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Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. That man is a rising star. And a frightening force. What's a win for Shemil Musayev. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback jeans. Silverback Nation makes them noise. Versus Shemil Musayev. All it's over! for the PFL well-to-weight world title. Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Trade screen time for race time at Virginia International Raceway. August 21st through 23rd, IMSA's Michelin GT Challenge brings some of the coolest cars to VIR for an unforgettable family weekend. Explore, meet drivers, see race cars up close, and experience the thrill of racing from every corner of the track. It's more than a race. It's a memory waiting to be made. Kids 12 and under get in free. Get your tickets at VIRFam.com. That's VIRFAM.com. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our war fighters, delivers mission-ready intelligence, advances life-saving healthcare, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer, an in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. Good to be with you. You know, yesterday we started the program with the remarks of Hasan Piker, a far left commentator and Twitch streamer with millions of followers, predominantly younger followers, where he extended this rather asinine message. The fall of the USSR. was one of the greatest catastrophes of the 20th century. Just wait, listen, maybe you'll agree. Not only was there incalculable harm done to every single country under its banner. Child prostitution, skyrocketing suicide rates, life expectancy plummeting, but America was no longer contested around the globe. And it is precisely because of the end to that multipolarity that we saw accelerated neoliberalism that is devastating every Western nation right now. Unlimited and unchecked greed.

Far greater damage from the United States of America, unlimited, unchecked greed than the evil empire and those trapped behind the Iron Curtain. Just a quick note that the reason why so many Eastern European countries are deathly concerned about what's happened in Ukraine and Russia's advancement. is because they remember the iron curtain. They remember what life was like, and they know that Vladimir Putin wants to bring back the old Russian Empire. He fancies himself a 21st century, Peter the Great, and they don't want that. And the USSR is their biggest recognition of why. Hasan Piker. probably knows this, but has an intellectual worldview that is out of step with reality, or maybe he's just ignorant and perpetuating that ignorance. But the same week that he spoke, Justice Clarence Thomas of the U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday, I think the same day, spoke at the University of Texas, Austin. to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence in a really fantastic address that was about an hour long, a little less than an hour. Then he had a Q&A section. And part of what he discussed was the founding fathers, the framers basic understanding of natural rights, that we all have natural rights by virtue of being human beings. Our rights and our dignity are inherent. They do not come from others, and they do not come from the government. And our government derives its legitimacy and its authority from our consent. We do not derive our rights from our government. The primacy of our rights in relation to our government is crucial in reconciling the mortal words of the Declaration with our Constitution and our history. None of our rights come from the government. All of the government's authority comes from our consent. And the structure and limited role of government is to assure that it does not exceed the authority to which we have consented. or intrude on our natural rights. He's laying out something we rarely hear in America today, and that is the founding father's understanding of human rights being natural rights. And in particular, how I look at this is we as human beings are free to think because we can, like we do.

We aren't animals. We actually have that consciousness and that sentience and that capacity to reason. We can think and are free to think. Therefore, we are free to act. That is to say, we think we should do something. We can go ahead and take it upon ourselves to do that. Implied in being free to think and free to act means, though, that you are free to choose. That is to make decisions for yourself. And then when you have individuals within society all making decisions, well, then that extends to that society that individuals make up, which is why you have a democratic form of government. That is sort of how I look at this. And there's Clarence Thomas explaining natural rights as inalienable rights coming from God. And then he got to a point of introducing the U.S. Constitution. and the Declaration of Independence, and there are two different roles in the American Republic and the notion of protecting individual rights. The Constitution is the means of government. It is the declaration that announces the ends of government. The Constitution achieves this purpose by protecting our natural rights and our liberties from concentrated power and excessive democracy. Our Constitution creates a separation of powers and federalism, truly for the first time in modern history, to prevent the government from becoming so strong that it threatens our natural rights. Federalist number 10 proposed the idea that the great threat to our rights come from the majority faction. The Constitution is the means of government. It is the declaration that announces the ends of government. When I ran a nonprofit called Liberty Day Institute that helped educate fifth graders about the U.S. Constitution and American government, I did that for seven years. We had to fold during COVID. And we were in classrooms, distributed millions of Constitution books across the country and the history of the organization that was founded in 19... 96, not by me. I did not establish the organization at the age of six. But we said the declaration was the promise, the constitution was the fulfillment. Very sort of similar message from. Clarence Thomas there saying the Declaration of Independence 250 years ago said these are the objectives, the ends of government. This is the promise. Then the Constitution is the means of government, the fulfillment of those ends.

Absolutely fantastic. We'll dip in and out from some of the different parts of Clarence Thomas's speech throughout the show today. I thought it was fantastic. Some of it seems obvious. Others are in a critical, important reminder. And some things we just don't know or talk about. Wonderful to hear him speak of this in the 250th year. of our nation. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger, filling in for Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek, just getting started here on Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. Batman is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shemiyah Tassend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback gene. Silverback nation makes them noise. versus Shemil Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Trade screen time for race time at Virginia International Raceway. August 21st through 23rd, IMSA's Michelin GT Challenge brings some of the coolest cars to VIR for an unforgettable family weekend. Explore, meet drivers, see race cars up close, and experience the thrill of racing from every corner of the track. It's more than a race. It's a memory waiting to be made. Kids 12 and under get in free. Get your tickets at VIRFam.com. That's VIRFAM.com. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving health care, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. Hey away. Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminsky on the news with Gina Gondack. And look, obviously music is a massive passion of mine. That's why. I insist. I force Dragon. And I say, you're going to put in the best bumper music every time I'm here, Dragon. And he says, you got it. Yeah. It works perfectly. In fact, sometimes in the past, I have left bumpers blank and said, Dragon, you fill in the blanks here. Maybe next week we'll do that a few times. Sure. And he knows what to pick because he has a keen understanding of the best bumper music known to man, don't you? It's the blues, baby.

And classic rock and southern rock. That gets in the mix too. Thanks for being a part of the team here when I sit in. When it comes to music too, you also have this resurgence of how people are listening to music, such as vinyl, that record playing technology that is decades and decades old and in recent years has been making a comeback. Gina, at the end of your program in the first hour of the Colorado Morning News, you talked a little bit about vinyl and that resurgence that we're seeing. And what is today? Tomorrow is going to be record store day, which is a celebration that's been happening for decades. But it feels like, like you mentioned, the resurgence in younger people buying vinyl and actually listening to records has really reignited the excitement of a record store day and new releases of vinyl. Yeah, what do you think it is that has drawn? I mean, it's only going to come about in a resurgence for millennials in Gen Z to say, hey, I want this. In fact, my fiancé Victoria, her son is 12, will be 13 this summer, and he has a record player and has been collecting a number of albums, and he's got eclectic taste. So this is ranging from Frank Sinatra to Aerosmith and ACDC to Lincoln Park and all kinds of things in between. I don't know if he's got more than a dozen albums already, having just gotten the record player. A few months back. But he's adding up that collection. What do you think it is? That's the appeal. Well, everything old becomes new again. Yeah. People love vintage. People love the opportunity to listen to something that maybe their parents listen to or listen to something on something that their parents used to use. But... I'm still a little confused of why vinyl? Because why not CD? Or is CD still too current where we're not having CD times yet? Or... Maybe there's a cool factor to vinyl where you have to have this record player, you have to put down the needle. There's these things that... Whereas a CD player, you just plug it in and you're ready to... Right. So then why not cassette tapes? You know? Like, because I've actually seen some more artists bring out cassette tapes. Like I saw a Charlie X-E-X cassette tape. Chapel Rhone cassette tape. Some of these newer pop artists are even doing things like that. But I think you're right in the idea of just, um, They've created more and more record players that are fun, that are portable, that are colorful, that are almost an accent piece in a living room. And I think younger audiences are starting to get more fond of that being like, okay, I can listen to my millions of Taylor Swift albums and all the different covers that she makes for her album and have a fun little accent piece that is something that even my parents used to listen to. They maybe don't want cassettes yet too much because then they have to.

go buy a pencil. Yeah, exactly. What kid today uses a pencil when they're on their iPad and their laptop, you know, all the time, they're not going to have a pencil at the ready to go fix the tape when they got a problem. Good point. I think that's it. I think we've identified why cassette might not take, but you never know. You never know. These technologies could come back, but it is fascinating. And some artists that I have talked to have been excited. They were like, I've never thought that I would be able to come out with a vinyl record, but here it is. And I think we have a lot of newer artists to think because they started to create more and more vinals and fun colors and fun covers and things like that, that younger audiences are diving, like you mentioned, diving into both their newer artists, but then can listen to the, you know, just historic artists too on vinyl. But not only that, they'll actually buy the product as opposed to just streaming it for free. Or for a $10 subscription online. It's a great marketing thing for musicians. Fascinating. We'll talk a little more music on the other side with Rabbi Jonathan Hausman of Stoughton, Massachusetts joining us here on the program. Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminsky. On the news with Tina Kotek, M.K.O.A. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated female. Batman is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win! With Shemiel Musayev. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback jeans. Silverback Nation makes them noise. Versus Shameleu'll Osyev. All it's over! For the PFL welterweight world title. On real. Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Got plans this summer? A brewery crawl? Another lake trip? The same festival you've been to three times already? Do something different. This August, Virginia International Raceway becomes the ultimate summer destination. Watch Inns' Michelin GT Challenge at VIR. August 21 through 23rd brings some of the fastest sports cars to battle through VIR's legendary corners. Camp with friends. Enjoy live music and experience a weekend you'll actually be talking about afterward. Start planning now at govir.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving health care, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer, an in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need.

So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. The master of the telecaster guitar, Mr. Albert Susan Collins, bringing us back. Jimmy Sangenberger, best bumper music known to Manning for Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek. Welcome back to K-O-A and the first time with yours truly on this show. from Stoughton, Massachusetts. A blues fan talking to this blues man, Rabbi Jonathan Hausman of a Havath Torah congregation again in Stoughton, Massachusetts joins me this morning. How about that Albert Susan Collins to start our conversation, brother? The Iceman. You know how we got that name? You know how we got the name? I forget. People took a look at his unique style of playing and how cool it was, and they just started to pull him the ice stand. That's literally what happened. Literally what happened. That version was from live 1992 to 1993, and that was my introduction to Albert Susan Collins because my dad had that CD and got me, and I was already into the blues and everything. I don't know if he pointed it out to me specifically or if I was going through his CDs and found Albert Susan Collins and started playing it, but that was the first song I probably ever heard of Albert. No, not true. That's actually not true. It was don't lose your cool. That was on a compilation record was actually the first one. Well, I'll tell you, I've been listening to him since about 1979.

You couldn't have started with a better... with a better intro than him when it comes to me. I mean, he's absolutely my favorite blues guitar. I know. That's part of why I did it. But if you're going to listen to him live, there are a couple of albums that are out there, live at Montreau and live at Fuji Mountain. Yes. Okay. Both stellar, stellar shows. You can find it on YouTube if you want to watch the whole band together rather than just listen to it. Just amazing, amazing, amazing music. He was, you know, and the album Iceman, Virgin Records, 1991. There you go. What else can I tell you? Well, you know, one of the things that always happens these days, it seems, is the blues crops up. Through the news, through things people are saying, through hatred and bigotry that continues. And anti-Semitism, Jew hatred is on the rise. You see these reports that consistently come out from a few different organizations showing how it has risen, especially in the aftermath of October 7th. But initially, after October 7th, 23, and the most terrible... attack on Jews, slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust. You saw a lot of anti-Semitism rising on the left. Well, in recent months and over the last year, at least thereabouts, we've seen it crop up a lot more on the right, especially because of prominent voices like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. You and I both lean in that direction on the right, and to see this happen. that this has been resurging on the right is, it's terrifying in some respects, Rabbi Hasman. It's more than terrifying. I happen to think that, as I said in a church in Knoxville, Tennessee, you can tell the health of a society by how it's A, how it treats it, or I should say B, how it treats its most vulnerable, and A, how it treats its Jewish population. And there just seems to be this, it seems to be this historical. connection between the two, empires rising and falling and whatnot, depending upon how it treats its juice.

it is axiomatic in Jewish history. And it's not to, listen, Jimmy, it's not to say that Jew hatred hasn't existed on the left and does exist on the left, and it's existed on the left, ever since the rise of, you know, Libertte, Fraternoffte, you know, French Revolution, which is really where the left really got its start. Voltaire and Rousseau, they were not lovers of Jews. at all whatsoever and they wrote about it they weren't lovers of jews but you know you take a look and it's not that it hasn't been on the right historically because it has but you know here in the united states we had huge icons on the right who saw Jew hatred or anti-Semitism, whatever word you want to use, whatever term you want to use, who sought for what it was. And in the late 40s and certainly through the 50s and early 60s did their best to isolate it on the right and to expel it from the right. You know, all you need to do is take a look at the writings of somebody like William F. Buckley. who, let's face it, he's the one who really consolidated the conservative movement here in the 50s and 60s. And he isolated this. He wrote about this, didn't want the conservative movement to be touched by this whatsoever. And let's face it, then you have what's taking place. Post-October 7th, not just on the left, but on the right, the rise of people like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, and, you know, they're not the only ones, all right? And the tone deafness of our vice president who's been questioned by people who are... Heeping from the right who are heaping all kinds of calumnies on the Jewish people in the state of Israel. And he doesn't address it. He just doesn't address it. And what it ends up leading to is somebody like an icon on the right, like Senator Ted Cruz, who literally got up, I don't know, how many months ago was this Jimmy? You know, three months ago, four months ago, five months ago. I mean, literally, you have Ted Cruz. saying at an opening session of the Republican Jewish Coalition Leadership Summit, which, by the way, took place, I think, out in Denver this year, but I won't swear to it, saying he's seen more anti-Semitism on the right than he's ever seen in his entire life. This is a non-Jew. It's not just you, and it's not just me. This is Ted Cruz who has this national voice and national profile. Yeah. Yeah, you know, this outbreak of, you know, it's a number of things. Listen, it's not just October 7th. It's Zohran Mamdani Mania in New York. It's the heightened visibility of increased hostility directed at the American Jewish community. It's very interesting. I'll share this one story about my late wife. Yeah, please.

I mean, years ago, when Tucker Carlson moved over to Fox News, I remember Susan said to me, well, you must be happy. And, you know, I said, what about him? I'm not happy at all. I don't, never like the guy, never liked the guy. And my wife was stunned. She said, why? I said, because he's an isolationist or a neo-isolations. He fits into one of those categories. And people who are isolationists. don't like Jews. We are seeing the ultimate in cosmopolitan. And, you know, thank God my wife is not alive because, you know, I'm not the kind of guy who wants to go up and say, you know, Susan, see, I told herself. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. But I did tell her so. Yeah. There you go. Rabbi Jonathan Hausman joining us here, Ross Kaminsky on the news with Gina Gondack. We'll continue our conversation in a moment and play a snippet of JD Vance from the other night. But first, Gina, what's going on? Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. Batman is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shabilba. The send on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback jeans. Silverback Nation makes some noise. Versus Shemil Moussayev. All it's over! For the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real. Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. This is the race fans wait for all year. EMSA returns to Virginia International Raceway, August 21 through 23rd, as the world's top GT teams and drivers battle for championship points on VIR's iconic road course. See Porsche, BMW, Corvette, Mercedes-AmG, Ford, and more competing wheel-to-wheel. Three days of racing, paddock access, and non-stop action. Secure your tickets now at racevIR.com. That's R-A-C-V-I-R.com. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving health care, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. We're joined by the rabbi of a Havath Torah congregation in Stoughton, Massachusetts, my good friend, Rabbi Jonathan Hausman. I only got like 20 seconds for you to make a comment, but how about Freddie King, brother?

The Texas Cannonball. You're really playing some of my favorites for bumper music today. How about we just leave it at that? Yeah, there you go. There you go. So you mentioned JD Vance, Vice President of the United States, who I will add is a millennial, the first millennial to be vice president, which it was always a mixed bag for me when he was elected, having voted for Trump and JD Vance, that... I wasn't a fan of him as the nominee, and we see more and more reasons why I wasn't a fan than he was the VP nominee. But there was like, yeah, okay, hey, Republican is going to be the first millennial VP? That's kind of cool. But boy, is he off the reservation in many respects. But take a list in the other night when he was being heckled by someone at a Turning Point USA conference. And here's how he answered this heckling about supporting. Genocide by Israel in Gaza. I believe he said the administration supports a genocide in Gaza. And here's my response to that. When we came in, the humanitarian situation in Gaza was an absolute catastrophe. You know who's the person who got a peace agreement in Gaza? Donald J. Trump. So if you want to complain about what happened in Gaza.

So if you want, sir, to complain about what happened in Gaza, why don't you complain about Joe Biden in the last administration? We're the administration that solved that problem. Rabbi, nowhere did he say there that this is the modern day blood libel and that Israel did not and has not been committing genocide. Instead, he just went writing to say, oh, the humanitarian crisis was a catastrophe. And look who saved the day, Donald Trump? All right. So can I speak frankly, Jimmy? My language will be clean. You don't have to worry about it. If you didn't, I would be worried. He's an idiot, okay? He doesn't address, he doesn't address the claims of genocide. He completely ignores the millions and millions and millions of tons of humanitarian aid that Israel was shipping into Gaza. He ignores completely how much aid from other sources outside of Israel was being stolen by Hamas to support Hamas. defeat its fighters, to support its prosecution of its war against Israel and the Jewish people. It's just absolutely heinous. And I'm going to tell you something. If you take a look statistically at what's happening, a polling data coming out, if JD Vance is the nominee. from the Republican side in 2028, he only has 9% support amongst the American Jewish community. The largest given community to political candidates across the country will shun the Republicans, and it will be an absolute catastrophe. And listen, that's not to say that the Democrats are better because they're not, okay? You know, it's... Every piece of research out there shows that the America is becoming more anti-Semitic over the years. And it goes against the grain. Conventional wisdom would say. that it should be coming from the older generation, but it's not. It's coming from the younger generations. It's coming from millennials and generations that are younger than the millennials as well. The reasons for it are manifold, but the data... certainly points to this. And rather than understanding Jew hatred purely through a partisan prism, which is what he wants to do, you really need to understand it as a generational phenomenon and confront it accordingly, which he does not address. I've only got about a minute left or just a little longer with you, Rabbi Hausman, but here in Colorado, we have a candidate.

for the chairman of the Colorado Republican Party, a far-right podcaster by the name of Joe Sam Altman, who talks about a synagogue of Satan running this state because he points to Jared Polis, who is Jewish as governor and Attorney General Phil Weiser and Secretary of State. Jena Griswold, the district attorney in Mesa County, a Republican who is the one who prosecuted former Mesa County Clerk Tina. Peters also in that synagogue of Satan. And he lists all these Jews that are part of this group running the state. And I want to ask you for folks who are conservative, who are Republican in this state, who recognize this Jew hatred, but they see that this guy could become the chair of the Colorado GOP, real, as briefly as you can, what can we do? What do you recommend? Vote against him. I say, listen, he's running for this position. He hasn't won anything. You need to defeat this guy in the primary. Very simple. Very simple. The Colorado GOP needs to understand what it's dealing with with a guy like this. You know, and no differently than the Maine GOP needs to understand what's happened, or the Democratic Party needs to understand what's happening with Graham Platner up in Maine, with his not just flirting with Nazi rhetoric, but actually embracing it. You know, what this guy's doing with the synagogue of Satan's statement. As he's hooking in to a strain within a Christian history where they're trying to paint all Jews guilty of blood libel in slandering the church. all right and opposing the church in philadelphia and smirner and whatnot and this was this is all history that was meant to be addressed by no straight atate and is that you're being completely absolutely ignored by people like Tucker Carlson and kansas so it's JD Vance And what's your name? Carrie. Megyn Kelly and what and others, yeah. Megyn Kelly. You know, as there you go. Right, as if they know more about Catholic theology and the development within a Catholic church. than you, a practicing Catholic. All right, Rabbi Jonathan Hausman, on that note, is unfortunate we couldn't get into the political cover for anti-Semitism like anti-Zionism and how that's used. But that's for another time. Thanks so much, my friend, for joining us here on KOA. I appreciate it.

Anytime, Jimmy, always happen. Always happy to do so. Once again, Rabbi Jonathan Hausman, joining us. Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek. Jimmy here on KOLA. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. Batman is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shemir Mousa. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback gene. Silverback nation makes them noise. versus Shamil Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. This is the race fans wait for all year. EMSA returns to Virginia International Raceway, August 21 through 23rd, as the world's top GT teams and drivers battle for championship points on VIR's iconic road course. See Porsche, BMW, Corvette, Mercedes-AmG, Ford, and more competing wheel-to-wheel, three days of racing, paddock access, and nonstop action. Secure your tickets now at racevIR.com. That's r-A-C-E-V-I-R.com. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving health care, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. In Foras Kaminsky this morning, along with Tina Kotek on this Friday, I'm seeing here CNN saying Iran is saying the Strait of Hormuz completely open and that it is reopened. Obviously, you have this blockade that the Trump military. Trump administration's led military, rather, had put in place. And it seems that that has been working, putting the economic squeeze big time on Iran. This is a significant step, if that's the case. And it continues to be like this without Iran backpedaling on that. It also could pave the way to a resolution. Remember, next Wednesday is when we mark two weeks into the ceasefire. Where are things going to be over the next several days? We'll be talking about it next week. In fact, we'll check in on Wednesday of next week with retired brigadier general and Doug Slocum, who joined us last week when I filled in.

to offer perspective. He served in the Middle East as tremendous analysis actually was an instructor of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Dan Raisin Kane. And he'll be joining us next Wednesday to sort of check in and look at where things are at that point. Meanwhile, 56690 is the COA Common Spirit Health Text Line 56690. And we had with Rabbi Hausman in the last half hour, we had. The bumper from the Iceman, Albert Susan Collins, who was introduced as the master of the telecaster by his bandmate. But that's because that's the nickname he garnered decades ago before widespread panic was a band. And Michael Houser is, well, Taurus for widespread panic, long time. And listener texts had come in saying, no, Michael Hauser was the master of the telecaster, who has a telecaster hanging in Red Rock's Hall of Fame, Michael Hauser. Well, widespread panic has played a ton of shows. Right, Dragon? Red Rocks. Real quick, though. I do like that he did add in there, or she. Sorry. Sorry for the correction. I didn't read that. I should have read that, the complete text. Trying to be as polite as he can. And then another jab at that second text, which who has the hanging, who has a telecaster hanging in Red Rocks? And that recognition will happen when a band plays many shows and as a sort of. jam band type of band especially like they've played many concerts at red rocks um i wouldn't be surprised if there's something i don't know if there's a in the red rocks hall of fame there's a warren haines guitar or something like that i wouldn't be surprised with the number of shows i mean heck uh when i interviewed him on this show a couple weeks ago or on the station a couple weeks ago months ago he said in one month He, in one year, one month of one year, he did eight shows at Red Rocks. Like, so you never know. But that is not to denigrate in any way an amazing guitarist like Michael Houser. It's just to stand up for and reaffirm Albert Susan Collins as the master of the telecaster. Now, someone who has mastered the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and an understanding of our nation's founding is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who gave a speech at the University of Texas Austin on Wednesday, in which it was critical of progressivism and it's being out of step with the Declaration of Independence. As we meet today, It is unclear whether these principles will endure. At the beginning of the 20th century, a new set of first principles of government was introduced into the American mainstream.

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But first of all, you don't want to get in a fight. Yes, it is a fight with Hope Leo. who is very popular, the first American pope, you're giving him more stature in the way that he's attacking him and criticizing him. And now the Trump administration's pulling funding from certain Catholic charity organizations. I'm looking into that a little bit more, but there's the allegation that that's tied in with frustration over the pope. And he's very, he's more popular in polls among Americans than Donald Trump. Maybe that's part of why he's going after him. But you can have these disagreements, and I can agree with those points that Trump would make, but you don't go out of the way that you are. And you should pull back, Mr. President. You're not winning this. You just aren't. Coming up on the other side, the mayor of Denver returns here on K-O-A. We'll check in with Mike Johnston. And... Have more conversations rolling ahead. Jimmy in for Ross, along with Gina on K-O-N. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. Bad man is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shamiya Osama. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback gene. Silverback nation makes some noise. versus Shemil Musayev for the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real. Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Entertain clients, reward employees, or enjoy a first-class race weekend with VIR's premium MSA hospitality experiences. August 21st through 23rd, enjoy exclusive viewing areas, premium amenities, food and beverage options, and access that puts you close to the action. Whether for business or pleasure, elevate your weekend at Virginia International Raceway. Explore and upgrade your tickets at VIRVIP.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving health care, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer, an in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need.

So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. The Rocky Mountain Way, as is certainly the case for Denverites, like our guest joining us now on the K-O-A Common Spirit Health Hotline, the mayor of Denver. Mr. Mike Johnston returns to the program. Are you living the Rocky Mountain Way, Mr. Mayor? I am. I don't know exactly what that means, but I feel like I am. Well, Mayor, I won't stray away from it this week since Ross is on vacation. Last week, he said you had to think of a more ridiculous question, which I don't even know as possible, for me today. So I'm curious what you got. That's great. Well, I actually went less ridiculous, but more interesting, which is I know you're a music person. So my question is, best show you've ever seen. Oh. Best constant you've ever been to. I feel like that would be like a parent trying to name their favorite child. Oh, yeah. Wow. That is really, really hard. You can give a few. All right. Let me think about it for the rest of this interview. And we'll give you the answer at the end. And I'm going to jump in and offer one at the end as well. I got to toy around with that because there's so many fantastic shows. Mine was Springsteen born in the USA for my 10th birthday at Mile High Stadium. Whoa. Can't beat that one. There you go. Was that the first concert you saw? Well, the first concert I saw was Tears for Fears at Red Rocks, but the first concert I wanted to see was Brian Adams at Red Rocks, but my mom thought Brian Adams was too scandalous. There you go. First concert I saw at 7. I was living in New Jersey at the time was Johnny Lang opening for Jeff Beck. So seven years old seeing Jeff Beck was quite a show. But we'll get to a favorite show here at the end of the conversation. Mr. Mayor, I want to start by asking you about, you know, when we look at education in the city and county of Denver, Denver Public Schools, you have tried to present a little bit of accountability there in your time as mayor when we've seen struggles. The district has had a number of difficulties. In a variety of areas. And they will be asking this coming fall for additional funding in the tens of millions of dollars, I think through a new mill levy override after the bond before. I'm curious just sort of what you make at this point of DPS as they look for some additional funding for the district. Do you think that they are making some changes under the current board or the administration, anything that's giving you some encouragement, things that you want to see better? Any thoughts on all that? Yeah, I think we've seen some encouraging growth over the last few years. We've seen some improvements in student performance, both in reading and math, across the district. And so I think that's...

encouraging. I think there's always, you know, more place to grow. And so always excited to see them be focused on how we get really high-level instruction to kids and how do we hold ourselves accountable for outcomes. I think they're right, Jimmy. The big, the big important, I think, North Star here is to focus on accountability and focus on, I think, autonomy. Like the more control you get to teachers and principals on how they can design a school that parents and kids want, and then the more you hold them accountable. to delivering results. I think that delivers good things. And that also attracts great teachers and principals because they want to work in places where they have some autonomy. So I think there's good progress. I've not yet read the proposal on the mill levy, so I haven't waited on that. But I know that they were considering it, but I haven't yet read their proposal. And I'm optimistic this new board will be really focused on results. So I think we're waiting to see how they do. Going off of that a little bit, Mr. Mayor, the Denver Public Schools Committee, a Denver Public Schools Committee is considering a ban on phones from the start of the school day to the end of the school day for all students. As a former teacher, principal, yourself, is this something, would you like to see a full outright ban of phones? Or is there any way of balancing a use in schools? I think it's a fantastic idea. I would support. I mean, during the school day, eight to four, there's no, I think, you know, critical use for it. And what there is, is, I think, a real need to not just have kids develop longer attention spans of focus, but it is also about social development, right? What we know is a challenge for young people is if it's, you can be nervous as a middle schooler and you don't know how to end it's awkward or as an elementary school student. But that ability to have to walk into a conversation with a peer or a teacher is what helps you develop that self-confidence. When you have the recruiter being able to retreat to your phone all the time, it doesn't allow you to go to the discomfort of that development and growth. And so I have a point. The idea is if we could, from the city level, try to push some of those kind of changes because we think the more chances kids have to focus on instruction and relationship building rather than technology is great. There are other ways to use technology in the classrooms, of course, that we should use. But I don't think they require individual student phone use for the things that they use it for mostly, which is social media. Let's talk about crime for a moment, Mayor Mike Johnston. As you'll recall a few weeks back when I had the opportunity to be with you and Gina together, I told you that I'm a three-time victim of auto theft, and I've been pleased to see Denver getting tougher in that regard. We talked about the accent cameras, and you won that push to make sure that you have those surveillance opportunities available for law enforcement, which are key in tracking down vehicles often use stolen cars. in the commission of other crimes. So I wonder, as an advocate for implementing anti-crime tech and the husband of a prosecutor, I know that you get that we need to put bad guys in jail so they don't harm the rest of us. But then I see some of the things that are happening at the legislature with bills like the one that would water down.

first degree murder, which I simply cannot wrap my head around that one. I wonder if you think that or worry at all that the pendulum might have swung a little bit too far in the name of justice reform, including among some folks in your party, but in general. I think it has. I think frankly there are places where I think we've overreacted on wanting to. protect against, you know, over-enforcement or over-incarceration. I think there are lots of good policies we know prevent over-incarceration, particular people of color. I'll tell you the best policy of all is putting more officers in the street. So that is the best thing to do is that it's prevention, which prevents people from ever being charged, prevents crimes from happening. So that's what we've been focusing on here in Denver, and that's really made a difference because everyone wants to see more officers there to be able to help prevent crime. So we focus on that. I don't follow... all the stuff in the legislature, but I think people that believe that what the public want right now is massive reductions and accountability for folks to breaking the law, I think they're out of touch with where the public is. That is not what folks want. They want to see the law enforced. They want to know that they feel safe in their city. And that means, I think, more officers and more accountability. And so that's where I am, and that's where I think most residents of Denver are. The story we've had in the newscasts for the past couple of weeks now, we've been really been following that city council delay of the next steps and the approval process for the e-scooter and e-bike programs in the city. Curious if you support this proposed VO contract with this new e-scooter company and getting rid of the limes and the birds that we have scattered throughout the city. I do, and here's why. This actually has to do with safety, too, and has nothing to do with the vendor. One of the most important things about this new vendor is people often complain, gosh, I have scooters tearing down the sidewalk, you know, bumping into, you know, people using wheelchairs, whatever it might be, or the scooters left all over the street or in front of my house or my business. The technology that this company has that we can use is what's called geo-fencing, which allows us to restrict. where exactly you can ride a scooter. So if you tried to ride it on the sidewalk, it would just shut off and stop riding. In addition, it forces you to actually park them in corrals, what I call the Denver Hitching Post, the place where you have to leave the scooter. And if you don't leave it in a designated location, we'll just keep charging you. Your card won't ever turn off. We'll keep charging you until you park it in a designated location. So this will end the reign of terror that people fell where there were scooters everywhere on sidewalks making you feel unsafe or where they were just... strewn all over the streets. This will allow us to control that, and that technology is really important. I know Lyme has really talked about its equity program. I mean, I even enjoy riding Lyme so you could do like the $3 rides for 30 minutes, and some people even have free rides if you qualify for certain programs. Is this something that Vio will offer? Because I know it's a smaller company. Some people are concerned, will it have the footprint that we're looking for in Denver? Lost there? We have questions to answer in regards to music. So hopefully we'll... His phone started to give out for a second there. Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, are you still there? There we go. I think we'll get him back here. There we go. There we go. There we go. Great, sorry. Yeah, so Gene, I did hear you. Yes, this has the same and actually an even stronger equity program. That was part of our priorities. It has to have the same supports for folks that need access to scooters that discounted rate. Those same community benefits.

And actually it saves the city a couple million dollars of city resources on the cost of the contracts. So both was a better deal for the city, same equity commitment, and much better safety parameters around where the scooters can go and how fast they can go. All right, it is time, Mr. Mayor, for us to answer our question from you. A little bit of truth. The moment of truth, the favorite concert. This is so difficult. You are absolutely right, Gina, but I'm going to go with two that for different reasons. One, seeing the almond brothers band at Red Rocks when I was 13. I have to say, especially because it was before Greg Alman would pass away. And nothing like Red Rocks to see a concert, especially for the best band in all of history. Probably the most controversial thing I've ever said on the air. But I think it's true. The other one I would say is, gosh, in 2022, Jobana Massa at Red Rocks. I love seeing him most years. It was about a month into dating my now fiancé, and it was my first real opportunity to introduce her to the blues, amazing and amazing concert and being with her. So I'm going to go with that as well. That's great ones. All right. You know, what do you got? Okay. You know it feels to be on the spot. Jimmy gave two. I'm giving two. I also can't say if they're my top, top favorites, but I centered around Denver only shows because there's been a lot of festivals and stuff in my life, too. But let's go with two in power field shows, historic one and a monumental one in two different ways. Rolling Stones. 2024. And of course, I got to say that Taylor Swift show because there was nothing else like it. I'm not a huge Swifty, but to see that just performance value in that level in that stadium was insane. That was on my list, too. That was also, I was not a huge thing. I walked in the door when I was when I walked out. That one was iconic. Absolutely. Gotta love it. Mayor Mike Johnston. Oh, my gosh. Thanks for getting us thinking about all the concerts we've been to. That's a toughie. And for joining us, as always, on KLA. Thanks, y'all. I have a good morning. You as well. Again, Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek, Mayor Mike Johnston, joining us. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. Batman is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shemail Musa. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback gene. Silverback nation makes some noise.

versus Shamil Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL welterweight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Got plans this summer? A brewery crawl? Another lake trip? The same festival you've been to three times already? Do something different. This August, Virginia International Raceway becomes the ultimate summer destination. Watch Inns's Michelin GT Challenge at VIR, August 21 through 23rd, bring some of the fastest sports cars to battle through VIR's legendary corners. Camp with friends, enjoy live music, and experience a weekend you'll actually be talking about afterward. Start planning now at govIR.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our war fighters, delivers mission-ready intelligence, advances life-saving healthcare, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer, an in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. Layla with its own special story. Quite a story behind that song. And that whole album with, by the way, Dwayne Allman on this slide guitar. Gotta love it. Jimmy Sangenberger here with you for Ross Kaminsky on the news with Gina Gondick. And Gina, let's stick with music and focus on... you and your understanding, or do you even understand? Because I asked you yesterday, can you explain Coachella to me? Well, first off, let me just say, I didn't expect the mayor to give me the hardest possible question to answer in my entire life. You know what's funny? I told Dragon. That was the question I had brainstormed if we weren't, you had to check the record to make sure it was in fact that he was going to ask the question for the next couple of weeks. And I had that in my back pocket was the same question he asked us. So I love that he asked that, but I wasn't prepared to answer myself. I was like, I have no idea. That is so hard to say. But another one that maybe I thought about was Lady Gaga at Coachella last year because it launched her Mayhem Ball tour. It was just the production value of it. In like on par with what we saw with Taylor Swift and in Powerfield, some of those pop artists can just go above and beyond with what you see on stage. But Coachella is is another world to say the least. And I know a lot of people kind of.

scoff at it because back in the day Coachella used to be this big hippie festival that people would pay 50 bucks for and just stumble into and just find these artists that were just up and coming and just major acts at the time and now it is just Everyone has a phone, a camera, a ringlight, an outfit that they paid thousands of dollars for, a sponsor that they're there to attend with. It's so different than what people said, at least it used to be. I can't speak from experience because I only went once last year. And it was just one of those things where I was very taken aback to be like. This is way more about the fashion and the style and the influencers that it is the music. Did you think that you were just there watching influencers in the wild and that was what was going on more than anything else except for Lady Gaga? I mean, the artists that are on stage and the performance value that they put on is just hands down one of the best. Second to not. Yeah. It's an incredible festival for the artist. But. Everyone has a phone in the air and has to record every minute of every single show. Or they're turning the phone to themselves. And it is just a video of them singing at the show. And I'm like, what is the purpose of this? But it is definitely a very self-centered. I am here and I have to show everyone else that I'm here as well. You know, I must confess that I regularly record concerts that I go to. I'm too much. But I never share them or post them. In fact, I often don't even go back and look. But when I see the guitar solars or whatever, I want to capture it. But what you're talking about is next level, this is all about the influencers and what they're doing. But do we begrudge them when it's their job? That's the thing. You know, like, because yes, going off of your first comment, I record two. I record a couple. songs because I have a whole record of them on my Instagram account. So I remember what shows I go to because I go to so many of them. But yes, you're completely right in the fact that they get paid to do this. This is like their Super Bowl. So they come prepared. They come in the outfits that they need to wear because a sponsor told them they need to wear them. And they are making the content that they are sometimes contracted to do. So it's like, can you blame them? They're just doing their jobs. Right. That's true, you know, it's a brave new world that we're in, though, in that respect. It is, I have to say that, notwithstanding that that's true, and we can't really begrudge them when is their job. It is about the music for a festival. It should be, and it's almost like you are. trampling upon something sacred when it's all about you and changing what a festival is supposed to be about into something totally different. If you have a time this weekend, just go to YouTube. Coachella literally streams all of their shows. Do Couchella? Was that what you said? Couchella. You can watch Coachella from your couch. And you can see the audience and just how.

dead panned. They could be at times, phones, thousands of phones up in the air, and everybody, nobody jumping up and down, nobody's screaming, nobody's shouting, everyone's just kind of standing around. And that was very, very odd for me to see. Fascinating. Well, we're going to keep on the music-related conversation in the next segment and get analysis on that Ticketmaster Live Nation. Judgment from a jury just yesterday, or a couple days ago, with Gary from Gary Lane, who's the former director of Denver Cedars and arenas in the 90s and has been in that world for many decades. Fascinating conversation coming up on the other side. Jimmy in for Ross with Gina on K.O. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated female. Batman is a rising star. and a frightening force. What a win for Shamele Musayev. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the Silverback James. Silverback Nation makes some noise. Versus Shamele Mouss over. For the PFL welterweight world title. On real. Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Got plans this summer? A brewery crawl? Another lake trip? The same festival you've been to three times already? Do something different. This August, Virginia International Raceway becomes the ultimate summer destination. Watch EMS's Michelin GT Challenge at VIR, August 21st through 23rd, bring some of the fastest sports cars to battle through VIR's legendary corners. Camp with friends, enjoy live music, and experience a weekend you'll actually be talking about afterward. Start planning now at govIR.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving healthcare, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. Now, we just had some pretty big news this week a couple of days ago from a jury that pushed ahead with a ruling saying, hey, we don't like what's going on with Live Nation parent company of ticket master.

Saying that they are running a harmful monopoly over large venues across the United States. But of course there are many questions as to what might happen next. Live Nation already pledging that they will continue to fight this in court saying in a statement the jury's verdict is not the last word on this matter. Pending motions will determine whether the liability and damage rulings stand. What's really going on here? Is there a role for government intervention? And how did we get to this point? Let's talk about it with someone who really has a keen understanding of how all of this has unfolded over the years. Back in the 1990s, he was the director. of Denver theaters and arenas, including Red Rocks and so many other venues in Denver. He's also known as the man most responsible for bringing the Colorado Avalanche to Denver, which is pretty remarkable. And he's the president nowadays of Center Lane Attractions. Gary Lane joins us now on K-O-A. Good morning, Gary, how are you? Good morning, just fine. Thanks, Jimmy. Thanks for coming on. So let's sort of get top line here to start. What is your assessment of this jury's ruling in the case that was brought in particular by attorneys general from across the country, including Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser, the jury saying they're running a harmful monopoly. What's your take on it? And how did we get here in the big picture? Well, there's probably... probably two main points to the settlement. The money is a material. I mean, that's not even germane to the issue. But what is germane is they have to give up 50% of the tickets in their live nation-owned controlled amphitheaters to other vendors other than Ticketmaster. And they've got exclusive booking agreements with probably another 15 venues and a few arenas out there. And they have to divest from...

And so how did we get here to this point? And what do you think about the jury's determination? It started with a man named Fred Rosen, who took ticketing from a service that was included in your ticket price to a standalone revenue stream. He found a ticket master. We fought all the time. Barry didn't like him. I didn't like him. He was a millionaire, and he created a major company that a Live Nation bought up because they could see the left-hand right-hand in it where they could tie renting the building and the ticket sales and have everything under one roof and control it. So that's why breaking up the tickets and breaking up the exclusives is really the way to go on this issue. The money, I mean, my goodness, I mean, who do you think was the first artist to make $100,000 guaranteed at Red Rocks? Who? Whitney Houston. That's really back in the day when the service charges started going much, much higher because the artists were paid much, much more. And Live Nation would have, they would offer a lot of money to an artist for, let's say, 40 dates on a tour, and then they would... Look at what they had to pay the artist to get them to sign up, and then they would just adjust all the service charges to make sure it was a profitable engagement for them. So there's this concept that you talk about. We've talked off air about this called tying, which you believe that might be an illegal instance of tying going on here. What's that about? Well, if a seller requires a buyer to purchase a second product as a requirement to buy the first product, that's illegal tying according to the law. It restricts competition. I think they got them on that to some degree. I think they could have taken it a lot farther if they wanted to, but they were hung up on this money and given rebates to citizens. You know, that's just going nowhere. I mean, that money will get all eaten up by lawyers. Nobody will make any money. So the money part of it's nothing. It's really breaking up the exclusives and the exclusive on ticket sales and exclusive on bookings. That's where the beef is. And the private sector can sort it out from there. If the government will just put down a couple railroad tracks, allow a ticket in company to make money on the research and development, allow them to make the money to cover the operating. The rest is all profit. So that's what needs to be looked at. And my guess is that's well over 50% of the service charge. Gary, we had a texter that said, okay, Gina and Jimmy, who cares about the ticket master ruling? I've been priced out of events for decades. So, I mean, when we look at this in the grand scheme of things, can concert goers, can ticket users, can anybody really see any relief from the verdict? Will we ever see prices of tickets actually drop? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Everything is going up. Artists demand more money, and Live Nation and Ticketmaster have multiple revenue streams to make back the money that they pay the artist. So the artist decides they wanted to have them. I mean, I used to argue against MCA Universal Amphitheater because we had Red Rocks, they had Fiddler's Green. And Barry was really the champion of Red Rocks. But we had to argue and fight because we're 9,600 seats against 18,000.

So we created an area when I first got there, there was like drywall all downstairs underneath red rocks. I kicked it all out and found red rocks back there. So we went the aesthetics route and told artists, look, if you're told agents, if your artist wants to make another extra half a million dollars, do it in Phoenix, do it in L.A. Don't do it in Denver. Your people want to see your artists at Red Rocks. And that's what really launched us and took off. And of course, you're talking about legendary Denver concert promoter, Barry Fay, when you mentioned. Barry, I want to ask you, when you talked about breaking up the exclusives and those kinds of things related to the tying, can that be done without breaking up Live Nation as though it's a monopoly and splitting off with Ticketmaster? Is there a way around that? Or do you think it would require a full breakup of the company? I don't think it requires a full breakup, and that gets really complicated. That'll take five years in litigation. It really just needs to come down to the point that you get rid of exclusives and you let the private sector and the market take effect, take over. You know, at Red Rocks, like Barry and I got into it over the liquor license. I got the liquor license at Red Rocks in the 90s. I don't know how many millions that's worth today over 35 years. Very sick of the mothers against Trump drivers on me because I wouldn't pay him any of the money. And the Vibe Nation wanted money too. They all want money from everything they can get. When Bruce Springsteen first went out on amphitheater tour, he wanted 100% of the ticketing revenue. That left the venue and the promoter holding the bag, you know, it was really high risk. never really leveled out from that point on. They've just continued to go down this road somewhat uncontrolled. So it's a good thing that the litigation happened. Everybody's at the table trying to discuss what to do with it. But, you know, it's just hard to compete out there when everybody's got their Gary, like 30 seconds here, I wish we could talk live music industry with you, just local live music industry for hours. But just 30 seconds in your summary, what do you think is the best case scenario that we could see and how this verdict could even possibly change the live music industry? Allowing many more people to participate in the live music business than currently do. I mean, you got Aegee, you got Live Nation. You know, the regional... silverman from s fx got a lot of money from two clear channel and he rolled up all the regional promoters clear channel bought it for four billion turned it into live nation they bought the ticketing company so the whole snowball just started going downhill from the late 90s on and i don't know how to you stop snowball going down And another time, we should talk about how Gary Lane, how government, if they were to say, hey, we need to intervene here and pass some kind of a bill, how you believe that would make a mess of everything. Just this government always does. Gary Lane, unfortunately, we are out of time, former director of Denver theaters and arenas. Really appreciate your time and look forward to talking with you again down the line, sir.

Okay, have a good day. Thank you. You as well. Once again, Gary Lane joining us. Just a fascinating topic coming up. Speaking of music and more, weekend events on the other side on K-OA. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best wealth away in the world. An undefeated phenom. That man is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shabil Messiah! Ascend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Oh! Thad, the Silverback Gene. Silverback Nation makes some noise. Versus Shemil Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Entertain clients, reward employees, or enjoy a first-class race weekend with VIR's premium MSA hospitality experiences. August 21st through 23rd, enjoy exclusive viewing areas, premium amenities, food and beverage options, and access that puts you close to the action. Whether for business or pleasure, elevate your weekend at Virginia International Raceway. Explore and upgrade your tickets at VIRVIP.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving healthcare, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. If you want a little summary, I posted a video on KOA's Instagram page with some of the top bullet points of some of the local events or... Just listen to the weekend events right here as Elish Gardens is kicking off the summer season in Denver this weekend, and K-O-A's Carrie Mac will be there. The downtown Denver Amusement Park opens to the public for its 136 season tomorrow. The park said it will operate for its longest season in its history this year. Remaining open through the fall with six weekends of Eelich Gardens Fright Fest and its six-week Elage Holidays event with Lights and Santa Claus. Excellence and Innovation on full display this weekend with Masterworks by the Colorado Bank. They'll conclude their 65th season with a trio of powerhouse masterpieces performed at the L.A. Cawkins Opera House with live music featuring the Colorado Ballet Orchestra. There's three performances today and tomorrow both are at 7.30, another at 2 p.m. on Sunday. You can learn more at Coloradoballet.org.

There's also still time to see Dracula, a comedy of terrors at the Garner Gallery of Theater. I loved this one. It's very, very funny. Filled with clever wordplay, anything goes, pop culture references. It's a 90-minute quick changing of the gothic classic, perfect for audiences of all blood types. The comedy plays through May 10th. Ready to take the plunge, the Windsor Police Department is teaming up with Special Olympics, Colorado, for a cold weather fundraiser. Kayway's Brenda Stewart. The annual Windsor polar plunge in 5K begins at 8 a.m. tomorrow at Windsor Lake in Boardwalk Park. plungers and runners are encouraged to dressing costumes, coordinate themes, and bring other creative ideas. Spectators are also welcome. The polar plunge is a special Olympics fundraiser aimed at raising $780,000 statewide to provide funding for more than 28,000 athletes. You can travel the world in a single night without leaving Denver. The Denver Zoo Conservation Alliance's glowing wild celebration continues through May 10th, experience 60 illuminated. scenes and 175 new larger-than-life lantern sculptures that bring animals and their stories to light, all handcrafted by Chinese artisans. K-O. Sam's Beck headed to the only drive-in movie theater in the Denver metro area. The 88 drive-in theater has reopened this month to kick off yet another summer season. The Adams County Drive-In Theater offers a double feature tonight tomorrow and on Sunday. The movies you ask, it's the Super Mario Galaxy movie and Project Hail Mary. Lots to get to in sports. Here's KOA's Keenan Dixon. The NBA. Playoffs begin for the Denver Nuggets tomorrow afternoon. The host of Minnesota Timberwolves at 130 and a rematch of the 2024 Western Conference semifinals, a series at Minnesota won in seven games. The U.S. Women's National Team faces longtime rival Japan tonight at Dick Sporting Goods Park. The USWNT returns to Commerce City for the second consecutive year following a 4-0 victory over Ireland last summer. And the Colorado Rapids' 30th anniversary match against Inter-Miamy takes place tomorrow at 2nd. 2.30 at Empower Field Mile High. The match commemorates the Rapids inaugural home match at the original Mile High Stadium in 1996. More than 60,000 tickets have been sold for Saturday's game featuring Argentinian star Lionel Messi. Tickets are available through Ticketmaster. And the Rockies return to Corse Field for a seven-game homestand. They'll host to Los Angeles Dodgers tonight, tomorrow, and Monday. You can catch those games right here on K-O-A beginning at 6. As always, you can let us know what you have going on this weekend. I love spotlighting any other weekend events that are happening from listeners. Text us at 56690. We spotlight weekend events twice every Friday, once in the 5 o'clock hour on Colorado's morning news and once at 817 this morning on Ross Kaminsky on the news with Tina Kotek and Jimmy Sangenberger. I would be remiss if I did not add one more concert that is also happening this weekend.

A little sloppy this morning, but you know what? I think you recognize that tune from the Rolling Stone Show, one of your favorite concerts. We do perform Miss You in the Jimmy Jr. Blues Band. And the Jimmy Junior Blues Band will be back for a second Saturday in a row at T-Birds in Wheatridge at 44th in Kipling. It's a great place. Gotta love being there. And we're looking forward to it with my friend DJ Johnson, who will be singing with us in the second set. She's actually on the board of the Colorado Country Music Hall of Fame. She's got a great country band of her own in town, the Youngheart band. And phenomenal singer, she'll be joining. Yours truly Jimmy Jr. along with Joel Ducek on guitar and vocals. Ken Cornell on the bass. Mike Rossi on the drums and back with us on the keys. Greg Rice, who's part of DJ's band as it happens. And we're looking forward to having a great time. So that's more music to add to your weekend. We'd love to see folks out there. Tea Birds in Wheatridge tomorrow. That's from 6 to 9, the Jimmy Jr. Blues. band which does have some classic rock in there like miss you what's your favorite rolling stones uh song you know you can't ask me if you one of them if you listen to me do name that tune you will learn that i love music i cannot name songs i cannot name bands i cannot name albums i just nothing nope I just love music in general. There you go. And you know what? That's more than enough for me because if you don't love music, then something's going on that I'd be a little concerned about. Got to love it. Jimmy Sangenberger here with you in for Roskiminsky. On the news with Gina Gondack. We'll keep it going on KLA. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best wealth away in the world. An undefeated phenom. That man is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shemil Moussia. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback gene. Silverback nation makes some noise. Versus Shemil Mousayev. All is over. for the PFL welterweight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Entertain clients, reward employees, or enjoy a first-class race weekend with VIR's premium MSA hospitality experiences. August 21st through 23rd, enjoy exclusive viewing areas, premium amenities, food and beverage options, and access that puts you close to the action. Whether for business or pleasure, elevate your weekend at Virginia International Raceway. Explore and upgrade your tickets at VIRVIP.net.

Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving healthcare, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. Bringing you the best bumper music known to man. Whenever I fill it here on K-O-A, whatever the show. And through next Friday, it's Ross Kaminsky on the news with Gina Gondack. And Dragon, somehow we've gone most of the show without... Me reminding you and everybody else where you can go to find my latest columns when the Jimmy Jr. Blues Band has gigs like tomorrow night at T-Birds in Wheatridge from 6 to 9 p.m. Come on out. Be there or be square. Podcasts, all the things you can contact me 247, 365. The site is jimbinger.com. Keep in mind, there's no AI or you in Sangenberger. It's all ease all the time. Once you know that Sangenberger is easy. And it is. It is very easy. Isn't it dragon? Very much so. That's why he's got it down to a T. Good to be with you. My column today, speaking of columns and latest. In the Denver Gazette, Jared Polis is anti-bus. Just ask Jared Polis. In fact, Governor Jared Polis just told on himself. What do I mean? A letter signed by 233 business and technology leaders was addressed to Governor Jared Polis, Denver Mayor Mike Johnston, Democratic senatorial candidates, and other political leaders. Well, guess what? Jared Polis signed the letter to. Yes, he signed a letter to in part himself, a political masterstroke of being on both sides of an issue. So this letter was titled, Ensuring Colorado's Innovation Future, Cautioning. The letter cautions that the direction we are heading, and I'm quoting here, threatens the long-term prosperity of the people who call Colorado home. The foundation of Colorado's technology and business leadership is deteriorating, they wrote. The signatories add that it's that is flagging, rather they're flagging structural disadvantages.

that introduce unnecessary risk. This came after a Colorado Chamber Foundation report that warned of a, quote, slow burn of companies looking elsewhere to invest and grow. That report identified in that 34 fewer public company headquarters that remain in Colorado in just this four-year period. 36 have relocated here, but 70 have left. Since 2019, when Jared Polis took office, 98 companies have either left or considered Colorado but chose elsewhere, including 27 just last year alone. Now, employment growth in Colorado ranks number 34 nationally, or labor force participation rate has declined. Now, Jared Polis has fancied himself as a libertarian governor. Yet Colorado has become the sixth most regulated state for business. There was a series that the Gazette put out called Fiscal Rockies, which really chronicled a regulatory thicket that's driven up the costs of all kinds of things. It's stalled investment. It's pushed companies to look elsewhere. Colorado's Business Roundtable. Did a survey. Senior executives have a top concern of regulations followed by an anti-business climate. In fact, the Jared Polis administration is responsible for implementing most regulations. And most of those come from legislation signed into law. By the governor. In my column today, I chronicle numerous instances where Jared Polis signed bills into law that have brought about the deterioration that he signed a letter saying is happening. You literally can't make this stuff up. Now, last year he did 11 vetoes, which is the most of his governorship. Good to see. Four of them were regulatory. Another had to deal with this thing called the Labor Peace Act that Democrats have been gunning for trying to get rid of and police vetoed legislation to get rid of that peace between business and labor that has gone on for 80 years. But from the Public Utilities Commission, which he appoints to taxes and fees, which he's actually driven up fees. While only backing tax cuts when conservative organizations like the Independence Institute get them on the ballot, he'll say, oh, I like that, but he never puts forward a bill to do the same. So I chronicle all of that in this column. And pull is claimed this week. That the issue speaks to more than just the legislature. It goes to the fact that people can put things on the ballot and that sometimes they can pass. I'm going really, governor? Like that's that's your lesson here?

Honestly, let's be real as I write in my column today for the Denver Gazette, Jared Polis signed a letter warning that Colorado's economic foundation is deteriorating. He's right, of course. He just left out the part of his own role in causing it over the past seven years. The governor's office insists that signing this letter reflects a commitment to improving the state's business climate. Now, that's a great mission. But in his final months, it's too little, too late. Check on my column in the Denver Gazette. You cannot make this stuff up. Denver Gazette.com. Jared Polis is anti-business. Just ask Jared Polis. He's telling on himself, folks, I like to see it, but I also scratch my head going, really? Kind of strange. Playing both sides. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger. One more segment up ahead to round out the week with Tina Kotek. I'm in for Ross Kaminsky on K-A. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. Bad man is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shemio Osia. Descend on the nation's capital to fight for gold. Thad, the silverback jeans. Silverback nation makes them noise. versus Shamil Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Entertain clients, reward employees, or enjoy a first-class race weekend with VIR's premium MSA hospitality experiences. August 21st through 23rd, enjoy exclusive viewing areas, premium amenities, food and beverage options, and access that puts you close to the action. Whether for business or pleasure, elevate your weekend at Virginia International Raceway. Explore and upgrade your tickets at VIRVIP.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our war fighters, delivers mission-ready intelligence, advances life-saving healthcare, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. A blues man came to town on the keys in that song.

A man by the name of Mike Emerson. Now, I've had the honor and privilege of sitting in with Tommy Castro's band a few times playing on harmonica. I've interviewed Tommy many times in the radio, including multiple times here on K-O-A, just within the last couple of years. I've got to get him back, though, perhaps before the Greeley Blues Jam when he'll be there on the 5th and 6th of June. Really great guy. Phenomenal people in his band. Well, Mike Emerson recently left Tommy Castro's band as his longtime keyboard player. There's really sad news that Tommy brought to his Facebook page yesterday. Writing this is a tough one. My longtime bandmate and good friend Mike Emerson has left the planet. A man with so much talent, so many friends, his beautiful daughter, Sequoia, along with his music, was his life. I admired him for his talent and for the time he put into being the great player he was. And let me tell you, phenomenal keyboard player. Jamming with him was a real privilege and treat. He was so passionate about music. He knew so much and loved it so much. I'd like to hear him talk about bands, artists, and songs that he was inspired by The Dead and Los Lobos especially. I'm having such a hard time believing this is true. This sucks. And yes, it does. Great guy, tremendous player. Mike Emerson has passed away. May he rest in peace. Really sad news. Well, that is it for this week. And Gina Gondack. In more happy news for you at least, you're taking a couple of days off on Monday and Tuesday. I will be off. I'm going to travel back to Jacksonville, Florida for a couple of days. I haven't been there since I moved. So I'll be seeing some old friends and hang out. And it's funny to go back to vacation at a place you used to live. It's going to feel of very, very odd. But it'll be fun. So I'll be off for the next couple of days. Kenan Dixon will be filling in. Which means you've got the B team of Jimmy Sangenberger for Ross Kivinsky and Keenan Dixon for Tina Kotek. Now, Keenan does a great job. I think I do too, but you know. You both do a great job. There's no B team. There you go. Just a different team. Safe travels and have a great job. Great time. Thank you. Absolutely. Well, I'll be back all next week, filling in for Ross as he gallivance around Europe. Great to be with you. So far this week. Have a great weekend. And as always, may God bless America. Saturday, July 25th. I know I will be the best walk away in the world. An undefeated phenom. That man is a rising star. And a frightening force. What a win for Shabil Messiah. Descend on the nation's capital. to fight for gold. Thad, the Silverback Gene. Silverback Nation makes some noise. Versus Chameel Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL well-to-weight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN.

Got plans this summer? A brewery crawl? Another lake trip? The same festival you've been to three times already? Do something different. This August, Virginia International Raceway becomes the ultimate summer destination. Watch Inns' Michelin GT Challenge at VIR. August 21 through 23rd brings some of the fastest sports cars to battle through VIR's legendary corners. Camp with friends. Enjoy live music and experience a weekend you'll actually be talking about afterward. Start planning now at govir.net. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving health care, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT behind America's invisible advantage. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market.