All Talk with Kevin Dietz ~ April 7, 2026 ~ Full Show

Good Tuesday morning. Welcome into the 9 o'clock hour of all talk. I'm Kevin Dietz, along with Marie Osborne, bringing you the latest headlines and the stories that everyone is talking about. Smith, left to the floor, layup doesn't go, pulled knocked around, flood down the floor. Carabank trying to track it down, and he will. And it's over. Hail to the champions. Hail to Michigan. For the first time in 37 years, the Wolverines win the national title. And now there is one, one. And that one is the Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team. What you watched last night, that doesn't happen often. In fact, almost never. Michigan just won a national championship their first since 1989. That's 37 years. And for the Big Ten, it's been since 2000, more than two decades, of coming close and falling short. Until now. And this one wasn't easy. This one wasn't pretty. It wasn't one of those games where everything goes right. This was grit and toughness. This was a team that said, we're in this together. Shots were not falling. The rhythm was not there. But they found another way. It's called defense, effort, execution. And when it mattered most, they made the plays. That's coaching. That's Dusty May second year. And he builds a team that doesn't care who scores, who gets the credit, who gets the headline, as long as they win. That is amazing, and that is worth celebrating. And these players, they chose that. They chose to be unselfish. They chose to sacrifice. They chose to be part of something bigger than themselves. I love that. Because in a world where everything is about me, me, me, this team was about we. And that's why this matters beyond basketball, because you don't have to have gone to Michigan to be proud of this. You don't. You don't have to know the difference between a rebound and a double dribble to feel this. This is about young men coming together, trusting each other, playing for each other, and achieving something almost nobody gets to achieve. And I love that. And how about the fans? The fans who made the trip to Indianapolis wearing the maze in blue filling that building with energy. The fans in Ann Arbor sleeping in tents just to get a chance to watch on TV at their favorite bar. The fans across Michigan who stayed up late on a Monday night knowing they had to work the next day but saying, I'm not missing this because you know you were watching something rare. Moments like this, they connect people. Across generations, across cities, across backgrounds. Because somewhere last night, a dad was watching with his son, a mom was watching with her daughter, friends were texting each other, families were cheering, and for a few hours, it wasn't about everything else going on in the world. It was about a team, a moment, a shared experience. And those don't come around often. So let's hold on to it and remember it.

What we watched last night was earned, and that's worth celebrating. And if you stayed up late enough to watch one shining moment at the very end, you saw all the teams in the tournament, giving their best, the joy of victory, and the agony of defeat. I love that. And at the end, Michigan held up the trophy for all of the Big Ten, for all of the state of Michigan. And in that moment, you felt like saying, it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine. Marie, did you watch? I just watched a tiny bit of the game last night due to some other things that were going on. But it was absolutely exciting, just like you said. We have a U of M family, lots of folks who went to U of M. So it was a big celebration. In fact, we had West Coasters who were also watching. It was a big deal. But here at home and Ann Arbor, well. The celebrating turned to a little mayhem in several spots. Couches and hay bales and other furniture were set of fire. Students lit more than 40 fires across Ann Arbor last night. Hundreds of students took over South University and nearby streets right around 11 o'clock. They set off fireworks and they climbed anything they could find. We're talking light poles, shoulders. They were on top of trees and fences. Then the celebrations turned into neighboring, into surrounding. surrounding neighborhoods, lots of car honking, lots of cheers. Two people were arrested over the course of the night, according to a spokesperson for the Ann Arbor Police. The Ann Arbor Police Department also announced that the championship parade will be scheduled in the coming days. And of course, we'll keep you updated on that. Donald Trump has taken to truth social this morning, and this is what he has said. A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change, we're different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionary, wonderful, can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight. One of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran. This was Donald Trump talking before he made that true social post. We have a plan because of the power of our military where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant. in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock, and it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to happen. He says he will not move this deadline. We're giving them till tomorrow, 8 o'clock, Eastern Time. I can tell you they're negotiating. We think in good faith. We're getting the help of some incredible countries that want this to be... ended because it affects them also. A lot of people are affected by this. They have till tomorrow. Now, we'll see what happens. He also put on blast the countries who he says have not been helpful at all. Think of it. And it's not just NATO. You know who else didn't help us? South Korea didn't help us. You know who else didn't help us? Australia didn't help us. You know who else didn't help us? Japan.

We have 50,000 soldiers in Japan to protect them from North Korea. We have 45,000 soldiers in South Korea. The world is watching as the deadline nears. And as for the Iranians, Iranian officials are urging young people to form human chains to protect their power plants. This is, again, just hours before the expiration of President Trump's latest deadline for Iran to open the Strait of Hermuz. That is 8 o'clock tonight. It is the final warning, as we just heard. This president specifically threatening to destroy power plants and bridges. Iran's president says 14 million people, including him. have volunteered to fight. While Iran cannot match U.S. and raise Israeli air power, its blockade of the strait through which one-fifth of the world's oil normally flows is already rattling the global markets and intensifying pressure on President Trump to diffuse this standoff. I think a... barrel of oils at $114 right now. That's right. We'll keep an eye on the markets this morning too. From there, yeah. Hey, tickets are now on sale for the 2026 Rocket Classic at Detroit Golf Club with significantly reduced prices for fans. The PGA Tour event will take place July 30th through August 2nd at the newly renovated course. Advanced ticket prices are up to 50% lower than last year, starting at $31.30 for opening day. Price increases after June 30th, encouraging early purchases for best value. New parking options have been added at the Lawrence Tech University in Oakland Mall with shuttle services to the course. The Detroit Golf Club has undergone a $16 million renovation, restoring its historic design while increasing difficulty. Organizers say the changes are aimed at improving accessibility and fan experience. The event continues its community impact, having contributed more than $10 million to local charities since. 2019. We're going to take a quick break. We've got a lot to talk about. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deas. It's All Talk on a Tuesday morning. I'm Kevin Dietz coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-859-0-9-7-1-800-8-9-0-WJR. Well, watching President Donald Trump's press conference yesterday was wild because for a big part of it, he talked about the dramatic rescue mission deep inside Iran, rescuing these airmen that were shot down. It was an unbelievably... proud moment for America. He was injured quite badly and stranded in an area, teeming with terrorists from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps rough group, as well as besieged militia and local authorities. Many on top of everything else, they told the...

communities actually within side of Iran, the people of Iran, they were given a tremendous incentive to find this pilot. Despite the peril, the officer followed his training and climbed into the treacherous mountain terrain and started climbing toward a higher altitude, something they were trained to do in order to evade capture. They want to always go as far away from the site. of the shoot down. You want to go as far away because they all head right to that site. You want to be as far away as you can. And he was injured and he was an amazing, amazing thing. He scaled cliff faces, bleeding rather profusely, treated his own wounds and... contacted American forces to transmit his location. The rescue was incredible, just a military feat. I don't think any other country in the world could have pulled something like this off, and it was risky, and we went in, and the rescue was successful. It was incredible. Before the press conference was over, though, he was talking about this deadline with Iran and this morning tweeting, a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again if this deadline is not met. We have a plan because of the power of our military where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant. in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock, and it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to happen. Let's bring in James David Dixon, host of the James Dixon podcast. Good morning, sir. How are you? Hey, good morning, Kevin. Boy, that's a lot. I mean, it's like a roller coaster. I could not be prouder and more excited for our military and for the families of those downpilots who are going to be coming home safely, incredible. And then it's hard not to be just terrified of the idea of this deadline passing and what this could mean. You know, Kevin, we have to make a distinction here between a military that is very good at what it does. and the political leadership who sent the military to do things whose goals are unclear, whose aims are unclear, whose deadline is unclear. Like, how will we know when we can stop, right? That's always my big question when we started COVID or the Iraq War or now the Iran War. How do you know when you can stop, when you start resorting to extreme measures? And so, yes, the rescue was great, but I do think it's fair to ask why he was there in the first place.

Yeah, no, absolutely. And that is the question. And I think that's the question that people are going to ask is, should we have been there? What were the goals, which we've been over a bunch of times, were they achieved? And if they were, why didn't we get out of there? Because we didn't talk about regime change when we went in. We talked about no nukes. We talked about ballistic missiles. We talked about no more money for the proxies. And now all those things have happened. But we didn't leave. And why didn't we leave because of politics of oil? and our inability to guarantee that the Straits of Hermuz will remain open. So how do you do that now? I mean, that could be something that takes years or decades to do, or they could come to some agreement, I guess, before this deadline, that they're going to open it up. But if they don't, I don't know what this massive bombing is going to do. If it's going to change anything with the Straits of Hermose, I don't think anybody knows. You know, it sounds like a little bit of mission creep, you know. First, we want the regime out, then the nukes, then, you know, now it's about trade. These justifications, it's like follow the bouncing ball, you know. And so we have to be careful of that. When you look at World War I, World War II, what tends to happen is once the military conflict is joined, then there's this mentality that the only right thing you can do is just support the, and I get that we want to support the troops. But what if the best way to support the troops is by directing their energies elsewhere? So I think the average American is less worried about an Iranian nuclear bomb and more about the foreign population bomb that's been set out in the city where they live. I hate to think that any of this is about the midterms, but it's hard not to think some of it is about politics and keeping power and what happens next. And I think that if Trump had gone in and hit and said, look, we believe that they still had nuclear capabilities. We couldn't allow it. We pushed that back another 10 years or 20 years or whatever they decided to say, and they got out of there. They might have been able to. you know, come away from this thing successfully. But they're there still. We're there still. And now getting out looks like, you know, a negative for the midterms for the Republicans, anything short of a total regime change in the Straits of Hormuz being open up. Oh, I would disagree there. I think the most important thing is to get out. No, I do too. I just don't think they're going to do it. Because if we're going to take it to the idea that they can never not only have nukes, which I'm sure a lot of people agree with, but they can never try to get nukes, they can never have capability. What you're saying is there shouldn't be a place called Iran that's run by those people. And that is regime change. And that is not what a single Donald Trump voter signed up for. And so I'd like to see regime change in Michigan. And it's just incredible that the America First regime, we spend so much time talking about foreign countries. Any time a foreign country's name is in your mouth, that's a bad side for the upcoming election. So I'm thinking about the voters, Republicans, Democrats, independents. Do they all want the same thing? Do they just want us to get out of Iran?

You need to get out. You need to get out. There's so many domestic issues. And I think what happens on the Trump end is that when you have these judges who won't hardly let you do anything. We have this historic deference toward military operations. And so this is the one thing Trump can do without being bothered and tinkered with. And so I think it's easier to do that thing, whereas we'd like to see him do things that are more difficult and would improve the lives of the average American. But if he gets out now and gas prices are $4, $5, $6 come midterms, which they might be, is he done? Do the Democrats sweep the House, the Senate? Is he impeached? And is he done? I mean, it's unclear that fighting is helping gas prices. It seems that my gas costs more than it did before we started fighting. So is the idea that this would be worse? I mean, why would it be? Trump is saying Europe can buy oil from America. Seems that we have enough to sell, we should be able to keep prices at least where they are. So what do you think the motive for escalating is for the Trump administration? I think it's easy to do. I think there's a lot of pressure from people who are close to the president who value Israel and Israel safety. And look, and Iran that has a nuclear weapon is an existential threat to Israel. So I get that. But I do think that people like Jared Kushner have, you know, have Donald Trump's ear. So there's multiple camps. There's the America First camp. There's people who are more concerned about foreign concerns. And I think that those people have Trumps here at the moment. James David Dixon, host of the James Dixon podcast. Appreciate your insight. Appreciate you coming on and sharing it with our audience. Thank you, Kevin. All right. We'll talk again real soon. Yeah, get out. Is that the solution? I was just saying that the other day. We accomplished what we went for originally or what we said we went for. No nukes, no ballistic missiles, no money for the proxies. We did that. It's time to leave. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. Well, that was fun. The University of Michigan National Champs, the student section in Indianapolis, having a great time.

What a scene. The players loving it. Yax, let me start with you. You told me at halftime you felt awful. So weak. Where did you find that second gear in the second half to keep it going? My teammates, they didn't give up on me. You know, I still suck second half too. I made a little bit of a push at the end of the game, man. But kind words from LJ, Tray and Roddy, man, just continue to push me, help me pave away and find a way to play harder. When people talk about this Michigan team, this Michigan championship team, what will they say about you guys? How will you be remembered? Hey, man, they might still be calling us mercenaries. Hey, but we're the hardest player team in national basketball. We're the best team in college basketball. And, of course, Coach Dusty May, what a season. What a job he did all year long. Yeah, what a way to wrap up the 25, 26 college basketball season with this group. I want to begin by thinking last year's team. At Michigan, we came up a little bit short, but those guys laid the foundation, established an identity for us, and also helped attract these guys to come in and chase this stream together. Unreal. Join us now. Tim McCormick, former Michigan player, NBA player, NBA analyst. Good morning, Tim. How are you? Hi, Kevin. Good morning. Do you? Oh, my gosh. How fun was that? Yeah, it was an electrifying experience. The crowd was amazing. The players played with so much heart all year. They overcame odd. I love Dusty May. when he's on a press conference, and I've made a note to listen to every single press conference this year, and I take notes. It's almost like going to a business seminar on leadership and teamwork. And then, you know, just it was a really wonderful time walking around Indianapolis, getting to know the Yukon fans. I have to tell you, that's a classy program. They know how to win. They carried themselves great. And just talking hoops with people that love Michigan basketball was just a really special event. Yeah, I can't believe it's going to be in Detroit next year. I am so excited walking around Indy talking to all of the fans. Everybody knows basketball, loves basketball. And it's also this huge just family event where you can have grandparents, kids, and walking around together. And there's so much to do and so much to see. And the coaches conference beforehand, they just were so generous with their time with fans.

it's just great for the game of basketball the way the whole Final Four comes together. And it seemed like Yukon might be the team of destiny, but I think Michigan truly was. They found different ways to get it done. And last night they had to do it with defense. Well, their defense is sensational. Last September 23rd was when college basketball season starts practice. And I attended that first practice. And I was in awe of how long Michigan was and how cohesive they were. Typically, defense takes a long time to teach. And it takes reps, especially when you have so many new players. And if you look at their defensive statistics, it's really mind-boggling when you consider that they beat Alabama, Tennessee, Arizona, and last night, Yukon. Those are some powerhouse high-octane offensive teams that each of them had their lowest field goal percentage of the entire season. That doesn't just happen. This is a really good defensive staff, and they're surrounded by some excellent defensive players. The other thing I like, Kevin, is that when you look back on this season, there are 10 or 12 different guys that had their time in the spotlight where they had to deliver in order to get victories. And I really don't see this going away. I know that the transfer portal and graduation will decimate this current roster, but the key players are returning, talking mainly about their back court with Trey McKinney and Elliot Cadell. They have recruited the second best recruiting class in all college basketball, and we've already seen the Dusty May has a magical presence in the transfer portal. And I would anticipate that by the end of this week, that roster is going to look a lot more fortified. Yeah, this team likes to say they have nine starters, and they have an incredible bench. The five starters they do have were all transfers, and they made a lot of that last night, and that's a fair discussion. But when you watch these five guys play together, they look like they've been playing together since they were 10 years old. The way they move that ball around, the fact that they are all so unselfish with that ball. I mean, what a... job, Dusty May did, getting these people to come in and play together.

Well, Dusty and his staff had a unique vision in which they targeted versatile defensive players. Adai Mara is the defensive player that you in the Big Ten. He's not very flexible in terms of covering point guards out on the perimeter, but everybody else can switch pick and rolls. And Yukon's offense is intricate. They run a lot of dribble handoffs and picking pops and picking rolls. They're very hard to cover. But when you can switch every pick and roll, and I think Morez Johnson is really a key component. When you can do that, you really make it difficult for the other team to get good shots. And in that second half, I know that Yukon shot poorly from three, but they didn't have very many good open looks. No, the defense was incredible. And so was Yukons. Michigan only hit two, three-pointers all night. I got to ask you, when late in the game, Yukon threw up a three-point bank shot that went in. Did you at – and then I think that put them within four. Did that – did you at all think, uh-oh, there might still be some magic left after this Yukon team miraculously beat Duke, got by Illinois, and now was down to the final minutes in Michigan? Now, you nailed it. That's exactly what I said. He banked in the three, and I said, uh-oh. I was not totally confident. And then Roddy Gale misses two free throws. And there were just, there were a lot of opportunities to put that game away. And Yukon has a championship DNA. And they were not backing down at all. I don't think that that Yukon team is as talented offensively. and they lacked some depth compared to their national championship teams. But they certainly played with a great deal of heart and toughness. And I don't think you can say enough about the free throw shooting of Michigan. You think about the pressure and shooting in a big stadium like that, a football stadium. And at one time, I think they had 20 in a row. I mean, they couldn't miss from the free throw line, which is saying a lot. It is. And I just, I love the story. I think it may be a little bit hokey and doesn't have a lot of, you know. end game in terms of making free throws. But after practice the other day, Dusty May took his entire team out under the big house. And they had basketball hoops set up and they practiced shooting free throws and shooting some threes with the background. And I think the guys probably thought it was pretty funny and maybe a little bit goofy. But that's how you keep things loose over the course of the season. Right. And those are the kind of stories that trickle down to recruits that say, you know, I want some of that. I want to be part of that experience. And now they got the trophy. Tim McCormick, former Michigan player, NBA player. We appreciate you. What a night. Thanks, Kevin. Go Blue. Go Blue. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

It's All Talk on a Tuesday morning. I'm Kevin Dietz coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. All Talk is bringing you all the major candidates and all the big races in this year's election. And the race for Michigan's open U.S. Senate seat is one of the most important in the country. Huge national attention, big money, and it could decide control of the Senate. And right here in the middle of it, former congressman, Army veteran, an FBI agent, a candidate backed by Donald Trump, Mike Rogers. He says he wants to lower costs, bring jobs back, strengthen national security, and protect Social Security. Let's bring in Mike Rogers. Good morning, sir. How are you? I am doing great, Kevin. How about you? I'm doing great. I appreciate you being here, taking some time, letting the audience get to know you a little better. Tell us a little bit about yourself and why you want to do this, why the time is right. Well, listen, Michigan is not doing well right now. So when I was going to school, we were in the top education system in the country. Now we're 44th. Remember, the Democrats have controlled Lansing for a decade, and they've controlled the Senate seat for just about 30 years. And in that time, we've lost 30,000 manufacturing jobs, our defense industrial base. has eroded. We used to make submarine components. We don't. We used to make the tank here. We don't. By the way, these things still happen. They just don't happen here in Michigan anymore. And so when you look at what's happening with our middle class, I mean, our wages have been flat. Our costs are all up. I just think, listen, we need somebody who's willing to go back and focus on Michigan and Michigan's future. You know, I'll bring back defense industrial-based manufacturing, which pays really well. I'm going to put shop back in every high school in Michigan to make sure that we have this next generation of really trained skilled trades where people have access to this opportunity. I mean, there's jobs out there that are paying six figures they can't fill because they just don't have enough skilled tradesmen. So you think about the opportunities here in Michigan. I'm all about it. We're going to make sure that the Chinese don't. build auto plants here in the United States and start eroding our ability to build things again. A lot to do and a lot to happen. And I'm going to be a big part of making sure that Michigan gets back up off of her knees. And we once again are the leader in manufacturing. We build things here. We educate our kids. And we make sure that you have an opportunity to move up into the middle class or better, hopefully. Why don't senators do more for... their states. It seems like senators nowadays run to have a national audience to get their name out there so that they keep getting reelected almost more so than they care about getting jobs back into their home state. Well, I think it's happened here for 30 years because we have in Michigan been sending the same party back there for 30 years to represent us in the Senate. So they take it for granted. And so when they go back there, they don't think they have to worry about the fact that the great example to me is that the Forest Service is going to close all three of its places here in Michigan. I wouldn't let that happen. You send me back there. I'm going to make sure that we have Forest Service representation here in the state.

I'm going to make sure that selfridge is alive and well, and we have the next generation of technology also here. And so if you start thinking through the list, guess what? I mean, look at, we just sent a senator back who can't find the state of Michigan. They're often Iowa and want to be, I don't know what they're doing. Idaho, Iowa, Wisconsin, guess what? We need a senator who is going to focus on Michigan. And that's who I am. You know, I'm born and raised here and worked on a family floor here. I have a great fortune to serve in the military and serve as a special agent with the FBI. I know how important it is to have a senator who focuses on the state. Again, we used to build under 700-foot ships here, Kevin. We don't anymore. And that's because the two Democrats in the Senate were sleeping at the switch. We used to have an air base here in the UP gone. We used to have a naval subtracking station here. That's gone. You start thinking about all the things that we lost. By the way, again, all those things still happen. They just don't happen here anymore. That's why we need somebody who has actually worked on a factory floor, born, raised here, under... understands Michigan, understands how important these jobs are, we're fighting for it every single day. And that's why I want to go back. I'm not giving up on Michigan. I hope people don't give up on Michigan. I think our best days are going to be ahead. But we're going to need somebody who goes back to the Senate and makes the good pitch. And think of this, why would we send another person back who's just going to poke the president the last two years of his term when you could have somebody who could walk into that Oval Office and say, Mr. President, here's what Michigan needs. We have to have this in Michigan. We didn't get on the list to build the Golden Dome. Indiana did. Well, guarantee you, you send me back. I'm going to get us on the list. We're going to be building those components for the Golden Dome here in the state of Michigan. Aerospace is coming back. We're going to do it. Again, all of this defense industrial-based manufacturing needs to come back, and we can do it. You're not going to get everything, but we're going to get a lot of it. We're certainly going to be in the components building to make sure that we're a part. of the national security and ecosystem here in the state of Michigan. Like we are the state that won World War II because of our manufacturing prowess. We need that back. People are worried about costs. They want things to cost less. People are worried about how much these military efforts are going to cost. What can you do about lowering costs? Well, a whole bunch of things. We came out, and I encourage people to go to Rogers for Senate.com. Take a look at our housing bill. Housing affordability is an issue I've heard all over the state, and we did something. We proposed to do something about it. It's pretty innovative. We're going to use – when I was in the state legislature, I created the 529 education plans that 400,000 Michigan citizens use today. Well, guess what? I'm going to take that, and I'm going to – ramp it up, you're going to be able to use the same mechanism to save tax-free for a down payment. Your company can put money in, your parents can put money in, your neighbors, your friends, however you want to do it. And that grows tax-free, and so that when you're ready for a down payment, you'll have a nice down payment there.

to confuse the Iranians who were desperately hunting for our airmen. On Saturday morning, we achieved our primary objective by finding and providing confirmation that one of America's best and bravest was alive and concealed in a mountain crevice, still invisible to the enemy, but not to the CIA. Following the successful exfiltration on Saturday night, Our intelligence reflects that the Iranians were embarrassed and ultimately humiliated. Just unbelievable rescue by the U.S. military. A U.S. Army Staff Sergeant is trying to halt his wife's deportation after she was detained inside a Louisiana military base where the couple was planning to live together just days after their wedding. The effort to remove the soldier's wife who was born in Honduras and remained in a federal immigration detention center on Monday has drawn backlash from military family advocates who called the detention demoralizing at a time of war and warned that deporting spouses could undermine recruitment. Staff Sergeant Matthew Blank said he brought his wife, Annie Ramos, 22, to the base in Fort Polk, Louisiana last Thursday so she could begin the process to receive military benefits, taking steps toward a green card. The couple married in March. Federal immigration agents detained Ramos as part of the Trump administration's mass deportation agenda, which legal experts say has dispensed with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's practice of leniency towards families of military. military members. NASA astronauts on Artemis 2 are preparing a historic communication with the ISS. It will be the first ship-to-ship call between lunar and low-earth orbit missions. The mission continues after a successful flyby of the moon. NASA is advancing long-term human presence in space. The event demonstrates coordination across missions. The Artemis program aims to return humans to the moon. Future missions will expand exploration capabilities. The milestone highlights progress in space exploration. This is the astronauts talking about... some of the sites. This is a magnificent accomplishment to be up here to see the moon, to see the earth, and to know that we are between those two celestial bodies, and you can see it when you look out the window. The earth is almost in full eclipse. The moon is almost in full daylight. And the only way you could get that view is to be halfway between the two entities. It's just, it is truly all inspiring up here. Last night, we did have our first view of the moon far side. It was just absolutely spectacular. There's been a lot of disbelief up here, just the fact that what we're seeing, where we are, it's hard to wrap your mind around. Like, I mean that sincerely. It really bends your mind. And the emotions that come along with that, there's a lot of happiness. Just seeing those pictures, absolutely incredible, wild.

Let's bring in Steve Courtney, WJR Sports Analyst. He is covering the NCAA champions in basketball, and it is the Michigan Wolverines. Hey, Steve. Hey, what's going on? Kev Marie. Hello again. I have you one question. Has anybody checked in on Ann Arbor, lately? I imagine the party is still in full effect. Indeed, the Michigan basketball Wolverines complete their historic season with a national championship downing the Yukon Huskies 6960. Elliot Cadeau, named the most outstanding player. Why not? Finishes with 19 points. Now, the Wolverines won the program's first national championship since 1989. As a matter of fact, by doing so, they became the first team. How about this? To beat Yukon in the Sweet 16 or later since Tom Izzo and the Spartans beat the Huskies in the 2009 Final Four. The quote, when you bring a group this talented together, they decide from the beginning that they're going to do it this way and they never waver and they never change that's probably the most uncommon thing in athletics right now this according to michigan coach Dusty May. Now, Michigan, yes, absolutely dominant. They became the first team to score 90 or more points in five straight games in a single tournament. They had to work for it a little bit last night, didn't they? In Indy, Wolverines up just four at the half, 3329. Dan Hurley said this, they're legit. They definitely deserve to win the national championship. They're clearly the best team in the country this year. Now, as we discussed yesterday, you guys, Yukon had a plan. Early on, it was to feed the ball to the former Wolverine Terrace Reed Jr. He attempted three of the Huskies' first four shots but just struggled to finish against the length and size of a daimara. Everybody else has as well. As a matter of fact, the first 15 minutes of the tilt mostly went Yukon's way. We talked about it yesterday. They wanted to control the pace. The Huskies kept Michigan out of their transition game with the Wolverines. having zero fast break points. Yexo Lindenborg? Oh, he played the first 20 minutes, as a matter of fact, but he was one for five from the field. At the half, you'll recall, he said this, I feel awful, I feel super weak right now. He sprained his left MCL and left ankle against Arizona in the final four, but in the second half, he was a little bit more like himself. The Huskies, well, quite frankly, they just struggled. second half missing 13 consecutive three-point attempts at one point in this game entered the final four minutes of the tilt yukon was five for 21 on its first shot offense in that second half the huskies one for nine on shots contested by mara michigan as a team uh they We're dominant in the paint defensively. We've seen it throughout the year. Six blocks, as a matter of fact. So congratulations to the basketball Wolverines National Champions. It was unbelievable. What a night. Steve Courtney, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. All right, folks. Enjoy this day now. All right. Quick break. We'll be right back. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. Coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building this morning, a special collaboration between All Talk on WJR and Bridge, Michigan, because great journalism shouldn't just be read. It should be talked about, debated, questioned, expanded, and that's what we're doing. Taking Bridges, deep investigative reporting, and bringing it to you live to widen the conversation. Today's focus, a powerful and troubling report. Michigan kids in crisis being sent out of state for mental health treatment because we don't have the capacity here. Families separated. Kids traveling thousands of miles cost skyrocketing and a system that many see as broken. So we've gotten the reporters behind the investigation with us, and we want you to be involved, too. So call us with your comments and questions at 1-800-8590 WJR, because this is your community. These are Michigan families, and this conversation is important. Joining us now is Jim Jordan Hermony, Capitol Reporter for Bridge, Michigan, and Eli Newman Health Reporter for Bridge, Michigan. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Yes. So let's describe the problem first and what you've done to go about trying to understand it better. Let's start with you, Jim Jordan. Yeah. So, I mean, as you said, just right off the bat, Michigan's youth mental health system just is. overtaxed, frankly. We, about last year, started noticing a trend where these facilities were starting to close. We had been talking to a number of facility operators, and we were being told that they believed they had an idea as to why the state was coming in and closing some of these facilities. The state had ideas on why they needed to close some of these facilities. And then trapped in the middle, you had these parents who were saying, we don't have the correct capacity. We need more help. to help our own kids. And so that's really where the impetus of this investigation started was seeing this kind of snowballing effect, where we were watching these facilities closed, we were watching these parents kind of left in the lurch looking for mental health care. That was either, as you point out, hundreds of miles away, either at another place in Michigan or even thousands of miles away, out of state where they couldn't be able to see their child who could be in the midst of a severe mental health crisis. Eli, what was the problem as you saw it and what were you hoping to solve? Well, one of the things that I felt like kept on coming up is a lot of my reporting is focused on families and how they're navigating this really complex system, right? And so when an emergency happens, when a child is in a mental health crisis, the solutions are needed really, really quickly. And so I was wondering how people were navigating this system. And what I found in just in talking to folks was that... The that roadmap of like where to get services, where to actually get help is really unclear for a lot of family, keeping in mind that a lot of these families are in the middle of a crisis, right? So they don't necessarily have their full capacity to do this research and figure these things out because they're dealing with a child that is having a really significant mental health problems. So they're trying to figure this out. And, you know, again, part of also what I was hearing was just again, this reduced capacity.

curious how that was going to manifest in the state. And what we found is that people that are interfacing with the government, we're talking about juvenile justice, people who have had had to call 911. You know, these are kids that are increasingly going out of state to get that long-term mental health care that they desperately need. And so I wanted to understand how families felt about, you know, sending their kids to places like Wyoming, Texas, Nebraska. And so that was my interest is, you know, we're seeing like this diminished service, but how is it really impacting the people who need it the most? Yeah, and if I could. Jump in just really quickly. I apologize, too. One of the big things that we learned in investigating this is that the real scope of the issue, we still don't know. There's a lot of reporting gaps that occur between the state and counties. There is a completely separate system for the DHS, which is the Department of Health and Human Services. They oversee some of these kids. They'll have data for children sent out of state, but then there are other kids who are sent out of state through. County court orders, court supervised youth, they are not required to share that data with the state. So truly the breadth and depth of this issue, we're just scratching the surface here. Well, is it a transparency problem or is it the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing? I think in a lot of cases, what we're seeing is that a lot of families are actually paying their own way to get these services. So what we do have really concrete figures on are those that are interfacing with, you know, the government. So again, those criminal justice cases that do juvenile justice, children who are like wards of the state, the foster children program, we have more concrete reporting about that. But there's a whole bevy, I mean, really an unknown number of families that are, again, trying to figure this. things out with their insurance provider, whether that be their employee plan like a Blue Cross Blue Shield or whatever they might have otherwise. And they're kind of navigating this really in the shadows, right? So they're not necessarily getting that concrete reporting where the state of Michigan is really aware of like what they're doing because the paper trail doesn't really pass through the state. I can't imagine having a kid in crisis like this and having any confusion at all and then finding out that, oh, by the way, to get help, we may have to send you to Texas or you may have to go to Texas or some other state. Why is Michigan lacking the capacity to treat these kids locally? Well, I think the providers that we spoke with really kind of, they describe a perfect storm in terms of like a confluence of events that have really.

came to fruition in the years of COVID-19 during the pandemic and some of the changes that were happening. So even ahead of COVID-19 providers really described a rising mental health crisis among youth, primarily accelerated by social media, which I think we're also seeing that being discussed a little bit more with some of these lawsuits against meta and Facebook. So that was happening in the background. And then boom, you have... COVID-19 where the world basically shuts down and kids are living their lives almost primarily online. So like poor jet fuel, I think, for a lot of these kids in terms of like accelerating these habits that really weren't so great for their mental health. And then on top of that, because of some of the stringent kind of emergency orders, staffing at these facilities that were essentially forced to quarantine, I think also had a lot of difficulty just like working there. And so I think if you could figure out. a job that wasn't in a, you know, a congregate setting like that with a really, frankly, difficult population to deal with. We're talking about kids that are having acute mental health crises. It's not an easy field to work in. And so there was a lot of staff that dropped off at that time. So frankly, there's not even the workforce. And then there's some other kind of state regulation that... essentially made it more difficult for some of these providers to operate and provide these services to kids, which again, I think saw just an environment where providers and staffing just like wasn't able to keep up with the need. Well, and we saw that too in talking to last year, Vista Maria, a name I'm certain that many people are familiar with. Their youth treatment program closed at the end of last year. They were a very storied program, had been around for over 100 years. And when I spoke with the CEO there at the time, she straight up told me that they were actually losing their workers' comp insurance because staff on the job were being injured by children within the facility. so egregiously to the point of broken kneecaps dislocated shoulders that their workman's comp straight up told them we can't carry you anymore we can't be able to help you out with this and once that goes you know you had providers kind of looking at it like well that this is difficult. If I can't keep my staff safe, why are we operating this program? So like Eli points out, as much as we going into this wish that we could have come out with like a silver bullet answer of, this is how you can reform the system, this is how we can make sure that both the providers and the people, the people working in these industries and also the children that are within these programs, if there were a silver bullet, if there were a way to be able to fix this overnight, you know, that would have been that. the absolute headline of our story. But unfortunately, it's a, it's a hydra. You tackle one part or one thing, and suddenly two more issues seem to pop out in its stead. We're talking with Jim Jordan Hermony.

Capitol Reporter for Bridge, Michigan, and Eli Newman Health Reporter for Bridge, Michigan. They have done some incredible reporting on the health crisis in Michigan, particularly as it pertains to kids, many who have to travel out of state to get the help they need. We're going to continue this conversation after the break, and you're welcome to call with your questions and concerns. 1-800-859-07, 1-800-9-0-JR. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. And the phone number is 1-800-8-9-0-957, 1-800-9-0-WJR. Give us a call, give us a text, be a part of the conversation. Bridge, Michigan has a powerful and troubling investigative report published online, and WJR's All Talk is teaming up with Bridge, Michigan, to give this a bigger voice. Michigan kids in crisis being sent out of state for mental health treatment because we do not have the capacity here. Families are being separated. Kids are traveling thousands of miles, and it's very, very expensive. A lot of families saying the system is broken. Join us now are the reporters on this investigation. Jim Jordan Harmony, capital reporter for Bridge Michigan and Eli Newman, health reporter for Bridge, Michigan. Before the break, you guys were talking a little bit about the pandemic. And the whole country shared in the pandemic. Different states did things differently. You talked a little bit about the lockdowns and what happened here in Michigan. Are there other states? Have you been able to find out if other states have done things differently or... Are there things we could be doing to make this less of a crisis? Well, I would say certainly for every state that there is in the United States, there's a different flavor of regulation and how they are dealing with their mental health care, right? So, and again, I think there's a lot of different ways to do it. One of the things that was coming up pretty consistently in terms of this reporting was a specific change that occurred. in Michigan around 2022 following the death of Cornelius Fredericks who was a youth who was in a Kalamazoo state-run foster care facility and he died after it was deemed a homicide but essentially that that one of the staff, a couple of the staff at that facility, used a restraint on him, essentially put their entire body on top of him, and he died a couple days later after his heart stopped. So what we saw after that is that there was a pretty deliberate policy change that happened with the health department that

reduced the number of restraints and seclusions is what they're known for. So restraints being like the ability for staff members to, you know, physically intervene and subdue a patient and a inclusion would be, you know, removing that individual and putting them in like an isolation room or a different, basically away from the rest of the population. And so there were certain changes that happened there. And what providers told us is that because of the difficulty that that was already happening from all those previous reasons from COVID with the social media. Just the increased need for care, the lack of staffing, that that additional regulation was something that was very difficult to operate within. And again, we're talking about a population that does get physical sometimes, right? So, you know, when people are having an acute mental health crisis, they don't, they're not necessarily able to control. um you know the their physicality right so some of that can be can um manifest in violence and so when uh a lot of these providers say that hey since we're not able to operate to our full um the way that we would want to be then it's easier for us to shut down or we're not going to be able to just operate in this regulatory environment well And so when Eli talks to the regulatory environment, I also kind of want to set the stage here. We have right around 100 of these child careing institutions in Michigan. I believe the number is closer to like 101. It's estimated at about 16 of those institutions have shut down during the pandemic. So we're seeing fewer provider spaces being open. During the pandemic, we had these instances where it was not safe to be putting people into congregate settings. So it didn't necessarily open up. the doors to be able to have children who were potentially experiencing mental health crises to be able to enter into these facilities. And then if we just want to look at five the numbers, as of September of last year. We had 152 youth in Michigan's direct placement program living in out-of-state facilities. That was up more than double of the 74 children who were being sent out of state in 2023. Pre-COVID, those numbers ranged anywhere from 55 children to 79 children. So we're seeing a market uptick post-COVID and a setting where we're not seeing the numbers of providers matching this need. I feel like this is an opportunity for kids to fall through the cracks. Are we seeing a number of kids fall through the cracks because of the complexity of trying to get them placed and having to move them out of state?

I mean, I would say absolutely. I mean, we're talking about the people that were placed, right? But what so often does happen is that, and we hear it all the time from talking with law enforcement and hospital operators, a lot of youth in acute mental health crises end up in emergency rooms kind of first and foremost, right? That is, if they're not being charged with a crime, if there wasn't an assault involved or anything like that. Invariably, the... what i hear from families a lot is that they try seeking out that community mental health support system the things that are available through medicate and through local communities that is in theory supposed to help you know stabilize their children and their teenagers so um when that fails and it often does because those services aren't necessarily they kind of fail to deliver the promises that they've set out on a lot of these children do end up being incarcerated because frankly just for lack of better options and so yes invariably like you know there there are there are numbers out there that you know a significant amount of the incarcerated population those that are in michigan's prisons and jails are on a lot of uh there's a significant amount of people who are on psychotropic medication because they're dealing with significant mental health issues. So I mean, I don't think that this would be a surprise for anybody working in law enforcement to say that they take on the brunt. of this population that doesn't get that adequate care in a hospital setting or some sort of other kind of health care setting. Well, and we really kind of illustrate that in the dichotomy of the parents that we talked to for this story. We had one mother who was able, her family was able to send their daughter out of treatment to Missouri for mental health care, but that ended up costing them around $90,000 to do so. And they told us that it put their family into an extreme level of financial stress. Then we talked to another mother, though, who, you know, in earlier, both Eli and I have spoken with her for separate stories regarding children being sent out of state for mental health care. She basically was told that in certain instances when seeking community mental health care, that her son simply wasn't qualified. Either he had too great of needs for what a specific organization was trying to help with or not great enough under certain criteria to the point where she was advised, the best possible thing. you can do for your son right now is call the cops. And as Eli points out, when you have parents that are kind of pushed into that no man's land of there's not enough community mental health services to bridge that gap or your child does have more severe needs than what your community mental health providers are able to provide, that absolutely, that sets them up straight into an incarceration problem that sets them straight up into a prison pipeline where instead of being able to treat and address mental health needs while children are young, we're instead incarcerating them and hoping that the problem can resolve itself, which historically, as we've seen, does not fare well for either the child or society writ large. Well, we look forward to following your investigative reporting, especially...

What solutions are being proposed and what might be able to fix this system? Fabulous reporting. Everyone can read it at BridgeM.I.com. Jim Jordan Harmony, capital reporter for Bridge Michigan, Eli Newman, health reporter for Bridge, Michigan. A heavy topic. Definitely something everyone should go and read through. And we appreciate the reporting that you've done. And we've appreciated you coming on and talking about it with us. Thank you, Kevin. All right. We'll talk again real soon. Quick break. We'll be right back. It's all talk. It's all talk on a Tuesday morning. I'm Kevin Dietz coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-8-5-9-7-1-8-5-0-WJR. We're going to take your calls at 1135. This morning we are watching history unfold in real-time. Artemis 2, astronauts circling the moon farther from Earth than any human has ever gone, seeing things that no one has ever truly seen before. It's a magnificent accomplishment to be up here to see the Moon, to see the Earth, and to know that we are between those two celestial bodies, and you can see it when you look out the window. The Earth is almost in full eclipse. The Moon is almost in full daylight. And the only way you could get that view is to be halfway between the two entities. It's just, it is truly awe-inspiring up here. Last night, we did have our first view of the Moon far side. It was just absolutely spectacular. There's been a lot of disbelief up here, just the fact that what we're seeing, where we are, it's hard to wrap your mind around. I mean that sincerely. It really bends your mind. And the emotions that come along with that, there's a lot of happiness. To help us understand not just the mission, but what it feels like to be up there. We've got someone who has lived it, retired United States Navy flight surgeon, a NASA astronaut, a man who spent months in space aboard the Mir space station. Dr. Jerry Lineger joins us now. Good morning, sir. How are you? Good morning. I'm doing good. Go blue, baby. Go blue. Oh, what a fun night that was. My goodness. Yeah, fun night, and we're around the moon, and I'm, you know, sometimes the stars align, I think. These astronauts might have heard people in Ann Arbor cheering after that victory last night. It would not surprise me. What goes to your mind when you watch what we're all watching together here with Artemis II? Well, I guess on a personal level, I feel envy. You know, wish I were up there. You know, just the description of where they are. Look out one side. You look to your right left, whatever you want to call it, up in space. The right left gets a bit confusing as you're floating upside down half the time. But to see the crescent Earth and the crescent moon simultaneously.

And to just saying, man, you know, this is a celestial object we've all looked at for centuries and for eons and people of all planet Earth look up to that moon. And we have four astronauts circling it. So, wow, what a moment. It really is. And I love the way America is reacting. You know, there's a lot going on in the world. But people have stopped. They're paying attention. Kids are talking about this. Teachers are talking about this. Really, everyone is talking about this. And I just think that's great for the mission. Yeah, and Kevin, our space program, really, if you like education and you want government money going toward education, there is no finer postgraduate work than the work at NASA. It tracks the brain power of the world. If you love science and you love that our administration is spending money on science projects, this is practical science. you know, lunar geologists. This is a volcanologist looking at that. This is, you know, material science putting together that's Orion spacecraft with, you know, the complexity is beyond belief. We talk about, hey, we did this with Apollo. But this capsule, just as an example, is so much more advanced than the Apollo capsule. It can hold four astronauts instead of three. can hold them for 21 days straight. And in later missions, when we have a Brad Lander going down to the moon and you only have two people aboard, it's consumables, it'll slow us down, but you'll have even more time and space. You know, that capsule could end up going to Mars, some variation of that capsule. So, you know, great, great leaps forward, science, technology, keeping America at the forefront. keeping us ahead of other nations that have space-faring, you know, objectives and they want to move ahead on us, our space force, military-wise. You know, there's just a thousand good reasons for what we're doing, and it is not. And I'll say this very plainly, it is not like us pulling out of phone and on vacation taking photos. It was very, very methodical. It was planned out. There's about 35 sites they're trying to get. And they, I think, accomplished all the missions of getting that, different shading, human interpretation of what they're seeing, you know, unreal amount of data they're going to be able to process. And that'll take years to get through it all for the people back on Earth, you know. pouring through it and learning about, again, geology and all the other aspects. The cruise traveling further than any humans ever have, does that, what does that do physically and mentally to an astronaut? I think, you know, when they're on that far side of the moon there and communication blackout because the moon is between you and the deep space network that we have set up, you know, you're alone. You're probably the only four human beings.

that are truly completely out of touch with the rest of humanity. I know in my personal experience, I'm an old naval officer, as you mentioned. I've been in isolated situations. But I'll tell you, on the mere space station, when we had poor communications, basically, I was cut off, alone, stuck with myself like I've never been before, and I felt removed from humanity. And it was very, very profound. So I'm sure they've had those moments. I hope they take some little time to reflect when they're up there. It's a mistake I made on some of my shuttle missions. They're just so jam-packed with objectives and science experiments and all the things you have to do. You know, I hope they just give themselves, say, half hour, 45 minutes to just float, take it in, reflect on where they are and just, you know, etch it on their mind forever. And in my case, that experience is etched on my mind forever. Yeah, because you have to have focus on what your mission is. There's got to be a little bit of fear. But hopefully there's some excitement for them as well. I've seen that, Kevin. I've been following every minute of this, and they just look joyous up there. And they're like a kid on Christmas, you know, opened in the presence and saying, wow, look at this. You know, another aspect, I'm an old Navy captain. So is Reed Wiseman, the commander, Navy captain, Victor Glover, the pilot, Navy captain. I've got three sons all serving, Navy lieutenants. You know, the competency, you're talking about the bigger things happening in the world, the competency of our military and the training ground, I guess, I'd say, for our military to prepare people like Reed and Victor to go up into space, even before their NASA training, you know, they've got the right stuff. Reed and Victor both flew attack and fighter aircraft. Matter of fact, Victor did a lot of work. piloting on the F-A-18 Super Hornet, which my number three son is now flying. And so I owe Victor something for that. Number three son just did his aircraft qualification flying out to the carrier. So he's CQ qualified, about to get assigned to an aircraft carrier. But, you know, all aspects of the United States of America are innovation, our technology, our military, competence. I guess is the key thing. Competence. We have people that have incredible brain power and are incredibly competent. And when I looked at that crew, you know, I'm proud of my Navy brethren. Do you think this will help us get to Mars one day? Oh, it'll help us get to Mars, but I'll tell you, moon base is big enough challenge. The key to all this, Kevin, is to be challenged. And when you're talking technology and trying to push limits of things, there are so many benefits for all of us back here on Earth when you push the technology. You know, I'm sitting here talking you on my iPhone, miniaturization, that's our space program. So it is.

You know, a new frontier. The moon base is going to be incredible. We've got a wonderful plan going. I spoke with the NASA administrator a few days back teleconference, and it's going to be fantastic what he's got lined up. Incredible. You know, a year from now, rendezvousing around the earth, pulling out the landers. two years from now going to the moon, setting up some base there. And eventually, probably three, four years down the line, hopefully permanent human presence in that colony on space. Unbelievable. Dr. Jerry Lineger, retired United States Navy Flight Surgeon, medical research principal investigator and NASA astronaut. Thank you for your service and thank you for your time today. What a moment. Amen, and God bless America, man. We're doing great things. Privileged to be with you, Kevin. I appreciate it. All right. We'll talk again real soon. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. Welcome into the 11 o'clock hour of All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz, along with Marie Osborne, bringing you the latest headlines and the stories that everyone is talking about and everyone is still celebrating the University of Michigan's big win in the final four championship game. Smith. Left to the floor, layup doesn't go. Bull knocked around, flung down the floor, Caraband trying to track it down, and he will. And it's over. Hail to the champions! Hail to Michigan! For the first time in 37 years, the Wolverines win the national title! Yes, they did. Michigan Wolverines defeated Yukon, 69 to 63 to win the 26th NCAA men's basketball national championship the first time since 1989 and the second in program history. It also ends a 26-year championship drought for Big Ten Conference. Michigan finished the season with a 37-3 record, the best in school history. The team overcame poor shooting in the title game by relying on defense, incredible defense, and free throws. At one point, they hit 20 in a row. And just fantastic execution. Head coach Dusty May won the championship in just his second season. The roster was built largely through transfer portal additions, reflecting a modern team building approach. The win establishes this group as one of the most successful teams in Michigan basketball history. This was Coach Dusty May after the win. Yeah, what a way to wrap up the 25, 26 college basketball season with this group. I want to begin by thinking last year's team. At Michigan, we came up a little bit short, but those guys laid the foundation, established an identity for us, and also helped attract these guys to come in and chase this dream together. Of course, the players absolutely loving it all, celebrating the moment. Yax, let me start with you. You told me at halftime you felt awful, so weak. Where did you find that second gear in the second half to keep it going? My teammates, they didn't give up on me. You know, I still stuck second half too. I made a little bit of a push at the end of the game, man. But kind words from LJ, Tray and Roddy, man, just continue to push me, help me pave away and find a way to play harder. When people talk about this Michigan team, this Michigan championship team.

What will they say about you guys? How will you be remembered? Hey, man, they might still be calling us mercenaries. Hey, but we're the hardest playing team in national basketball. We're the best team in college basketball, and we want to be one of the greats ever. Well, go enjoy this one. Congratulations, congratulations, stray to everyone. Michigan is a champion. Let's go! 1989, the last time Michigan won the national championship. On JR mornings this morning, former coach John Beeline stopped in to talk a little bit about the legacy of this Michigan team. I've gone on record too and saying this is, you have to go back to the days where everybody stayed three or four years before they went pro to have a team that this, this talented and this experience. And so it's going to be, it'll go down as one of the better national championship teams. going way back decades. I mean, there's been teams with more talent, but didn't have the experience in the talent. We had six NBA players on our 13 team, but they were all freshmen and sophomores and one junior. This team was not nearly as young, so as a team. They are tremendous. Marie, I suppose everyone in Ann Arbor is still sleeping in, staying up late last night to watch this victory and then to celebrate it. They were celebrating in the streets, literally, as you can imagine, they would be. There were some things that were set on fire, couches, furniture, bails of hay. Students lit more than 45 spires across the city. Hundreds of students took over the South University Street and the nearby streets right after 11 o'clock after that big win. There were a lot of fireworks. They climbed some trees and fences, shouting, of course, and lots of horn honking, as you can imagine. Two people who were arrested over the course of the night, no injuries reported, at least not at this time. And the Ann Arbor Police Department says they need a couple of days, but they're going to be announcing a... championship parade in the next couple of days. Oh my gosh, that will be so much fun. Just a great day for the entire state of Michigan, really, as the Michigan Wolverines win it all in the NCAA championship. Donald Trump on Truth Social this morning with a post people are talking about. It says a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionary wonderful could happen. Who knows? We'll find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and depth will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran. This was Donald Trump talking before he posted that. We have a plan because of the power of our military where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night where every power plant

in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock. And it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to happen. They say they're not going to back off this deadline. We're giving them till tomorrow, 8 o'clock, Eastern Time. I can tell you they're negotiating. We think in good faith. We're getting the help of some incredible countries that want this to be. End it because it affects them also. A lot of people are affected by this. They have till tomorrow. Now, we'll see what happens. Yeah, so 8 p.m. tonight, that is the deadline and the world is watching. Before Artemis 2 astronauts are headed back to Earth after venturing farther from the planet than any humans have ever gone, breaking the 1970 record set by Apollo 13. History made yesterday afternoon. So this is humanity's first crewed flyby. As we said in 50 years, the crew reflected on the importance of the mission.

And the astronauts also spoke to President Trump. We'll plant our flag once again, and this time we won't just leave footprints. We'll establish a permanent presence on the moon, and we'll push on to Mars. That'll be very exciting. I'm waiting for that so much. I'd love to be here, but maybe we won't quite make it in terms of timing. And the president had one request of the astronauts when they return home. I'll ask Jared to bring you over, and I'll ask for your autograph. Because I don't really ask for autographs much, but you deserve that. You really are something. Everybody's talking about this. And Splashdown sometime later this week. Yeah, we just had Jerry Leninger on the show, and he said he's jealous. He wishes he could be up there again. Just a fabulous thing. Real quick, Detroit native, Byron Allen. He's going to take over CBS's 1135 p.m. time slot following the end of the late show with Stephen Colbert. Allen's syndicated show, Comics Unleashed, will begin airing in the time slot on May 22nd. A. Second Alan produced show, Funny You Should Ask, we'll move to the 1237 a.m. time slot under the agreement, Alan will pay CBS for the airtime and cover production costs. So a Detroit guy taking over for Stephen Colbert. Quick break. It's All Talk with Kevin Deetz. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Dean. It's coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. It happened. It happened last night. The Michigan Wolverines won it all. Smith. Left to the floor. Layup doesn't go. Bull knocked around. Flood down the floor. Carabank trying to track it down. And he will. And it's over. Hail to the champions. Hail to Michigan for the first time. 37 years the Wolverines win the national title the fans loved it and the players loved it yaks let me start with you you told me

second half to keep it going. My teammates, they didn't give up on me. You know, I still suck second half too. I made a little bit of a push at the end of the game, man. But kind words from LJ, Tray and Roddy, man, just continue to push me, help me pay away and find that way to play harder. When people talk about this Michigan team, this Michigan championship team, what will they say about you guys? How will you be remembered? Hey man, they might still be calling us mercenaries. Hey, but we're the hardest playing team in national basketball. We're the best team in college basketball, and we want to be one of the greats ever. Well, go enjoy this one. Congratulations, congratulations, Stray, to everyone. Michigan is a champion. Let's go! And I'm guessing someone else who loved it. It was Jimmy King, former Michigan player member of the Fab Five. Good morning. Jimmy. How are you? Good morning. Oh, my goodness. It wasn't pretty, but it was fun. It was pretty enough for me. I anticipated it being a tight game. I mean, you know, Yukon is a very tough team, very scrappy, well-coached. They make good adjustments. And, you know, but they did against Duke, you know, you can never count them out. So I figured that it was going to be a tight game. And I also figured that our guys were up to the challenge and that they would be able to pull it out like they did. Yeah, I was. Not terribly surprised because Coach Hurley is amazing. And you can tell right away that on offense, they were waiting until they got down to 10 seconds before they shot. They were going to slow this game down on offense as much as they could. I expected Michigan to shoot better, but that happens. You don't expect a game where they're going to only have two threes. But, you know, they moved it down into the paint and they banged around and they got it done the way they needed to do it. Now, how is that a testament, right? How much of a testament is that, you know, you don't shoot well, you shoot, you know, you go down in the paint, you do well inside, you get to the free throw line, and you went. Like old school basketball, right, taking your time, running the shot clock down, spreading the floor, instead of going east to west, going north to south, making, you know, pointed attacks in. When, you know, you get the defense to commit, now you're ready for the kickouts to the corner and the wings. And now you've got the defense playing on the back of the hill. So I think Michigan did a great job with that all night. At some point, do they huddle around each other and say, let's get this thing done on defense? Because I know they've been a fabulous defensive team all year long, but they just looked like they went into another gear late in that game last night. Well, if your shots are falling, you've got to figure something out. And fortunately, they're good enough. And that's been a staple for them. And the makeup of this team all year is for them to, you know, kick up their defense, which they did all year. And I don't think they got enough credit for it. I've said.

since the beginning of the season that this is one of the better defensive teams I've seen. They, you know, they clog the lanes. They help. They sit down to get wide. You see all the black shots from the help side and the weak side that they had in the game. And, you know, they have, you know, that's what it's about. It's about effort on the defensive end. And these guys went out there and pulled it off. When I saw different last night against a lot of the teams that Michigan played, Michigan would have this great defensive effort. They get a block or a rebound. And the team, like the guy who got his shot blocked would be like almost pouting about it or whatever. By the time he looked up, the ball was already down the court and in the basket for Michigan. That didn't really happen last night. Yukon, no matter what happened, they got back on defense. Michigan, almost all of their points were contested. Yes, and in that sense, though, it really shows how discipline they are by, you know, not forcing the issue, you know, trusting each other and stick it to the plan, only having seven assists for the whole game. You're leading assists. A player had two assists. Like, that's just a hurdle. But again, it's about making adjustments and, you know, making the game easy. And they did that by going inside outdoing them in the paint and getting to the free throw line. What reminds me about the Fab 5 of this team that we have currently is that everybody on the floor can get it done. And everybody is willing to let the other guy get it done. And everybody celebrates when the other guy gets it done. And it's really fun to see. What surprised me about this current team is... They had to do it so quickly. These guys didn't even know each other. The five starters all transferred in just this year. I mean, that has to say a lot about either the players, the coaches, or both. Both. Both, definitely. The coaches can be able to identify and evaluate the talent and then get them on campus, get them through emissions, you know, get them acclimated, and then... You know, and then get them ready to play basketball and get them on the same page. And then the player, same thing, coming from different schools, you know, gathering themselves and the families, you know, meeting new teammates, new coaching, and dialing in and being able to, you know, really be selfless and put the team first because that's what you have to do in those situations. Like for us as being self as good as. Chris was, as good as Joanne was, as good as Jalen was, good as Ray was. Like, they were much better than people seen because they sacrificed for the betterment of the team. We all did. And as we'll probably see moving forward, like, how good Yaxel really is, how good Johnson really. If a good Godot really is individually.

you know, but sacrificing for their team. And I think they, and I think they, you know, accepted it, you know, not just, you know, kind of going along with it and just, you know, like really just, you know, doing what they need to do. They accept it and they flourishing in it. Yeah, they embraced it and that's probably why they're champions today. Personally, what did it mean for you to see Michigan at the top of the mountain again? I love it. That's what we want. We always want to be the leaders and best. That's the moniker of Michigan. That's what we want it to uphold. That's what we upheld. That's what we still uphold to this day. 35 years later, 35 plus years later. and still be irrelevant, but also we are still fans and we still support the university and especially the University of Michigan basketball team. It's hard to imagine that Michigan won't have a shot at doing this again next year just with the way Dusty has them going, the players that are sticking around, the players that are coming in. It's going to be very exciting. Absolutely. I mean, just keep the machine rolling. I mean, I don't see why we can't be a basketball dynasty as well. We got all the resources. One of the best schools in the world, you know, the palate is set. So we just got to, you know, continue to. grow and keep the, you know, kind of the pipeline open, if you will. Yep, but first we got to have a parade and celebrate this because we don't want to let this go too soon. It was too much work to get this one. It was absolutely fabulous. Jimmy King, member of the Michigan Fab Five. Thanks for checking in with us all season long, especially during the Final Four. All right. Thank you so much. All right. We're going to talk to you again next year real soon. We appreciate you. What a win for the University of Michigan. What a win for really all of basketball. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. And it is 1136. That means it is your turn to talk. 1-800-8-9-0-957, 1-800-8-9-0-JR. We now have details of the incredible rescue mission of two-down pilots, and the story is incredible. Flying at nearly 2,000 miles an hour, miles above enemy territory, and in an instant... Everything changes for these pilots. The jet is hit. Alarms are screaming. There's fire. There's smoke. There's chaos. And now you have seconds to make the most important decision of your life.

What do they do? They pull the handle. The canopy blows and you're ejected into the sky, into the unknown, drifting down alone into enemy territory. Sounds like a movie, but this is real. That's what's happened to these American airmen over Iran. And when they hit the ground, it didn't get easier, it got harder. This guy was injured, disoriented. He's hundreds of miles inside hostile territory, and he knows they're coming. Coming for him. Iranian forces, helicopters, drones, ground units. They're searching and hunting for him. Just him. So what does he do? He doesn't panic. He climbs wounded, hurting, exhausting. He climbs 7,000 feet into a mountain crevice, and he hides there. He survives. And then he sends out his signal. The signal says, I'm still here. I mean, thank God for the training, the mindset. I mean, that is the best training in the world, the United States military. Thank God for that training. And back home, they hear that signal, and they know one of their own is out there. And in that moment, there's no debate, no hesitation. There's one mission. Go get him. That's what Donald Trump said. Go get them. And what follows is something most people will never really fully understand. A rescue mission nearly 200 miles inside enemy territory. You just don't do that. It's too dangerous. Over 100 aircraft head in, special operations teams head in. Drones are in the sky. Bombers are ready to go. Intelligence working around the clock. And this part just blows my mind. They didn't just go. in with force. They went in with this amazing strategy. They had this deception strategy, this subterfuge strategy. They created multiple false locations where this guy might be. So Iran, which was hunting him down, would remain confused. That bought them more time. They turned the battlefield into a chessboard while Iranian forces were shadows or Americans closing in. And when the moment came... They move fast and precise. It was overwhelming. Firepower to hold the enemy back. Special operators on the ground. Every second calculated. Every move rehearsed. And then they find the guy. They find him alive. Think about that. This mission is worth talking about. After everything, after his fear, his pain, the waiting, he hears American aircraft overhead. He sees people coming. It's a promise kept. And before they left, they destroyed all their own equipment, millions dollars worth of it, because nothing was going to fall into enemy hands. That is precision in an operation. And then they were gone, no additional casualties. Military is all over the world, but there's only one that could do this, and that is the U.S. military. Just an unbelievable thing that they did. They said no person will be left behind, and they went in, they got them, they found them, and it's a very, very... proud moment. Let's go to the phone lines, 1-800-8-5-9-7, 1-800-9-0-W-Chad. Let's go to David and Dryden. Welcome to all talk, David. Hey, Kevin. Good morning. How are you? Good. One of the great things about being retired now is I could do just about anything I want. So yesterday at 1 o'clock, I went online. I bought a ticket to the big game in Indianapolis, hopped in the car.

Tuned into WJR for five hours. Caught a couple of guys named Hermione an album. Maybe you know them. I do. Yeah, got to the stadium just in time for the national anthem. It was beautiful. So much maize and blue. So much excitement there. The game was outstanding. Of course, we won. Got to bed about 2 o'clock. Hit the road again. Tune into what? WJR. Nice. Jamie and Chris and Lloyd. And now you. And I'm just basking in the globe of a big Michigan win. Oh, my gosh. I'm so happy for you. And I'm so happy that you. made the decision to go. A lot of people, I'm sure, thought about it and didn't go. My brother and my nephew, they kind of did the same thing. They went down as well. And they were sending pictures back and videos back. And it was just, I mean, it just had to be fabulous. I was in Indy on Thursday and Friday, we did the shows from Indy. And there was so much excitement there. But, man, you get to the finals and it's your team. And then they win it all. What was that moment like for you when you knew it when you knew they had it? So there were so many people around me where Michigan, right? And we were just counting it down and just screams. When that ball went down the court and the clock struck zero, it was pandemonium. Were you at all worried because I was a little worried when Yukon hit that bank shot three to get within four with about a minute or so left? I said, oh, no, they don't still have some of that magic they had against Duke, do they? Oh, there was definitely a hush in the crowd. Definitely a hush in the crowd. People thinking, no, this can't happen again. We're so close, we can't give it up. I was shocked how great Michigan did at the free throw line. At one point, they hit 20 in a row. I can't imagine the pressure in that huge arena, which looks very different from where they normally play at Chrysler, to be able to get up to the line and just kid after kid after kid making their free throws. And they needed them all. So that was certainly the difference in the game. If you look at all the statistics, that was the big telling difference. Absolutely. So you're headed home now? Yeah, be home in about another hour and a half. Maybe I'll hear some Paul Doug to you before I get home. I like it. I'm sure he'll be talking about Michigan. What a great win. And you didn't have to go to Michigan to love this one. This was one for all of the Big Ten, which hadn't won in over 20 years. And for all of the state of Michigan and everybody who loves basketball. This was just a great story, a great bunch of unselfish kids out there playing for one goal. And that was to win the championship. They got it done, mostly on defense and at the free throw line.

and that's not the way it's usually done. So it was pretty special, pretty fun, and it's been great talking about it here right on WJR. David, thanks for being a listener. We appreciate it, and thanks for calling in with the update. Let's go to David, another David, who's on the road. David, welcome to all talk. Thank you. Yeah, we're in Georgia, driving back to Ipsilani. Be safe out there. Thank you. Yeah, we've had a lot of news cycles. We just passed four big flags flying in Georgia. I vote conservatives. I'm listening to the news. Glad Michigan won, even though I'm a state fan. We've been hearing a lot about the rescue of the pilots, which we're very glad for. But I'm very concerned that there's no news cycles this morning that are talking about possible massive U.S. strikes in Iran. I do not disagree with what's happened so far, but I think the U.S. people need to be very concerned when we're talking about bombing a country back to the Stone Age. Yeah. I just don't hear any talk about it. You've had some guests on. There's been no mention of that this morning except for, you know, what Trump is saying. Yeah. Let's get some conversation going about that. Thanks, David. I appreciate it. And yes, boy, it's very concerning what he's saying. We really hope that it is just a negotiating tool to get Iran to come up with a deal so that none of what he's talking about will happen. Obviously, that will be all of the conversation later today and tomorrow as the deadline nears. Appreciate all the calls. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's all talk on a Tuesday. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-859-0-957. Donald Trump sends out. A message on true social. It says a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change, we're different, smarter, and less radicalized, minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionary wonderful can happen. Who knows? We'll find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption, death will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran. The deadline is tonight at 8 o'clock. We're giving them until tomorrow, 8 o'clock Eastern Time. I can tell you they're negotiating. We think in good faith. We're getting the help of some incredible countries that want this to be.

End it because it affects them also. A lot of people are affected by this. They have till tomorrow. Now, we'll see what happens. We really hope that some sort of negotiation takes place. The idea of a president of the United States saying a whole civilization will die tonight. I couldn't even imagine that statement ever being made. And he says if eight o'clock comes and there's no deal that's acceptable to him, then the U.S. is ready to go. We have a plan because of the power of our military where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant. in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock, and it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to happen. What do you think? 1-800-859-0-957, 1-800-9-0-WJR. Let's go out to Robert in Detroit. Robert, welcome to all talk. Robert, are you with us? We lost Robert. Robert was going to say that supporting troops means not going over there in the first place. And that is interesting because a lot of people, the majority of the United States, does not really support the idea of the U.S. striking Iran. The whole idea that it was unprovoked. that we didn't have to go in and do it. We had already done Operation Midnight Hammer several months ago, and that was supposedly to obliterate their nuclear capabilities. And when it was done, the president said that we had obliterated their nuclear capabilities. So I guess this time we went back to make sure that we obliterated their nuclear capabilities and also to take out their ballistic missiles because Donald Trump said they are a constant threat to our allies in the region and to our military bases in the region. So we took those out. And also they wanted to make sure that Iran can no longer fund these proxies that are a constant terror threat. The hoodies, Hamas, Hezbollah. And that apparently has taken place as well. And those were the original stated... goals. The original state of goal was not for a regime change in Iran. You remember in the beginning, we took out the Ayatollah and Donald Trump came out and said what a horrible person this was and that it needed to take place, that he needed to be taken out. But he said it's up to the people of Iran to come and take out to have a regime change if that's what they want to do. And that has not happened.

So we're still there, and now we have this deadline tonight. And there's another side to this because this morning there's a warning coming from one of the most powerful voices in finance. Jamie Diamond says the war in Iran could ripple through the entire economy, driving up inflation, pushing interest rates higher and potentially dragging markets down. We're already seeing oil prices spike. markets reacting. And so the question becomes, is this temporary? Or are we heading into something bigger, a bigger financial distress? Let's bring in Patrick Anderson, founder and CEO of Anderson Economic Group. Good morning. How are you? Good morning. I appreciate you coming on today. As you look at this from the financial side of things, what are your thoughts? We know gasoline is going up, oils up. I think it was $114 a barrel now. As you look at this, is Jamie Diamond right? Jamie Diamond, of course, is right that the war in Iran not only risks higher inflation, I think that's one of the smaller risks, but the whole disruption and all the uncertainty and the human loss that comes from a war. So obviously he's correct on that, and it's something that a lot of business leaders have been saying, and something I've been warning about since the day it started. I mean, war is something that... causes unpredictable events, and you have to expect that things will happen that are outside of your control, including very damaging things. And obviously, when we're talking about the area of the world that produces a lot of the energy, at a minimum, you're going to have energy disruptions and an oil shock. And obviously, that's all happening. Yeah, the Department of War said they need $200 billion for this effort. That is tax money that maybe might have gone somewhere else. It's going to go to this war effort. We don't know if that's just the beginning. We do know that when you talk about supply chains and things like that, that gets disrupted. All of this stuff eventually ripples down to consumers, correct? Ripples down comes to us directly. I mean, the effect on diesel and gasoline prices, natural gas prices, pretty immediate, as you've already seen. As Jamie Diamond said, and let me say as all the listeners are, of course, aware, there are big reasons why we should be involved in dealing with the number one sponsor of state terror in the world. And I don't want to minimize any of those. And Jamie Diamond said the same thing in his letter. But you do have to realize that if you start a hot war,

in that area, you are going to have at the minimum big energy disruption, at a minimum, that's going to raise these prices, and at a minimum that's going to flow through to consumer goods. It also means price of gasoline, diesel, are going to go up, and that affects prices particularly that are paid by people who buy cars and trucks, which are a signature product of Michigan and the Midwest. And they also create a lot of reasons for American consumers to say, maybe I'll hold off. Maybe I won't go buy that car. Maybe I won't make this investment. So all those things are happening. Yeah, and if it costs more to drive a big truck that's bringing all the items that we want, then the prices of that's going to go up as well. What does it do to the market when the president puts out on social media that a whole civilization will die tonight? I can mince words on this. I just don't think that the President of the United States should say that. I don't. You know, I, like others, have adjusted to some degree to differences in presidential rhetoric and style. And sometimes the things that Donald Trump says are deliberately entertaining, exaggerated, and otherwise, let me say, provocative. But I didn't find that very helpful. And I wish that the President of the United States hadn't said that. Yeah, I wish he hadn't said it either. The only thing I can think of is maybe it's some sort of, I don't know. negotiating tactic to let Iran know that he means it because he's saying it to the American people. But man, that is a tough, that is a tough thing to be saying, a tough thing to be hearing. And I imagine, you know, extremely difficult. What should, what should people be doing? We only got a couple seconds left. But what should people be doing now? Just holding tight? Boy, that's a tough thing. A question to answer in 20 minutes or 20 seconds. Yeah. Sorry, my bad. Fred, I don't have an answer for you on that one. Yeah, that's okay. Celebrating Michigan's victory. Yeah, right, because the world may be over tomorrow, so we must have celebrate U of M's big victory. Patrick Anderson. Thank you for your concern and your expertise. Founder and CEO of Anderson Economic Group. We'll do this again when we have more time. Thanks so much. That's it for all talk. Focus is next.