All Talk with Kevin Dietz ~ May 7, 2026 ~ Full Show

Good Thursday morning. Welcome to All Talk. I'm Kevin Dietz bringing you the latest headlines and the stories everyone is talking about. Today is the National Day of Prayer, something that has been officially recognized in America since 1952, but in reality goes all the way back to the founding of this country. What do you think when you hear the word prayer? What does prayer mean to you? Whether you're deeply religious, spiritually searching, skeptical, exhausted, grieving, hopeful, or just trying to survive life right now. I think prayer can help. People are overwhelmed. People are anxious. People are lonely. I know families are fractured. Financial pressure is crushing people. Mental health struggles are everywhere. And despite all the technology in the world supposedly connecting us, a lot of people have never felt more disconnected. And that's why I think this day of prayer matters now more than ever. Not because prayer magically fixes everything, not because everybody believes the same thing. But because prayer forces something rare in modern life, stillness. During prayer, you stop scrolling. You stop arguing. You stop performing. You stop pretending. And you sit with something bigger than yourself. Maybe for you, that's God. Maybe it's gratitude. Maybe it's reflection. Maybe it's asking for strength. Maybe it's asking for forgiveness. Maybe it's simply admitting, I don't have this all figured out. I think there's something healthy about that. We live in a culture right now where everybody's yelling at everybody. Everybody's attacking everybody. Everybody's branding themselves trying to win an argument online. What if instead everyone was praying? Prayer is humility. Prayer is quiet. Prayer is surrender. Prayer is hope. And whether you believe in organized religion or not, I think people desperately need spaces in life where they can pause long enough to reconnect with purpose, compassion, gratitude, forgiveness, and perspective. If we look in the mirror, we will see we are not doing a great job at being great humans right now. We've become fast to judge and slow to listen. Fast to rage and slow to heal. Fast to divide and slow to understand. And maybe one reason this country feels spiritually exhausted is because we've lost the ability to slow down, slow down long enough to reflect on who we are, what matters, and how we treat each other. Prayer can make you stronger. For a lot of people, it's the main thing that keeps them going. It's what parents do in hospital waiting rooms. It's what families do at funerals. It's what people whisper when they're terrified. It's what soldiers do before battle. It's what addicts do trying to survive another day. It's what grieving people do when there are no words left. And even people who say they never pray, often suddenly find themselves praying when life gets hard enough. So let's not wait until life is unbearable. Let's pray today. Whether you are happy or sad, today, take some time and pray. We need some reflection, some hope, some grace. And maybe we need each other more than we like to admit. I think the National Day of Prayer matters, not because everybody agrees, but because this country could really use some prayers. We'll take your calls at 9.35.

Here's a story everyone we'll be talking about. A federal judge has unsealed what appears to be a final handwritten note connected to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein before his 2019 death in a Manhattan jail cell. The note reportedly includes the phrase, time to say goodbye. adding another layer to the long-running public fascination and controversy surrounding Epstein's death. Authorities officially ruled Epstein's death of suicide after he was found hanging in his jail cell while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges. Despite that ruling, conspiracy theories have persisted for years due to a jailhouse failure, including broken cameras and Epstein's connections to wealthy and powerful figures. The newly released document became public as part of an ongoing court proceedings tied to records and evidence surrounding the case. Legal experts say the note itself may not settle public skepticism, but it provides additional insight into Epstein's final hours and state of mind. The release is expected to reignite debate over whether authorities fully answered all questions connected to one of the most notorious criminal cases in recent American history. Do you believe this note is authentic because people are already online saying it's a fake? Not surprised. We'll take your calls. 1-800-8-590 WJR at 935. And then there's this. Detroit, it's official. The PWHL is coming to Hockey Town. People are excited. Detroit will receive a professional women's hockey league expansion team for the 26-27 season. Hundreds of young female hockey players around the state are welcoming the news. And Maria Osborne spoke with one of them. Good morning, Marie. Oh, yeah. Among those young women is 17-year-old Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Cernie, a student at Bishop Foley High School, resident of Royal Oak. She's been playing hockey since she was six years old. I'm just so excited. I'm just so excited. And this will definitely give people like me, like a bunch of my teammates and friends and girls I've played. This will all give us hope for the future. Like it doesn't seem so far out of reach. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. played on a boys hockey team for 10 years. Now she's committed to play college hockey at Adrian. College in the fall, and she says the news today will up the game for girls and women's hockey in general. It's already so intense, but now, like, knowing that there's going to be something, like, professional so close to home, it's like, is there a chance? And she says she's considering playing pro today's announcement or the announcement yesterday, taking that dream a step closer to reality. Hockey girls are. They're tough, so I'm very happy for all of them, and I'm very happy for where this is going to go.

Now, if you're wondering how many people are interested in women's hockey, Andy Beshear is the PWHL Executive Vice President of Business Operations, and she said over the course of three seasons, they've averaged well over 13,000 fans a game, over 25,000 fans just this year alone over two games. So the fan base is there. Detroit's going to host the 2026 PWHL Award Ceremony, June 16th. The draft will be on the 17th, all at the Fox Theater in Detroit. It is ticketed. It's open to fans. And Kevin, this along with the WNBA expansion team announcement recently. It's time for women's sports to take a front row seat. I think it's a long past time for that. We started talking about this when Caitlin Clark hit the scene a couple of years ago. And everybody is saying, where have we been? These are fabulous athletes doing great things. We've got to get a spotlight on this. And can you imagine, you know, they're going to be playing these games at Little Caesar's Arena. That's just going to be incredible for these people who have this opportunity. And like you said, I mean, the fans are responding. And yesterday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was telling me that the fact that they're going to be played at Joe Lewis just adds that extra or rather little Caesar's Arena, pardon me, that that adds that extra little push, that extra little something that really, really is going to make this so spectacular. She says that she's, you know, she's been doing this for more than 10 years. This is a tried and true sport for young women in Michigan and elsewhere around the country. Michigan, by the way, has. the most players in the PWHL, second most behind Minnesota. So we have a lot of young women in our state the play. hockey. Oh, absolutely. And at 949, we're going to talk with Claude Mullenari, President's CEO of the Detroit Metro Convention and Visitors Bureau. Can you just imagine how great it is for those people who live downtown near the stadiums and like tonight the Pistons are playing? Last night the Tigers played. Now you got even on what would have been off nights, you got the women's hockey, the women's NBA. I mean, every night of the week, something is happening in downtown Detroit. And this just adds to this Detroit story. And I've talked to several restaurant owners. I know several of them in the downtown area. They say that now this is pretty much all year that they're keeping their business pretty steady. There's still ebb and flow, but pretty much steady throughout the year. And it is thanks to all of these events. And of course, it's not just sports. There's, you know, many other concerts and other things that happen at the venues downtown. But this is just keeping that excitement rolling from one week to the next. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. It's all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-859-0-957. 1-800-8-5-0-WJR. We're taking your calls at 935. Pick up the phone and be a part of the show. This morning we're talking about a growing political and spiritual clash that is now spilling onto the world stage. Donald Trump is once again publicly criticizing Pope Leo, this time over Iran, nuclear weapons, and global diplomacy.

So this might be an area in which, again, 60% of Cubans are practicing Catholics, might be an area in which they could find cooperation and coordination and be able to achieve both of their goals simultaneously. The Pope could open doors there? Oh, absolutely. I mean, there's no doubt. And so, again, because Cuba's specifically said, we will not allow, you know, U.S. humanitarian aid, again, this is a way to approach it that says, okay, well, we're, you know, the United States is not doing this. But the Catholic Church is going to, you know, provide assistance. And, you know, however the U.S. may help the Catholic Church and the Pope do that, I'm sure is something that they would be discussing and what that would actually look like. Donald Trump's criticism of the Pope, how is that resonating with conservative voters who, you know, typically prioritizing like things like the national security and things along those lines, the border control and things in those areas. Is this good for Donald Trump to be doing this with the Pope or is it bad for him politically? Well, I think what he's found is what, you know, most people find when they attack the Pope that the damage is usually done to the person doing the attacking and not necessarily the Pope. This Pope specifically enjoys a lot of tremendous amount of support from Catholics all around the world, especially, you know, here in the United States. And, of course, him being an American, you know, has increased relevance there. So I think. You know, when it comes to looking at, again, a coalition that he was, that President Trump was very successful in motivating and helping him return to the White House, there's been damage done. I mean, and that's, you know, that he can't deny that. So again, I think it's a, it's a very shrewd choice also sending Marco Rubio. over there to have this conversation. I think that, you know, as opposed to maybe someone like a JD Vance, Marco Rubio is going to be better received. Again, being someone of human descent, being someone who is Catholic. I think that he is going to be able to have a conversation with Pope Leo on a number of levels that would probably resonate more than someone else from the administration. So, again, it's a tacit acknowledgement that, you know, that... There's been some damage done within the Catholic community when it comes to President Trump's standing. But again, this is an attempt to make gains and to set the table for what might come using the Pope and the Vatican as a potential ally.

Yeah, I think Marco Rubio was the perfect choice to send. I think people look at him as trying to be diplomatic. And I think a lot of people look at Donald Trump as thinking diplomacy might be viewed as a weakness for him. He seems to come always with the, you know, the stick first or the, you know, the threat first, where Marco Rubio seems to come across differently. Yes, and as Secretary of State, especially in Europe, he's seen as a traditional diplomatic actor who understands alliances, negotiation, institutional relationships. So, you know, it will serve again well on both fronts because as he, you know, talks to the head of the Italian government. Prime Minister Maloney and her government, he'll be able to take one tact, but again, you know, the Vatican requires a little bit of a softer hand there. That's more about negotiations than it is about, you know, sort of forcing them to go one way or the other. So, yeah, it was a very wise choice. Again, you can't help but look at it and see it in the context of 2028. So this is something that he's able to successfully negotiate. come off the world stage looking better, then again, you know, I'm sure that will just increase the talk that, you know, that he's going to be one, if not the frontrunner for the Tony Twait Republican nomination for president. If you were advising Donald Trump, would you just tell him to sit back and let Marco do his thing right now, or would you tell him to jump in and comment throughout this trip? You know, the funny thing is no matter what advice he would follow his own. So, yeah, it really wouldn't matter. What do you think he'll do? No, I mean, I think he will allow, you know, he'll give Marco Rubio a little bit of room to see where this goes. I think there are some other things that right now, as it pertains to Iran, that is garnering their attention. So I think there will be a little bit of room. But, of course, if the president sees an opportunity to comment or something that he doesn't like, he will make sure that everyone is aware of that. Dennis Darno, founder of Densar Consulting, great talking with you again. Thanks. Have a great day. Take care. All right. Yeah, we're going to take your calls. 1-800-8-590 WJR. I'm pretty sure if Donald Trump holds a press conference, which he seems to do every day, people will ask him about Marco Rubio's trip, and I'm sure he will comment, and I'm sure it probably won't help matters much. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. And it's 935. That means it is your turn to talk. 1,800-859-0-957, 1-800-8-5-0-WJR. Pick up the phone and be a part of the show. Yeah, today's National Day of Prayer, observed across America on the first Thursday of May. I think prayer is important. I'm wondering if people out there still take the time to pray, or are we all too busy? Give me a call, 1-800-859-0-957. Are we spending so much time?

following and debating politics that we no longer leave any time for daily prayer. Do you only pray when you need a miracle, or do you pray when things are going great? Maybe you pray every day. If you do pray, I'd love to know when you pray and where you pray and how you pray. I'd like to have people call in and share their stories. Has prayer ever helped you through a hard moment in your life? Have you ever just been at a point where you said, I got to drop down to my knees and pray right now? And if so, did it help you in any way? Do you think America has just become spiritually disconnected? I kind of do. And I don't think it's a good thing. I think this country is angrier than ever before because we're just so busy that we don't take time to reflect or meditate or pray. Because even if you're not religious, I think people still need moments of reflection and silence. I really do. And I think it's human nature to turn to prayer during a crisis, but why not pray every day? Why just during a crisis? I think people are stressed, people are anxious, families are struggling. We talk about mental health issues all the time, financial pressures. I think sometimes... A little quiet, a little prayer, a little meditation could really help us with this, especially the anxiety and stress we face. 1-800-859-0-957. Let's go to Ken and Livonia. Ken, welcome to all talk. Yeah, I just want to quickly touch on the subject of the National Day of Prayer. Now, officially, I'm a Christian. I follow the Triune God. I believe in the Triune God. And this is officially, people of my faith don't support the National Day of Prayer because now you are asking us to support people who pray to gods that don't exist, Paul Scott. There again, I'm a Trinitarian, and if you don't believe in the Holy Trinity, then you're praying to a God that doesn't exist. And that's why we don't support the National Day of Prayer because they want to promote the idea of religious fellowship. Would you feel better if it was the National Day of Prayer or meditation? No, no, because there again, what you're asking is you're asking those who pray to the true God. to say that those who pray to gods that don't exist, false God, that it's okay for them to believe what they believe. That's why we wouldn't support the National Day of Prayer. Thank you, Ken. I appreciate you listening, and I appreciate you calling in. Let's go to Ohio and check in with Ron. Ron, welcome to all talk. Hi there. Pleasure being on your program. That last guy threw me for a loop there. That's okay. You get somebody like Billy Graham's son and people like that that have always endorsed that National Day of Prayer. He should look at it from...

a Christian point of view. And as far as prayer movements, there's a United U.S., there's the Navigators, there's a Turning Point USA, you see kids blocking the church and Bible studies on campuses all over. You'll look at Lifewise this education program that was started by a football player in Ohio State back in 2018. They packed a gym down there, 5,000 kids praying not so long ago on that campus. So some people, they don't pay attention. I don't know what they're paying attention to. But just to quote a scripture, the Lord said, the only way to the Father is through me. I am the way, the truth, and the life. So I agree with him. You pray that God, the Holy Spirit, you know, the Trinity, but not to the other gods. don't use this as an excuse not to pray i would be out there witnessing and pushing the prayer that he thinks is accurate and uh... that's my I'm nervous about calling you because he threw me for a loop little bit. I had an all plan. Oh, you did great, Ron. Thank you for listening, and we appreciate your point of view on this. Yeah, I talked to my priest, and he has been sending me articles from all over the country about how young people are coming back to the church, and that makes me feel really, really good. Let's go to Jen and Westland. Jen, how do you pray? Well, during COVID, I found out that if I say the hell Mary, our father, when I wash my hands, 20 seconds, so now it's a habit. Every time I wash my hands, I say it. And then I found out, too, that I not only pray for myself, I pray for everybody every time I wash my hands. I think that's a great idea. And hopefully you wash your hands often because we could all use some prayers. Yeah, they say, I can't remember, but during COVID, we talked to a doctor and they said, by the way, you're supposed to wash your hands for, I don't know, a minute and a half or whatever the time was. I don't remember exactly because some people wash their hands. They don't wash their hands long enough. So if you're doing our father and a couple of Hell Marys, you'll also be hitting the health requirements. I love that, Jen. Thanks for sharing that. Let's go to Chris. Chris, welcome to All Talk. Hi, Kevin. I'm a Catholic Christian, and I say a rosary every single day. And I've also, I guess, in my years, learned that if people are praying for me, but they're of different religions or different spiritual backgrounds or whatever. If they're praying for me, I accept it into my heart. And I do not care what religion they are or what spiritual background is. If someone has it upon their heart to take their time to pray for you, accept that into your heart. And what the gentleman said a few callers back about John 14.6.

Yeah, I would strip away the entire Bible, and I think it all comes down to John 146. How long does it take you to say the rosary? Well, I say it with the one priest on YouTube while I try to memorize it here. It's about 18 minutes. Thank you. It's not a lot of time. No, it's not a lot of time. 18 minutes. I think about how much time we spend doing so many other things to be able to say the rosary in about 20 minutes, I think is great. And I'm happy that you're able to do that. Let's go to Rod and Plymouth. Rod, welcome to all talk. Hey, thanks. You know, this is only my opinion, Kevin, but prayer is more of a mental state with God. It's not on a whim. It's your completeness with God. You're one-on-one relationship with the Lord. You know, God wants to hear. Are you worthy of your hopeful answer versus his understanding of his will that he's going to hand down to? There's much more prayer than just ask and you'll receive. It's a compilation of... your knowledge of the Bible, of his word, and of those hopeful things that your will becomes like God's well. Thanks, Kevin. Yeah, but I appreciate it, Rod. Thanks so much. Yeah, we, you know, we see people praying in hospital waiting rooms. We see people praying at funerals. I know people who suffer from addiction pray every day. at times of loss, divorce. I just think we should pray every day and set aside some time. We set aside time for so many other things. Set aside a little time for prayer. Give it a try. Try for 30 days. Try for 90 days and see if it makes a difference in your life and your attitude. All right, quick break. We'll be back. We'll take more of your calls on this as well. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin D. It's coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-8-5-9-7-1-800-9-0-W-JR. Detroit, it's official. The P-WHL is coming to Hockey Town. All right, Hockey Town. This is a big moment for Detroit sports. Women's professional hockey is officially coming to Detroit as the PWHL announced the city will receive an expansion franchise playing at Little Caesar's Arena. And honestly, this feels bigger than just adding another sports team because Detroit has really always viewed itself as Hockey Town, right? The identity runs deep here. You think about the Red Wings culture and history. You think about all the neighborhood rinks around Michigan in the winter, youth hockey, generations of family. connected to this game. And with this announcement, really, it helps shape hockey's future. Let's bring in Claude Molinari, president, CEO of the Detroit Metro Convention and Visitors Bureau. Good morning. Claude, how are you? Best day of my life, Kevin. Absolutely. Detroit. Everybody loves Detroit. You got to know that they had to be thinking a little bit about Detroit's passion for the game of hockey.

Yeah, we're so thrilled that the PWHL has selected Detroit as its newest expansion team. And, you know, you mentioned that we're called Hockey Town. That's not just a moniker. I mean, USA hockey, which handles all amateur hockey for the United States, they have districts. Like there's the New England District, there's the Mid-Atlantic District, there's the Far West District. There's a Michigan district, like just Michigan. Like New England, all those New England states, that's a group. We have our own district. Only Minnesota and Michigan have their own district just for the state. And we are Hockey Town to the maximum. And I've been an ice hockey referee since I was 13 years old. And I refereed a lot of the gals that are going to be in the PWHL. you know, competing professionally. And it's such a thrill that they're coming to Little Caesar Arena. Well, who better then to talk to than you about the growing interest in hockey with women and women's sports nationwide? Oh, no question. You think about like Megan Keller who scored the gold medal winning goal at the last Olympics. She's a Michigander and she's going to be playing in this league. And I think that there's just, again, I also think what a, what an opportunity, you know, as a young lady who's competing who can say, wow, I can play professional. hockey and I could do it in my hometown even potentially. And again, I think that sharing the ice with the iconic Detroit Red Wings is another great thing. And really, we have such a great hockey culture in Michigan. And I think this is another way of showcasing this amazing city. And again, it's going to draw more people to come and visit because they're going to want to see this great hockey team. Yeah, I don't think it was exactly a tryout, but we had an opportunity to show that we love women's hockey, and we showed up. The attendance was strong. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it was over 15,000 people for each time that we've had those games. And again, those are great numbers. And I don't think it was just like a novelty, like, oh, we're getting to see a professional women's hockey game. I think that's why the PWHL is probably a total no-brainer to say, we've got to bring a team to Detroit because. Again, original six team, huge hockey culture. I got to imagine that we have more women's amateur hockey players than probably any other state in the country. Maybe Minnesota is close to us, but I doubt it. Yeah, it's us in Minnesota, neck and neck. That's for sure. I think another great reason that Detroit was chosen is we have fabulous corporate support in this city.

Oh, no question. I mean, the amount of between the two largest mortgage companies in the nation with so many amazing banks, some of the biggest banks in the country, Delta Airlines, second largest hub in the whole world is in Detroit. I mean, there's industry, I didn't even mention automotive. I think we have a couple of powerful automotive groups here, too. Right. What do you think adding a PWHL team says about Detroit as a sports city? Well, you know, you think about this, Kevin. Only New York City and Minneapolis have an NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, WNBA coming, and PWHL team, plus with us building that Corktown soccer stadium for the DCFC, Detroit City Football Club. I mean, like, I don't know. Is there another city that can claim this plus? all of it being downtown right in the heart of the action. We have an incredible sports culture, rabid fans who are supporting our teams, whether they're in the NBA playoffs or struggling to get to the next level. But it's just really, we just do an incredible job as a destination of really supporting our teams and showcasing them on a national, international stage. Yeah, tonight we got the Pistons at LCA. Yesterday the Tigers were playing at Comerica. I mean, what better time to be in Detroit, come to Detroit. And how about the folks who decided to move down to Detroit near the stadiums? They have something nearly every night. And now on what might have been an off night, now you've got this incredible opportunity to see women's hockey. We also have the WMBA coming. I mean, the Little Caesars Arena was the fifth busiest arena in the world prior to adding a WNBA and a PWHL team. Plus all the concerts, all the theater. I mean, there's, I had a promoter asking me, like, what would be a good time to have an event where there'd be nothing else going on? I'd be like the day after never. Because there's always, always, I mean, our theater districts, our shows, we have. It's really amazing. And so there's always events going on. There's always activity, both downtown and throughout the region. And it's really just a wonderful time to be part of this great ecosystem, which is Detroit and Southeast Michigan. Well, I think it's great that women's sports are finally getting the attention that they've deserved for years. And I love the idea of moms and their daughters coming down to watch a game, not that dads and their sons won't come down and watch these games as well. But I think it's great to really open all of the sports up to everybody. Well, and again, I think that, you know, as I was a kid growing up, I could emulate, you know, great hockey players and baseball players that, you know, and obviously I never had the kind of skill that could take me to that next level, but you could aspire to and see and say, that could be me. And now, you know, you've got these wonderful athletes who can now look and say, that could be me. Like, I see where this roadmap could take me.

and play college hockey, and then go and play professional women's hockey. I mean, those are wonderful opportunities that didn't exist. It's absolutely just great news. I was glad to hear it yesterday, and I'm very excited, as I have been for a long time, about Detroit as one of the great sports cities in America. Claude Mollinari, president and CEO of the Detroit Metro Convention Visitors Bureau. Thanks so much for joining us this morning. Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate it. Yeah, it's just incredible. I'm going to go down to the Pistons game tonight. I wanted to go to the Tiger game yesterday. I wasn't able to make it over there. But literally, almost every day, you can go to a game in the city of Detroit. And the arenas are spectacular. The fans are great. It's just there's so much going on down here. The restaurants that are popping up around the stadiums and throughout the city of Detroit and the bars as well. There's just so many. different things. Every time you come down, it can be a different adventure. If you haven't done it in a while, it's definitely time to give it a try. So I'll talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. Welcome into the 10 o'clock hour of all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building, bringing you the latest headlines and the stories that everyone is talking about. Brandon Robinson, a 42-year-old Detroit man, pleaded guilty to wire fraud and aggravated identity theft in a massive federal student-aid fraud scheme that prosecutors say operated for nearly a decade. Federal authorities said Robinson submitted fraudulent financial aid claims for more than 1,200 individuals at over 100 schools across 24 states between 2015 and 2024. Investigators say the operation used straw students who enrolled primarily to collect federal student aid benefits rather than for education. According to prosecutors, the scheme fraudulently generated more than $16 million in federal student aid awards with over $10 million of that money actually being paid out. Robinson also admitted filing more than 100 fraudulent unemployment insurance claims that resulted in more than a million dollars in improper payments. Federal prosecutors described the fraud as an industrial scale operation. targeting taxpayer-funded aid programs, and Robinson now faces up to 20 years in prison, plus a mandatory consecutive two-year sentence for identity theft. I can't believe it took 10 years to figure out this guy was doing that. A Texas jury sentenced former FedEx driver Tanner Horner to death for the kidnapping and murder of 7-year-old Athena Strand. Now, you may be thinking, wow. Mr. Horner, if you stand, please. It's the order of the court that you, Tanderlin Horner, then the judge to be guilty of the offensive capital murder is found by the jury. The jury, having answered the special issues making it mandatory that your punish your punishment be death.

Prosecutor said Horner abducted Athena in 2022 after delivering a package near her home in Wise County, Texas. Authority said the child disappeared after leaving her home following an argument with her stepmother. Investigators later determined Horner struck Athena with his vehicle, kidnapped her, and killed her before dumping her body in a rural area. The suspect had covered an in-car camera in his truck, but the audio was preserved. You may be thinking, wow, maybe we have video of the whole thing. Nope. Somebody covered up the camera because they don't want you to see. Guess what? Audio is still running, and you're going to hear it. You're going to hear what a 250-pound man can do to a 67-pound child. And when I say it's horrible, I mean it. I've been doing this 25 years, and I promise you, buckle up. Athena's family said they hope the verdict brings some measure of justice after a tragedy that devastated their community and shocked the country. He was sentenced to death. JD Vance said a federal fraud task force has identified approximately 186,000 deceased individuals who are still listed as receiving SNAP food assistant benefits. JD Vance made the comments while promoting the Trump administration's broader crackdown on fraud, waste, and abuse within federal benefit programs. And ladies and gentlemen, people have asked me, you know, I'm the leader of the fraud task force in Washington. And people have asked me, is that a hard job? And I say, well, let me think. Finding fraud in the federal government, it's kind of like fishing in a barrel with dynamite. Faye Bay Dune, the politically connected leader of nonprofit Global Link International, has been charged with 16 criminal counts tied to a controversial $20 million state grant. On Monday, my office charged Faye Dune with 16 felony crimes for her alleged misuse of funds and deceptive administration of a state legislative grant awarded to Global Link International. The investigation began after reports revealed questionable spending tied to the grant, including a $4,500 coffee maker, an $11,000 first-class airline ticket, luxury purchases, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries. Nestle said the investigation remains active and warned additional charges could still be filed against Baydune and potentially other individuals connected to the case. The probe has also placed scrutiny on the Michigan Economic Development Corporation with CEO Quentin Messer still. considered a potential target in the ongoing investigation. Tonight, the Pistons are back in action for game two against the Cleveland Cavaliers. Let's bring in WJR sports analyst Steve Courtney. Hey, Steve. Good morning once again, everyone. So, yeah, here the Pistons are a team that went 18 years without a home playoff win. Now they're trying to gather a few in a row, right? Pistons coming off. The game won win, 11, 101, over the Cleveland Cavaliers. Cade was Cade, 23 points. Tobias Harris had 20. Interesting to note, Duncan Robinson. He had 19. He was 5 of 8 from beyond the ark. That being said.

The book on the Cavaliers coming into this semifinal series, Kev, they would launch a lot of threes and make a lot of threes. But you go back to game one. Not so much. 14 of 38 from three point land. That, my friends, is 37%. Now, the Pistons certainly can't, as we look forward to game two tonight, can't pencil the Cavaliers in for 20 turnovers. By the way, going back to that stat on Tuesday night, that led to 31. Detroit Pistons points. Now, James Harden had seven turnovers all by himself, and after the game, who was interesting, he said, you look within first, look at my turnovers, and a lot of them are just on me, and nothing they did. I don't necessarily believe that, because the Pistons were playing, well, the type of defense we've come to know and appreciate. But it was a strange game, game one, in the fact that it appeared as though the Pistons were just all over the Cavaliers. Next thing you know, 528 left and this thing is tied at 93. So for People's Exhibit Akev, I introduce Assar Thompson. He is a gnat. out there. He is just a defensive juggernaut. Game 1, 11 points to go along with eight boards, five assists. He had a steal to go along with a block. And I think he is going to be, again, the X factor in this series. Also, when you take a look at the Andy Biggs for the Cavaliers, Jared Allen, who was huge in their game seven win over Toronto and 19 rebound performance to go along with 22 points. Not a factor because of early foul trouble. Jared Allen limited to two points to go along with three boards. That brings us to Jalen Duren. Certainly a hot button during that Orlando series. He played 35 minutes in game one. He had a double, double, 11 points to go along with 12 boards. I think it's absolutely critical that he continues to provide that sort of performance for the piss. looking to take a two nothing series lead going back to Cleveland. How big would that be? 7 o'clock is the tip at LCA tonight. Your Pistons, by the way, favored by three and a half. I tell you, in that last game, the way they moved that ball around and got everybody involved and had multiple players in double digits, I hope we see more of that tonight. Well, you know what? As I mentioned, you tied 93 apiece, 528 to go, and then what happens? You've got the Cade Cunningham to Jalen Duren connection for three straight stuffs. You know, that's the type of contributions the Pistons need from Jalen Duren.

All right, it all gets going tonight. Steve Courtney, thanks so much. All right, Kevin, enjoy this day, huh? Go Pistons. Go Pistons. All right, quick break. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Deetz coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-8-5-9-7-1-800-8-9-0-JR. We're going to take your calls at 1035. Read your text. Pick up the phone. Be a part of the show. This story keeps getting bigger. More expensive and honestly more troubling for Detroit taxpayers. What started as concerns over contaminated dirt at a few demolition sites is now expanded into an investigation involving roughly 650 locations across the city. The cost continues climbing into the millions. The FBI has now taken over the criminal investigation. Now, if you follow journalist Charlie LaDuff, you know all this because he's been saying for a long, long time that this is a serious cover-up going on and it needs to be exposed. Join us now is Charlie LaDuff, host of the No BS News Hour. Good morning, Charlie. Hey, good morning. How are you doing, my friend? I'm doing well. I appreciate you being here. I appreciate the work that you do. This demolition program, it was supposed to be like the big thing. Former Mayor Mike Duggan's biggest success. It is completely unraveled. It has. And again, you know, back in the day you were covering this and television, remember? Yep. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is a quarter of a billion federal dollars that came in here. And then seven years of a grand jury, you know, multimillion dollar settlements, bunch of garbage in the holes. And then the people Detroit decided they were going to tax themselves, borrow another quarter billion dollars, and do it under prop ends. So now it's starting to unravel because... There's a whole litany. There's a line here. Back in the day, the Fed said to Dougan, who signed a consent agreement with them, hey, man, you got to keep track where there's dirt's coming from. We need receipts where you got it. Never instituted it. The Fed subpoenaed all this stuff in 2021. City said they didn't have it. The Fed said, what? $13 million, please. Now, the OIG Office of Inspector General of Detroit was looking into this guy, Anga guy, the latest culprit allegedly. And they said, hey. There's no receipts of where this stuff's coming from. You guys, this guy's been letting this go on forever. Why? Because dirt's really expensive when you need a lot of it. And a lot of guys got rich. And now we got a guy running for governor. No site doesn't talk about demolition now. It's trying to downplay. Call it fake. Call it a political move with no traction. This is highways. This is PCBs. This is plastic, chromium. It's bad, man. Explain to people how it's supposed to work for people who don't know. How it's supposed to work where you get the dirt? Yeah. Yeah, you go to quarry. You pull up. You say, load up the truck with a nice, fluffy, fresh, clean soil. You drive onto a scale. They weigh it, minus the way to the truck, and they send you a bill. You bought this dirt on this date for this amount. We don't have any records of it. And how did it, and how did it go down? It just went like this. Just write down on a piece of paper, you know, where you got it.

Seriously. I mean, this is like toxic dirt in people's neighborhoods because not every house in the entire neighborhood was demolished. Some people still live next to these sites. Exactly. Now, it rolls outfield into this. The old Northland Mall development, those city leaders decided they wanted to get into development of a city within a city a decade ago. They told contractors from around the region, come dump your crap here. We're going to stuff the tunnels beneath the mall full of it. Never tested it. All of a sudden, Detroit contractors were picking it up and dumping it in in Detroit. So we got a double poisoning. And again, today, city officials in Southfield canceled their appointment with me because they can't show me analytics. Now, let me do one more thing for the media. Hope they're listening. It's not 650 holes. That was a couple of months ago. It's well over 1,000. We did 30,000 of these in the last decade. And the latest... contract giving out to dig up a hole and fill a hole back up 50 grand that went through yesterday or Tuesday $50,000 so do a thousand holes comes $50,000 you got $50 million just off the rip city doesn't have it Let's talk about the lack of transparency while all of this was going on because back in the early days, I remember the city saying, oh, look, it looks like, you know, one or two contractors maybe made a mistake in one or two sites and we're going to get after this and we're going to clean it up and we're going to do everything that it takes. They knew this problem was much bigger than that at the time. They knew it was huge. Look, man, you remember this? There was a bland theory impaneled. A grand jury. In the end, here's what happened, because I talked to the Treasury agents. The U.S. Attorney, the Don Eisen, according to these agents, refused to take a criminal or a civil case. So they threw a few contractors under the bus and gave the case to Nestle. But, again, this is 30,000 of these. I'm going to give you some perspective. If you tore down every house in Flint, that would be 30,000 houses. Did this? Massive. Do you think, I mean, do you think the city was looking the other way because they were so proud of being able to demolish so many houses and they had such a hefty goal for demolition? Or do you think they were unaware what these contractors were doing? Oh, they were aware, man, because, you know, the city hall tried to sue me. The city tried to sue me for defamation to get others. charged in criminal court. None of it worked, of course. It was a massive cover-up. And the reason they did it is so the contractors could make some money, they're donors, you know, and they could get it done fast. They didn't care about the health of the people. Get it done. Who cares about dirt? Nobody sees it. Listen to what Dougan tells you at the end of the year at that press conference. You know, you'd have to play around in it for 10 years deep down for anything to happen. This guy, this guy wants to be your governor. This is amazing, man. In my estimation, if we were real about this, $500 million to clean it up, maybe more. So.

Do you, where do you think the FBI is going to go with this investigation? How upset are they over what's happened, especially since they, you know, notified the city early that they needed to get receipts on the dirt and they just ignored them? They ignored. That was U.S. Treasury. They ignored. A lot of us believe, you know, and this is, you know, investigators, et cetera, right? I can't tell you who. But that was a play by City Hall. Mary Sheffield. did know that the FBI had this case because her administration ordered the police department to give it to the FBI. Why? FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction. This isn't federal money. It's local money. So what would the feds be looking? What could they possibly look at? PPP rip off. Maybe we use some ARPA money, but it goes to the FBI to die because they move glacially. So I don't have a lot of hope there. A lot of people deep in this investigation don't have a lot of hope. And City Hall simply not telling the truth. I called the Department of Natural Resources. It wasn't referred to them either. There was another guy from another federal jurisdiction. He sees me and goes, keep up to good work. We all know it's going on, but we don't have jurisdiction. Do you have any confidence that environmentally it's going to be cleaned up properly for these people who still live there? That's why for the people, I'm over the moon that you would have me on because it's very serious. There's a reason it goes to a super fun site to be bumped and it didn't. So hopefully somebody in a position who already knows do something. Do something for the people of Southfield. Do something for the people of Detroit. Well, I moderated the Republican debate last week. All four of those guys on stage committed to helping the people who did not do this to themselves. They're a victim of their elected government. There's no doubt about it, Kevin. Yeah, so ultimately, you know, this money is going to end up having to be spent and the taxpayers are going to get stuck with this with no real explanation and just an endless, endless investigation that possibly, it won't go nowhere, but it won't go all the way to the top. I hate to be like, let's just remember something. Flint didn't do it to themselves either, did they? Their government did it to them. And we bailed Flint out because they're our community. Of course, we're going to clean this up. But nobody did a day in jail in Flint. In fact, after Flint, the guy that put the Flint water deal together, right? Boom. Dougan hires him in about 2015, 2016, to be the chief operating officer of Detroit when all of this stuff was going down.

That's the web we're dealing with. Yeah, and Flynn, even the people who've pled guilty ended up getting punished. They reversed them. Absolutely, absolute mess. Charlie Dove, host of the No BS NewsHour, thank you so much for the work you do. We appreciate you coming on and updating people on this. And keep digging. Hopefully the rest of the media will as well. What are you? Why do you keep digging? Pun intended. All right, my brother. Have a great weekend. All right. We'll talk to you. Quick break. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. And it's 1035. That means it's your turn to talk. 1-800-8-5-9-0-9-7. Pick up the phone. Give us a call. Give us a text. Be a part of the show. 1-800-8-5-90 W-JR. We were reminding people today's National Day of Prayer. We had a lot of calls on this earlier. We want to give people another opportunity to weigh in on this. It's observed across America on the first Thursday of May. I personally think prayer is really important. And I'm wondering if people still take time to pray or not. Or are we all too busy? Are we spending so much time, I don't know, following Donald Trump and whatever he's doing, debating politics, going online, scrolling, whatever it is we do with all of our time, that there's no longer time left for prayer? I'm wondering, do people only pray in desperate times of needs when you need that miracle? Or do you pray when things are going great? I wonder how many people pray every day. And if so, you know, where do they pray? When do they pray? How do they pray? 1-800-859-0-957 on this National Day of Prayer. Let's go to Mike and Brighton. Mike, welcome to all talk. Hi, Kevin. Thanks for having me on today. You bet. Say, yeah, we pray every day, not just when things are going our way or things are bad. We pray for those who are sick in our church or our own family, that their sickness brings them closer to God. We also pray for those who would want to do us harm. I think it's really important to sometimes people stray. I think that's great. I really do. People forget that every day is a good day. Some days are better than others. Yeah, every day, every day is a blessing to be here. I tell you, I like what you said there. I tend to pray on, I pray every day, but I pray for when things are going good, I say thank you, and when things are going bad, I pray for strength and patience. I probably don't. pray enough for other people. And when you said that, it reminded me, my grandma would say the rosary every day, and she would pray for all of her kids and her grandkids, and she would pray for strangers as well. And I think that's really important in addition to, you know, praying for what we feel our own needs are or the things that are going well in our lives, to pray for. Mike, how long do you pray for? Because of what's going on in life. I mean, both my wife and I've been very, very sick, but also we pray for just, well, you pray for your leaders, whether you're believing them or not. Yeah. You have to support your leaders. You have to pray. Each topic is different, and each topic takes longer or short amount of time. So it's however long it takes. It's not really a set time that we set to pray, but each time is different. Yeah. What's going on?

Well, thanks for listening, Mike, and thanks for calling in. I appreciate that. Mike praise every day and praise for himself, his family, and for others, and for our world leaders. We had a call her earlier in the show who said every time she washes her hands, she prays. I think that's interesting because it then becomes sort of a muscle memory thing or reflex. You turn that water on and it reminds you while you're washing your hands to take a couple of minutes to pray. I don't think you have to necessarily go to a church to pray, although I think that's a good thing too. A lot of people go to daily mass and pray at church. When we drive up north, we get in the car, and we always say three hellmeries. But I don't do that before I go to work. Maybe I should. There's a lot of opportunities to pray in our day, and there's a lot of noise that we could turn off. And I think it's worth talking about on this National Day of Prayer. Let's go to Joe. Joe, welcome to all talk. Yes, good morning, everybody. I had to look this up, of course. President Truman designated the first Thursday of May, National Day of Prayer, 1952. However, this goes all the way back to 1775 when the Continental Congress asked the colonies to pray for wisdom informing the nation, and the call to prayer has continued throughout our history. Now, for me, I live in Hamtranic, and I don't know if you remember a while back, there was a big hullabaloo about the Muslim call to prayer being broadcast over the loudspeakers. To me, that was a call to prayer, a reminder of prayer. And it's actually a reminder. Originally, it was invited to invite all faiths to pray for the nation, its leaders, and its citizens. And when I read that, it reminded me of Thanksgiving, which is a national day of Thanksgiving to God. That's what our founders proclaimed. Yeah, I thank you for that, Joe. I appreciate that. I think our country is deeply rooted in prayer. And I think you're right. I think it goes back to the very beginning. And today, I think about where we're at. And I'm sure times were stressful back then too. It seems like these days everybody is so stressed out and so anxious. I know so many families are struggling with so many different things, whether it's financial pressures or mental health issues with one of their family members.

And I think about, you know, all this time we spend on social media and scrolling on our phones. I think they say the young people are on it six or seven hours a day scrolling. And they, you know, the idea was it was supposed to keep us connected, but we're less connected than ever. And I think that's one reason why prayer is really important. I think connecting in prayer is really important. I think it will help with some of those feelings of stress and anxiety. Let's go to Rob and Shelby. Rob, welcome to all talk. Yes, hi, everyone. I want to say just that the Our Father prayers, the almighty prayer that I would love to share with all your listeners. And Jesus said, in this manner, so do pray. So I believe that everyone has a good reference with the Our Father prayers being the foundation of like-minded prayer. So that's all I wanted to share. So if you take that in heart. It's a great prayer. I think it's the first prayer or one of the first prayers. Rob, thank you for that. Yeah, I sometimes, I don't know if you guys have like, you know, hey, Siri or hey Google or Alexa or whatever any of those systems are. But every once in a while I walk by, I have one in my kitchen. I have one in my office at home. And I walk by and I'll say, you know, hey, hey, Google, hey, Alexa, say the Our Father prayer. And it pulls it right up and it says it and say, hey, say the. Hell Mary Prayer. It pulls it up and says it. You can say it along with your technology. Technology can be used, you know, for finding out more to pray. Chat GPT. People are using it for all kinds of things. Ask chat GPT, what a good way to pray is. It will give you some fabulous ideas of how to pray. Sometimes praying is just getting started. People say, I don't know how to pray. I don't even know what to say. I suggest it's just having a conversation. Just a simple conversation about how you're doing, what's going on in your day. You can start there, just like you talk to anybody. You can talk that way in prayer. But you can find a lot of good ways to pray, and I think it's more important now than ever. And today is National Day of Prayer. So, you know, if you're so inclined, take a few minutes and say a prayer. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin D. It's coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. On Monday, my office charged Febe Dune with 16 felony crimes for her alleged misuse of funds and deceptive administration of a state legislative grant awarded to Global Link International. That was Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel who has filed criminal charges against Faye Bay Dune, the politically connected head of a nonprofit that received a controversial $20 million state grant. Prosecutors now allege fraud, forgery, misuse of taxpayer money, and what Dana Nessel described as a system built around political connections and minimal oversight. Let's bring in Paul Egan, Lansing Bureau Chief for the Detroit Free Press. Good morning. Paul, how are you? Good morning, Kevin. Great story on this in the Detroit Free Press. I encourage people to go and read it. As we look at this, remind us and our listeners here, who is Faye Bay Dune and what is she accused of doing here?

Yeah, Fay Big Dune is, you know, was a pretty prominent person in the, in the Dearborn Metro Detroit community. She was on the board of the Arab American Chamber of Commerce. She's a former vice chair of the Michigan Democratic Party. So, and she was appointed by Governor Gretchen Whitmer to the executive committee of the Michigan Economic Development Corporation. So, you know, she was a person with, with a lot of connections. politically and in the business community. You know, one thing I should say right off the back, Kevin, is, you know, sort of full credit to Beth LeBlanc, the Detroit News on this story. This was kind of was her story from day one and not only the other media, but the Attorney General's investigators basically followed her lead and actually this investigation that led to these criminal charges announced yesterday. Yeah, I appreciate that. When it comes to Faye Bay Dune and her political connections, do people allege that she was able to get this grant because of those connections? Yes, even Attorney General Dana Nessel basically said that yesterday, that, you know, that the grant application, you know, the proposal was like a, you know, was like a page long, you know, it had like three bullet points. There was a former MEDC official who told investigators, like it was one of the worst proposals he'd ever seen that it was not fundable. But, you know, it appears that bay dune was working on getting this grant even before even before quentin messer who's the CEO of the mEDC even before he was appointed she was she was in touch with him about it you know she went directly to the state budget director she hired or well or at least she worked with a a a kind of a consultant from okamas who had strong Republican connections. So she was kind of, you know, although her contacts were mostly on the Democratic side, she was she was kind of working both sides, which was important because at the time the legislature was Republican controlled while the governor's office under government Gretchen Whitmer was controlled by a Democrat. Now, what was she supposed to do with this 20 million? Yes, it was to be a, they called it a business accelerator program. And basically, because Ms. Baydun also had strong international connections, the idea was that she would, she would kind of attract and recruit. business investment from around the world, Middle East, other places, establish business contacts and bring in people that wanted to invest serious money in Michigan. According to the Attorney General, there's almost no evidence that anything...

contributing to that ever happened with the you know with the the first the first chunk of money that was that was issued to her nonprofit global link international she did give herself a large salary and that's interesting because you know in the nonprofit world I guess the people who are running the nonprofits can really give themselves whatever kind of salary they want Right, and hers was $550,000 a year. And then, you know, it appears that she... submitted all kinds of expenses that, you know, that were kind of passed off as sort of office expenses, even though during most of the time that you were submitting these expenses, they didn't even really have a temporary office for this, for this organization. And, you know, we've all heard about the $4,500 coffee maker, but, you know, there was also all kinds of furniture, you know, there was things for, that appeared to be for her yard. There was a lease of property that, according to the Attorney General, it appears that it was actually in one of the properties her son was living for a time. So, you know, a lot of very, very dodgy looking expenses. There was, she submitted, she took it, you know, she's just doing a lot of travel to some of it off. first class travel after a trip to tunisia she submitted a like about a six thousand dollar receipt and it was in it was in french and if here's nobody at the mddc checked this receipt but it was actually for a couple of hand woven tunisian rugs which the a g found an email suggesting she then offered to give these rugs to her son so you know again it um She's obviously innocent and lessen until proven guilty, but a lot of these documents and expenditures look fairly incriminating. Well, how is the oversight supposed to work? Who's supposed to be keeping an eye to make sure this kind of thing isn't happening? Yeah. So it was a legislative grant, Kevin. It was awarded by the legislature, part of the budget process. You know, one of these things that they, you know, they kind of write in such a way that it doesn't name Fabie Dune or her nonprofit, but it's kind of like it's worded in such a way that she's the only one who, who fits the criteria to get this grant. But it was to be administered by the MEDC. They are the ones who, you know, should have been checking these receipts when she sent them in, presumably, and asking her for periodic reporting. You know, it was a $20 million grant. She got the first $10 million, started spending that.

This kind of huge controversy arose before they issued the $10 million. And the PAG's office, once their investigation got going, they actually ended up freezing over $6 million that had not been spent from the initial $10 million. Is anyone at the Michigan Economic Development Corporation likely to be held accountable? Well, Dana Nessel said yesterday, and this was kind of interesting because it had come out back in September that Quentin Messer, the CEO of the MEDC, a Gretchen Whitmer appointee, was a quote, potential target in the investigation. He has not been charged, but Dana Nessel made a point of saying yesterday that he remains a potential target. And, you know, I tried to press her on that because... You know, there's been a lot of names thrown around in terms of this investigation. Nobody else has been identified as a potential target or singled out. And, you know, I pressed her on why, you know, why have they identified Quentin Messer as potentially facing charges and nobody else? And she basically just said that the investigation continues. Right. I can't tell you anymore. Paul Egan, Lansing Bureau Chief of the Detroit Free Press. We appreciate your reporting. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Okay. That's going to do for all talk. Paul W. Smith is on the Pure Michigan tour, so he has an extra an hour today. Stay put. Focus is next.