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Are they just gearing up being like, oh, man, this is Ross, put this at the top of the list? Oh, geez, no. I mean, maybe Denver's all about the surveillance with the flock cameras and all that. Anyway, okay, we've got a lot to do on today's show. And some of it's, you know, going to be pretty light with Halloween coming up and switching to standard time and all that. We also have some, you know, some serious topics to do. But I wanted to just start the show with Gina. And Gina and I are going to have a lot more. more time to interact on our new show, which will be starting a week from Monday, November 10th, if you haven't heard the news. My show is moving from now, 9 to noon, to 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. And this show is Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek. And Gina's going to be a big part of the show. And we're going to chat about all kinds of things. And I think... Yeah, we have no idea what it'll be. We're going to figure out as we go along. Pretty much. It's going to be a lot of fun. And anyway, so. I was like bantering with Gina about any random stuff. And so I kind of thought of you with this one. I mean, I know you're not single, but the headline is nearly. What, Jan are you? Millennial. Are you like the young end of millennials or something? Yes. Okay. Nearly, I actually don't know how old you are, but you don't need to tell us on the air. Nearly one third of Gen Z singles are going on dates just for free food. A girl's got to eat. Oh, boy. And you're, I mean, I don't know how long you've been dating your husband, who I won't name, but you are married to him now. We have the same anniversary. Yeah. But I'm kind of, I got a few questions for you. Did you ever go out on a date just to get a free meal? And if you were single, would you go out on a date to get a free meal? No and no. So, in fact, our very first date with my now husband. Yeah. I paid for my meal. And he thought the date was going poorly. Because of that? Because of that. But we were both in college. I knew him well. We both had very, you know, not good paying jobs. We were going to college, student loans, yada, yada. And then so I said, don't worry. I got my meal. And he's like, no, no, no, no. And I was like, no, it's, we're both really not able to be. doing this right now, so I'll pay for it. I don't mind doing that. But I felt bad because looking about it now, he thought of it as like, I didn't, I didn't impress her. Yeah. This didn't go well. Oh, that's funny. But this article is pretty fascinating because I actually think it brings a bigger concern when it comes to like today's dating culture. Yeah. Is the overuse of the dating apps. where I think you think of people more in a transactional, swiping idea. Yeah. So you don't think twice about it if you're like, I don't like this guy that much, but I'm going to get a free mail out of it. Sure. I'm going to go. So I almost feel like people don't have that one-on-one interaction. I met my husband in college. We got to know each other. I knew what he did for a living. I knew what I did for a living. We both go to the same school. We know what our student loans are. I'll pay for my meal. But I think other people nowadays are just like,

I'll go on a date. I'll entertain it for a second. And then I'm going to get a free meal out of this and I'll ghost this guy and never talk to him again. Okay. That's a really interesting one. And my gut reaction is slight disagreement in the sense that... I think this kind of transactional nature, I'm going to get a free meal out of it, has been around for much, much longer than you think. Right? So like when I was, you know, in my 20s and dating, every once in a while at the end of an evening, I could tell, all right, I knew what that, I know what that was now. Right. So. So I almost want to argue that I see it more with being at a bar and getting a free drink than being on a full date. Because I hope that with a full date, if you're spending the entire evening, you think a little bit more piling of this person and you say, all right, I'll entertain it a little bit more. But yes, when I was in college and there was a guy talking to me at the bar, he gives me a drink. I'm not going to think twice. And I'll say, all right, thanks for the drink. And I'd go off with my friends. Yeah, no, for sure. And I used to own a bar, as you know, our nightclub. And I think that's very, like, as a guy, if. And I realized people don't meet at bars as much as they used to. It used to be a very, very common thing. Now, like you say, a lot more apps. But back in the day, if you were a guy wanting to meet a girl at a bar, you absolutely had to be prepared to buy drinks all night for other people. And with, you know, whatever chance of success is like you're going fishing. And sometimes you go fishing and you don't catch, you don't even get a nibble. Right? But you still bought all the bait. You still bought all the bait, right? And so, you know, to me, the bar, I don't know what the bar thing is like now as far as dating, because I've been married for so long. But I bet it's still kind of like that. And I bet girls go to a bar expecting to have their drink bought more often than they might expect that going out to dinner. Because I do think a lot of, you know, modern, like women right now. We'll pay for their own meals. Yeah. I had a friend in college, little off topic, but she used to always go out with her 21 and 21, 21, 21, 21st birthday sash on every weekend. That's how she got her free drinks. Uh-huh. It's my 21st birthday. Give me a drink every, every single weekend. I was surprised that people didn't catch on to that. Like she was 47. Yeah, exactly. I guess at some point you had to be like, all right. But I thought it was interesting that this New York Post article says that the first date budget is between 50 and 100 bucks nowadays. That's a lot. So like our first date maybe was 30, 40 bucks at a little dive bar, college dive bar. So I could see people being like, all right, well, if I'm getting a $50 meal. Yeah. I don't know. Well, and you know, burgers, 18 bucks these days. Right. And you're not going to take her to McDonald's, but even at McDonald's your meal would be 13 bucks. And they're rounding it up because of the penny shortage.

Did you hear that story? No. Well, is that a new? Is there another version of the penny shortage story? Is that still going? Well, McDonald's is starting to round up or round down their prices if you're paying in cash due to the penny shortage. So then you've got to order exactly so that it comes out to like 16 or 17 in the sense and then you make a penny or two every time. Strategery. Thanks for sticking around, Gina. Happy to. Oh, gosh, that was fun. We're going to do a lot more of that when we start our new show at its new time starting a week from Monday. Gosh, I'm excited for that. All right. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back on K-O-A. I want to just throw this out at you right now, and I'll read some of your answers over the course of the show. I'm probably going to ask a lot of questions today. What's your favorite horror movie? What's your favorite horror movie of all time? Just text me at 56690 and let me know. I am not a horror movie connoisseur. So probably many or most of the movies that you text in as your favorite horror movie, probably I won't even have seen them. So I won't have too much to say, but I would love to know what's your favorite horror movie. And then maybe if there's one or two that really are showing up far more than others in the list here, then maybe I will go. I will go watch them. I will go watch one of those or something. I won't say The Exorcist is the last horror movie that I saw. I've seen a few. And I've seen a few recently because my younger kid loves horror movies and I take him to the movies. So there you go. One of my kids just texted me to say that his math teacher is... the character Heisenberg from Breaking Bad for Halloween and is wearing a costume looking like the dude from Breaking Bad in class today. So that's pretty cool. All right, a lot of stuff I want to do. Let's see. Where are so many things? Let me start. Let me just do a quick political thing. I think President Trump has a very bad idea here when he calls on Republicans to eliminate the filibuster. Now, there have been some Democrats who have been calling on Republicans to eliminate the filibuster, and there should be a message to you there. And of course, whenever there is a small Senate minority, I'm sorry, small Senate majority that is being thwarted by the minority's use of the filibuster, a lot of times they will get frustrated and they will think, you know, we should get rid of the filibuster and then we can pass what we want with 51 votes. The problem is that if you do that, the other guys are going to do it. Now, the Democrats almost did it last time around, and they were only stopped by a couple of Democrats that said. said they wouldn't go along, including Joe Manchin, who's not even there anymore. Oh, and Kirsten Cinema, who's not there anymore. Remember, these people, all they care about is power, all right? Oh, I shouldn't say all. But the thing they care about most is exercising power. And they get very, very frustrated when they can't, especially if they're in the majority. And I understand that a little bit. But...

President Trump has said that, and I'm quoting, it's now time for Republicans to play their Trump card, get it, and go for what is called the nuclear option, get rid of the filibuster, and get rid of it now. I think this is a terrible idea. Can you imagine what the Democrats will do if they come into power with a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House, all of which is... Possible for the next presidential election. Very possible. Can you imagine what they will do without the filibuster? One example actually that Trump raised, and Trump says the Democrats will get rid of the filibuster if they can. So his argument, and let me just say, Trump's argument on this point is not insane. Trump's argument is, As soon as the Democrats are in charge, they're going to eliminate the filibuster, no matter what we do now, so we should just do it first and get our stuff done, because they're going to do it and do things like make Puerto Rico a state and make Washington, D.C. a state in order to create two or four more democratic seats in the Senate. And he's not necessarily wrong about that, but this is a very, very dangerous move. Here's the other reason, and this thing is that this is a little more subtle, but as to why I don't like Trump saying this now, if, I think that by putting something out there that makes it sound like, oh, here's a way Republicans could open the government. Then Democrats, and some have done this already, like Ro Khanna of California and a couple of senators also, the Democrats will say, look, if Republicans really wanted the government open, they could just get rid of the filibuster and open the government. And therefore, they must not want the government open. It's really the Republicans. It's really the Republicans who are keeping government closed. They could do it. They could open it if they wanted to. And by Trump kind of going along with that mindset, he's giving more ammunition to Democrats who are claiming that it's the Republicans that are keeping government closed. Obviously, it takes two to tango. And you could argue, well, Republicans could open government if they caved into democratic demands. But I think the better side of the argument is on the side that government is closed because of Democrats. Because Republicans already passed an absolutely... clean continuing resolution that continues spending at Biden levels. It doesn't even cut spending and Democrats won't sign it because they're trying to hold the country and Republicans hostage for some other goals. So I think. Even though polling doesn't show it right now, I think Republicans are on the better side of this. And I think Trump's argument gives some aid and comfort to Democrats. And I think he shouldn't. We'll be right back on K-O-A. A ton of stuff to do on today's show. I'm Ross, by the way. Thanks for spending some time with me. I am asking you, I've got a lot of things to ask you today. But the thing I'm asking you right now is what's your favorite horror movie? Text me at 56690 and share with me your favorite horror movie. Before I share with you some of the answers.

I would just like to respond to a listener text question that I've gotten a whole bunch of times since we announced the new show lineup here in mornings on K-O-A. And the question that I keep getting, oh, and for those who somehow missed it, my show is moving from 9 to noon. to 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. And it's going to be called Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek. And so we're going to have a lot of fun. Colorado's morning news, as you know it now, will be from 5 a.m. to 6 a.m. My show will be 6 to 9. And then this time slot that I'm in now will be taken over by Michael Brown, who is coming over from KHOW. Anyway, the question that I've gotten lots of times by text now is, And I'm going to paraphrase because I've gotten lots of versions of this. Ross, you do semi-professional radio, but Gina does professional radio. So how is that going to work out? Is Gina going to become semi-professional? And I think the answer to that is no. I don't think Gina will ever become semi-professional. The question is whether I can drag her a little bit. toward being less professional or whether she will drag me a little bit toward being more professional and I hope not because that's not my strong suit but we will just see we will just see how it goes and maybe we'll have moments you know maybe there will be a moment where where I I can somehow you know, shock Gina into behaving in a semi-professional way, or she can shock me into behaving in a professional way. I'm not sure which one of those is more unlikely, but we're going to have a lot of fun trying to find out. Okay, back to the question I'm asking you. What's your favorite horror movie? I want to share with you a few answers, and then we actually have a kind of a serious health care economics topic coming up in just a few minutes. Like I said, today we're doing a lot of alternating back and forth between light stuff and serious stuff. So a few listener answers here. on favorite horror movies. The Thing by John Carpenter, I did see that movie and I really like it. The Blob, famous movie, but I don't know if I've seen it. The Omen, which I have something to say about later on. Do you know the history around the making of the movie, The Omen? Oh my gosh. So, yep, that's a famous one. Nightmare on Elm Street, part four, this person says. I don't know if I saw part one. This may be the funniest answer. Daddy Daycare. Horror movie. That may be the funniest answer. Two more people say the thing. What else? Not really sure if it's a horror movie, but a clockwork orange. That is probably my favorite movie of all time. I'm not sure if it's a horror movie either, but it's definitely something. Psycho, the original exorcist, Carrie with Sissy SpaceX. Oh, what else? American werewolf in London. Two different people said that. So you married an axe murderer. All right, you get the idea. So keep in coming, though. 56690. What's your favorite horror movie? Oh, the Shining. That's a great one. Ross, you're moving and Michael is moving. Who gets dragon? We both do.

At 2 a.m., you move your clocks back to 1 a.m. You gain an extra hour of sleep. And the one thing that I wonder about is this, before we get to my guest, here's my question. What happens if you make an appointment for 1.30 a.m. on Sunday. What happens? Think about that. Don't let your head explode while you're thinking about it. And we'll come back to it in a bit because right now I want to go to Nicholas Kleinworth. Nicholas is a policy analyst at the Paragon Health Institute, Paragon Institute.org. They do a lot of fantastic research on health care policy. And they got a couple of things out. And all this, by the way, is up on my blog so you can go read it yourself. But they've done some very, very interesting research just this month, published just at the beginning of this month about... ACA, also known as the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, about fraud within this program. And I will note just before we get to the fraud, fraud is just one of the reasons that the Affordable Care Act now turns out to be one of the worst named pieces of legislation ever. I mean, and this. Many of us knew this was going to happen. We called it at the time, the Unaffordable Care Act, but I think a lot of more people are figuring it out. Now, anyway, Nicholas, welcome to K-OA. It's good to have you here. Yes, Ross. Thank you for having me on. Unfortunately, it seems like we're just hitting your audience with back-to-back topics that will make their heads hurt. That's right. What happens if you have a 1.30 appointment on Sunday morning? Yeah, I don't know what happens. I don't know. All right. Let's talk about your piece for Paragon, ghost-busting ACA fraud. Millions who don't use their health insurance expose abuse in the program. So there's a lot to talk about here. What is this about people who don't use health insurance? Is that a common thing? Is it not a common thing? You know, you have health insurance, but you don't get sick, you don't use it. How do you get from there to saying at least some of that represents fraud? Well, you have to think about the fact that when you use your health insurance, you're not just using it for going to the doctor. You're not just using it for going and seeing your primary care physician. You're also using it to cover things like prescription drugs and other of those small things. It's actually kind of impressive that 12 million people who are enrolled in the Affordable Care Act plans aren't using their coverage at all. perspective on how big this is. This is about 26% of all Affordable Care Act enrollees. Wow. And I mean, it's a pretty substantial number. Nationally, in comparable plans, the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that about 15% is normal for people to not use their health insurance. And so what we're seeing, though, is that

The number of people who aren't using their coverage is going up substantially since the passage of the Biden COVID credits or those additional subsidies that create a lot of free plans for people on the program. So does that mean that a lot of people are getting the insurance because it's quote unquote free and they feel like they might as well? That's what that sounds like you were saying. But then there's this whole other thing. about, I mean, there's a reason you put the word ghost busting in the title of this article. So let's get to that as well. Yes, so keep in mind that phantom enrollees, we're referring to a very small, a smaller subset of these people who don't use their plans. These are people who aren't on the plans or aren't using their coverage, but it's usually because of fraud. They don't actually know that they even have coverage. So what we're seeing is these fraud rings. are getting enough information on people and enrolling them in Obamacare plans and then collecting commissions or collecting subsidies. And these people just get enrolled in health insurance. There's zero cost because they were enrolled in the zero cost plan through the Biden COVID credits. And so there's no pay for until you get the tax time and you find out that you have a penalty that you have to pay or you go and try to use your normal health insurance. You find out that your plan was canceled and you can't actually access the health benefits you want to have. Is that quantifiable yet? How many people in how many cases there are like this? Is it thousands? Is it millions? What is it? So the Paragon Health Institute released a report just this year. We estimated that 6.4 million people were improperly enrolled in the Affordable Care Act. Now, keep in mind that this is people who either deliberately misrepresented their income so that they can get a bigger subsidy, or these were people who were enrolled in these plans unknowingly. And this cost taxpayers about $27 billion. Okay, yeah. So that's where that's where I'm going next. Like how much is this actually costing? This, this.

figures into the overall concept that I started in my introduction of this segment that the Unaffordable Care Act is really a massive financial burden. And this is becoming a big part of the conversation in the government shutdown right now because there are these temporary, temporary governments designed by Democrats to be temporary government subsidies. for people earning over 400% of the federal poverty level, which by the way does not make you rich. The poverty level is very low. Four times the poverty level is probably not even middle class, but still, these people are getting temporary, very large subsidies. And now Democrats are wanting to keep the government shut until Republicans cave in and extend those subsidies at massive, massive cost. Do you want to say anything about that, even though it's a little bit off the topic of fraud? Well, I think that people need to keep in mind that the Democrats had the ability to do this a few years ago. They had control. They had the ability to pass it in perpetuity if they really wanted to. Not a single Republican voted at the time. to extend these subsidies to this point. And so I think that the fact that the Democrats didn't do it before, they saw that temporary COVID-era program should be restricted to the COVID era. And I would say that we're well past COVID. Right. And the other thing there is that the reason they didn't make them permanent is they couldn't get a favorable scoring on the bill if they did that because it would make the whole thing so expensive. Right. thing that the politicians do commonly. They put something in a bill that expires theoretically in the bill after a period of time, but their intention isn't actually to let it expire. So what is what is to be done about this Obamacare fraud? I would actually say it's one of the easier policy decisions to make. The solution here is to actually not pass any extensions to the Biden COVID credits. So the solution would be to do nothing on that particular policy. even if there has to be some degree of negotiation, the red line absolutely has to be no $0 plans in the Affordable Care Act. People should not be getting on the plans for free. And there has to be some sort of a cost to that. But it's also a revelation to just how low value these plans are. Studies have come out that shows people will still deliberately choose to not enroll in Affordable Care Act coverage, even if the premium was less than $10. And I'm sorry, but a lot of subscription services and other things cost a lot more than $10. And the fact that they value those things more than health insurance tells you just how important these programs are to that subset of people. Right. And also, I'm guessing that most of the population that would answer that way are probably in their 20s, right, who think they're invulnerable and they're probably right. Like most people in their 20s,

won't need health insurance or won't have health expenses that exceed what the insurance would cost them and they're better off doing cash pay. Not all of them. You know, you can get in an accident and you can get sick. But I mean, I remember when I was in my 20s and I thought health insurance is a waste of time. And I was probably right. You know, and especially with what it costs now, health insurance was cheap, Ben. It's expensive now. Well, it's expensive unless you can get the government to make other people pay for it. Well, and keep in mind, too, this is actually the leftist argument right now behind the phantom enrollees. So Paragon came out and we showed how many people were not using their coverage, and it really does show the degree of fraud in the program. Opposition arguments were that, well, this is because the subsidies were encouraging young, healthy people who don't use their coverage to enroll in these plans. But what we found out in our ghost busting piece was that the proportion of phantom enrollees far exceeded the proportion of young, healthy people that got onto the program after the passage of those subsidies. So that's not the reason. Right. And that does make sense in the sense that, as I was saying, if a young person feels invulnerable. You know, even if health insurance is close to zero cost, they're just not even going to spend their time signing up for it. It's just like, why bother, right? We're talking with Nicholas Kleinworth from the Paragon Health Institute, Paragon Institute.org. All right, as long as I've got a real health expert here, I want to ask you this other question. There's all this talk about this massive increase in health Obamacare insurance premiums for some people when these subsidies expire. And you see numbers out there, you know, premiums going from 10,000 to 20,000 or some crazy numbers like that. And my question for you, and this is probably something that would take hours to really do it justice or a whole book to do it justice. Why is health insurance so expensive? I don't really, you know, I'm tired of subsidizing people. I also think subsidizing people drives up the cost of health care. But why is health insurance so, so expensive? Last thing, and then I'll let you answer. I saw on a news report yesterday that the average health expenditure per American is something like $13,000 a year. How can the average cost of health insurance? exceed the average expenditure by such a large amount. You're asking all the right questions. Let me start by saying this. The reason why health insurance costs are going up this year is not because of the subsidies. Paragon just released a figure earlier this week or last week, and that showed that only 3.3% of the increase that we are seeing is actually attributed at all to the expiration of the Biden COVID credits. Wow.

But the Affordable Care Act itself, this is another figure that the Paragon Health Institute released it, went viral on X. It showed how before Obamacare health insurance was within... and within reach back in 2014. But a lot of the subsidization of the market, a lot of the additional regulations, coverage mandates and things like that are driving up the cost. As Democrats say, oh, well, we need to regulate insurance companies. They need to cover X, Y, and Z services. And you find that more and more people are buying plans that cover things that they'll never need. For example, why do I need maternal health care services on my particular health plan if I'm just an individual and I'm obviously not female? So those things just don't make sense. And it raises the cost for everybody across the board. We can go into other things too that drive the cost. It's all tied back to the Affordable Care Act. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you said that. It makes me feel a little bit smarter in the sense that a few days ago this came up on the show. And one of the things I was talking about was these mandates. And I said, how much do you think car insurance would cost if the government said that your auto insurance had to cover new tires, new windshield wipers, knew absolutely everything. Because then you know that not only will... claim, will there be claims for more things? But more people will get new tires and new windshield wipers and new everything sooner than they otherwise would. So actually the real results will end up being even worse than the results in the pro forma model that the people put together to design the plan. Looks like you want to say something. So I'll give you the last few seconds. So I just wanted to make sure to mention, though, the increase that we're seeing in the ACA coverage costs for the premiums is actually largely borne by the taxpayer. And this is very unfair to the people who have to pay for their health insurance out of their paycheck through their employer. And then they also have to pay for everyone else's health insurance through the additional taxes to subsidize this program. And so this needs to stop. Nicholas, can you email me the link for the report you mentioned that talks about what... percentage of the current increases from the expiration of the credits and what percentage from other stuff? Can you send me that? Gladly. Yeah, that would be great. All right. Nicholas Kleinworth is an analyst and writer over at Paragon Health Institute, some great, great reports that he's done. Check out Paragon Institute.org. All this stuff is up on my blog so you can check out Nicholas and his work as well. It's a great conversation. Thanks for your time. Thank you for having me. All right, glad to do it. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back on K-O-A to talk about why people are buying less chocolate for Halloween. Hi there, Dragon. Hi there. Dragon's got a Broncos hoodie on? Don't you dare think by you wearing your Broncos jacket and your Broncos hat today that you are getting out of not listening to the game. I've done enough. No, you have not. I've done enough. I've worn the swag. I've done enough. You are 6-0 when listening to Rick and Dave on K-OA.

6-0 you are perfect and when you haven't listened guess what oh and two come on i i don't like i don't like the pressure of this i don't like feeling like it's it's my responsibility for the broncos to win they're professionals they should be able to win without me no no i we know you and i have determined for years of working together that i am not a professional I'm not. I'm a semi-professional on my best day. And now you want me to be professional at this? Yes. When I can't even be professional at my day job? How many people are counting on you to listen to the game? It's too much pressure. Tough. Hey, folks, if you want to watch the Broncos Texans game with Ben Albright and Nick Ferguson, you can do that on Sunday from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Burnedown Denver off a Broadway. And when you're there, you can enter to win a Broncos Raiders Vegas trip. And this is all presented by Arta Tequila, the official tequila of the Denver Broncos. If you want to listen to the game, just go to the iHeart app and tune up K-O-A. Yeah. Which I might do. I might do. I might not do. I might be going to do. I might be a little bit busy. Dragon, I might be a little bit busy enough to tune up to the, get the eye heart open and listen to the game. I might be a little busy. You will listen to the game. See, this is the problem when the boss knows your habits and then it's like. It's a really, it's a significant career risk for me. So I've made time to watch the game. I've got three choices now. You're going to at least watch some point of the game. Yeah. So you might as well listen to it. So now I either have to listen to it. Have to. Or. Don't listen to it. And then the forks coming off the don't listen to it decision leads to two more decisions. One is tell Dragon the truth that I didn't listen to it or lie to dragon and tell him I did listen to it. That's probably the best play for me. Don't listen to it. And then if they lose, well, then I see, I don't know. Because I don't want to. You're not a good liar. I don't know. I'm not.

Did you know, Dragon, that last year, 52% of the total volume of Halloween candy sold in the United States with chocolate candies, and this year it's down to 44%. Oh, wow. You know why? Chocolate's expensive. That's exactly why. Yep. Chocolate's incredibly expensive. Actually, I'm going to talk about this from a market perspective for a second, but this is from the New York Post, and I dig it both as a Halloween story and as a business story. Shoppers are opting for sweet treats like gummies, freeze-dried candies, and other colorful candies. Dragon, have you seen this freeze-dried stuff? Is that those stuff that like skittles when they... Yeah, yeah. It explodes. Yeah. Yeah. I bought some. My younger kid used to really dig this stuff. Then I bought some for him recently and he said, oh, I'm over it. You can have it. But it's like, it's almost like a sweet chalk. Right. You put this thing here and it just sort of crushes down to powder in your mouth. And it's very expensive compared to regular Skittles. But it's kind of cool. So I bought him some. I mean, it was on sales. It was half price. That's why I bought it. Of course. I was going to pay full price for that. Don't think I didn't notice that you've skipped over the whole Broncos conversation. For eight weeks through mid-September, whatever this group is, found that sales of non-choccalculate Halloween candy outpaced chocolates as of the middle of September, non-chocolate seasonal sales were up 4.5%. Chocolate seasonal sales were down 13.7%. Now, between January of 2023 and January of 2025, global cocoa prices more than quadrupled due to poor cocoa harvests in West Africa where 70% of cocoa is produced. Halloween candy in the U.S. cost an average of $8 a pound in the 12 weeks ahead of October 5th when they were running this survey. Non-chocolate candy was $5.77 a pound, so a lot of people are buying the cheaper stuff. Now, the other thing that I wanted to mention to you, because I'm a finance nerd. So I was actually looking at some cocoa price charts. You can look at the spot market. So what is the spot market? The spot market is I want to buy cocoa today and I want to have it delivered tomorrow. That's the spot market. It's a transaction you make today for delivery very, very soon. Then you have the futures market. And the futures market allows you to lock in a price for future delivery of the commodity. By the way, if you buy a future to lock in a future price, let's say you make chocolate and you want to lock in that price now because, yes, it might go down, but you don't want to take the risk of it going up.

So you buy it, you can take delivery at whatever point. Like, for example, there's futures. In Coco futures, there's futures for this December. Then there's March of next year, May, July, September, December, and then they repeat that cycle the following year. So the futures are not every month. It depends on the commodity. But futures are not every month. You can take delivery. Or if the... price of the commodity goes up and you don't want to take delivery. You can just sell that future out and take a profit. And the other side of this, which is why futures markets are so valuable, is what if you produce cocoa, right? What if you produce cocoa? And yes, it's possible that cocoa prices could go up, but you don't want to take the risk of them going down. So you sell a future and then when it comes to the delivery period, you deliver the cocoa to the clearinghouse and you deliver it against someone who owns the future and wants delivery. Anyway, I think that's all pretty fascinating. And what I wanted to mention to you is at the peak in January of this year, Coco was almost $12,000 a ton, all right? $12,000 a ton. If you go back to the end of 2022, It was, are you ready for this? $2,300 a ton. It went from $2,300. It peaked at $12,000. And even after it sold off, it didn't get much below $8,000. And it spent most of the last year between $8,000 and $10,000. What's interesting, and I just want to note as a, you know, a perspective of a trader. Coco prices have plummeted in the last two months down to about 6,000. Now, yes, that's much higher than two years ago, but half the price of the peak. And here's my prediction for you. Chocolate prices will come down, but not as much as they should because... buyers of chocolate are used to more expensive chocolate. And they are buying less. They are buying less. But as the prices come down, maybe there's a kind of chocolate that costs you $4 right now that should be $3 with cocoa at this price. What I think is going to happen is the price of that chocolate bar is going to come down. to 350. And the chocolate company is going to have much bigger margins because in the minds of consumers, they now have this frame. Oh, that chocolate bar was $4. They've kind of forgotten that it was $3. That chocolate bar is $4. Now it's $350. That's a bargain. I'm going to buy it. We'll see how it all plays out. But I do think that next year, we will probably see Halloween chocolate candy a lot cheaper than it is this year. I mean, it's funny and it's light and it's not scary, right? It's not as scary. It's scary. I was asking listeners earlier, Dragon, what's your favorite horror movie? And I'll ask that again for folks who just joined recently. Text us at 56690 and tell us what's your favorite horror movie. Dragon, my favorite answer so far is Daddy Daycare.

True. Oh, God, yes. I think that's, I think that's a fat. Is there one that just jumps out in your mind is your favorite horror movie? I'm partial to the Saw franchise and maybe the Scream franchise. Uh-huh. I've never seen any of the Scream movies. I've seen one or two of the Saw movies, and I did like them. I have a bad memory, as you know. So, but I'll tell you one that I liked recently. I don't know if it was the most scary thing, but I kind of like that movie smile. You see that one? Oh, yeah. Do you see the second one? I saw them both. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, I saw them both. I'm not really a horror movie guy, but my younger kid loves him, so I tend to take him to the movies and we'll see whatever. We just saw Black Phone 2. Ooh, any good? It's all right. I missed Black Phone 1, and my kid says Black Phone 1 was much better. Wait, you would not see in the first one. I know. And you're going into the theater to see the second. I know. I know. It's on demand somewhere. I know. I need to probably watch the first one because my kid said the first one was much, much, much better. It feels like the second one wouldn't make it. I haven't seen the second one, but it feels like the second one wouldn't make any sense. Can you put my audio up, please? No. A bunch of people texted in on this thing about you saying I need to listen to the Broncos game. Right. And you've got the memory of a goldfish, so I will text you a few minutes prior to the game. Okay. To do what? So you have no excuse. Wait, what am I doing? Listen to the game because you are 6 and O as listening to Rick and Dave. What are listeners saying about it? They are 100% behind me. Not a single person that says skip it. And I'm looking now at the text line. Come on, Ross, do it for us for your dedicated listeners. See. Ross, watch the game on mute and listen to Dave on the radio. Mm-hmm. Ross, today is National Breadstick Day. At our house, we're going to be giving away all the full-sized breadsticks. Ooh, need your address. Mm-hmm. Ross, have the game on K-Away in the background as you perform other tasks. See? Because your wife will force you to do some yard work, so just have it in your pocket, put it in your butt in and go for it. Ross, with great power comes great responsibility. You have the power to control Broncos' outcomes. See? Now, people listening on the podcast will have no idea what that little moment of silence was that I'm putting drag into extra work, having to cut copyrighted music out of the podcast. But you are welcome to go onto YouTube and type in... pressure by the kinks and have a listen to that excellent probably late 70s under pressure by queen kind of a punkish song not under pressure by queen not this other pressure song that a listener texted in about that i don't know called too much pressure by the selectors and i'll have to go check i'll have to go check that out ross the best horror movie uh toss up between it's alive or christine remind me about christine the haunted car okay that's what i thought yeah and You know what? So I asked this question earlier in the show about favorite horror movie, and nobody said Christine. And now I've got multiple people saying Christine right now. Hmm. Poultergeist. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Ross, 100%. Listen to K-O-A. Please. Ross, if you're going to skip a game, do it now instead of later in the season. Just don't skip a game. It's that easy. You're going to watch the game. So you might as well just.

Tune that out. There is actually a tricky thing going on here. Game time on Sunday, I might be in the car. Easy. Because Kristen and I are taking a short road trip, you know, an hour, hour and a half road trip. 8.50 a.m. 94.m. 94.m. Easy. Can you remind me of those frequencies again? 8.50 a.m. and 94.m. And what am I supposed to do? Listen to the Broncos on K-O.A. When? Saturday? Sunday? Two, five? No, it's an early game. It's an early game? Yeah, because it's an away game. It's in Texas. You sure. So 11 o'clock. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Are you going to look it up? You go look it up. Dragon's going to do some homework. It'll give us the answer when we get back. I might listen to the game. You have to. We have a lot of stuff still to do on today's show that I want to just share with a few things. Yes, it is an early game. It is an early clock game. So I was incorrect, trying to text you at 205 saying, hey, listen to the game. Because that won't work. I shouldn't have corrected you. You shouldn't have. The only reason I corrected you is I didn't want our listeners to miss it. We are going to listen to the game. on 8.50 a.m. or 94-1 FM or on the IHeart app and you're just going to say, hey, Siri, play K-O-A on I-Hart Radio. Maybe it's not me. Maybe there's somebody else who has the same listening pattern I do who's the one actually causing the wins and losses. And I just, it appears to be me, but it's purely coincidence. See, I think we should test this. I think I should not listen. See, I think I should not listen. No. And then see, the Broncos win. And then everybody wins and I'm off the hook. No, you're not off the hook. You're 6-0. You are 6-0. What more proof do you need? The two losses that the Broncos have this season, Ross Kaminsky, did not listen to the game. If you were to flip a, okay, here's a question for you. If you were to flip a coin repeatedly, well, if you were to flip a coin six times, what are the odds that it will come up heads all six times? Well, it's 50-50 each time. Yes, it's 50-50 each time. What are the odds that it comes up, heads six times in a row? I don't know the math on that one. It's one out of 64. Okay. So it's not impossible. That's like a percent and a half or something. So even at my being 6-0, and this would assume that the Broncos are 50-50 in every game. But even to win the game, but even at 6-0, There's still a non-zero chance that it's not me that's causing them to win. It's still at least one and a half percent that they could win without my listening. No, there's a great chance that they will win with you listening. It's perfect. It's perfect. Headline from denverite.com from a couple of days ago, and we didn't get to this, even though it's probably the single most important story. Labor strike at Casa Benita includes 57 divers, guerrilla performers, and more. Now, we did tell you on the show that this...

may be coming. And in fact, I think I shared with you a statement from Brooke Shields. Do you recall that? And I, at first, when I saw Brooke Shields makes a comment about whatever, I didn't understand why, but it turns out that she's the head of that particular union because these Casa Bonita workers have unionized. A guy named David Levy, a spokesperson for that union, which is called Actors Equity Association, said the entire unit is striking, which is 57 workers. striking from a couple of, from yesterday, from yesterday up through a couple of days from now. It's a three or four day strike, I think. And so we'll. We'll see how it plays out. One of the negotiators for the union said, we know they can pay the wages we're asking for because they already pay basically the same wages to the servers and bartenders. Their insistence on paying dollars an hour less to the performers reflects a choice and a philosophy to devalue performers. Now, I actually want to just respond to that. I'm not taking a side in this. I really don't care who wins. I really don't. I really don't. I don't need to elaborate on that. I don't care. But I do want to just take on that comment, that person's comment as a matter of logic. I'm going to take on the second sentence first because it's easy enough and it's basically correct. Their insistence, meaning the owners of Casa Benito, which means the South Park guys, their insistence on paying dollars an hour less to performers reflects a choice. Indeed, it does. Does it reflect a philosophy to devalue performers? Actually, that part is probably not right. After all, at least until now, the performers have been willing to work for that price. And it's not the job of a business owner to pay workers more than you need to pay them to work. Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just saying you don't have to. You might want to, for some other reason, to generate more loyalty, to keep them from accepting job offers elsewhere. So I'm not saying it's incumbent on a business to pay the very minimum required to keep a worker working, but I am also saying it's not incumbent upon a business to pay more than that. It's potentially a complicated, a complex choice. Now, the first sentence is what I disagree with. And I just want to take this on for a moment. Just as a matter of basic economics and logic. And I'm going to ask you to think about it yourself before I tell you what I think. But what do you think the problem might be in this sentence? We know they can pay the wages we're asking for because they already pay basically the same wages to the servers and bartenders. What do you think could be wrong with that sentence as a matter of economics and as a matter of logical? Say it again. We know they can pay the wages we're asking for because they already pay the same wages to the servers and bartenders. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that? I'll come back to it in a second and let you ponder it for a second. Casa Benita.

responded at Casa Benita, we value all of our team members and their well-being. As a policy, we don't comment on ongoing labor negotiations. I do wonder, I don't know the answer here, but about how operations at the restaurant are going to change, because a lot of people go to the restaurant to see the performers, the divers, the guerrilla, all this stuff. The Denver Post reported that people with reservations at Casa Benita. got emails saying that their reservations were still valid. I do wonder, you know, what happens if someone goes, they've got a reservation, they go, they get there and... these entertainers aren't there and they're disappointed because that was half the reason or a quarter of the reason or 73% of the reason that they went. So I don't know how that'll all play out. I don't know whether Casa Benita will have to do something special for the people who go. If the restaurant is still open when the entertainers aren't there, we will have to see. If I were the restaurant, if I were the restaurant, I would not close. I would, because I would not want to give the entertainers that leverage in this negotiation. So I would stay open and then I would do something like, hey, we're really sorry that the entertainers aren't here will give you free dessert. Or we will give you priority for another reservation whenever you want one and will give you free dessert both times or something like that. That's what I, that's what I would do. Now, coming back to my question about logic and economics. It's not correct to say that it must be true that Casa Benita can afford to pay these workers more because they're paying other workers more, right? They have a budget. Whatever their budget is, whatever their expenses are, that's what they're spending. And if their budget is based on being able to pay one group of workers. some amount and another group of workers a different amount. And that comes together to be the budget that allows them to operate the restaurant at a sufficient profit margin for their own tastes or just to keep the place open. It does not logically follow that you can pay everybody as much as you're paying, you know, some other group. And I'll give you an extreme example. I'll give you an extreme example of this, okay? When I get the distinct joy and privilege of being able to man the parabolic microphones on the sideline of the Broncos game. So I did that last game. Dragon, did I do that for the last game? Correct, yes. Okay. And the Broncos won because you were listening. Yeah. By the way, I just, oh, here's a cool thing. Can I tell you this thing, Dragon? Of course. So. I don't have to tell you who Nick Ferguson is. So Nick is on our air all the time. And Nick is a former Bronco. But Nick has never done the sideline microphone. So I saw him at the last game. And Arod and I were both telling Nick how great it is to do the sideline microphone. And I knew that there was a game that had an opening left. The Jacksonville Jaguars game in December had an opening. And so I got in touch with the person who's in charge of assigning.

the parabolic microphone operation. And I said, Nick really wants to do one. Ooh. Here's where the story gets good. It turns out that actually both spots were open, not just one spot. So Nick and I are going to do that game. Beautiful. So, and I might do the game the week before. That's a win and that's a win. So anyway, Nick Ferguson and I will be on the sidelines. If all goes according to plan, he'll be on one side line, I'll be on the other sideline, then we switch at halftime for the Jacksonville game. And I'm going to have a chance to kind of coach Nick on how to do this because there's a lot to kind of doing it right. Is he going to be able to stay on the sidelines the whole time, you think? In what way? I mean, because he's Nick Ferguson. Yeah. He played. So he's used to, you know, addressing and going out there. Okay. Yes and no. In the past, the answer would have been yes. But lately, and especially after the attack on the building that had the NFL offices in New York City. All NFL teams have tightened up a lot on security, a lot. And this includes the Broncos, but I'm not picking on the Broncos. Right. Because this is just what's happened in the league. And so a lot of folks who used to be able to get sideline credentials like former players aren't getting them anymore. And so I think Nick is not getting on the sidelines as much as he used to. Gotcha. But even so, this is just so cool and I'm so excited to do it. And how about that? Like, I get to kind of be the guy to bring a former player. You get to coach him. I get to coach him. I get to coach Nick Ferguson. So that's a. Oh, you're listening to the game, so we'll win. That's a pretty fantastic thing. And so getting back. to this thing I was saying about how the Casa Benita workers' argument is illogical, saying they can pay us X because they're paying other people X. And this is kind of how I got onto that whole sideline tangent. But when I handled a microphone on the sideline, when I handled the microphone on the sideline of the last game, there were times during the game when I was standing near, it was the Cowboys game, I was standing near. On the Cowboys sideline, Dak Prescott. I don't know how many millions of dollars a year, Dak Prescott makes a lot. CD Lamb walked right by me, their star wide receiver. He makes a lot. When I was on the Broncos sideline, I was right, Quinn Miners is an enormous contract. Cortland Sutton, who just signed a, we did this, right? What was it? It was like, how many millions of dollars? at Cortland Sutton's new contract. Can you look that up for me, Dragon? How much is Cortland Sutton's new contract? Anyway, Bo Nix is standing there. You know, all these players standing right around me who make millions and millions and millions of dollars.

And I remember we talked about the courtland setting. $92 million contract extension. $92 million over four years. Right. That's right. Okay, I remember. It was $92 million over four years. And I said, I think I'm close to signing my own contract that's just like that, except it's $92,000 over four years instead of $92 million over four years, which is almost the same. Because the only difference between the numbers are zeros and zeros are just zero. So it's kind of like the same thing, right? So anyway, here's my point, my bad analogy point. And this is really kind of a serious point, even though I'm making an absurd version of it. As I'm standing there around these high dollar players and around the coach, who else is around me? Young players, new players. coaches, water boys and girls, right? The staff that takes care of if a player comes off the field injured, right? The medical staff and all these people who are all, and I'm not even talking about NFL employees, okay? And I'm not talking about the security guys. I'm talking about people who work for the Broncos. The argument from the Casa Benita people. Hey, you can pay the actors as much as you pay the waiters because you pay the waiters that amount would be like saying that the Broncos could afford to pay the rookie third string safety or the water boy or the offensive line coach. The same amount of money they pay Cortland Sutton because, well, if you're paying him that amount, you can pay us that amount. That's not how it works. Not to ruin your bad analogies, but a texter did come in and say something along lines of flight attendants using pilot salaries for negotiation. There you go. There you go. Now, I will say, obviously, the difference in the salary between the Casa Benita... entertainers and the waiters is much smaller than the difference between Cortland Sutton and some rookie or Cortland Sutton and the offensive line coach. But the concept is the same. Just because a company can and does pay somebody some amount doesn't mean they can afford to pay everybody that amount. So I just didn't like that as a matter of logic. Again, I still don't care who wins the argument. I still don't care who, you know, how the whole thing works out. I hope it works out so that everybody's a little bit unhappy because that's how you know you had a good negotiation, right? All right. We all care that Ross listens to the game. Saturday, Sunday morning. Ross, when you're doing the parabolic mic, do you have a headset on and can you hear specifically what your microphone is picking up? Yes, to all of that. It's not only that I can hear what my microphone is picking up, and I can adjust the volume of my microphone specifically to turn up or down how much I'm hearing my own microphone, but I also hear everything going on in the booth. So I hear...

Dave Logan and Rick Lewis talking to each other. I hear Susie Warden for just an example. Susie Ward. Susie will be standing on the sideline saying, I've got some news for you about Marvin Mim's just one in the blue tent. I've got an update on that. Do you want it? And then Alan Jackson, our esteemed executive producer, an all-around great guy, will say to Susie could be, yeah, hang on, we'll get to you in 30 seconds, or no, we don't have time right now, but we want to do that thing. So let's see if we get a break in the next few minutes or we're just not going to get to that. I get to hear all of that. It's very, very interesting. Right? Or like when we're coming back from an ad break or yeah, when we're coming back from maybe it's a two minute warning and there's a two and a half minute break in the game. So we're running some commercials. I hear AJ, Alan Jackson, ask, you know, Dave and Rick like a few seconds before they're supposed to go on. He says to them ready and then they say ready and then like. A second or so before they're supposed to start talking, he says, go. I believe that part is actually Grant. Grant that counts them down from the spot. Is it? Yes. Maybe. Are you sure? Yes, because I've done that role. Oh, okay. All right, their voices are kind of similar then. But the stuff with the Susie and all that, that's through AJ. Anyway, it's very fascinating to hear what's going on behind the scenes. So, and then when the game is on, I'm just hearing what they're saying over the air. I'm hearing it in my microphone. So I do hear all that. Dragon, why would Ross listen to the game if he's actually standing there? Because he has to. Because I have to. And I do, by the way. I really, really like listening to Rick and Dave. with the headphones on rather than just standing there and watch the game because they see a lot of stuff from overhead that I don't see. And also sometimes it's the other way, right? Sometimes, like, for example, a player will get hurt and they can't tell who it is and I can tell who it is. But I don't have any way to communicate with them fast enough. They have a spotter up there anyway. Just turn your parabolic mic around, whisper into it because it's a parabolic mic. You don't want to just normally talk. But Rick and Dave, I don't think are hearing that. Oh, yeah. Anyway. So there's that. Is Dragon not going with you next month when you switch time slots and shows? Dragon is going to produce all of my show and all of the Michael Brown show. Ross, can you point to the fans and eavesdrop? Yes. I can also point to players and coaches and eavesdrop. And I do. Last, last game, I heard some Cowboys players and I turned the mic toward them and kind of caught them, although a lot of, typically that's happening when the game isn't on. When the game is going, I'm pointing at the game and catching the sounds of the game, the official whistles and the crash of players, you know, crashing into each other. And so usually when I get to the time where I'm able to eaves drop, it is when.

The game audio is not going out over the air because it's, you know, a commercial or some other break. Eavesdropping on the opposite team is not cheating because our team can't hear our broadcast. Our team can't hear it. So it's not like, you know, Sean Payton sitting there listening to you point the parabolic mic at the opposite coach. You know what I do wonder about sometimes. And this happens a lot. Let's say during the game, there's a. A near interception. Should have been intercepted and the cornerback, it hits his hands, and it falls to the ground and it doesn't catch it. And I'm standing near a coach, doesn't have to be the head coach, any coach, or even a player, but this is more often with a coach. And they'll drop an F bomb or something else like that, right? And I catch it. Shoot. Yeah, yeah. I catch it. And I fiddle the D. I do think that goes out over the air as long as my thing is going out over the air at that moment. I don't. I don't know. Depends on the mix that our engine. I can't remember his name for the life of me right now. Jesse. Jesse, the engineer. Can he dump it? I don't even know that he's listening that closely because he's so busy making sure that everything's going the right way. On his mix, as well as if it's a home game versus away game, whether or not we are in delay. And if we are not in delay as the station, there's kind of that white. gray area saying it's a fleeting expletive. Yeah, yeah. Fleeting expletive. Right. And also I will say that more often than not, if you can hear that, it wouldn't be the primary thing you're hearing. It would be kind of in the background. You'd hear that as somebody kind of yelled that, but it would still be quite a bit quieter, much quieter than whatever Dave or Rick, for example, is saying at the time. Is the mic recording NFL property or K-O-A property? I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's... NFL? Of our audio? Yes, because we have to pay the Broncos that pays the NFL. So I believe that's NFL stuff, which is why you probably hear when you hear old Broncos Super Bowl victories. Yeah. You hear Dave Logan's call versus the actual NBC, CBS, from whoever actually did the broadcast. You hear Dave's calls. But wouldn't that argue it for being our property rather than the NFL's property? Because they like Dave more. That could be. But it is. It is NFL Broncos, then Kayway. Last thing real quick, and then we got a guest in the next segment. Do you get to talk to the cheerleaders? I could, but I feel like that would come across as a little bit creepy.

So I don't. Plus, they're they're working. They're working. They're really working. They're focused on their own thing. I used to know one of the gals who was a cheerleader who isn't anymore because she, Romy Bean, because she worked here for a while and now she's on TV. So there were one or two times when I, when I. Isn't she? What's that? At CBS? Yeah, local CBS sports. Yeah, awesome for her. So I would say hi to her once or twice when she was over there, but that's it. All right, we're going to take a quick break, got an interesting guest when we come back. A very quick thing before we get to my special guest. I want to spend a bit of time in the rest of the hour. After I talk with my guest doing Ask Me Anything, I haven't done that in a long time. And Dragon noted, you know, we got a lot of interesting questions already. So anything you want to ask me, about pretty much anything, I'll probably answer. Text me at 56690 and I'll answer your questions on the air over the rest of this hour. But after we talk with the Mayor of Littleton. Kyle Schlachter is the Mayor of Littleton. And when I was on vacation a couple weeks back, whenever that was, Jimmy Sangenberger was in for me, and Jimmy interviewed a dude whose name I don't remember, because I didn't listen, about... Ballot Measure 3A in Littleton, which I've talked about a bit on the show. And Kyle, Mayor of Littleton, emailed me to say he would appreciate the opportunity to be on the show because he thought that guest, who was in favor of the ballot measure, he thought that guest said some things that were incorrect about the ballot measure and also said some things that were incorrect or worse about Kyle himself. So, Kyle, welcome to K-O-A. It's good to have you. Good morning and happy Halloween. Yeah, same to you. Do you have kids, by the way? I do, I do. Halloween age kids? You got a 14-year-old or 9-year-old? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So are you going to go out with like a 13, what is it, 13-gallon trash bag with your kids and have them just fill up with absolutely as much as they can get this year? We'll just follow them around and see what they get. Yeah, they run off and all the parents kind of follow them in a pack. Mm-hmm. Okay, let's talk about The reason you wanted to be here today. And I want to separate into two things. And we got about five or six minutes. So you said that some things were said that were wrong about the ballot measure. And then you said some things were said that were wrong about you. Let's start with the ballot measure. And again, I did not hear that interview. But I know that the guest is in favor of the ballot measure. And in fact, give me 19 seconds, because I like prime numbers, on what the ballot measure would do if it passed. And then we'll talk about what you thought were the inaccuracies in that conversation.

Yeah, the ballot measure would basically freeze single-family land use here in Littleton. And I'd like to give a shout out to my friend and constituent, Krista Kafer, who actually wrote a lovely article about it to the Denver Post last week and explained why she voted no. And I want to quote her here when she said, this proposal would amend the city's charter to restrict land use, property rights, and changes to single-family homes and neighborhoods. The proposal would direct barriers to the building of affordable housing, such as duplex, condos, townhomes, and eduos, and make it more difficult for people to find affordable homes for purchase in Littleton or to alter their own property to meet their needs. Okay, got it. And Chris is a long-time friend of mine as well and actually fills in for me sometimes here on the show. So let me just take one moment here because I see both arguments. I fully understand Chris's argument and I'm guessing you're against the ballot measure as well for affordable housing reasons. And also there's something to be said about property rights here as well to be able to do kind of what you want to with your property. is I kind of get the argument from folks who say, we've lived in this neighborhood for 25 years, a single family only neighborhood, and we don't want it to change. So I kind of see both sides. Do you? Well, yeah, I do. I mean, I live in a single-family home. I love my neighborhood. And, you know, I also understand that my property rights and at my property, you know, I think some of the things that Mr. Harris kept saying that were wrong, he kept saying that these duplexes and townhomes were going to be imposed on residents. And that's simply not true. You know, our land use code allows for buildings that are up to 30 feet in height right now. And we do not have that many homes that are three stories tall. So just because something is allowed doesn't mean it will be built. And I think ADU is a great example of that because we heard the sky was falling when we first initially allowed them to be built in a small area of the city that had alleys. And only three were built over a five-year period. And so that wasn't the big dramatic change that the opponents claimed that what happened then. And the other thing that he said was... there was no implication for accessory dual units or ADUs in this charter amendment, and that is just simply not right because this charter amendment would take us back to January of 2025 when detached ADUs were only allowed in a very small portion of the city at the north end of the city on small lots that had alleys. Currently, you can build a detached ADU anywhere across the city. So if this... charter member were passed that would take away property rights to build an ADU for almost everyone in the city.

Okay, so Ed, do you think, was that the main thing that he said that you wanted to just correct on the air, the ADU? You know, I just want to make sure we get that done, and then we can talk about, you know, what he said about you that you thought was improper. And we got about two minutes here. Yeah, the idea that this charter amendment doesn't impact ADUs because they were allowed. ADUs were allowed in just a small portion of the city before. So this takes us back to a time period when they weren't allowed more widely. And then the fact that, you know, duplexes would be imposed on people. You know, the fact, you know, I don't see a whole lot. I'm sorry to interrupt you, just in the interest of time. The 30 foot height limit, will that stay in place? That's what the code was back in January. That's what the code has been for a long time. Right. But the idea that, yeah. Okay. Okay. So you're not looking to change that so that people can now build 50 foot tall, you know, six unit buildings or something like that. There was never any attempts to change the height of the height limit. Okay. Yeah, and I will note for listeners also, you know, when Kyle says this would take us back to such and such a time, a lot of people talk that way in other political issues in a figurative sort of sense. Oh, if this passes, it'll be like going back to the 1950s, right? This is actually, the text of the bill is literally says that we're going to freeze our. our zoning rules at such and such a date. So it's not a metaphor. It's a literal thing. Now, almost at a time here, Kyle, you said in the email to me that the guest said some things about you personally that you objected to and you wanted to have the chance to respond. Can you do that? Yeah, he personally attacked me and said that I was appointed by the governor to my day job at the College Department of Agriculture. I find it interesting because I've worked for the Colorado Wine Board since 2010 when Governor Jared Polis was in his first term in Congress and when Governor Ritter was office. So I don't see how... My job has anything to do with 3A, you know, if we're making employment part of this discourse, you know, then my opponent, who's actually a mortgage lender, would have a financial interest in driving up housing costs so he can make more money. I don't see how housing has any impact on the wine industry here in Colorado. I think what he was doing was implying that I'm afraid to stand up to the governor because I work for the state, and he's actually solely mistaken because I've testified multiple times against the housing legislation. that Governor Jared Polis pushed over the past few years. And, you know, I'm the vice chair of the Metro Mayor's Caucus, and I've been one of the leaders in the region to stand up for home rule authority. You know, I've introduced resolutions for the Lytton City Council to oppose those bills, and they were passed by counsel. And, you know, my opponent has never testified at the state Capitol, and he was basically MIA when it came to talking with our state representatives to push back against these state preemption. And that's I've been there pushing back against the same up for home rule. And so I took personal offense that he said, my day job has anything to do with this. Yeah, I'd be offended by that, too, if I were in your spot. So, yeah, folks, I mean, I didn't hear the original interview with whoever that guest was that Jimmy had on. That person is in favor of 3A. Kyle Schlector is the mayor of Littleton. He opposes 3A. I don't live in Littleton anymore, used to. So I'm not going to take a position on this bill. You can read what Chris Caper said, as Kyle just shared with us and make...

up your own mind if you live in Littleton. College Blacker, Mayor of Littleton, thanks for your time. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. We're going to take quick break. We'll be right back on K-O-A. Ask me anything and then take most of the next segment to do Ask Me Anything, meaning you can text in anything you want to ask me at 5669-0. Oh, me. I'll take participation in this too. And Dragon will filter through the questions that you send. Oh, yeah, and you can ask Dragon any question you want to ask him also, right? You can ask either one of us. And, but. Whether, actually that would be an interesting thing. I mean, it is the Ross Kaminsky show. No, but we know. There are other people that participate as well. It's not just participation. We know who's really in charge. So here's what we're going to do. You text in anything you want to ask me or Dragon at 56690. Dragon will choose among the questions for me. Give those to me. And I will choose among the questions for Dragon and give those to him. Who do you think is going to get more questions? And we, I think you will. And we will do this in, I mean, if you're, by the way, if you're smart, you want to ask Dragon the question, especially if he knows your name or phone number. Clearly, if you want to get through a lot of the questions, because if Ross is answering your question, it's going to take five minutes for one question. That's true. Got a show to Phil here. This is semi-professional radio. Okay. So texting at 56690 and we'll do that and then we'll do name that tune in the next segment of the show. But let me just do two or three minutes right here because a listener named Christy who emails me quite a bit and I enjoy her emails. Actually, one of the things I enjoy very much about Christy is her politics and mine are very, very different from each other. And so she sends me stuff from a, you know, center left to further left than that point of view and links and asks me this and that and the other thing. And it's fun. I like it. I love being in contact with people who don't agree with me, but are polite about it most of the time. So she said, hey, can we talk about horror movies today instead of the horrible condition of our country? So there's a little bit of her political viewpoint, but still. Let me just do a little bit on this. I've heard about this, but I haven't researched it very much. But the making of the movie, the omen, back in 1976. Apparently, or it was released in 76, but they started making it the previous year. Apparently, a lot of bad stuff happened in the making of this movie. Dragon, are you aware of this stuff? I've heard, it could just be like the fairy tales and the rumors and everything to try and build up the things. I think similar things about the movie Poltergeist, about the TV and the little girl and all that kind of weird stuff there. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't deny if it wasn't true or wouldn't. not believe it if it was. Yeah. So in September of 75, Gregory Peck, who was starring that movie, was on a plane flying to London, and lightning hit the plane. Now, that is not completely unheard of. It's unusual, but not completely unheard of. So lightning hit his plane. And then...

Soon after, the executive producer was on a plane going to L.A. His plane was also struck by lightning, so twice in just a few weeks. And then the writer, David Seltzer. His plane was struck by lightning. And then while filming in Rome, and this is not an airplane thing, but a lightning thing, lightning just missed the producer whose name is Harvey Bernard. So as they say in this article at collider.com, lightning may never strike twice, but four times into different people who's only six degrees of separation at the time was really zero degrees of separation because they're all working on the omen. That's eerie, but there's more. What else? the planned filming of an action scene for the Omen, which was delayed, it meant that Gregory Peck wasn't needed on the set, so a private jet that the crew was going to charter to bring him in wasn't necessary. The next day news arrived that the plane they had intended to book for him, hit a flock of birds, and crashed, killing everybody on board. While that was tragic enough, the plane, when it crashed, hit a car on the road killing everybody in the car. And who was in the car? The wife and two children of the pilot of the airplane that crashed on them. Are you kidding? At the time of filming, London was under a rash of explosions from the IRA. What was uncommon was two incidents that again struck people associated with the film. The producer, or the writer, probably already on edge after his plane was struck by lightning, was planning to eat at a restaurant near where they were filming, but no seats were available after a bomb gutted it. And then the day after filming the hotel that one of the directors had stayed at was also bombed. Are you kidding? Rottweilers that were used to portray the hellhounds would often turn and attack their trainers and seriously injured a stunt man. Crazy. The most tragic event tied to the curse, however, would befall Liz Moore, assistant to John Richardson, who was a special effects designer. They were driving through the Netherlands, and along the way, they were in a bad car accident. Richardson escaped with minor injuries, but Moore was decapitated by a tire that smashed through their car. The fact is sickening enough, but there's a ghastly parallel to the movie in one scene, a photographer who is helping the character Richard Thorne, that's Gregory Peck's character, Research Damien's R.

This photographer Keith Jennings is killed when he is decapitated by a sheet of glass that falls off a construction vehicle while driving. And if that wasn't creepy enough, the accident occurred on August 13th, Friday, August 13th. Oh, and it was right by a road sign that indicated it was 66.6 kilometers away from... another town. So there you go, the curse of the omen. Text in, you're Ask Me Anything Questions to me or Dragon at 56690. Doesn't mean I was fired, just so you know. I'm just, I've got to have a day off on Monday. Don't worry, there's still time. Let's do a little bit of Ask Me Anything, which is a segment we do from time to time, and we should probably do more often, but where you can ask me anything or you can ask Dragon anything, you can text those in at 56690, and I will choose the questions for Dragon to go to him, and he will choose the questions for me that go to me. And just one very quick thing, Dragon, before we start this, a listener asked earlier, and you and I were wondering aloud. Who owns the audio that I pick up from the parabolic microphone that goes to K-O-A and then goes out on the K-O-A broadcast? And Dave, our program director, said the NFL and the Broncos own that audio, which is what you thought. Just as I suspected. Just as you suspected. And we love doing these, ask us anything, things speak, not because we're lazy, but because it's nice to know what you guys are wondering around out there. And because we're lazy? Could it be both? Yeah, that could be. Could it be both? I'll start with one that's not exactly a question. Okay. I'll turn it into a question. Okay. This is what was texted in. PSA, remember if teenagers are trick-or-treating, they are choosing to do innocent things and not causing trouble. Give them candy. Thoughts? Thoughts. I was reading an article about this, actually, about how Halloween has evolved over the years. And I mean like over a hundred years into what it is now, which is one, all the candy. And also, how, did you check this out, Dragon? Almost half of Halloween. costume spending this year will be for adults. Oh, I believe it. And not for kids. And so it's becoming more and more and more of an adult thing. But to get to the listeners thing, back in the day, apparently... Halloween was more a night of going out to, like, do pranks and do tricks and stuff. Cause mischief. And cause mischief. And over time, the mischief started getting kind of aggressive and destructive and lots of vandalism and breaking things. And I don't know if this is urban legend or not, but the concept is, you know, give them candy and give them something to do that's not destroying things. And it's the phrase, trick.

Or treat. Right, right. So if you give me a penny, you're going to get a damn trick. But to get to what I think the listener is asking, you know, how would I feel if a 17-year-old showed up asking for candy? I'll give you my answer and then I want your answer. Okay. I am fully down with free candy and I don't care how old you are as long as you put in the work. Don't show up in your work clothes. Don't show up in your street clothes or your sweatsuit. Do a little work. Put on some makeup or a costume or something. Put in a little effort and then you will have earned the candy and I don't care how old you are. What about you, Dragon? Completely agree. Put forth some effort. Yeah. And you get candy. All right. Dragon, can you smell Ross's filthy legs when you're in the same room? Not often. Ross, does Ross know how much his property taxes will be in the new house since the rate hikes are the reason why he moved in the first place? So yes, in a sense I do because we just did, we just recently, as you are all aware, if you own a home, the reassessments for property values. And my house that I bought was a piece of junk. by far the cheapest house in a long time in that neighborhood. And believe it or not, my property tax assessment came in very close to what I paid for it. So for... Two years, I'm going to have these very, very low assessments, and I know what they are, and I know about how much the tax is going to be. And then when they reassess, based on the remodeling, I'm doing now, then it'll go up, and I don't know how much that will be. Real quick, follow up. Ross, are we going to be able to see before and after pictures? Yeah, probably. Yeah, I'll do that. Dragon, are you going to get, wait, where'd that go? Are you going to get stuck with Ross in his new time slot, and will the new intro song be Neil Young? Yes, and, oh, God, I hope yes. I actually know what the new intro song is because I chose it yesterday and not by myself. It was a collaboration, me and Dave and Gina, and we worked through some things. So I actually know what the song is and it's not Neil Young. It's a good song, though. It's especially a good song for a show that's pretty early in early in the morning. Let's see. What else? What else? Hold on. So many hair. Dragon, what do you do right now? What do you do before you get to Ross's show at 10 o'clock? I work with the curmudgeon Michael Brown. At what time do you get to work? I get here just before 5 a.m. The show goes from 6 to 10 over on 6.30, Kehow, which will be moving to 9 to noon here on K-OA. There you go. All right, your turn. Oh boy. How does the producer thing work as if you work for two different stations? Ross, what station do you work for?

I don't work for a station. I work for Dragon Redbeard and I do whatever he tells me to do. What station are you currently on? K-O-A. And the station I am currently on is K-O-A. Yes, but a few hours ago you were on a different station. So I'm not real sure how that question kind of works out. But yes, we both work under the eye heart bubble. Yes. So I'm sure if the Fox called up and said, hey, Ross, you want to fill in for a weekend shift? I'm sure Ross would be like, heck yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the I-Heart bubble. The bubble. Okay. Let's see. Gosh, there's so many interesting questions here. Bronco Parabolic Mike position, a paid position, or drafted COA employees or families. It is not paid, it is volunteer, and it is usually either K-O-A employees or K-O-A employees on one and their friends on another or even former K-OA employees like Beardo does it a lot. Beardot is a cool dude, Kyle. He hasn't been here in a while as an employee, but he still does it a fair bit. And it's the, it is the greatest perk of my job. I'm not kidding. I'm not going to, there is no better perk of this job than doing the sideline microphones. I absolutely freaking love it. What is the velocity of an unladen swallow? What do you mean, an African or European swallow? Let's see. I don't know. Hold on. The screen keeps refreshing on me. I put mine on pause. Celebrity crush. Dragon, what's your favorite flavor of Miller Moth? Oh, dear God. No. No, just, no. Celebrity crush. If you got to think about it, it's not a crush. Yeah. Or you have just too many. Yeah, or I have too many. I don't know. Mine's pretty simple and I get a lot of weird looks when I say it. Christina Ritchie. Just something about her. You know who I think is pretty hot, although she has odd taste in men, is Megan Fox. Yeah. I think she's very good looking. How do you think about the thumbs, though? I don't know. What's the thumb thing? Look it up right now. Megan Fox. Thumbs? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, everything else is great. I mean, if you're really going to be that nitpicky about her, then Megan Fox's thumbs are the result of a genetic condition called brachydactylie type D common referred to as clubbed thumbs or toe thumbs. The condition causes the last bone in her thumbs to be shorter than normal, resulting in a more stubby appearance with wider, shorter nails. It's an inherited trait with no serious health risks. Whoa. Who knew? Still hot. Oh, totally. Still hot. Totally. Yeah, okay, there's a picture. Yeah, her thumb's kind of, her thumb's a little short, although I might, I might not have, might not have noticed it if you hadn't said it to me. I mean, I never noticed it before, but then her thumbs are probably not the part of her I'm looking at. Probably not. Probably not. Right? I mean, Dragon, you didn't answer that question about your favorite flavor of Miller Moth.

Hmm. Dragon, when you went out for Halloween as a kid, did you have to tell a joke at any given house to get candy? We did for fun. When I went to the group of kids that we had, we did tell jokes for fun. It wasn't a requirement in the neighborhood, if that's what you're asking. Yeah, this listener says in Des Moines, we did that. And according to the Des Moines Register, it got started there. That's an interesting one. Let me just, I want to answer a listener question that a bunch of people have asked today and a bunch of people asked yesterday in the day before about the new show. I just want to just sort of be super clear about the new show thing for a second. And then we'll get back to more of these. And by the way, keep your questions coming at 56690. So again, if you hadn't heard already, my show is moving. It's 9 a.m. to noon. We're going to go to 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. And this current time slot will become Michael Brown, who's coming over from our sister station, KHOW, the exact same move I made. And then the rest of our lineup is essentially unchanged. Five to six. will be Colorado's morning news with Tina Kotek just as it is now. Six to nine will be Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek. So there's that. And then you got Brownie. And then you've got Mandy, who is mostly not impacted by this except for the very, very negative change for her that she won't get to chat with me every day, which I'm sure she feels terrible, terrible about. So she just scoffed at that. That was, I would, I would, I would call, I would call that a scoff. It sounded like a scoff. I could not figure out why the volume control for the headphones was not working when the headphones were not plugged in. Oh. So it wasn't, it wasn't a scoff. No, it was my own. I have a question for ask me anything. Wait, hold on. Let me just finish this one thing and then we'll do yours. I don't want to follow up on what Ross is talking here. So then we'll get to me. Okay. So a bunch of people are asking, what will the new show be like since it's moving into a time slot where there is for now and will for another week is, B Colorado's Morning News. It's obviously earlier. It will be earlier. Luckily I get up early already, so it won't be an impact for me there. The show is going to be very, very much like my current show. It is not going to be very much like. Colorado's morning news as it is now. It's going to be a lot more talk, a lot more reacting to what's going on in the news. There will be a good amount of participation from Gina, who I love bantering with. And so we'll have more of that than exists in my current show right now. But it's really going to be.

a talk show with a good dose of news and other things rather than the kind of news show that you have from, you know, five to nine or six to nine right now. And yes, I will still do interviews, authors, all that stuff that I do. I'm going to keep doing that tune. I actually told someone the other day yesterday, as a matter of fact, but just think about it like this. It'll be like Tina Kotek will be to Ross Kaminsky. like Robin Quivers is to Howard Stern. Indeed. Only there will be no, I'm just going to go ahead and say it. I don't think there's going to be any naked people on this show. So that's where it really veers away. Will you be throwing bologna at strippers' bucks? No, none of that will happen. If you're looking for something to sort of wrap your head around, I think that's a good analogy without the dirty parts and cruelty. of the Howard Stern. I agree. And actually, it's funny when Gina and I were talking about this when the concept first came up, and she was asking like, Ross, what do you picture my role being like? And I said, like Robin to Howard. Yep. So there you go. And I think I might have gotten that from our program director, Dave, who's a huge Howard Stern fan. I use that analogy with our program directors. He might have gotten it for me. I'm just saying. Okay. So, yeah, he might have. One other, just quick thing before we get to whatever Dragon is going to do. You apparently have come up with an acronym for my show. I have. Ross on the news. Yeah. Rotten. So it's rotten with Tina Kotek. I mean, think of the marketing. Think of the branding. Rotten. Rotten. I mean, you don't wash your legs, Ross. So already, I feel like, you know. Well, I wash them when they're dirty. They're just not dirty all the time. And then when I'm showering, the water is running down my legs. It's not like I'm blocking the water from running down my legs. You mean the dirty water from the rest of your body is running over your dirty legs? How dirty do you think I am? Is this like when you add or multiply two negatives, you get a positive kind of thing? Is that what you're thinking? Could be. Okay. Here's my question. How do people drink diet soda? I do. Oh. God. I'm used to it now. I'm not a soda guy to be doing. I'm not a soda person. I drink a lot of club soda, but I've got, I can't kick this man cold that I had last weekend. It was terrible. And I can't quite get rid of like the flemy congestion. And sometimes you just need a good hit of phosphoric acid, right? To kind of cut through that. And I try not to eat sugar, so I got a diet Coke. There's a reason people use Coke or Diet Coke to strip rust off of metal tools. That's why I was like, I just need a little hit of phosphoric acid to really kind of, you know, kind of get things. And it worked, but I got like halfway through. It was like, God, why do people drink this twice? I get your point about diet soda. And if you've only had soda with with. with good sugar like in Mexico or with corn syrup junk like we have here. And then you go to diet soda. It really does taste kind of different. But I've been drinking it so long that I'm used to it. Here's the thing. I'm sure you have. Have you looked at how many grams of sugar there are in a can of Mountain Mike DeWine, which I love? It's like an impossible amount. You can't imagine how they get whatever. But there's like 44 grams of sugar in 12 ounces. How do you even do that as a matter of chemistry and physics? That's why I drink fizzy water.

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