduce their portion sizes. And 16% say they would choose store brand over name brands to save money. It is the Hammer and Nigel show on 93 WIBC. So he's not being indicted. Right now, federal judge dismissed the indictments against James Comey and Letitia James. You know, James Comey is such a narcissist. He's probably really bummed. He's got to share the headlines with her. Right, especially somebody like Letitia James, who's just kind of not quite on his level in the pecking order of Washington. He's like, no, these are my headlines. I want it all about me. So you think about James Comey, served as a U.S. attorney, worked as the deputy attorney, General became FBI director back in 2013. He was fired by Donald Trump in 2017. And at the time, that sparked a lot of political debate about interference in ongoing investigations. But now, this judge has dismissed the case against him because of the attorney. Yeah, and this is what, if you've seen the headlines over the last 24 hours on this, and this is what I hate how the media covers courts, especially in this instance here, but the headlines were, oh, judge dismissed his case against James Comey and Letitia James and Letitia James Coney, and you figure, oh, well, they obviously won. This was, you know, argued in front of a judge, and Letitia James and James Comey won their argument. No, this was dismissed on a technicality. What the judge said is that the prosecutor that was appointed by the Justice Department shouldn't have been appointed. Yep. And so therefore it can't continue. Well, this is just going to be appealed or retried or something along those lines. This is really just a technicality here. And this prosecution and the Department of Justice going after James Comey and Letitia James is certainly going to continue this is far from over. Yeah, the judge ruled that Trump's appointment of the interim U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan was invalid. And all actions under her, including the indictments, were declared unlawful exercises of executive power. and set aside. Now, the cases were dismissed without prejudice means that they could be refiled, except there is that little problem of the statute of limitations, which is running out. Yeah, this goes all the way back to 2020 when James Comey testified in front of Congress and what the DOJ is alleging that he lied during that testimony in front of Congress. That happened on September 30th, 2020. Statute of limitations is five years, which means it expired as September 30. this year, the DOJ charged him on September 25th. But now that it's been dismissed, does the shot clock reset with the judge's dismissal this week? Or do we still get to kind of go, oh, hey, we did it before? We're just going to appeal. These are all great legal questions that I'm sure will be tied up in courts for many, many years to come. So James Comey, he posted on Instagram calling the prosecution based on malevolence and incompetence. Malevolence. of that one up, right? So here is part of his statement. I was very lucky that some of the best lawyers in America stepped forward to represent me. I hope they serve as an example to more and more lawyers, especially at some of the big firms, to participate in protecting our liberty, protecting the rule of law. And my family and friends were always with me.

And luckily for me, includes some of those great lawyers. Some of the great lawyers were his family and friends. My question about that statement that he put out, why is he so close to the camera? I don't know if you saw it, but it is like, it is a tight shot on his face. Yeah, he just needs, he's not used to posting, he's not used to doing posting video on Instagram. No, he's usually posting photos from the beach. Random rock formations that say 8647. That was kind of weird. Yeah. happened. But this goes all the way back to the Russia collusion hoax of the 2016 election. We're still litigating things from, geez, three presidential elections ago. Well, the press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, she put out a statement and she said that everybody knows that he lied to Congress. What I will say is that everybody knows that James Comey lied to Congress. It's as clear as day. And this judge took an unprecedented action to throw these cases out to shield James Comey and Letitia James from accountability based on a technical ruling. And the administration disagrees with that technical ruling. We believe the attorney in this case, Lindsey Halligan, is not only extremely qualified for this position, but she was, in fact, legally appointed. And I know the Department of Justice will be appealing this. short order. So maybe James Comey should pump the brakes on his victory lap. See, this is what I said. The media is doing a poor job of reporting this. Yeah. So Trump called out for prosecutions of James Comey and James and said that they were guilty. He said that in their social media post. But you had mentioned this will be appealed. And of course, the Attorney General Pam Bondi, she said, yeah, they're going to appeal this. Sure, we'll be taking all available legal action, including an immediate appeal to hold Letitia James and James Comey accountable for their unlawful conduct. What did your reaction to his statement? I'm going on this. I'm not, you know, I'm not worried about someone who has been charged with a very serious crime. His alleged actions were a betrayal of public trust. So what he's specifically being accused of is during, in 2018, somebody from the FBI leaked information to the Wall Street Journal about the Russia collusion hoax. And then James Comey was asked in 2020 on their oath in front of Congress, did you authorize that leak? And he said no. That's exactly what we're talking about here. And Pam Bondi's not stopping. And so. This is far from over. This is going to be litigated for a long time to come. Is she not stopping, though? She just said she is. Uh-huh. What do you mean? I can't believe whatever Pam Bondi says. Is that what you're trying to tell me? I don't know. I would be smart to say that. Yeah. Yeah. Pam Bondi not having the best month. There hasn't been a lot coming out from, I mean, you know, the files. They're on her desk. I just go back to that all the time. Yeah. Pam Bondi has struggled ever since she became, you know, part of Trump's cabinet. And this is another black eye because it was the prosecutor that she specifically appointed that.

The judge said, nope, you can't do that. So another black eye for Pam Bondi. I'm sure she's ready to put her boxing gloves on and still fight for this one. We'll see. James Comey, he looks like the biggest cootie I've ever seen. He does. And look, I mean, you can sit here and say, oh, you know, Trump's, you know, practicing lawfare. Look, James Comey is a bad dude. Done a lot of nasty stuff. If it was this thing specifically, I mean, we're going to find out and it's going to be tried in court, and that's the way it works. So cigarette use in Indiana has dropped 40%. in the first three months after the $2 per pack tax increase. And they also say that smoking sensation programs like Quit Now Indiana have jumped nearly 40% over the same period. So it looks like that more tax is working to help people quitting smoking. Yeah, I just did a search of this, the average price of a pack of cigarettes in Indiana. Over $12 for one pack of cigarettes. Yeah, that'll do it, won't it? That will cause people to quit. So not a surprise. I guess this is good. I mean, I hate new taxes, but it was coming anyway. People quitting smoking because it's gotten so expensive, it's a pretty good outcome at the end of the day. Nearly 15% of Indiana adults smoke, and they say that the quit now Indiana has a 32% quit rate effectiveness. That's pretty good. You know, this is. Probably just the beginning. I mean, we've seen a 40% reduction in the first three months. My guess is we're going to continue to see this now that cigarettes are... I mean, I can't believe that, $12 for a pack of cigarettes. Yeah, it is expensive, that's for sure. It is the Hammer and Nigel show. It's 93 WIBC. You're listening to The Hammer and Nigel show. Hammer and Nigel both have the day off. Good for them. Getting a head start on their Thanksgiving holiday. It is Casey and the dude in the studio. So how many people did you say are traveling for Thanksgiving? According to the federal government, 82 million people will be. traveling for Thanksgiving this weekend. Two million, roughly two million by plane and, I'm sorry, six million by plane and like 73 million by car. And then the other remaining, I guess, take the bus or the train. They're walking or they're taking a scooter. riding a donkey. I don't know. Something like that. The transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, he said that travelers should dress more professionally at airports to encourage better behavior. I think we have to think about how do we do a better job? How do we, you know, maintain maybe some of that frustration we have as we travel this Thanksgiving season? Maybe we should say please and thank you to our pilots and to our flight attendants. I think, again, I call this just maybe dressing with some respect, you know, whether it's a pair of jeans and a decent shirt, I would encourage people to maybe dress a little better, which encourages us to maybe. we behave all a little better. Let's try not to wear slippers and pajamas as we come to the airport. I think that's positive. I agree with him. God bless Sean Duffy for somebody finally standing up and say it. This is the world we live in. We're this.

The Secretary of Transportation for the United States government has to say, hey, can you please shower, put on some deodorant and some real pants and shoes, please? I don't think he said shower. He just said dress nicer. I added that part. I'm trying to add it. As somebody who flew for a living or at least traveled as part of their job a lot, yeah, no, I added the showering and deodorant part. I would not fly right now. I mean. Can you imagine? No. So we've got Fox News on here in the studio. They're currently running like that little crawler at the bottom and bug. They've currently got this bug at the bottom showing a running tally of the number of cancellations at all the major airports. So like O'Hare was over 700 and Atlanta was over 2,000 cancellations just today. Can you imagine your flight gets canceled and you're in a separate city on Thanksgiving? On Thanksgiving. And you're being put up in a hotel somewhere. If you're lucky, the airline puts you up in a hotel somewhere. Well, yeah, there's that. What's the word? worst experience you ever had. Yeah, I don't know if this is, this isn't the worst experience, but this is certainly the funniest experience. So I was, I was, um, I was flying somewhere and I'm in the seat and the, you know, jets on the tarmac and we're ready to take off. And all of a sudden the pilot comes on. It was a female pilot comes on and says, hey, we've got a bit of a delay. Pilots have credentials that they have to have. And the FAA won't let a pilot or a plane take off if the pilot doesn't have their credentials. And she's like, I can't find my credentials. And so the ground crew and the pilot and the co-pilot for an hour, they're walking around the entire plane, walking around the tar. to see if she left it somewhere. People are tearing the cop pick and the plane apart. Yeah. All of this turns out that they had fall. She had them around their neck and they had fallen off and gotten lodged between her sweater and her shirt under. So she had them with her. They were on her the entire time. It's not a good look for female empowerment. No, not a good look at all. But funny. I had somebody, the thing that bothers me about flying is when people bring their... leftovers bring food from and this just happened we just flew two weeks ago oh is it like korean barbecue or something smelled like korean bar it was like super vinegaree and barbecue which in a normal setting i would love in an airplane and it can find confined space not so much yeah because you know anything that smells it's amplified On a plane. It's recycled air. Yes. Yikes. You're listening to The Hammer and Nigel show. It is 93 WIBC. Well, I was going to take over the world this morning, but I overslept. So that's been postponed. Again, instead we'll just take over the Hammer and Nigel show. My name is Casey. That is Jim, Hammer and Nigel, with the day off today. Let's talk about what's going on at the Pentagon. They announced that they are investigating Democratic Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona over possible breaches. of military law after he joined a handful of other lawmakers in a video that called for troops to defy illegal orders.

Are they illegal, the orders that they've been given? If that's the case, they need to go to the JAG officer or the inspector general. No, and in fact, Elise Locken came out over the weekend and she was asked specifically on one of the Sunday talk shows. Has President Trump issued any illegal orders? And she said not to her knowledge. Oh, actually, you know what? We have that audio. Oh, I spoke too soon. Allison, it's number eight if you could play that. Right now, do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders? To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal. Boom. So we're done here. This is, as Rob Kendall likes to say, Rob Kendall likes to say, this is all dinner theater. There's nothing going on here that's real. Look, and I'm not one to defend Democrats, but what they did is all these Democrats came out on this video and said, look, if President Trump issues the military an order that is illegal, the troops should not follow it. That's all they said. Yeah. And by the way. That's true. And I believe that that's part of the oath that members of the military take. That's part of what they're bound by. They're not supposed to follow an order from the president if that order is unconstitutional. So Mark Kelly, he appeared in this video with some other Democratic lawmakers. And here's just a portion of the video that they put out. It's number six, Allison. This administration is pitting our uniform military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens. Like us, you all swore an oath. To protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from a barrage, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. Okay, so Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, he came out and he said this video made by the seditious six was despicable, reckless and false. Encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of their commanders undermines every aspect of good order and discipline. Their foolish screed so's doubt and confusion, which only puts our warriors in danger. And then later today, he put out another post and he was directly quote tweeting. Senator Mark Kelly. And he said, your medals are out of order and rows are reversed because Mark Kelly had posted a picture of all of his ribbons. And he said, when and if you are recalled to active duty, I'll start with a uniform inspection. And that's one of the things that they're saying that they would recall him back to active duty. Just so. they could get him in more trouble. Yeah, they can do an investigation. And, you know, that's a separate issue. You know, if he's a member of the reserves, you know, his boss ultimately is Pete Hegseth and President Trump. And so if they want to recall him and beat him up over some uniform code violation, fine, that's valid. But I just don't see anything. And again, I'm not one to defend Democrats here. But I don't see what anything that the Democrats did as being specifically wrong. They said that our troops should.

disobey illegal orders. I think everybody agrees with that that's spelled out in the law and the Constitution. Yeah, but they're kind of alluding that Donald Trump is giving out. Well, that's the problem. This is the problem that I have. If you listen to that audio again, they sit here and say the laws of our country are clear. Actually, that is, couldn't be further from the truth. Our laws are not very clear. So, you know, whether or not what ICE is doing and rounding up illegal immigrants, is that illegal? I don't know. The courts are going to have to settle that out. This is the problem with that question is that a lot of times our laws are not very clear and it takes years in court proceedings for some sort of decision to be made on them. So that's kind of the great part in all of this and agree them alluding to the fact that Donald Trump is giving illegal orders, that I have a problem. Can we talk about what's going on with Campbell Soup? I hope we would, yeah. There's this former Campbell Soup employee. who recorded a vice president and it was one of those hidden camera moments and it seems that the vice president is making a comment about some of the food that's in campbell's soup and it's kind of gross take a listen Even in Kansas, if I look at it, we could... A beauty analyst for Campbell's, Robert Garza of Monroe. I don't buy... It's barely anymore. It's healthy. Now that I don't want to have it in it. Even in Kansas, if I look at it, you could eat bioengineer meat. I don't want to eat a... A piece of chicken that came from a 3D printer, you? So he's alleging that there's bioengineered lab grown meat in the chicken soup. Campbell's, of course, has denied it, saying that all their meat comes from USDA-approved suppliers with no antibiotics ever. This. is a disaster for Campbell. The holidays are Campbell's Soup's Super Bowl. I mean, people are using cream of mushroom to make, you know, green bean casserole. I mean, that's a lot of Campbell soups are used in a lot of side dishes around Thanksgiving and Christmas. And so for this to drop this week is an absolute disaster for Campbell's soup. Well, Campbell's is saying that this guy, he was an IT guy. He was never part of the food. processing of the soup. He has no idea what he's talking about. The claims that he's making are inaccurate. And they terminated him. And the IT guy, the guy that was doing the recording of the video, not the one that was claiming there's bioengineered meat in there yet. Well, they terminated him and now he is suing Campbell's soup saying that it was a toxic workplace and he's experiencing retaliation and he's seeking damages for stress and humiliation and emotional harm and economic losses. So let me get this straight. You're an IT guy who works at Campbell's and you secretly record.

an executive trashing Campbell's Soup and the quality of their product. And then you release that video to the public and you get fired and then you fire. Yeah, I, man, good luck on that lawsuit. I'm going to say that probably Campbell's Soup probably had some good reason to terminate that guy. But don't you just have to go about your day thinking that you're in a real live Truman show that you're being recorded anywhere all the time? from any device, whether it be meta glasses or somebody's hidden camera or... Or you're walking along the street and there's a CCTV camera that's recording you. Just everywhere. Like every portion of your life. Well, the Mark Sanchez incident from a couple of months ago. I mean, that happened in the middle of the night and he was in an alley in downtown Indianapolis. We got all sorts of angles and cameras on that. Yeah. Of course. Yeah, you have to expect that. And what was with this Campbell's executive just going off on their own products? And why would he... Tail it to an IT guy. It reminds me of the movie The Big Short, where Steve Carell's character is talking to those two guys who do mortgage brokerages. And they're like, oh, yeah, we don't care if people have income. We just, you know, give them the mortgage anyway. And he talks to his buddies later. He's like, why are these guys confessing? And his buddy goes, no, they're not confessing. They're bragging. That's exactly what that Campbell Soup executive was doing. He was bragging and... you know, sharing some information with an underling. Whether it's true or not. Yeah. He was trying to look like he was important. The big shot. Exactly. He had the inside information of how awful it is here. And I'm going to share it with you. I'm not confessing. I'm bragging. Yeah. So you've heard us talk how WIBC is going to be moving locations here in the near future. We're not the only ones. Yeah. We're not the only media outlet. In fact, Indy Star is now planning to move their newsroom. They've been inside the Circle. center mall and now they're going to be moving to a new location and it will be a smaller location But you got to think maybe this is because of the digital evolution, right? They don't need as much space. Well, they were in one building for like 100 years. And then 2014, they moved into the former Nordstrom building in Circle Center Mall. And now here we are. Circle Center Mall is being redesigned. And so it's like, and the Indy Star alluded to this in their article, they just don't need as many people to run a newspaper today as you did 10 years ago and certainly not nearly as many as you did 50 years ago. So I looked this up. moving to a building that is that is kitty corner from uh

a Cambridge Fieldhouse. Okay. So they're going to be right next to, they're going to be in the same city block as Barnes and Thornburg, IBJ, and BW3s, if you know where that is in downtown. Yeah, they say the new space is going to offer them ample room for operations in great city views, but no escalator in the middle of their name. Yeah, they talked about that because they were in the old Nordstrom's, that there was an escalator right in the middle of their offices and you get into work and you take the escalator up to your death. New views for them to. It depends upon what the meaning of the word is. Yes. Is this anything? All right, let's rock and roll. Rock and roll. Is this anything brought to you by the Attorney General's office here in Indiana? The Attorney General's office reunites Hoosiers with over $1 million in unclaimed property every single week. Fast, easy, and free to search at Indiana unclaimed.gov. Well, just like that piece of production said, let's rock. Is this anything? Guns and Roses announced their 2026 tour dates. They're going to do 20 shows across the country. Yeah, that's something. I'm excited to see Gun. I would love to go see Guns and Rose. Although, okay, now they say that out loud. Here's the issue. A few years ago, ACDC went on tour, and their lead singer Brian Johnson was sick and couldn't. So they got Axel Rose, lead singer of Guns and Rose, to fill in on that whole tour. I saw a bunch of clips of that. And? You know, as we age, our singing voices aren't nearly as good as they used to be. I know Hammer just recently saw ACDC. He had a good time. He said they sounded great. Yeah, but Brian Johnson's back lead singer of ACDC. It wasn't with Axel Rose. The clips I saw of Axel Rose singing, it wasn't good. It wasn't very good. Now, you can still go and jam with Slash on guitar and all the other guys in the band still be fun. But Axel Rose does not have the voice that he had 30 years ago. And those high notes and welcome to the jungle are going to be tough for him to hit. So yeah, but yes, it is still, it definitely is something. So general admission tickets go on sale December 5th at 10 a.m. They also have two new songs, nothing and Atlas. Two new songs coming out December 2nd. That's the first material since 2023 that they have released. And the band is going to be fronted by Axel Rose. They're going to have slash on guitar. Duff on bass, Dizzy Reed on keyboard, and then some other members in the band, like Richard Fortis will be on rhythm guitar, Melissa Reese will be playing keyboard, and Isaac Carpenter will be playing drums. I'm trying to see. It looks like Tinley Park is going to be the closest they'll be playing to us. Yeah, they'll be there in July. Yeah, July 29th, Guns and Roses at Tinley Park. And, I mean, really, that's kind of, I mean, you want. Axel Rose, you want slash. Those are the two big guys. And Guns and Rose has had a lot of tragedy over there. I mean, they've had four band members die since they started. Steve Adler died in 2018. Izzy Stradlin died in 2020. Gilby Clark in 2010 and Tracy Guns died.

in 2025. So actually, actually, yeah, yeah. Stadium and amphitheaters. That's what they're going to play. So. Yeah, they can sell out massive play. Look, some big venues. Easily, you're easily going to be able to put 20, 30, 40,000 butts in the seats for a Guns and Rose's concert. It should be a good show. It'd be a lot of fun. You used to rock out a lot. I'd like to think I still do on occasion. Maybe not as much. Just like Axel Rose, his voice isn't what it used to be. Maybe my rock out ain't as good as it used to be, but it's still there. I'm going to test your knowledge. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. What do you got? I want you to be able to name these Guns and Rose's songs. In one note. Now, come on. You're talking about a former... It's Guns and Roses. A former music disc jockey. Correct. Who excels in name that tune. I know. You do really good, but we'll see. All right. I'm ready. I'm going to put you up to the test. All right. Let me get my feet set. Yep. Name these Guns and Roses songs in one note. You ready? Ready. Okay, here we go. So easy. Sweet child of mine. Let's see. Nailed it. You. are correct one for one i love that song that song of all the guns and roses songs in my opinion sweet child of mine stands the test of time we'll be listening to that song 30 years from now yeah that's a good one all right very good you did that one all right one for one how many i got here you got five okay one for one here you go here's your next song name that guns and roses song and one note paradise city wow

Also does a pretty good job of standing the test of time. Paradise City. I mean, these are the hits. I went easy with this. Yeah, good. I could probably even do pretty good on the deep cuts, too. But all right, two for two. Let's keep rocking. I love it. Name this Gunson Rosa song in one note. That's welcome to the jungle. And Allison? That classic guitar intro. You are correct. Let this one roll for a minute. Oh, so good. Yes. Just, I remember the first time I heard this song, I was blown away. Yeah. There's like nothing I had ever heard before. It was incredible. Okay. We're going to slow it down. It's time for an all skate. Okay. What do you got? I can do the slow ones. Name this Guns and Roses song in one note. Patience. Easy. Patience. Come on. I thought this was going to be hard. No, not so much. Apparently. You're doing really good. All right. Those are like their big four songs. So getting a little deeper here on the last one. All right. Got one left. There you go. If you get this one, it's, you did it clean. Name this Guns and Rose's song in one note. November rain. Wow.

Still got it. We're experiencing some November rain today. I was expecting like maybe a Mr. Brownstone or a Rocket Queen or... Look at you. Something even deeper than that. That's got... All right. I'm pretty proud of myself. Five for five. I mean, how many times did you play Sweet Child of Mine? Oh, my God, so many times. Over and over. Every day for decades. Yeah. That song was always on the radio. Hey, Allison, can you cue it up one more time? It was A. Sweet Child of Mine. Yeah. It's such a good one, right? Yeah. That appetite for destruction was an incredible album. That was their debut album. How much would you pay to see Guns and Roses in concert? Back then, like from the late 80s, like the late 80s guns and roses in their prime today, more than you would be comfortable with me spending. I'd pay a lot. I don't doubt it. I'd pay a lot. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on Tacoma, Tundra, and Forerunner with the space and features for any adventure. It means driving for less, with available hybrid options, delivering great MPGs without sacrificing power. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your truck will hold its value for years to come. Shoptojota.com to find out more. Toyota, let's go places. Hey, speaking of paying more than you'd be comfortable for, did you hear the latest? The U.S. national debt has now passed $39 trillion. I'd pay that much to see Guns and Roses. Oh, man. It was $36 trillion when Donald Trump took office. Trump's administration has added nearly $3 trillion in 11 months. So since the first of the year. We've added $3 trillion to the national debt. We've got what? Four or five, maybe five, six weeks left. I think if we try hard, we can get to $4 trillion. Come on. I don't want to try hard. I'm sure Trump can find something to spend some money on. That's the thing. Stop spending money. At this point, it's mathematically impossible to pay it off. Anything we pay down for the debt, it's just interest. We're not even getting to the meat of it. Yeah, and this is, you want to know why. The cost of living is out of control. That's what drives inflation. It's because the government has thrown so much money into the system, especially during COVID and since COVID. That's why everything costs more than it used to. That's your, you can find that's the single point of failure for why inflation and cost of living is so bad. Well, and we had that big government shutdown and they passed that continuing resolution and all that did was pass Biden spending levels. Right. Stay with Biden spending levels. Awesome. What a win for us. Green or a loss. Hammer and Nigel both have the day off today. My name is Casey Daniels.

Jim, who is joining me in the studio. And Donald Trump, apparently getting what he wants. Maybe. We'll see when the vote actually happens. But it was announced today that the Indiana House will be returning next week to address redistricting on December 1st. And then a few hours later, Senate said, yeah, us too will come back on December 8th. And that is quite a... reversal from what they previously said. Yeah. And at the end of the day, Donald Trump has an incredible amount of leverage over the state of Indiana. I mean, they've announced that one of the new Department of Agriculture hubs is going to be coming to Indianapolis. The crane naval base is supposed to be a key component of the Golden Dome that Donald Trump is building. Indiana gets an incredible amount of federal dollars. I mean, if Donald Trump wants to play dirty and he very well may be, there's an incredible amount of leverage that he can influence over Indiana lawmakers. make you wonder what's going on with Rod Bray though because he's been saying we don't have the votes all along he uh he confirmed that the chamber will convene he said the issue of Redrawing Indiana's congressional maps mid-cycle has received a lot of attention and is causing strife here in our state. Pretty much the strife being that he's having a public argument with the governor about the redistricting. And it's going to be fascinating to see how this plays out because you would assume that they, okay, they moved up their schedule. They said we're not going to come back until after the first of the year. Now both the House and Senate have said we're coming back first week in December now. Obviously something has changed. And you would think, you would think. that both sides would have the votes at this point. If they're going to do it. Or the other possibility is Rod Bray just wants to put it to an end. That's right. Maybe Rod Bray is just sitting here going, look, I've had enough of this conversation. I tried to. protect Governor Braun as much as I can. Because if they put this up to a vote in the Senate and it fails, that is not good for Governor Braun. Yeah. So this early gavel does carry a price tag. Legislative leaders, they say that reconvening in December won't increase the overall cost of the 26th session. But the legislative staff, they said that each chamber is currently scheduled to meet for one week at a time. Once the chamber convenes, members are... eligible for the full legislative business per diem. How much is that? $213 per day. $213 a day. That's what every single member of the General Assembly gets for every single day they're in session. And if they commute from outside of Marion County, additionally, they qualify for mileage reimbursement at 70 cents per mile. I mean, these lawmakers, they've got a fixed annual salary, right?

But then when you add up the per diem. The per diem is part of it. It puts a part-time job. You're getting over $70,000 a year. Kaching, ka-ching, ka-ching? Sure. No maps have been released, by the way. Still no maps. Still no maps. But at least we do have some dates for when the Senate and the House are going to be back in session. Vote on something nobody has ever seen. Officially. Transparently. by the way. It is going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. I still think there is a greater than 0% chance that they put it to a vote in the Senate and it fails. I think that's unlikely, but... Like I said, greater than 0% chance that that's what happens here. You got to wonder why, though, Rod Bray changed his mind because he was saying January, nope, we don't have the votes. We're coming in January. And then all of a sudden, okay, we're going to come in December. A certain amount of this. I've got to believe that a certain amount of this is him just washing his hands over all of this being like, you know what? I'm tired of fighting you guys. If this is what you want, then do it. And if it fails, so be it. It's going to look terrible on Braun, who's been the leader pushing all of this. And if it doesn't happen. And if it doesn't happen and break and sit here and say, hey, I put it up to a vote. I tried. Didn't go. I did the best I could. We're on to whatever's next. Everybody keeps threatening him with primary. He's in office until he's just won re-election. So he's still got three years until he's going to be back up for election again. And by that time, the whole world's going to change in three years. Everybody's going to forget about this redistricting thing in Indiana. Perhaps. Perhaps they will. And he's well liked in his district. So. And well funded. Look at his campaign finance reports. Rod Bray gets a lot of money going his way. And everybody thinks that primarying him is going to be something easy. Oh, we just got to throw some money out there, find a candidate, fine. Yeah, you got 10 to 20 million in your back pocket. For a state senators. For a state senator. It's ridiculous. Ridiculous. And they're threatening to do that with all the state senators who vote now. You have 5,200 million primarium. People have come out and said, you know what, if we would have take all that money that you want to use to primary. And just put it into a good campaign. And put it into some good campaigns in the 7th and 1st district for Republicans. You might actually win those seats. Or how about just govern better? Here's an idea. Just make people want it to happen. Too hard. No way. No, what else you got? Not going to do that. Not a chance. You know what else I have is this article and as your home for the holidays, you might be looking around your parents' home and seeing some stuff. There's this entire article and it's about the boomers giving away their stuff. And it's an avalanche that is... crushing families. Retired parents gifting their items to their children and the children saying, I don't really want this. I don't have room for this. I can't. I mean, this has got to be happening at a grand scale all over the country. I feel like I'm fortunate. Both my parents are still alive. My dad's 87 and mom's 84. But they've done a good job of kind of pairing down.

They're not big hoarders and they do a good job of cleaning out their stuff on a fairly regular basis. There's still plenty of stuff there at their house. Oh, I'm not saying it's not going to be a chore. It's going to be a massive chore, but they've done a good job of kind of pairing down what they have. So the baby boomers and the silent generation families, they face stuff avalanche estimated at worth $100 trillion. Come on. Nope. And I saw this. Like stuff in the attic? I mean, it's Maybe their investments and their stocks and their homes and that sort of thing. But this article alludes to the fact that a lot of this is just junk that their kids don't want. Well, that's it exactly. You got to think the boomers, they grew up collecting stuff. And especially. Well, they were the consumer generation. They were like the first consumer generation. So they bought stuff. A lot of stuff. Where did we walk around this weekend? Midland. What was it? Midland Antiques. Yeah, it's in downtown Indianapolis. Yeah, I can't remember the specific name of it. And as we were walking around there, I just kept thinking, look at all this stuff. Part of it is that, you know, this meant something. to someone at some time. This bust of Jimmy Carter that I saw sitting on the shelf. I think somebody bought that. I think somebody did. We heard him talking about it. But yeah, at some point, that meant something to someone. But you have all of those antiques, and a lot of it was good quality stuff because it wasn't made with cheap plastics. I mean, some of the wood furniture that they have there. Right. Today things are made to be disposable. You buy it. You use it for whatever. A couple years, five years, ten years. But it's built of poor quality. And then you get rid of it. change and you get a new one. Yeah, not back then. They built things to last for a long time. And they're still around. Yeah, that ugly couch just won't fall apart no matter how much you want it to. How much you try. It may look horrendous and it may need to restuff it and recover it, but the bones that they built that old furniture with were fantastic. I think you have to walk a fine line there when your parents are trying to, you know, gift you something that maybe was sentimental to them. Hoping that you'll take. it and see sentimentality to it. It's kind of like, okay. It is a fine line to walk in the family dynamic. And my parents have done that to me recently a couple of times in the last few years. They're like, hey, we're getting rid of some stuff. We've got this. Do you want it? And we've been pairing down how much stuff we have now that we're empty nesters. And I told them in both occasions. I said, thank you for thinking of me. I really appreciate it. But no. But no. But no. Mom and dad, thanks so much. I got my own issues over here. I practically need my own storage unit with all the crap. I got in our place. We're trying to pair it out too. Right, exactly. And our daughter doesn't want it. No, she doesn't want everybody's just trying to hand it down their junk to the next generation. Next generation's like, no thank you. Give me something valuable. How about, how about? A comic book that's worth $9 million. Now you're talking. We'll talk about that coming up. It is The Hammer and Nigel show. It's 93 WIBC. By the way, we got an update. We were talking about the antique place we went to over the weekend. Yeah.

The place downtown, it's Midland Arts and Antiques. Is that right? Midland Arts and Antiques Market on Michigan Street. Two floors. It's so much stuff. Very cool place. Yeah, we spent some time walking around and looking at everything. Did not find a $9 million comic book, though. So a copy of a Superman, number one, was discovered in San Francisco. in an attic by three brothers. And it recently sold at a Texas auction for $9.12 million, making it the most expensive comic book ever sold. Yeah, this is, and so comic books have been collected. I mean, it kind of started in the 60s, picked up a little bit in the 70s. This comic book was made, I believe, in 1938. It's the very first Superman comic. 39. 39, okay, because I was close. But I mean, Superman, one of the absolute top superheroes of all time. What's interesting about this is so people get these comic books and they get graded and for their quality and how well-conditioned they are. This thing has been sitting around for almost 100 years in somebody's attic. They brought this to this company to grade. It ended up getting the highest grade. ever in history for any of these Superman comics, and something that is extraordinarily popular. So these guys just absolutely stumbled into a gold mine. And I saw one of the interesting things about this was their mom lived in Northern California, which is a very temperate climate. The temperature doesn't change a whole lot, low humidity, and she stored it in a non-climate controlled place like an attic. And that's why it was preserved so well for so long if they had been someplace else like, you know, where it gets a lot of... rain, certainly Pacific Northwest, a lot of humidity. This thing would have been totally trash by now, but it retained its condition over almost 100 years. Heritage Auctions did it, did the auction, and the vice president said that the comic book had a firm spine, vibrant colors, and crisp corners. And it rated it a 9.0 out of 10, maybe. It could have got a 9.8 if they would have just sent it to somebody. Like I said, this comic book came out almost 100 years ago. People who can collect in comics and getting them graded for decades and decades. And this one all of a sudden happens to be the highest graded copy in the world. That's why it's the most expensive comic book that's ever sold. Yeah, these brothers were just cleaning out their mom's attic and stumbled across this. What's fascinating is their mom died in 2020 and they just cleaned out. just found it this year. So they waited five years. Mom passed away in 2020. Correct. And they waited until 2025 to clean up. Yeah, they didn't, or they didn't get to it. They just took their time, I guess, and did a little bit on the weekends. But yeah, it took them five years after their mom passed away before they found this. As soon as they did, got it granted and sold that thing. The brothers and the buyer who coughed up $9 million, all remaining anonymous. It is The Hammer and Nigel show. It's 93 WIBC. Are you just waiting for your AI Overlord to take over? Can't wait.

I know you are. It is the Hammer and Nigel show. However, Hammer and Nigel have the day off. My name is Casey. That is Jim. So let's talk about AI and data centers and all of it for just a second. So there is an AI industry super PAC and they're launching a $10 million campaign called Leading the Future. And it is to push Congress to create a national AI policy and it would override any state AI laws. Yeah, the problem is. States are starting to pass a ton of AI laws, and it's kind of a patchwork that are all different. And so these national groups are like, it's really difficult for us to figure out the rules in these 50 different states. Hey, federal government, how about you come with some unifying kind of rules, how we manage this going forward. So far, none of Donald Trump's executive orders today have prioritized any safeguards when it comes to AI. And they're not putting anything out there to change any of the state. AI regulations. Yeah, AI, you know, is a big, it's kind of the current boogeyman. Everybody is up in arms over everything related to AI. Look, there's a huge future. There's going to be a ton of amazing benefits that come out of AI. There's going to be a lot of bad stuff that comes out of AI. But I think from the federal government perspective, we need to be really careful how we regulate it. Because guess who's not regulating AI? China. Russia, North Korea, Iran, all of our enemies. They regulate everything their people do. Yeah, but it's not, yeah, but the state is going to take care of it. I mean, they live under authoritarian regimes, and so the people just kind of do all the grunt work. There's not a lot of innovation coming out of North Korea, but the state certainly invest a lot into this. And state operations like China and Russia and North Korea, I guarantee you, they're trying to develop AI just as fast as we are. And if we put handcuffs on, you know, American innovation, we're going to look up in five or ten years from now, and Russia and China are going to be leading the AI. AI wars and we're going to be way, way behind. So Donald Trump does support a federal AI standard. He posted that the U.S. must have one federal standard instead of a patchwork of 50 state regulatory regimes. He just wants one message consistent across the country. And there was allegedly a draft executive order that was circulating. But now you've got this. Super PAC, which is being funded by Palantir is one of them. And, you know, they're in the business of surveillance. And again, look, a lot of... They are. I guess I come at this, like I said, from the perspective of... we don't operate in a vacuum here in this country. And if we want to handcuff innovation in AI, then we're going to look up in five or ten years and we're going to be, you know, behind the eight ball. And China and Russia and Iran and all these other countries are going to be way ahead of us. And yeah, there's a lot of bad that can come from AI. I completely agree with that. But there is going to be an incredible amount of good. Here's the...

It is coming whether we like it or not. And it's going to happen whether we like it or not. So we might as well lead the way and take charge as it relates to AI and get as many of the good benefits out of it as possible while doing what we can to mitigate what's going to be bad out of AI. This pack started over the summer with $100 million in funding. And now they're going to be using TV, digital, social media ads and also intricate organizations. with thousands of people calling lawmakers offices in a single week. So beginning in January, probably going through the midterms, expect to be seeing and hearing a lot more about this national AI policy. If you are sick of hearing people talk about AI, you are going to be really miserable. Hang on, pal. It is not going away. I mean, this is going to be the dominant thing that is happening in our country as far as technology is concerned for the next five or ten years easy. And there are going to be a lot of great things that come out of it. Look, we're going to get. self-driving cars figured out eventually. That's going to happen. And think of all of that is going to change for the better so much of what we do. For starters, probably going to be a lot less car accidents, a lot less deaths than injuries on the roads. Can you imagine somebody that's got, you know, say, an hour-long commute into work, that all of a sudden... They can work while they're... They can work. They can watch Netflix. They can make phone calls. They can do whatever they want on that. I mean, think about the productivity gains that are going to happen with self-driving cars. Well, this all kind of rolls. into the data center conversation and now residents in Pike Township they're concerned about the proposed data center there there's a project that is calling for 20,000 square foot a facility there it's currently on wooded land and they want to turn it into a big data center they've got a meeting coming up on December 10th at 7 p.m and they're going to review the rezoning of that area. And Amazon planning a $15 billion new data center campus in northern Indiana. This is up by Hobart. It's incredible how much money people like Amazon and Google, they're putting into all of these data centers all across Indiana and the country. And when we think about the data centers here in Indiana, That's nothing compared to what's going on in some other states. Yeah, Virginia's got over 600 data centers. And look, just to be clear, I'm not a big fan of the way, while I am, you know, see the positives of AI, I'm not a big fan of the way the data centers are happening. Now, I don't have a problem with data centers on their face, but it's the subsidies that are happening. It's the fact that a lot of these communities don't want them in there and they're being jammed down their throats. It's the massive use of resources like water. Yeah, I've got a problem with all of that. These data centers are all eventually going to get built. And the utility costs being passed on to the consumer.

Sure, the electric utility costs. Yeah, all of those are issues, and I've got a problem with all of them. But look, these data centers are going to get built somewhere eventually. And, hey, maybe these multi-trillion dollar companies like Nvidia and Amazon and Google that are building these data centers, maybe they're just going to have to build them and not get tax breaks. That'd be nice. Maybe they're just going to have to build them and figure out a way to power them themselves so that the utility rates don't go up for everybody else. If you can afford a $15 billion. Data Center campus, sorry, you don't need a tax break. But they're going to pit communities within states and then states against each other for these. Because there are going to be benefits to these states. Maybe, I don't know. At least that's their pitch. Okay, fine. Put them all in Illinois if you want to. Great. Let Illinois give them all the tax breaks. I'm all fine with that. But these data centers are coming. I would just like to have them happen where we're not giving tax breaks for them, where they're supported by the communities where they're in. they're going to be using power that doesn't affect the utility rates for everybody else. That's the problem I have with data centers, not the data centers themselves. The mayor of Hobart, where this $15 billion data center campus is going in, said that... Amazon is going to cover the full cost of the infrastructure. They will also create construction jobs, although those are temporary. Very temporary. And it would also generate nearly a thousand long-term jobs. But will they be jobs for Hoosiers? Yeah, maybe, maybe not. And again, I'm all four communities making this decision on their own. And it happened in Franklin Township. Franklin Township didn't want that data center there. Great. It's not there right now. Now, they're going to come back and try it again. But if these communities want these data centers there, and it's fully transparent and the public knows what they're getting. And if they want to take it here in Indiana and certain communities, great. If there are communities in Illinois or Kentucky or Ohio that want to take them, wonderful. But the problem I have with is when there's... There's not transparency, and they're jammed down local community's throats to, you know, when the community opposes them. I wanted to draw your attention to this guy. His name is James Fishback, and he just announced his run for governor of Florida. And listen to all of the things that he stands against. My name is James Fishback, and I'm running to succeed Ron DeSantis as Florida's next Republican governor. I'm running for Florida governor so I can make life more affordable for you and your family. Easier to afford groceries, to buy a home, to raise a family, and when it's all said and done, to retire with dignity. I'll do that by stopping the H-1B scam so our workers, especially our college grads can get jobs again. I'll tell Blackstone, Airbnb, and foreign investors that, no, in Florida, you can't buy our homes because our homes are for families. And I'll stop the construction. any AI data center that threatens to raise our electricity bills or poison our water supply. And I'll completely and totally eliminate property taxes for every Florida resident because in America, you don't rent your home from the government. You own it free and clear.

Can I vote for him? His name is James Fishback. That is my new favorite guy. Man, did he tick off all the things? He just announced his Canada C yesterday. Clearly, he's coming across as a populist. Like, he wants to do all of these things. Actually, executing them is another, but he's been taking some shots at Republican Rep Brian Donald's, who has... Donald Trump's endorsement in Florida. But I feel like I would be one of those people who, you remember the story of the people in Kentucky who were showing up at polling stations who wanted to vote against Zohran Mamdani. In the New York City, May oral race. Yes, that was a real story a couple of weeks ago. Yes, I do remember that. Can I hear an Indiana vote for that guy in Florida? We'll see where it ends up. What is Toyota affordability? It's buying smart. Your local Toyota dealer has great deals available today on RAV-4, Grand Highlander, Camry, and Corolla, with the features and style you deserve. It means driving for less, with hybrid and plug-in hybrid options across the lineup, delivering great MPGs. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles, meaning your car will hold its value for years to come. Shop Toyota.com to find out more. Toyota, let's go places. Friday night on the circle is going to be colorful. It is the 63rd annual circle of lights. IMPD says that they're aware of the recent shootings that happen at Christmas tree lighting events in Chicago and also in North Carolina and that public safety is their top priority. Lots of people are expected to be coming downtown for the... tree lighting ceremony. Yeah, fingers crossed. I mean, that was a terrible story in Chicago where they had those shootings and some killings that happened at their tree lighting there. So I like to see that statement from my NPD and fingers crossed that Friday night happens safely and securely for everybody that goes downtown and enjoys the lights. We can see the monument right outside the window here, the WIBC Studios. Looks great. They've done a lot of work on it. I was surprised at how fast they wrapped up the construction on the monument. You were surprised by that? It's been going on forever. Okay. Let me clarify on that. Yes, it has been going on forever. And last time I was here, just several weeks ago, it looked like they still had a lot to do. And it looks like they finished the end in record time. Yeah. So you've got the stage, which is going to be located on the north end of Monument Circle. And pedestrian traffic is going to be open east and west of market and South Meridian. The performances start at 5 p.m. Santa will arrive and lights get turned on at. 650. I don't know what the forecast is for Friday. I imagine it'll be cold. It'll be cold. Once the sun goes down. Yeah, it's going to be chilly. Dressed appropriately, IMPD says that they're urging parents to monitor your children and plan ahead. Have you ever done that ever in your life gone like downtown and seen the big tree. And not monitored my child? The big tree lighting ceremony. No. I did that one time when I was a kid. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. In one year, we all went down. I had, you know, My parents and four kids and my grandma, who was living with us at the time, all went downtown Chicago on Michigan Avenue to see the tree light up and then walk around Michigan Avenue to see all the decorations on the stores, you know, the store displays. But, well, you got to want it. It was a lot of work. It's a lot different. You're not coming downtown on the circle now to see store displays. Right. This was, you know, 40 years ago or more. But it was great, but I mean, a great, great family thing to do.

So you've got a new nerd wallet survey that says 31% of holiday shoppers. They're still paying for last Christmas. That would. Yikes. Yeah. I, um. That would make me want to just throw up in my own lap if I was still paying for last year's Christmas presents. That means that you overspent last year, right? So you've got the U.S. credit card debt hit $1.23 trillion. Is that a lot? That sounds like a lot. When you say that number out loud, that really sounds like a lot of money. It's up $24 billion from the previous quarter. So that was just in third quarter of this past year. $1.23 trillion. Yeah, that's a lot of credit card debt at 18% plus a year interest. Yeah. So they say this, here's some financial advice. Make a complete holiday budget for gifts, food, decorations, and events. And they just cut it in half. Is that what it was? No, that's my advice. That needs to be our advice. Yeah, just consider alternate celebrations that costs little or nothing. Like maybe going downtown and seeing some pretty lights. But let's talk about some Thanksgiving recipe trends really quick. Google shared their most searched Thanksgiving side dishes and pies in the United States. What do you think the top side dish search is? So side dishes do not include pies? Or do they include pies? No. Okay, so side dish doesn't include pie. Side dishes does include pie and the number one searched Thanksgiving side dish. I'm going to say it's mashed potatoes. No. No? What? It's not even on the list. Come on. Stuffing. Number one. Okay, I get that. Yeah. Followed by the green bean casserole, sweet potato casserole, cranberry sauce, and then deviled egg. Okay, so I'm going to guess that they based that survey off of how many times that item is searched. So it's not necessarily what's the most popular item that's served. It is the most searched. It's the most searched. So my guess is every one of those people are, for the most part, are searching for recipes and mashed potatoes. You really don't. You don't need a recipe for mashed potatoes. Mess that up. Yeah, potatoes, a little bit of butter, a little bit of cream. Oh, wait, I know how somebody can mess that out. Don't even. Why are we going down this road here? You are a mashed potato purist. That's true. Which I love that. Yeah. Because everybody tries to fancy up their mashed potatoes. They put onions in there or garlic or chicken broth or cheese or something like that. You like just straight potatoes, butter, cream, that's it. Yeah. And I know one Thanksgiving, somebody tried to put. a package of Lipton onion soup mix in the mashed potatoes. Is that my dad? I think so. My dad did that one year. He thought he was doing something special, like making it nice for us. He had a good heart in it. He was like, oh, I'm going to jazz up these mashed potatoes and make them special because it's Thanksgiving. I still ate them, and the family's all here. And you go straight into those mashed potatoes. I remember seeing the look on your face, you're like, oh, boy, this ain't good. This ain't good. This ain't good.

This is not good. Now, I probably loved them because I love all that extra stuff in mashed potatoes, but you are purists. You went back for seconds. So the number one side dish in Indiana is stuffing. Yeah. I can see that. That's the number one side dish. That makes a lot of sense. It is, I mean, a very popular. I mean, it's got to be right up there. I mean, that's what you think of when you think of Thanksgiving. You got your turkey at cranberry and then you got your mashed potatoes and stuff. Okay. And before we get your news update here in just a sec, the top pie search across the country. And again, well, but I mean, you kind of need a recipe for every pie. Okay, let me guess the top pie search is. Pumpkin pie. Yes, that's correct. I mean, that's the most popular one. Wait, they have number two? Apple pie, then chocolate pie, pecan pie, and then sweet potato pie. And the number one most favorite pie in Indiana. Is it the sugar cream pie? It's not. It's not. It's not. That's like our hometown pie. For Thanksgiving. Okay. They say it's apple pie. Apple pie. All American. The heartland here of America. We got as American as apple pie. Yeah. Let's get your news update. It is The Hammer and Nigel show on 93 WIBC. The federal communications commissioner, Brendan Carr, he supports relaxing ownership rules, and that is to allow broadcasters, like us, to compete with big tech. However, Donald Trump, he opposes lifting the national ownership cap. It's currently at 39% of U.S. households. So that's what, that's from a television standpoint. I can own enough televisions in the country, television stations in the country, to cover 39% of the country's households. And then when I get to 39%, I can't buy any more TV stations. Right. And yesterday, Sinclair Broadcasting, they proposed buying out the remainder of Scripps shares, and that will increase their stake even more. And that deal. may not happen. If Donald Trump has his way, he says no, but the FCC chair says, yeah, it's okay. Sinclair, they appear to be kind of confident, though, that the cap's going to be lifted eventually. So they can surpass any of these. regulations. Yeah, so local TV, like all traditional media, certainly under a lot of challenges the last, you know, 10 or 20 years, what has really kept local TV going is live sports and the political dollars that they get. All the political dollars every other year, there's a...

you know a midterm election and then two years later there's a midterm at a presidential election um and the television stations local television stations get absolutely just dump trucks full of money from that and local sports has done it really well so those two things are really kind of holding up local television stations from a financial standpoint but the other thing that these massive TV owners want to do is they get economies of scale. So when they buy more TV stations, they can cut costs and centralized productions and make their businesses more profitable. And that's what Sinclair is looking to do with Scripps here. And in Indianapolis, we have one station. Our TV is owned by Scripps. And if Sinclair has its way and can get the federal government to agree, it'll soon be owned by Sinclair, which I believe Sinclair is still the largest television. Broadcast ownership group in the country. They have just one station. in Indiana. Is that right? I'd have to look. I know they have stations in Indiana. They certainly have one in South Bend, Indiana. I don't know if they have any others, but Scripps is the largest television broadcaster in the entire country. And looking to get larger. And looking to get even larger by buying up Scripps, what remaining stations they have left. TSA investigating after a passenger in Portland brought a meat cleaver through security. Are you not supposed to do that? Is that outlawed now? What, guys can't have fun at the airport anymore? Can't be bringing my meat cleaver through TSA? TSA says they're taking the matter seriously and they're looking at corrective actions, including additional training for security screening staff. How did somebody get a meat cleaver past that? It seems like every time we... TSA does prohibit meat cleavers and carry on bags. Well, not a surprise. I would expect them to. How does somebody get... Every time I fly and I go through TSA, they're always finding... I get... Holdovers for special screenings. My bag gets separated for special screenings. You feel like you're getting a prostate exam when you go through that. I could have like, you know, an inch of water in a water bottle and accidentally leave that in my backpack. They're going to catch that every single time. Oh. My toothpaste is too big to go through in TSA. It's bigger than three ounces. Whatever the limit is. All of those things. They seem to catch every single one of those mistakes that I make when I go through TSA. But this guy's got a meat cleaver right this way, sir. Right. Don't you come right through here. You and your. meat cleaver have a wonderful flight. The TSA person must have not been paying attention to the screen as it went through the x-ray machine. I guess so. That's what I'm guessing happen. Wait, what is it? Where are you going and traveling that you bring you? You know what? I got my socks. I got a couple extra shirts. I got all my, you know, toothbrush, toothpay. Meat cleaver. That's what I forgot. Honey, would you go grab the meat cleaver so I could put it in my carry-on badge? What are you doing where you travel with a meat cleaver? You can have pound out some chicken, I guess, right? So got to do that. So artificial Christmas trees have been one of the hardest hit holiday staples. One company has had to increase their prices. Well, they say they've had to increase their prices by 10%. And they're blaming it on tariffs. Of course they are. That's a nice easy thing to blame everything on. Every business in the entire country right now. If they're raising prices, they're like, oh, we had to. Tariffs. Sorry. Yep. So you've got.

Republican Senator Ron Johnson, not stereo salesman. Not Mike Johnson's stereo salesman from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Ron Johnson, he's from Wisconsin, and he's known as a leading fiscal hawk in the Senate, right? He says the country can't afford President Trump's proposal to send out $2,000 in tariff dividend checks. So how about they just do with less? The government do with less? Never. Hey, next thing you know, you're going to ask local government here in Indiana to do with less. No, no, no. That's not going to happen. Why is it never about us? It's never about the taxpayers. The government can't afford for them to send you $2,000 tariff check. Government only gets bigger. It is the only path for government. They will always get bigger and they've got their money and you just got to deal with what you've got. They say that if they were actually to do that. that the annual payout could cost $600 billion. Oh, I didn't know Trump was talking about doing it every year. I thought that was like a one-time, like the COVID checks. Remember we got the COVID checks in the mail? I thought that's what we were talking about, like a one-time $2,000 payment. And now we were talking about doing it every year. Ron Johnson's, his numbers are saying if you do it annually. By the way, the Congressional Budget Office projects $2.8 trillion over 10 years if you do these. You were to send out $2,000. Trump tariff checks to every American homeowner. Okay. Came across this guy and he's got a tip. So big Thanksgiving meal coming up, maybe you've got someone at the table who doesn't like what is served at Thanksgiving dinner. And here's a guy with the Gen X hotline. Gen X parent and hotline, where consequences still matter. How can I help you? Your child hasn't eaten his dinner in two weeks. Well, what's the little fellow's name? Skyler with two wives. And if Schuyler with two wives ever gotten a spanking in his whole life, you don't believe in that. I know how to help you. You're going to go to the Walmart and you're going to buy two pounds of ground meat. You're going to bring that home and you're going to make a meatloaf. On top of that meatloaf, you're going to put a red mystery sauce. As a side, it's going to be a scoop of mixed vegetables. Now, for dinner that night, Skyler is going to cry and he's going to carry on and you are not going to let him. let him up until it's bedtime. He's going to go to bed hungry. You might want to get you some earmuffs because it's going to be very loud. In the morning, whenever Schuyler with Two Eyes wakes up, he's going to want his pop tarts or maybe some Captain Crunch, and you're going to put that. cold meatloaf with the congealed red sauce in front of him. And he's also not going to eat that. You are going to repeat this until Schuyler eats his dinner. No one in the history of Planet Milky Way has ever voluntarily starved themselves. He will not die. And you need to get rid of one of those wives in his name or he's going to get beat up in school. Thank you. That's how I grew up. Meatloaf. That's how I grew up. I grew up. I grew up that way. so much in fact. I can recall one dinner.

There was potato salad, and I didn't like it, didn't want to eat it. And I sat at that kitchen table until it was bedtime. And to this day, I don't like potato salad because of that traumatic experience. Now, do you think you're a picky eater? It didn't cure you of your pickiness when it comes to food? No. See, but it did be. I am not a picky eater at all. I'll pretty much eat anything. I can't think of any food that I don't like. And I think I attribute it to the fact that if I... I didn't eat what was for dinner that night. I wasn't eating anything. And it was going to be served to me for breakfast the next morning. And that was what was going to be served to me until I ate. And so I just ate it. And I just eat anything now. Yeah. And now you want some meatloaf for dinner. All that bit did was make me want meatloaf. Oh, I absolutely. Hungry. Hungry for the meatloaf. With the red sauce? I don't know what they make that red sauce out of. It's obviously ketchup based, but it's not just normal ketchup. It's so good. So do you remember a while ago we had lots of conversations about TikTok and what was going on with the TikTok deal? Oh, TikTok being sold? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And how it was going to go away from us. It was gone. We were keeping it. No, it's going to go away. No, you get it back. Well, there is a senator at Ed Markey. He's from Massachusetts. Yesterday, he was asking Donald Trump for details about the deal to keep TikTok available in the United States. States. Have you heard anything? No, I haven't heard it. Last I heard was it was going to be sold to a consortium. And Larry Ellison, the billionaire, was going to be one of the investors in this new company that was going to be buying the American version of TikTok. So Ed Markey, he was accusing Donald Trump of violating the law by delaying enforcement in using the ban as leverage for political allies. He was very critical at the lack of transparency. for TikTok's 170 million users. Have they done anything to make life more affordable? Focus on that. Have we done anything about the auto control health care costs, rising utility rates, taxes, people being able to afford to live in their homes? No, but let's get on this TikTok thing right now. This is the most. We've got to get this TikTok thing figured out before we give you as a taxpayer any relief. You know, we started the show and Rob Kendall was joining us and we were talking about the redistricting. He was asking the question, what will be the next boogeyman? Maybe it's this. Back to TikTok. It's already been a boogeyman once. We can bring it back again. It could be the boogeyman. It is. It's the Hammer and Nigel show. It's 93 WIBC. Okay, so we've got a programming note tomorrow during the Hammer and Nigel show. I believe it will be Ethan Hatcher and Jerry Lopez filling in. Yes. And on the Kendall and Casey show, I think it's Craig Susan Collins filling in. Actually, I think it's best of. Oh, you're right. Yeah, Kevin was in here earlier before the show started. I was talking to Kevin, the Kendall and Casey show, and he said that he was busy putting together a Best of show for tomorrow. Best of Kendall and Casey tomorrow. And then Ethan Hatcher, Jerry Lopez, in for Hammer and Nigel, because you and I are going to hit the road. A new Thanksgiving tradition for us. One of the 82 million people in this country that will be traveling for the holidays. We're two of them. You ready for a nice 10-hour drive in the car? It's going to be something new.

Our daughter's going to be doing Thanksgiving. In her little apartment in Baltimore. She's just going to be the three of us. We're going to help her out, but we've been texting back and forth. This is one of the texts. Do you have a mixer? No, we don't have a mixer. Okay, we'll bring a mixer. Do you have a potato? Okay, we'll bring a potato. Do you have a can opener? Yes, we have a can opener. Okay, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes. It'll be a stripped down Thanksgiving, but there's still going to be turkey and mashed potatoes. and pies, it's going to be great. And the three of us will be together and that's going to be the most important thing. I can't wait to hug her. I'm so excited to see her. Somebody sent me a message on Twitter. They said that one of their family traditions is that they alternate every other year with a traditional Thanksgiving and then they do a non-traditional Thanksgiving meal the next year. Interesting. I wonder what classifies as a non-traditional, just no turkey. I mean, just different dishes. Maybe pizza, lasagna, something like that, burgers. Yeah. We used to have a tradition that we stole from Bob and Tom, and we did it for years. We did a Thanksgiving tradition. With our extended families, we did pie noon. Right, pie noon. And it is where before you eat your Thanksgiving dinner, at noon, you have pie. You have all the desserts first. And so, yeah, we did that. And then my sister and her family started doing it. My other sister and her family, my parents do it. It kind of spread out beyond our immediate family to our extended family. They all still do it. We kind of stopped doing it a few years ago. But my extended family still does pie noon every single year. We should bring it back. We should. We have three pies. There's three of us going to be attending Thanksgiving dinner. We bought three pies. Well, you know, we're going to have something for breakfast while we're at our daughter's apartment. Nothing like pumpkin pie and coffee for breakfast on Friday on Black Friday morning. Yeah, that's what we're going to do, okay? It's going to be so good. I claim the cherry pie. You can have all the cherry pie you want. There's three pies for three people. Thank you, Jim, for coming in. Thank you, Allison. Excellent job today. And thank you for listening. Have a wonderful, happy Thanksgiving. And I'll catch you back Monday at 9 a.m. on 93 WIBC. What is Toyota affordability? It all starts with Buying Smart. and your Toyota dealer has great deals available to qualified customers on reliable cars and SUVs, including the redesigned RAV-4, spacious Grand Highlander, sporty Camrys, and Corolla's. It means driving for less, with efficient hybrid and plug-in hybrid options available throughout the lineup, extending your overall driving range and delivering great MPGs, saving you money at the pump. And it means trading for more. Toyota is known for building long-lasting vehicles. And as the best resale value brand, according to Kelly Blue Book, your Toyota can be worth thousands more than average when it's time to trade in. That's Toyota affordability. Buy smart, drive for less, and trade for more. Shop Toyota.com or your local dealer for deals and details. Vehicles projected resale value is specific to the 2026 model year. For more information, visit Kelly BlueBookskb.com. Toyota brand average resale value is 53% versus the average vehicle at 45%. Toyota, let's go places.

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