LIVE On Sunday Night with Bill Cunningham 6/22/2026

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And commercial traffic through the Straits of Hamoos has fallen now. According to Donald Trump and others, it's picked up. I watched the Secretary of Energy this morning in some of the talk shows saying there's about 80 tankers that have come and gone. And Iran said that isn't true. I believe us more than I believe them. We're not homicidal, suicidal maniacs. And as a consequence, I don't know, sitting here at 10, 10 p.m. Eastern time, what is happening? We have no idea other than talk, talk, talk for the next 60 days. Last point I would make is this. All the Democrats are lined up against this deal. Everyone, not one, other than John Fetterman. He doesn't count. He's about to lose his seat in two years anyway. So all the Democrats are against the president. You have the 20% of Republicans to the right of Donald Trump. And I may be in that category who believed six or seven weeks ago we should not stop bombing. Then you got 20% on the other side who says we shouldn't have been there in the first place. Those are other conservatives that say, why did we do this at all? Having buried the nuclear visible materials under a mountain, just leave. That's it. You're on your own. We'll come back to cut the grass if you do it again. Now, that's 20% of Republicans. Shouldn't have done it in the first place. The other 20% of the other side say, We should have obliterated them to begin with, and we didn't. Then this is about 50% of the middle of Republicans that stand with the president no matter what he does. And I get that. Think of the alternative of Kamala Harris in the White House for God's sakes. And so, yes, whatever Trump's doing is a thousand percent better than what Nancy Pelosi, she has fewer brain cells than Joe Biden at this point. She drinks too much. and that we're in this never, never land in the next 60 days, which will get us toward the middle of August. And at some point, I think Donald Trump's going to pull the plug and go back to war, which he never should have stopped in the first place, in my opinion. I'm with the great one, Mark Levin. But he stopped because he was told by the Pakistani ambassador, the prime minister, that stopped bombing after about five weeks and Iran wants a deal. You send over the VP, send over Steve Witkoff, send over the son-in-law, and away we go, right? Jared Kushner sent them all. You might recall coming out of that meeting. After about 10 hours and, quote, negotiations, JD Vance looked like he lost his dog. He had that look in his eye. When he came out, I said it's over. And they refused to negotiate because those negotiating had no power and they couldn't communicate with Tehran. And the leadership and Tayrod, whoever the hell they are thought if we communicate, the Americans and Mossad is going to know where we are, we're going to get killed. So they went there with no power to do anything and went back. At that point that Donald should have pushed the button, we're back at war, and away we go until they finally say, you know what, we can't take this anymore. Where do we go and sign unconditionally? That didn't happen. We've gone through the last six or seven weeks of up, down, in the straight, got to charge a fee, got to not charge a fee.

We're boarding ships, we're blowing up propellers, and here we are six, seven weeks later, and no better a position than we were six or seven weeks ago. So, according to the 60-day roadmap toward a final deal, there's no diplomatic breakthrough because the Iranians think they haven't lost. Because from their perspective, if they're alive and they're part of this 12th Imam arising out of a cave in Ome, which will signal the end of the world, the more Christians, Muslims, and Jews, they kill the better place they get in heaven. Instead of 72 virgins, they might have 116 virgins. So they're not incentivized to settle anything because they want to be killed for the cause. They want to strap themselves to a missile and blow somebody up. How do you negotiate with someone like that? Answer is, you can't because they want to die. And I would hope Donald Trump would arrange more meetings with the Almighty to see if they're correct or not. So. As we sit here and never, never land, not sure what's happening. I assume right now it's about 6 a.m. I'm sorry, 7 a.m. in Switzerland, I assume they're not sitting around the table for like 20 hours consecutively talking because those in the meeting in Lucerne from the Iranian side do not have the capability of agreeing to anything because they can't communicate with their leadership in Tehran. They don't know what they're doing. So even if they say something, so what? You know, the deal is on, the deal is off. The straits are open. The straits are not open. Taking a southern route, a northern route. And at this point, I don't know. I know one thing. The deal does not include Israel and the Hezbollah. They're not signatories to the deal. So whenever Iran wants to trump the deal and get rid of it, what they've got to do is tell Hezbollah to send more missiles, do something toward Israel. including killing four tankers, IDF soldiers in a tank and injured five others. They simply continue to murder and kill Israeli soldiers and civilians, which naturally recalls Israel to respond to Hezbollah, and that gives an excuse to Iran to back out of everything. And of course, Hezbollah, who doesn't care about Muslim lives whatsoever, will shoot their missiles and drones. from apartment buildings, from hospitals, and from schools. Knowing the response from Israel is going to kill those in the school of the hospital, and therefore it's another war crime. We're in this never-ending loop that we can't get out of until we win. America does not win wars anymore. We compete, and then we settle. Taco is a big phrase now among the radical left in this country. Trump always chickens out. And they see what's happening now, what happened six weeks ago, of Trump chickening out again, not pressing the military advantage.

So the Gulf allies are in a terrible position. Every now and then there are drones sent to UAE or Bahrain, Bahrain, or to Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And their ability to produce a lot of oil quickly is right in the tank. That's going to take months to resolve. So until the Iranian leadership says, we can't take it anymore, we're in a bad condition, we don't want to fight anymore, where do we go and sign a piece of paper that says the war is over, and America, you can do whatever you want. Then we have a victory. The last time that happened, I think. was a World War II, the last time we won anything. You can talk about the Persian Gulf War number one. That gave birth to Persian Gulf War number two, which gave birth to Iraq, gave birth to Afghanistan and Syria, and here we are. We don't win wars. We simply compete. And I had hoped the president would have won this war decisively, beginning February the 28th, stopping April the 10th. Here we are two months plus down the road. We're no different now than we were then. In fact, in a sense, Iran has the ability to regroup and maybe fire more missiles. Why not win a war, which we don't do anymore? We simply compete. So there's three branches of republicanism. Forget about the Democrats. They're lost. One branch says, we shouldn't have done this in the first place. It's against the campaign promises of Donald Trump. No more foreign wars, especially in the Middle East. That group said, don't do it. On the other side are people like me. Having done it, we have to win the war. There was reasons to go to war. It made sense. Why did we stop? We stopped on the outskirts of Berlin and didn't go in. Why would you do that? Somebody talked Donald Trump into doing this. I don't know. Was it Steve Witkoff? I don't know. Was it Jared Kushner? I don't know. But why not win the war? Now we're back in the middle. About half Republicans say they support the president, whatever he does. And at this point... Many say, not including me, that the midterms are done, the president's not going to start a war in the middle of August or September. It's going to destroy any chance the Republican Party has. Right now, I tell you, I've filled up my tank at United Dairy Farmers in Cincinnati. It was $3.19 a gallon. And I'm told it's going to go up. And it got the $5 a gallon, now down to $3.19, that's like what, about a 40% reduction. And so at some point, we have to urinate or get off the pot. We can't let this go on negotiations after negotiations. Day after day, week after week, month after month, the president said no more foreign wars, no more Middle Eastern wars. Now he's saying we're in the Middle East, we're going to stay in the Middle East, and we're going to play by the rules of the Revolutionary Guard when it comes to negotiating. How in the world can you negotiate?

with mass murderers, the Revolutionary Guard. These are killers. And you negotiate with them. What are you negotiating? Well, I'm not sure. Tonight, the president put out something on social media that has caused the diplomatic talks to end. You want a diplomatic solution. But having spent all this time and treasure at like $130 billion, are we better off today than we would have been February the 27th? Yes. Iran's going to take decades to recover, but they have the ability to shut down the straight whenever they want. We can't have that. Let's continue. I want to get your calls at 866-647-7337. Once again, Democrats say taco. Trump always chickens out. And here we are with Steve Witkoff and with J.D. over there negotiating and talking with mass murderers. about what they will accept. How's it an unconditional surrender if you're negotiating with the enemy, who have killed us for the last 47 years? How's that unconditional? What are they talking about? Fact of the matter is, are they going to open the straight, never seek nuclear ambitions at any point in the future, and if there's $300 billion, I'm with Jack King General on this one. Where's that money coming from? Allegedly Gulf states. Why on God's Green Earth would the Gulf states give Iran $300 billion, I guess, of their money? And right now they're hurting big time. They don't even sponsor Neil Goff anymore. They're hurting. They're going to get back to normal. They have domestic problems in those six Gulf states. And they're going to give $300 billion to the Nazi regime in Tehran. Why would they do that? Well, how will that money be used? It's going to be used to kill them. That is a stupid idea. It's not our money. But I guess we're going to, quote, facilitate loans or grants from others to rebuild Iran. What? Have they indicated at this point they're going to give up nuclear ambitions? stand down their army navy which doesn't exist open up the straits have they indicated that oh we've lost you no they act as if they won when we won i think we did we win i think we did so why not tell them what the requirements are sign it or else we continue to degrade their society why not do that now let's continue Line becomes available 866-647-7337. I'm all upset. Bill Cunningham, the Great American, with you every Sunday night. You know, my friend, Sean Hannity, if he was a woman, I kiss him right on the lips. I love that guy. Nonetheless, let's continue with more. A friendly senator told me there's a backup plan. I said, Senator, what is it? He said, of all else fails, that America is going to seize the Straits of Hormuz. We're going to seize the straits. I said, what the hell does that mean? We're going to seize it. So the Navy will be there for months or years to come charging a toll or a fee to come and go. I said, what?

He said, if Trump is going to take over the strait by force, control it, and we're going to charge a fee for those who come and go through operations, and with our friends, there'll be no fees, and for the enemies, there are going to be fees. And I said, what? We're going to seize the straits or her moves in charge a fee. I thought it was an open waterway. I think it's illegal to do that, right? That's the point we're telling to Iran. You can't charge a fee or a toll for ships to go there. That's against maritime law. You can't do that. But it's okay if we do it? What? And so when you sit down with the Revolutionary Guard. whose goal is not to have a functional life, whose goal it is to kill their own people, whose goal there is to kill Muslims in large numbers who don't believe in the God that you believe in, and your goal is to kill Jews and Christians and everyone else. It is a death cult to sit down with them, to hug them, shake their hand, and then to believe anything they say to me is an intifada. It doesn't make any sense at all. And our friends in the Gulf states at some point, those are the six Gulf states, you know, the UAE and Saudi Arabia, et cetera, and Oman is going to say at some point, we can't live like this. The only thing we have, the only industry we have is the selling of oil. We haven't sold oil now for the last five months. We're hurting financially. We got to get a solution of this. And the only ones that hate the Iranians more than us are the residents of those states, the Gulf states. They want nothing to do with them, nor to Syria or Pakistan. Iran is isolated. They have no armed forces. And there's, according to Jack Keene, the great general on Fox, there's about 600 targets yet to hit. In addition to the 3,000 already destroyed. And they're rebuilding those 3,000. And at some point, you've got to say, you know what, we're going to press this war until we win with unconditional surrender. It is not unconditional surrender when the opponent, the enemy, your adversary, flies to Lecern, Switzerland, and talks about the demands of the Iranian government. That's not unconditional surrender. That is some sort of negotiation to end a war, which has never worked successfully in American history. We don't do that. After World War II, there were no negotiations with the Nazis. How do we end the war? We won, you lost. Should have happened that way back in April when Trump stopped bombing. I'm with the great one Mark Levin and Jack Keene. Should have continued until they said, we can't take it anymore. Stop. And we didn't. Now we're in this cycle, this loop on negotiating with murderers about who they're going to murder next. And I don't like it. Now, let's continue. Coming up later, we have a couple guests about America's birthday, and also the great Kevin Jackson and Jeff Creweer and more. The line becomes available. 866 647-7337. There is no substitute for victory, and it's not unconditional if the other side has demands. Go Cunningham with you every Sunday. Thank you.

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My Father's Day story, which I think I get thousands of responses, positive ones on this. I don't think I did it last year on Father's Day. I'm going to do it tonight. If magically all the enemies of Israel were disarmed, Hezbollah, Amos, Iran, guess what? There would be peace. If on the other hand, Israel was disarmed. they would be obliterated, and they wouldn't exist. Israel responds to what Hezbollah does to kill them, as we would do. And if the enemies of Israel put down their arms, there's going to be peace. If Israel puts down their arms, they will be obliterated. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Now, The person you're listening to now is not the person, shall I say, growing up as someone that did not have difficulties and problems in my life. And mainly they were occasioned by the fact that my father was a virulent alcoholic who spent time in jail and married to my lovely, saintly mother. She never weighed 95 pounds in her whole life. Four children. I was number two of four. and he was a World War II veteran, came home when the war, got married, started having babies, very popular at the time, and I was one of those babies. And so we grew up, he was my coach, I like to think my best friend, he named me after him, and I was close to my dad, as I think many boys are. But I could recognize when I was 10, 11, 12 years old that maybe things weren't normal. My father often would not come home. I heard yelling and screaming. My father, I knew, was vacant for weeks at a time. I found out later he was in jail for various DUI type offenses. And fighting and arguing, disorderly conduct, etc., I'm sure DUI spent time in the jails of Ohio for his misbehavior. At some point, I was 11, 12 years old. My sainted mother sat his four down and said to us, your dad is gone. He's not coming back. And I said, well, what happened? She said, I don't know all the circumstances, but we're alone. It's me and you four. So we got problems. I said, Mom, I remember saying, I'm only 11, 12. What do you mean problems? Well, we have no money. And we're upside down on mortgages. We're going to move in with the relative. Her name was Annette Arlinghouse who worked at Procter & Gamble, known as Procter and God. And so we found ourselves, my mom and four siblings of which I was one of four, living with her sister and her other sister and their mother. There was eight people in one house with three bedrooms and two baths. And life was in a paper bag. And I was extremely angry, bitter at the fact that my father would leave my mother in that situation my mom had never worked outside the home she took a job making a dollar 25 an hour for married hot shops she worked 50 hours a week and so largely uh we had serious financial problems that i knew nothing about i know one thing i was angry and bitter at my dad living with relatives wasn't always the easiest thing

And I was told by a teacher when my mother went for a student conference about me that makes sure Billy doesn't get a job in life that he has to talk a lot. And mom said, I think I know why. And it was because I had a terrible stutter. And I'm sure I had the stutter because of my anger repressed about my dad and the injury and pain that it caused the mother that I love so dearly and the rest of my brothers and sisters. But you know what you do? I never wanted for a meal. It wasn't always the best. I never wanted for clothing. And I went to high school, went to college, went to law school, and I lived my life. Not one time did my dad, in all those years and decades, ever send a card, a note, a gift, and acknowledgement. Nothing. I led the city of scoring and basketball, first team, all of that, got in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Not, no connection. Zero, Zilchnata. For 15 or 18 years. One morning, the phone rings. You might recall there were phones on the wall at the time. And I picked it up, and the voice was, Billy, this is your dad. I said, what? Who's this? I'm your father. I said, wait a minute. Tell me who was your assistant coach for Rutter's Pharmacy. He had the right name. Well, tell me the name of your third child, right name. I said, what do you want? And at this point, I'm getting out of law school and I think doing fairly well. I said, what do you want? He said, Billy, I want to see you. I said, why? He said, I'm dying of cancer. I have liver and kidney cancer. I'm not going to make it. And I said, Let me have your number. I'll call you back. My wife's standing there, my little boy running around. I said, you can't believe we just called me. My dad, she said, your dad. Where's he been? I said, I don't know where he's been. So I called mom quickly, and I said, Mom, you can't believe we just called me. She said, your dad, right? I said, yeah. I gave him your number. I said, really? I said, okay, I thought about it. I'll call him back. I called him back. And he told me that he left Cincinnati. He went to Illinois, started a new life, got over his drinking, he said, and he wants to reconnect with the family because he's dying. I said, Dad, you were not a father to me in my life. I will not be a son to you and your death. I wish you well, but I'm not coming to see you. And then I hung up the phone. I felt good about it. I got some hatred, little acid out of my soul for what he did to me, mainly for my mother. Then about two more months go by. Phone rins again. In those days, we didn't have something called, we didn't have caller ID. You picked up the phone. I picked it up, and it was him again, but it was in a weak voice. And he said, they're telling me, Billy, I have about a week to live. Please come and see me. I said, once again, dad. You got to live where you are. You cause great pain. Hung up. Goodbye. And I felt good about it. I found out later he died. About three weeks later, I got a note from my mom. Your father's died. I said, I shouldn't have. I said good. Years roll by again.

And I opened up a string of sports bars called Willie's. That's me, Willie, my nickname, Willie's Sports Cafe. Had four or five, sold him, made a few bucks, had a great experience. And I'm there one afternoon watching it. It was a Bengal Browns game. And this old guy taps me in the shoulder and said, Bill, can I see you? I said, sure. He said, it's important. I said, all right, what is it? And when I'm in the public, I get that quite often. We go off to a table off to the side. It was crowded and it was loud. I said, let's go into the office. I go in the office, shut the door. He said, I want you to know something. He gave me his name, shook his hand. He said, I was your dad's best friend. I said, what? You're my father's best friend while he was in Cincinnati. Then he went out to Illinois. And he wanted you to know something. He talked to me each time when you wouldn't see him. And he felt terrible for what he had done to you and to the family. But he wanted you to know why he did it. And he wanted to apologize to you. I said, well, why did he do it? He said, you know he served in the Marines. I said, yes. Guadalcanal, the Solomon Islands, he was in China, ready to part of the force to invade Japan, didn't get home for a year and a half after the war ended because there was so much work to do. I said, okay. And he said, one of his missions in the Guado Canal and Solomon's, What was to hit the beaches, and then he was part of the crew that had to clean up the beaches each night with rubber bags. But that I mean his friends that he was one very close to were killed, parts of their bodies. He was part of the crew. They couldn't allow the dead and the wound to lay there. The Marines themselves would have thousands of bags, and your dead, in addition to fighting the enemy, would put his friends in body bags. to be taken out to ships the next day. And sometimes it took four or five days before you picked up bodies. And you can imagine the condition of the bodies. And he had severe mental problems. It's now called PTSD or shell-shocked. And at that point, U.S. Marines in 1945 were not shell-shocked. They said, well, just get over it. Well, your dad didn't get over it. And they came back after a year and a half, had terrible nightmares, screaming and hollering. He used medicine. He used alcohol as medicine. That was his way of forgetting about what he had to do in the Guadalcanal and also the Solomon's. And he wanted to apologize to you, and he wanted to tell you not an excuse, but as a reason why he left the family and left you in that condition. And he also gave me a letter, which I still have, and which a letter from my dad to him that he gave to me. And when that happened, I felt low. I felt lower than whale dung. I thought, why didn't I go?

and listened to my father as to not reasons but excuses to why he became a raging alcoholic because of his service to the nation. Many Marines came back and did not become alcoholics. Many Marines came back and were not abusive to their wife. Many Marines came back from war and didn't go to prison. Well, my dad did and he couldn't handle it. And he knew what a failure he was and he wanted to leave. knowing he couldn't if he stayed he would cause more damage to the family and he wanted to apologize so i said okay uh i i went to a roman catholic priest uh i confessed my sin and not going to him and his hour of need you know what a great patriot i think i am i have great respect for the american soldier And if I had to do it all over again, I would have gone the first time. I certainly would have gone the second time and sat and listened to him and saw him as he died. So I say to you tonight, there are probably millions or thousands of you in a similar situation where you are contrary with your dad. Daughters, sons, grandchildren, the father probably had done something wrong. And in the living years, I would not let a moment pass before you seek the understanding you have of a father who's left you, who's hurt you, has caused damage to you and to your family, grandchildren. And that if there's an offer of the father today or tomorrow to reconnect. To try again a relationship. Don't do what I did. I was angry. I was angry 20 years later for what he did. But during the living years, you've got to connect and give that father one more chance to say, I'm sorry. I say, I apologize. I say, you know what, I shouldn't have done what I did, and I'm sorry. Because if that had happened... He would have known he had grandchildren. I would have accepted his sincere apology because the Christ on the cross, with his ankles nailed to the upright beam, beaten half to death and skinned alive with crowns of thorn, forgave the centurions who murdered him. If the Christ can do that, you can certainly forgive your father. And I could certainly have forgiven my dad for what he did to me and to my family. So when I find a time on Father's Day, I will do it tonight before I close my eyes. I hope not for the final time. I will ask forgiveness of him. and of the Christ for the mistake I made in my life, for not going to him because he couldn't travel to me to hear why he did it. Now I know. I know why he did it now. And that unconnection will in a sense haunt me until my final day. But one thing it did cause, in my heart and in my soul, I knew when I had a boy.

I would do my best to raise him better than my father raised me. I told him early on. I may have many problems in my life, but drugs and alcohol will not be one of them. I'm not going to do that. I saw the effects of alcoholism, and I don't drink, and I don't smoke. And the last 15 to 20 years, I have a deep relationship with the Christ. And I've asked forgiveness and I think I've received it. Because he wanted me to offer him solace. He wanted me to say to him, I forgive you. And maybe it would have given him a little more peace in his final moments of life. And I did not do that. And I'm sorry. Don't do what I did. It isn't too late in the western time zone and the mountain time zone and tomorrow. Make the first call to your dad and say, Dad, during the living years, I want to know my feelings toward you. And if you want to offer an apology to me, I will accept it. Let's get together, begin a relationship from this day forward. Say if sorrow, if apologies, if forgiveness must be given, be first in line to say, I accept your apology and forgive those that have hurt you. Forgive my trespasses as I forgive those who have trespassed against me. I cannot receive forgiveness unless I give it. And in a critical part of my life, I did not give forgiveness. And I'm haunted by it and don't do what I did. Forgive your father. And if you've got to make two or three calls, do it. Take the extra step. If he reaches back to you, please reach to him and say, let's get together and let's talk. Find out why these things happen. I assume he's in heaven above. I pray he is. If I'm earned right to walk into heaven with him, I want to sit down with him and listen and say, I accept your apology, and I'm sorry for what I did. Let's continue. The line becomes available. 513. The line becomes available. 866 647. 7337. Bill Cunningham with you. Every Sunday. You can listen as well as you hear. So don't do what I did, do something better.

A little bit of a news story breaking tonight is that U.S. and Iranian negotiators meeting in Switzerland tonight say dispute is arising as far as how the $6 billion quickly given to Iran out of Qatar will be, how will it be used? And Qatar, I guess, is holding $6 billion of Iranian money. And Qatar wants to quickly give it to Iran. But the Trumps are saying, no, how are you going to use the money? Because if you use the money to rebuild your military or to kill more Jews, guess what? And Christians, don't do that. And so that's the major conflict tonight. Of course, this morning is early morning in Lucerne, Switzerland. So that's going to be a problem. Let's set up for us of tonight's big show. Coming up later on, we'll be Kevin Jackson of the Blacksphere about what's happening in race relations. You know, on June 10th, on Friday, there were dozens of American cities that had massive lawlessness conducted in downtown areas. So he's going to address himself to that. Plus later on is Scott Jerome Powell, we're discovering America, 250th anniversary coming up. And also Jeff Creweir from New Orleans about he's got a great column up at townhall.com about. why Tulsi Gabbard story is not being, shall we say, covered. Headline is Tulsi Gabbard makes a grand exit, lays it out how COVID-19 was created because of the money that you and I give to the Wuhan lab, so American taxpayers paid for the creation of COVID-19. And now we pay for the fallout with a million dead Americans and 25 million around the world are dead. Hundreds of thousands are disabled. And as a consequence, where do we go now? Let's continue with more. And thanks for listening tonight. And we're going to deal with all these issues tonight and next Sunday night also. Bill Cunningham, the Great American, with you every Sunday night.

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overwhelmingly black people in America see Carmelo Anthony for what he was. He's one of these kids that thinks that his blackness gets him privilege everywhere. And I've seen videos of this kid standing in front of a woman's house, not wanting to move. There's multiple videos of him being a jerk, and that's what he was. And he got himself arrested and sent to prison because he's a jerk. The overwhelming number of black people in this country seeing for exactly that. What we're witnessing is exactly what we witness with the Al Sharpton's and the D. Ray McKessons and all these other guys where they take a very small section of black America and they say, looky, looky, we can sell you on the nonsense that black folks see this the way we want them to see it. And it is the cruel joke of white enabling leftism. to want to make Americans believe that black folks give a crap about this kid who got himself in trouble. We don't care. And I find it particularly funny that we're talking about this, but we're not talking about the first African-American trillionaire, Billy. That's what we should be talking about, right? You know, we've glossed over this. We've glossed over, you know, President Trump's, you know, deal where he brought these gladiators to the White House, and we've got these... amazing accomplishment in the first African-American trillionaire, which we should be touting. And using that as the backdrop, understand this. We are not celebrating a trillionaire, the fact that the very first one in the history of mankind outside of King Solomon, and he was a king, so he doesn't count, has been made in America, that we can build somebody. He can build corporations and companies and empower other people, making other millionaires and billionaires, not to get all Bernie Sanders on you, but the millionaires and the billionaires, and he's the first trillionaire, and this guy, nobody wants to celebrate that. They want to decry it, you know? Now, ask yourself this, if Austin Metcalf were black and Carmel and Anthony were white, we know what would be happening. If Elon Musk were actually had a little more melanin in his skin. or if he were a Democrat, what would they be saying about that African-American then? This is the stuff that I got to tell you, Billy, you got to love this. Everybody is seeing this dichotomy. Look at what this dude in California, Spencer Pratt has done to expose that ruse down there. Look at what Graham Platner has done to expose, you know, the Democrats have themselves a bona fide Nazi. Look at what's happening in race relations in this country to where we go from O.J. Simpson getting away with murder to Carlisle Anthony, actually getting convicted. A decade ago, they'd be building his statue right now, and he'd be probably buying a yacht. We finally got it right, not completely right, because they let this kid.

get all that money that his parents are buying houses with, but who knows what's going to be the fallout of that? We got it right because racism is finally being tackled in this country. Donald Trump can talk about big, fat, black, leftist women like Fani Willis and Letitia James and say it to their faces and still get elected. And so can other people. We can talk about these witches. Look at what the guy did last night talking about Michelle Obama's a man, baby, when he left to rain. I mean, we are finally getting permission again to speak in this country about these issues because the left have taken it to the level of extreme that it's okay. They wanted you to believe it's okay for a black guy quoting Jasmine Crockett and Sonny Hostens and these other freaks over there. It's okay for this black dude to kill a white kid because they ask him to leave their tent. 15 times and never threatened him, but he decided he was going to take action because he was afraid. All of it is a lie. That's what we've exposed. Kevin Jackson, I often say the face of crime in urban America is a young black male face, but the great majority of young black males do not commit crime. I see this story about Carmelo Anthony. I don't know if it's true. It says in these stories out of Dallas. He was in a stable two-parent household. I don't know about that. Captain of his high school track and football team. Allegedly, it said on this story, he worked two part-time jobs. He was at 3.75 almost straight a student, allegedly had not committed crimes before been arrested. So on paper, this is the kind of kid that would not involve himself in these forms of intimidation and murder. But on the other hand, is there, in a sense, a sickness? in black subculture in contemporary america that too many young black males whether it's cincinnati or chicago etc are immersed in an ideology that in a sense glorifies violence, that preaches you've got to be the meanest dude on the block and that dictates any perceived threat from anyone, quote, step up to me and find out, unquote. It's construed as a wildly disproportionate response. So you push me, I take a knife and jab you through your chest into your heart, you push up against me in a subway, I punch you in the face. It's like black privilege. and did you see how many or say how did this kid do it i've seen i saw the same videos you saw had a little bit of a chip on his shoulder a bit of an attitude but on paper it didn't look like a murderer which clearly he was And I would also say if the same case was tried in the city of Chicago or D.C., there's no way he would have been convicted of murder, which is what he'd done. So is there a sickness or a subculture in urban black America in the minds of these black kids that cause them to do what so many do?

Well, let's talk about the resume, first of all. If you believe the resume, there's an old saying a man never gets as good as his resume. And look at the Democrats in Congress. Look at these people. Look at the resumes. Look at the fake resumes coming out of India, the 100,000 resumes of these resume factories where they give you the credentials. Look at what we think of now when we hear about somebody that went to Harvard or whatever. It's all fake. So the idea that this was some good kid who was, you know, look at one of my sons. Let me put it this way. Any one of my sons, there's no story there. They ask him to leave and say, very sorry, I'll go over here. No problem. It's the same thing with Michael Brown Jr. You know, if the cop says, hey, are you involved with this? Yeah, no problem. Here's what I did. You know, if you're getting arrested, no problem. You know, I'll call my attorney. I'll call my dad. I'm getting out of this here to rag me up. No problem. The problem is we've got a culture. Look at the videos, man. Go look at your X-feed and see how many women are getting their weaves pulled out because they got mad that they couldn't use their snap card to buy, you know, a bunch of candy at a store or something stupid. It's become ridiculous to watch what's happening in the black community. And I think it's honestly, I think it's these white enabling leftists who want to showcase this side of black culture. to make people, yeah, I don't know, they want to have people believe that we're all ready to blow up. Now, to that point, yes, as a kid raised in the 60s, I was raised volatile. I was raised so you better be able to fight. Don't be no punk. Right. You know, don't, you know, the whole deal. And I tell people all the time, I made all my kids black belts because of my misspent youth in the sense of having to fight for everything or the perception of fighting. My kids. For my four sons, they may fight five times their whole lives between them because I prepared them and because they've kicked enough butt early on for people to go leave those boys alone. They may never have to fight again. And I pray to God my grandchildren, never have to grow up and enter a dojo or train special forces like I did. But let me tell you, you do grow up with a chip on your shoulder that you better be ready. But you know what, Billy, you're not getting ready for white folks. You're getting ready for black folks. You're concerned because if you send your kids to school and they're smart and somebody finds out that your kid makes A's, they're going to get picked on. If you find out that somebody's got an entrepreneurial spirit and wants to start a business, he's probably going to get beat up. You are protecting yourself from your own people. I never trained because I thought some white guy was going to do something to me. I trained in the martial arts for five plus decades because I was concerned about what somebody would do that look like me. That's why. And we've raised these thugs and these monsters, and the Democrats showcase them because that small percentage of blacks that are committing all these crimes, they want you to see them, and then act as if they're protecting them. I think it's the cruel joke of them saying, look at these silly Negroes. That's the cruel joke of it. And what's happening? I don't speak for white America anymore than you speak for black America. I speak for me. You speak for you, Kevin Jackson. However, if I'm in an area in Cincinnati, we had some terrible riots in Cincinnati, all of which are occasioned by the behavior of young black males, none of whom were held accountable. We had a big music festival about a year ago, and with two, quote, white people had the crap kicked out of them by a mob of about 7 to 10 black folks at 3.30 in the morning. And when that happened at the music festival, we're told by black...

leaders that the white people who are the victims of a terrible assault named Holly and Alex Chavezky, they should be charged with a crime too. And we have a situation now where I use the analogy, if I see, if I have six consecutive incidents of somebody dressed in a Santa Claus outfit committing crime. The next time I see Santa Claus, I'm going to be thinking, am I going to be the victim of a crime? And so when I see young black males in an urban area, I tend to go the other way, go the other direction. If they act up in a restaurant or on a subway in a movie theater or on the streets pushing people around in downtown Cincinnati, I'm not going to confront them. Because I'm thinking I'll become the next victim of what they do. I risk being stabbed to death or shot in the back of the head. And so what's happened in urban America is that there's an emptying out of productive economic activity in urban areas because of the overwhelming incidents of crime in Cincinnati, shot spotter. We have 20,000 shots fired in the city of Cincinnati. We have a police department on a constant scrutiny because too many black people are getting arrested. We have some cop who actually arrest black people. Now, he's held up to public ridicule. And so if a young black male or females are acting up now than ever before, act up. Do you confront them and say, don't do that? Or you quietly quit? You quietly just move away. I'm going to give you my real example. My real life example is when I lived in St. Louis and I was walking down the hill with my dog. And there was four black teens. And I lived in the inner city. And they were coming at me. And I looked dead in their faces. And I would with my little pit bull, but who, by the way, would have licked them to death. And I looked dead at them and said, with a look in my eye, I dare you. And they crossed the street. Because they looked at me and said, that Negro don't play right there. Okay? That's number one. But I want to talk about Santa. Come on, Billy. You would beat up Santa. If Santa was beating up everybody. You'd beat one of them up. The hell I would. I'd go. At this point, maybe you'd, if I see all these Santa Claus is committing crime, I'm thinking I'm avoiding Santa Claus. If I see thousands of black youth taking over cities wilding in the streets, hell, I'm avoiding black males. I'm thinking, I'm not stupid. I get it. people are doing it, but I'm going to tell you this, Santa would get a beat down if he came to me, and people would get, look at that dude, the black dude being up Santa Claus. But that's what would happen with me, but I'm a radical. I'm telling you right now, I'm a total radical. But look, to answer your question, yes, you'd be crazy not to do the avoidance, but here's my, the bigger issue is we have to start forcing these municipalities to enforce the laws. And I was in Cleveland, up in your neck of the woods.

I had cops tell me, Kevin, the black man, you practically have to make me arrest you. Right. And what he's saying is you could be smoking dope. You could be running women. Right. You know, unless you do something really stupid, I'm not going to arrest you. Really? That's the way we're going to deal with crime in the black community. And you think you're going to solve it? That's ridiculous. So we've got an opportunity now, especially with the first black. First African-American trillion here. We've got an opportunity now to show the world who we really are. And I'm going to tell you, the world is looking. It's watching Donald Trump in that spectacle, the amazing spectacle at the White House. It's watching Elon Musk, a man who is making people walk again. He's going to give your great-grandmother or somebody in your family robots that take care of your posterity. You'll never need another health care worker. Some optimist is going to do it. They're going to pick up your person that can't drive. It gets to be 80, 90 years old is going to have their own car. They call it up. It's going to drive them. Take them to where they go. The robot's going to do their shopping. It's going to protect them. The whole deal. This is what this guy is doing. And they're decrying him. while they want to give Carmelo Anthony some kind of props because he killed a white kid and attract me. This is the craziness of the world that we live in now. It's the George Floyd moment where they have statutes a drug addict who died of heart disease to make it a terrible event and not celebrating people like Clarence Thomas and people like you. We've got to run Kevin Jackson. I don't know what happened in the communication, but if Santa Claus is dressed up or committing all these crimes, I'm looking at Santa Santa. I'm avoiding that. Bearing that guy right there. I'm not, I don't walk around with a pit bull like you do. Hell. My pit bull wasn't my protection. I was protecting him. Eyeball to eyeball. You're with Kevin Jackson. Holy moly. I'm thinking, well, the black community must heal itself. And if that doesn't happen, we're more reparations through the. court system nobody goes to jail so uh now let's do kevin you're the best but uh kevin jackson network dot combe thanks for coming on the bill cunningham show and kevin you're a great american thank you take care billy god bless you all right let's continue can you smell when i'm cooking how in the world that we live in a system where liberal judges in urban areas like in Cincinnati all the time, free individuals because of their color of their skin. How does that happen? Bill Cunningham, the Great American, live with you every Sunday night.

I'm Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Kevin Jackson makes as much sense as anyone can when it comes to race relations and conservative issues. I just pray to God at some point the liberals, white, black, and otherwise in the major cities, understand they don't have to live like this. There's going to be another big primary day after tomorrow on Tuesday in New York City in which they're likely to pick communist and socialist to run parts of New York City and also the congressional seats. And if we're going that route much longer, the cities will hollow out. Most of American cities are like donuts, and the hole in the middle is a big hole. And around the suburbs, there's function taking place. But Kevin Jackson points out that we can't live long like that. So let's continue with more. Coming up next is the great Scott Jerome Powell. He's with Discovery, so much more, Rediscovering America, about how the 250th anniversary relates to the founding fund. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday, No. Got plans this summer? A brewery crawl? Another lake trip? The same festival you've been to three times already? Do something different. This August, Virginia International Raceway becomes the ultimate summer destination. Watch Innsa's Michelin GT Challenge at VIR. August 21 through 23rd brings some of the fastest sports cars to battle through VIR's legendary corners. Camp with friends. Enjoy live music and experience a weekend you'll actually be talking about afterward. Start planning now at govir.net. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods, and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer, an in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need. So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. Vital doesn't always mean visible. Across America, advanced technology is working behind the scenes, strengthening our nation. It protects our warfighters, advances life-saving healthcare, combat cyber threats, and defends the critical infrastructure that keeps our country moving. At GDIT, we power the systems that help America operate, connect, and stay secure. Every hour, every mission, every day. GDIT, behind America's invisible advantage. What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up y'all? It's your girl, Sam J. And we're the host of everyone watches women's sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart Women's Sports. Because let's be real. Women's sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days. So Kelsey Finler, she became the first female solo rower to go from California to Hawaii. My first thought is like, what's up with the snacks? Like, what are we eating? The highlights, the rivalries, the breakout stars, the moments that take over your entire time.

timeline. In the conversations that start during the game and somehow keep going all week. Every week, we're breaking down the biggest stories across women's sports. Naomi Osaka showing out, she beat Sabalinka. Shoutouts to you, Naomi. You get the palm, Naomi. You get the palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened. We're interested in why everyone's talking about it. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to everyone watches women's sports on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Bill Cunningham to Great American, of course, America's 250th birthday celebration is coming up soon. And I can only imagine if the founding fathers could be transported, Star Trek, the next generation style, from 1776 to 2026, what they would find. I would note that it was certainly the intention of the Biden-slash-Harris administration two years ago to plan huge celebrations. assuming Kamala Harris was going to be, of course, in the White House or Joe Biden reelected. Thank God, neither one of those two things happened. But there was $50 billion prepared to go out to the cities and states to celebrate certain aspects of America's 250th birthday. It would have been about gay rights, about the environment, about immigrant rights, et cetera. That thing has changed now completely. So a great column was written by my friend Scott Jerome Powell, the American Spectator, America at 250, is at the dollar. or the twilight and scott pal welcome again to the bill cunningham show and first of all give me the things that give you hope and why you think it's a dawn of america and then we'll talk about the twilight why do you believe it's a dawn well we've been in a process as a nation of bottoming out i i would just hope and pray that the american people can really understand uh... that uh... sometimes we have to go through great difficulty in order to turn the corner it's a little bit like you know most all of us have you know known people who have had alcoholic alcoholism or drug addiction and oftentimes they never really turn around until they bottom out so it's been my thought that we've been in a process of bottoming out certainly the Biden administration achieve that but but there's still a lot of work to be done because the our fundamental problem is that we've driven God out of our culture and when that happens there just aren't enough police officers and law enforcement to, you know, to police society. And so we have, you know, we have people kind of oriented around, well, if I can get away with it, I'll do it. Whereas in the old days, you know, when there was, when there was fear of God in people's minds, they'd say, well, no, we don't just want to get away with it. We want to do the right thing. Yeah, in private, and one of the best things a man or woman does. No one is watching. What do you do? And you point out some interesting statistics. Violent crime is decreased by 9.3% murder, robbery, rape, property crime is down. But on the other hand, the crime statistics, you say, don't capture things like riots, disorder, vagrancy, unlawful occupancy, public perception, being unsafe.

And public perception of crime often diverges sharply with a measured out. I have a sense living a good life in middle of America that in my way of thinking, crime has always been low because I don't live in areas where these things take place. But on one hand, factually crime is down, but there's a sense, especially in urban areas, that it's very violent. And the sense of violence doesn't capture and the hard statistics, correct? Absolutely right. But we have to also understand that we are under attack as a nation. We really are. This is a spiritual battle. America was born out of Christian principles. I mean, all 13 colonies were Christian colonies. The people who came to America in the early days. came here for a better life. They wanted to live out their Christian life as they saw fit. And so there was a lot of diversity between the colonies, a lot of different views. But basically, the colonies were founded by Christian people. Our nation was the founding fathers who came years later. Because it was, you know, the founding of the country in terms of colonization was in the 1600s primarily, but it wasn't until, you know, 1776 that we, you know, we said enough of Great Britain, we're, you know, we're going to be free. And the Declaration of Independence was sort of the, you know, the kickoff of that process. The Declaration of Independence came in the first year, really. We had been at war with the British for about a year when the Declaration of Independence was written. And we still had five more years to go after that. So. Yeah, you also point out something rather important, I think, and that is the trust in the federal government. This is a great number you have. Now, in 1964, this is even after the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. assassination, 77% of Americans said we trust the federal government. 77%. It's now the low 20s. I'm surprised it's that high. So what happened to the trust we have in our institutions? Well, that's the issue. You see, when you drive God out of the culture, people begin to live their lives, as I've said, without a moral compass, without, you know, the compass that gives us that true north direction, that we do the right thing when no one's looking. And, you know, we are living out, you know, at a very different kind of... our culture has really been transformed. There used to be a Judeo-Christian culture. That's no longer the case. That doesn't mean that we can't recover it, and I think when enough Americans sort of bottom out and there's enough prayer and repentance among people, you know, I think God's hand can move in a very big way in America. I think they're really ready for a spiritual revival because it's all about our future. It's about our kids.

You know, we want the best for everybody. Yep, everyone does. I'm thinking about, and maybe I've expressed this thought to you before, that assuming Karen Bass, you know, election is an expression of how you feel about the government in your area. And local government, I think, is more important than faraway governments. But Karen Bass is likely to be reelected as the mayor of L.A. Either that or that crazy woman, Ramon, she's to the left of Karen Bass, and there's not much room there. In Chicago, you have Brandon Johnson, who has run that city directly into the ground. It is awful. And he's up for re-election next year. He said he's going to run again. If he doesn't win, there'll be another liberal Democrat that will. In New York City, you've got Zohran Mamdani, for God's sakes. is a communist Hamas supporter, who's the mayor of America's biggest city. Then you got Graham Platner, you have James Talarico. You're at this effort. Our major cities are in serious trouble, and I can't imagine a great nation with major cities in complete collapse. So how do we turn the cities around when the voters don't recognize the problems? Well, the demographics of cities have changed, of course. The, you know, the more conservative people tend to live in the suburbs, not the cities. And so the cities have attracted a lot of, you know, Democrat-oriented, you know, crazy people, people that... really are just not grounded in moral values. It's, you know, they make up life as they go along. And they're very vulnerable to being, you know, they're vulnerable to be influenced and captured by charlatans. Right. Now, how in the world people would re-vote for Karen Bass is just beyond me, or Zohran Mamdani, how they voted him in. It's crazy, but, you know, we have a... We still have not really dealt with election integrity yet. We need to have election integrity, or we don't have a nation. And right now the Trumpsters doing his best, but even the Republicans, Scott Jerome Powell, will not pass the Save America Act because according to John Thune, he reports that five or six Republican senators are so mad at Donald Trump, they can't see straight. Just tell me what Trump wants. And like Bill Cassidy and Thom Tillis and Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Paul will go the, and Mitch McConnell will go the exact opposite direction. I think that concerns me. We vote for change, then it doesn't happen. And Republicans we vote for want to be part of the team to change America. But if we can't get to Save America Act passed by Republicans, we're in trouble.

Absolutely. I mean, I think that Donald Trump has got to, you know, take a leaf out of FDR's book, you know, the fireside chats, the education. He's got to educate these people. And yes, he's a tough guy. And, you know, Mitch McConnell's not running for election again and so forth. So many of them, you know, can't be primaried out. But I think we... You know, what Trump needs to do is elevate people's thinking about our country. This is, after all, the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. And we want to have a good future. You don't have a good future unless you have election integrity. So forget being mad at Donald Trump. You know, his style, he's a New York commercial real estate magnate. He was, you know, successful because he was a good decision maker, good manager, but he was a tough guy. And he's carried that into, that's part of his persona. But actually, that persona has been, I think, necessary in dealing with foreign policy. I mean, I think being a tough guy with Iran has worked when now we're going to cross our fingers that this peace deal works out. I hope. But, yeah, we all hope. We all hope. But the reality is that in politics, you shouldn't be too orient around the personality type, but rather look at the policies that the candidate represents. Look at what's good for America. There is, as far as the Save America Act goes, you know, over 80%. over 90% of Republicans, but even over 80% of Democrats that have been polled, favor the Save America Act. They favor voter ID in order to vote. They favor proof of citizenship before you can register to vote. They favor, you know, limiting mail-in ballots. They don't want elections to go beyond the election day. And I think they favored paper ballots. You know, we need to get back to a system that can't be corrupted. We're well aware that there's been corruption in our election system, and we haven't dealt with it. The Save America Act does precisely that. So these Republicans who are upset with Trump, get over it. Vote for this act because the American people want it. Yeah. Lastly, let's talk about George Washington's farewell address. I want to briefly go over the things Washington talked about. Number one, he was concerned the republic would be in constant danger if the public was poorly informed, which is what's happening today. We live in the information age, but so many people have no clue what's going on. Secondly, he warned about the dangers of factionalism. That is political parties. He did not like political parties. That's certainly a failed. Thirdly, he was concerned about excessive public debt to finance government programs. My lordy, what would he say about $50 trillion? And fourth, he talked about religion and morality continuing. Just pick one of those four and tell me what Washington would be most shocked about today. I think he'd be most shocked about...

the decline in the moral values of America. I think it's that latter point that you made that, you know, he was very concerned that... the disposition and habits of people that would lead to prosperity and success, both in our government but also in the private sector, really revolved around the virtue and integrity of people. And he saw that religion and morality were intertwined and that they were indispensable supports for helping people. remain moral and virtuous and it isn't that it's a it isn't just religion it's something within people you know you is as I said earlier there's there's not enough law enforcement to you know to to enforce all the laws what you have to have is self law enforcement in other words people restrain themselves people do what's right when no one is looking that's what comes about uh... when people have a relationship with god it's sort of we could call it the fear of god it's it's a healthy thing to want you know to to to live your life beyond reproach even when no one is looking and and now we we we find that if you can get away with it and this is true for the the politicians these our politicians are corrupt I can only imagine. I watch this study about how, like Nancy Pelosi's never made more than $175,000 in a year with two different homes. She's worth $410 million. Bernie Sanders complains constantly about the billionaire class. He's worth about $30 million spent his whole life in public office. And God bless Donald Trump. He was a billionaire before he came. You'll be a billionaire when he leaves. I know where his money came from. I like to know how Chuck Schumer's worth $50 million. I like to know how Maxine Waters has separate homes. She's never made more than $1.75. She's worth, according to her financial forms, $28 million. And they're benefiting from public office. Lastly, I want to point out something else in your column, Scott Jerome Powell. John Adams, the second U.S. President. most famous for his national moral imperative, said, quote, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other, quote, unquote. How would that apply today? Well, you just described the problems in the public sector with all the corruption of our elected officials. The reality is that they... They didn't care about what's right. They didn't care about, you know. Of course, there isn't a law against insider trading, and there should be. I used to work on Wall Street, and if you were involved in insider trading, you were thrown out of the industry. You lost your license. You couldn't practice.

Not in politics. Not in politics, right. And they make money. And then, well, I always think when I get down about Donald Trump and the deal with Iran, we have to, he's staking his presidency on the believability and trustworthiness of the Iranian National Guard, the Revolutionary Guard. He's staking his presidency on that. It concerns me greatly. But nonetheless, I can imagine America and the world on the 250th birthday. If Kamah Harris. was in the White House celebrating diversity as she defines it with wide open borders. with LBG2 rights completely validated with children, getting indoctrination with drag queens at the age of seven, also transgender surgeries, things of that character. Even the Cleveland Clinic has wised up and quit doing that. I think about the way things could have been, and I have to smile, and I'm glad Trump's in the White House. Scott Jerome Powell, I mean, imagine the road not taken. What if Kamala Harris was in the White House? Oh, I know. I know. Oh, and by the way, Bill, you've been a big fan of Rediscovering America, the book that I wrote about three, four years ago. This is the greatest book to read this year, and it's so easy to read. It's a short book. Each chapter can be read in not more than 20 minutes. And it's chapter by chapter. Each chapter tells a different story about American history. And the reader will learn things they've never heard before about, you know, the God's hand behind America. It's just so remarkable. And we need that hand. We need that help right now. It's on Amazon Rediscovering America. Scott Jerome Powell. Have a happy Fourth. May America, it has 250 more years. I'd like to see how things turn out. But Scott Jerome Powell, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham show. Scott, you're a great American. Thank you very much. Thank you, Bill. Thank you. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham, the Great American, with you live every Sunday night.

I'm Billy Cunningham, the Great American, I guess as we speak, there's still negotiations happening in Lysern, Switzerland. And at some point, I hope my good friend, JD Vance Van said, enough is enough. It may go all night long Lionel Richie style all night long. The Iranians, I think, will never concede to giving up nuclear weapons and their desires to kill men, women, and children all over the world. They kill many more Muslims than Christians or Jews. It is a death cult that must be eliminated. So we'll see what happens there. And I wish them all well, but I think about seven weeks ago we should have continued the bombing until they capitulate it. And right now, they think they have some cards to play. They're all jokers and deuses, but these mass murderers in Tehran don't understand what's coming. And I pray to God it does. Let's continue with more. Up next is Jeff Creweyer. There's a great column posted under the date of June the 15th. Tulsi Gabbard makes a grand exit. And it lays out pretty much. what the gain of function research was COVID-19. It appears America paid for the creation of COVID-19. Then we paid for the so-called experts like Anthony Fauci to lie. Then we paid for all the problems around the world and the media will not tell the truth. Go Cunningham with you every single time.

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Choice Hotels. Econolodge and Roadway Inn hotels are serving up double points for every qualifying stay. Book at Choice Hotels.com. Now, here's the man who's been recognized as Radio's best. The recipient of not won but two prestigious Marconi Awards for his broadcast excellence. The one and only, Bill Cunningham. Billy Cunningham, the Great American, of course, there was a major event happening on Friday. If a tree falls in the woods and no one sees it, doesn't make a sound. And having done a little bit of work on this, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR considers this story to be completely irrelevant and immaterial. And you may throw in the New York Times, Washington Post, and most other newspapers and periodicals. It wasn't a big story at all. You might recall also, we had something called COVID-19, breaking in the fall of 2019. That's why it's COVID-19. And it metastasized in America months later. And at that point, all hell broke loose. About one million Americans died or were killed by COVID-19. As luck would have it, if you're under the age of 16 or 18 without a pre-existing medical condition, all of the vaccines you took were completely irrelevant. Around the world, about 25 million human beings were killed by COVID-19, almost a mass extinction. You also had Dr. Anthony Fauci at all under oath testifying. that this unproven vaccine must be given to all the American people. If you work somewhere, go to school somewhere, in school somewhere, you have to get the vaccine or both. The teachers' unions worked hard to destroy public education, a complete catastrophe. And it was a minority voice at the time in the back of the room, maybe yours truly, Jeff Courier and Tulsi Gabbard Gerva in the back of the room, had your hand up. Are you sure we know what we're doing here? In other words, does this have to happen the way you say it's going to happen? And now it's come out that lies upon lies upon lies were told repeatedly by Anthony Fauci et al. And Tulsi Gabbard came on Friday, her last day, Juneteenth, in office, and she came with receipts, came with emails, and she made a grand exit. My friend and your chef crew air in New Orleans, radio talk shows and author, as a column penned under the day to June the 15th, Tulsi Gabbard makes a grand exit. Jeff Carrere, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Speak to the American people about your column and what it says about our media and about Anthony Fauci and thousands of others at all. Please explain.

Bill, thanks for having me. I think Tulsi Gabbard is an American treasure, a hero. I'm sorry to see her go. Obviously, she's got care for her husband who's dealing with the rare form of bone cancer, so we wish her and her husband well. But she left really with quite a bang, you know, releasing the truth about the Vanna syndrome. releasing the truth about Ukrainian bio labs and other bio labs all over the country that we are all over the world that we're funding. And then, of course, the bombshell about Dr. Anthony Fauci, who lied to us repeatedly. She's got the receipts. She backed it up with emails. And there should be... No doubt, and Rand Paul has been saying this for a long time, that he'd be charged, whether he had a pardon from the auto pen or not. And yeah, he lied to Congress. So he was involved in this gain of function research. He tried to suppress information about the true origins of COVID, which not a wet market bill. We know that was phony bologna. It was a lab. in Wuhan, where this originated from. And, you know, we were involved in this research. And it, I think, can be the case can be made that, you know, American fingerprints are on this, this COVID-19 pandemic, and he was trying to cover that up. And she got that information out before she left. Of course, mainstream news media is corrupt. No. They don't, they didn't tell us the truth. During COVID, they're not telling us the truth after COVID. We've got to do our own research. And thankfully, some of us did, did not take this vaccine, did not suffer all the health ramifications that others did. I had friends who died from it. family members who died from it. So it's very personal to me, Bill. And I just think she did a great public service in getting this information out. So now, I mean, the man needs to be prosecuted, whether you got a pardon from Autopan or not. Well, the vaccine killed many Americans and killed many around the world and the pharmaceutical companies who sponsor CBS News, ABC, NBC, etc. Maybe that's a connect the dots. But they were given immunity as part of this legislation. There were no human trials being conducted. It was a guesswork with MRNA vaccine. There were hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions around the world that are now disabled because of this vaccine that the American taxpayer paid for the creation of COVID-19. And once it was released, not because of a bat living in a cave or some damn wet market, the intelligentsia, the deep state knew early on if it is discovered that we have funded the COVID-19 vaccine, that we have 120 biolabs in 30 different nations, and that we caused this and that we paid for it, then all hell is going to break loose. So the media was enlisted along with Anthony Fauci and thousands of other American scientists to lie repeatedly.

about the origins and then when the injury started to pour in from the vaccine itself we were told how safe it was i can specifically remember Nancy Pelosi, Biden, Kamala Harris, all the Democrats in the world were saying, it is safe. If you get the vaccine, you're not going to get COVID-19. Scare the crap out of people. We shut down colleges, schools, universities, businesses, in order to give everyone vaccines that did not have to happen whatsoever. And now we're in a situation. The media is on complete shutdown mode to the truth. And I might ask you, Jeff Kerr, why? This is perfect for 60 minutes or 2020 or some expose from the New York. This is a perfect story for them. It is non-covered. Why? Well, because they're complicit. They were telling the lies during the entire debacle. And, you know, they told us that what we had done our own research and found that things like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were affected that was, you know, told to us that that was for animals, that that was ridiculous, that that was crazy. that that wouldn't help at all. And, of course, a force-fed remdesivir and all of these other treatments from Dr. Anthony Fauci that were, in my opinion, deadly. So they did a horrible job in telling the truth during this entire episode from the beginning. to now. We've had very few truth tellers out there. There are compromised because of the pharmaceutical companies that fund their programs. So we're not going to get the truth from them. It's going to take people in Congress, people like Ron Johnson, people like Rand Paul, to get this truth out there. And they need to keep pushing. I don't know if the new DNI is going to follow this. trail that Tulsi Gabbard blazed, but I certainly hope Jay Clayton, if he's a new DNI, will do that. But I don't know. She was sort of on her own out there and, you know, with some help and some members of Congress, but she didn't seem to get a lot of help really from within the administration. It looks like CIA people were complicit in helping Dr. Anthony Fauci hide the truth. So, I mean, the truth is scary. You outlined it very well. We were involved in the creation of this thing. We were involved in selling a phony vaccine. We were involved in suppressing the truth about the treatments that worked.

So there's a lot of blood and a lot of people's hands, Bill. Well, another issue that comes out because gain of function means you take a known virus and through DNA or other principles change the gain of function research to make it more lethal. And when Trump took office, he changed it in March of last year. But we had 120. funded by the U.S. taxpayer, different biolabs, and 30 nations around the world, including, you point out in your column, Jeff Creweir, that one nation disturbing home to dangerous biolabs is in where? The Ukraine. Ukraine. How about a four-and-a-half-year war, and 33% of these nasty gain-of-function biolabs are where in the Ukraine? And they're creating gain of function research for anthrax, tuberculosis, swine fever, whatever Newcastle disease is, MERS, SARS, Marburg, Ebola, the plague. and others, and four of the Ukrainian labs that we paid for, we sent $9 million under the Biden administration to continue gain of function research on things such as Ebola. And this is the biggest scandal. This is the biggest story in the 21st century. When 25 million human beings are killed, 2 million are disabled. In America, 1 million are dead, as many as another 1 million are disabled. And the government did it to ourselves. And it's a non-story in the media. How do you explain that? It is. It is. You know, Tulsi Gabbard's revelations didn't get much coverage at all. Fortunately, her online post about Dr. Anthony Fauci got about 28 million views, which is good. But she created that on her own. She got no help from the quote-unquote mainstream media. But the thing about Ukraine, she pointed this out in 2022. She raised questions about this. She was called a traitor by Mitt Romney. A lot of people said, you know, how dare Tulsi Gabbard raised this? This is a Russian talking point. She's a Russian agent. And of course, now she's been vindicated. I mean, where does she go to get her reputation back? I mean, where is Mitt Romney apologizing and all of these people that castigated her? and demeanage her. Where are they to apologize for the fact that they were wrong? She was right. And now we got the proof. One other issue. This is human lives that are lost on almost an extinction scale around the world and American taxpayer with the Chinese.

paid for this gain of function research. The Chinese certainly knew early on because you'd get the dots of where the cases were. They came right out of Wuhan, and Anthony Fauci and the thousands of others knew exactly what they did, had to concocta story about a bat. There was some bat cave, 900 miles south of Wuhan. This bat flew from the cave, and they flew into these wet markets in Wuhan, and they pinned it on the bat instead of on Anthony Fauci. This is the biggest scandal in the world, and our media won't cover it. And really, we've had very few in Congress that seem to be interested in it as well. Other than, you know, Ron Johnson and Rand Paul and a few others, it really hasn't received the attention that it should have. So that's what I think Tulsi Gabbard was hoping, you know, to use her final days to get this information out, to give it again to the public. and encourage, you know, Republicans in leadership positions to hold hearings, hold some people accountable, maybe encourage the Justice Department to launch another investigation into this. I mean, people need to be prosecuted for this. As you say, millions died. Yeah. I mean, this is not acceptable. This is not okay. This can't be swept under the rug. No. This needs action. Secondly, your article points out, Jeff Creweer. Tulsi Gabbard also provided a major public service last year by declassifying documents related to the 2016 Trump-Russia collusion hoax used by Democrats to destroy the first two years of Trump's term. And then when some pointed out, including Tulsi Gabbard, she came with receipts on that one, too. Explain the meeting in December of 2016, a panic meeting headquartered in the White House by Barack Hussein Obama to cover up the truth of what happened. Can you explain that to the American people? Yeah, I mean, basically, that was all about, you know, how they're going to pin this nonsense on Donald Trump, how they're going to connect him to Russia, to try to negate the election that just occurred in his victory, to try to put. this to put this over him for the first few years of his administration so that he's ineffective. So here's what it led to. I mean, they surveilled him. They surveilled his campaign. They obviously wound up launching the Mueller investigation that led to, you know, two years of turmoil for President Trump. They used a phony dossier that was concocted by a discreet. graced former British spy paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Of course, none of that, you know, came out in the public. That was divulged later.

And then you had people within the Justice Department collaborating like Peter Strach and Lisa Page. This whole thing, again, should have led to prosecutions and it did not. And President Trump was hampered in his first two years of his administration. Finally, when he gets vindicated from this, and Mueller comes out with the report to say there was no obstruction of justice here. He wasn't involved in it. Then they concoct the first impeachment almost immediately thereafter. So they were ready for the next way to hamstring President Trump. So thing after another that they set him up with. in his first term, and they've continued it in his second term. Well, what happened is, you know, at the meeting, I think it was December the 9th, 2016, Obama polls in Biden, Clapper, Brennan, James Comey, and say, gentlemen, we got a problem. We got this new guy coming in. We can't trust him. He's not George Bush. 43, we can't trust this guy. If he finds out what we did to concoct this scheme of the Russian collusion delusion, we're in... criminal difficulties so they concocted this idea of starting to surveil elements of the Trump administration in order to prove he was a Russian agent and when the Mueller investigation occurred and that fell apart, they switched to, they quickly switched horses and said it was a telephone call from Trump to Volodymyr Zelensky looking into the criminal behavior of the Bidens. And that was a perfect telephone call, as President Trump has said many times. Volodymyr Zelensky said there was nothing wrong with that call. And all President Trump was trying to do was say, hey, you know, we've got this situation here with Burisma. We've got this situation with Hunter Biden on the payroll here for this board. He knows nothing about this industry. Why is it getting paid all of this? Why did Biden have that prosecutor fired and then brag about it before the Council on Foreign Relations? Something to look into here. We've got some potential corruption. Yeah. So, yeah, it was a very legitimate thing for him to bring up to the new president, of course. Have about a minute remaining. Can these guys, can you indict Obama having opened up his great presidential library that looks like a mistake? We have a minute remaining. Can you imagine if down the road that grand jury in Florida indicts Barack Hussein Obama, Joe Biden, Clapper, Brennan James Comey, what happens? The world ends. Yeah, Hillary Clinton. I mean, the list is long. There were a lot involved in this setup that it should be looked at for criminal prosecution. You know, if that happens, then maybe we'll have people feel that we have justice again in this country because, again, people are wondering, you know, where's the justice? I mean, where these are wrongdoers are going to be held responsible for what they've done? So far, they haven't, Bill. So. Yeah, I hope that happens. You know, Biden gave all these partons on the way out the door, and I think these pardons should be looked at as well. I don't think they're legitimate if the auto pens sign the pardon. So we got a lot. We got to do, and we've got to do it quickly because if the Democrats take control, then who knows what's going to happen after that, Bill. Jeff Curry, we got to run. I want to get into what Democrats have done to once great American cities. That'll be for another day. But Jeff Carrer, thanks for laying it out. I'm waiting for the so-called...

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By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. A few years back, Professor Scott Gerber from Ohio Northern University had some difficulties. And because of his viewpoint discrimination happening in law school, you would think law school professors would be covered by the First Amendment, maybe not. And I want to get an update from Professor Gerber, what happened after two or three years of litigation. Plus, he's got a column. Right now and on Fox News that Clarence Thomas's view of the Declaration can help America recover its founding purpose. That would be great if that occurred. I think we're going the wrong direction in many areas. But first of all, Professor Gerber, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham show and give us a capsule. I can vaguely recall hedge on two or three years ago. You were fired unceremoniously. And then you went into litigation. It worked out well for you. Explain to the American people first what happened at Ohio, Northern, and Ada, Ohio. Explain that to the American people. Okay, well, it's good to talk to you, Bill. Well, the case settled. I was reinstated. The university admitted in the public portion of the settlement agreement that I was an outstanding teacher. scholar and in my committee work, and that I had done nothing wrong. And there's some confidential provisions that I cannot discuss. So I was represented by America First Legal, and they hired Ben Flowers. Since you're a lawyer, you'll know what I'm about to say. Ben was nominated in April by President Trump. to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Great. And Ben was my lead lawyer, and Ben is a brilliant young lawyer. And America First did a nice job for me, and I'm very grateful for that. And I'm also very grateful to the donors who contributed to America First so they could pay Ben and his colleague Julie Byrne and Andrew McCartney. and they could represent me so well. Are you able to give the facts of your case? As I recall, you were hauled out of the classroom. It was unbelievable. Yeah, there's a non-disparagement provision in there. There's no non-disclosure, but there's non-disparagement. And so I want to honor that, and so I'd prefer not to describe it. Okay, let's leave it at that. You have a column on Fox News, Clarence Thomas's view of the Declaration. And because of all the racial stuff going on in America, every now and then it races its ugly head. I'm thinking about Carmelo Anthony and Austin Medcaf and what's happening there. That racial issues are in the front of mine in Cincinnati. You're not from here. You're about 150 miles away. But we have a situation happening in Cincinnati in which police officers are told directly and indirectly do not arrest individuals who are black, make it more difficult. If you do arrest people that are black, you have to justify whatever it is you're having done. And you make a great point that I certainly agree that Clarence Thomas holds the highest office of any African-American. Perhaps in history, I guess the difference would be Obama.

As far as judiciary, number one, Clarence Thomas, second longing service member ever. He's exactly correct. But explain the view of Clarence Thomas when it comes to the Declaration of Independence how it applies today. Sure, that's a great question. And Clarence Thomas believes and has for his entire judicial career, And he started giving speeches about the declaration when he was chair of the EEOC in the early 80s. And so he believes that the declaration articulates the moral and political principles of the United States, including equality, and that the Constitution exists to implement those principles. And he was drawn to the declaration. He has said many times over the years. because he wanted to understand why someone like his grandfather would be treated so poorly. Um, and his grandfather stayed out of trouble just worked hard. And so Clarence Thomas believes that the law, including the constitution is colorblind and that equality under the declaration means that everyone should be treated as an individual, not as a member of a particular racial, religious, gender, whatever group. And that that idea is embodied in the phrase, all men are created equal. And that was taken by Thomas Jefferson from John Locke's political philosophy, which is if you're smarter than someone else and work harder than someone else, you should advance on the merits ahead of other people. And you shouldn't be advancing just because of your skin color or your gender or your religion and things like that. So that's it in a nutshell. And to go back to the Declaration of Independence, of course, is the mission statement. And the law is thereafter flow underneath that umbrella to fit within the framework of all men who created equal. And in the 1770, 1776, the idea that there was a large nation on the face of the earth. that said boldly all men are created equal and then also said that we believe in the republican form of government through democracy that the voters themselves determine how to govern their own affairs in 1776 how unusual a thought was that no it was it was enlightenment thinking as i said law uh jefferson drew from lock on that And obviously, also, the declaration commits us to the fact that we have rights that predate government. Government doesn't create our rights. Government's supposed to protect our rights, and it's certainly not supposed to infringe on our rights. And so that's what the Declaration says when it says we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and that they're endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And so Clarence Thomas believes that also. Yeah, what a novel concept. In fact, the other important part of the Declaration is that our rights come from God.

which in 1776 was what are you talking about uh god so god gives us rights of life liberty in the pursuit of happiness it doesn't guarantee us happiness we have to pursue happiness as we define it to be and so to say that all men are equal we're going to let people vote and rights come from god and the governments are instituted among men in order to protect the rights given us given to us from god And so one of the decisions, you point in 1995, which was an important case, that Thomas warned against racial paternalism, which mean that 30-some years ago, if you have set-asides based upon race, if you say because of the color of your skin or your race, you get a benefit that other people don't get. Clarence Thomas said, how's that? in compliance with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, it was not. So how did that idea survive for so long? You come from the academic environment, Professor Gerber, in which, I don't know about Ohio Northern when you were there for so many years, but nonetheless, there are so many colleges and universities and law schools, medical schools, that have racial set-asides that disadvantage other students. So how does Clarence, explain the Clarence Thomas treatment in the 1995 government contracting case? Yeah, that's a great point. And you had started out this interview by pointing out that Clarence Thomas is now the second longest. serving member of the Supreme Court. And I say that because when he first started making these arguments, including in the Adiran case from 1995 that you're mentioning, he was writing separate concurring opinions and dissenting opinions. He's been on so long and the power of his reasoning is so strong that he's now in the majority on these things. And most famously, as you know, Bill, in 2023, which is only three years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court said, that colleges and universities cannot, cannot use race and admissions decisions anymore. And they were never allowed to use it. No one's allowed to use it in hiring decisions. And so Clarence Thomas has been proved correct. I mean, he stuck to his guns. He kept making the argument over and over again and great detail and sophistication. And he won. Well, every now and then, I've been doing this for a long time, and many times we're pounding at the door, we're getting ladders up on the side of the wall, we're breaking out the windows, trying to get into the mansion house. And so every now and then I want to step back and say, okay, I know there's darkness everywhere. I know evil awaits around every turn in life, but there's a lot of good stuff going on. So when you have Clarence Thomas, who is reviled in the black community. saying to one and all, we live in a country where race should not be a cost and it should not be a benefit. But most of black Americans do not accept the idea of that. Why is that?

Oh, boy, we could spend all day on that. I'll give you just an example. I went to the University of Virginia. You're in Ohio. I went to UVA. And UVA, as you might have noticed from the news in the last year and a half, was under the gun from the Trump administration for its massive DEI apparatus. And they stonewalled the government, and that led to the ouster of the president at the time, Jim Ryan. But when I wrote an op-ed, I have two degrees from UVA, Bill, my PhD and also my law degree. And so when I wrote an op-ed when they appointed an interim president, and I just, it was an open letter and it was published, and I just said, you know, stop doing this DEI stuff. It's illegal. You can't do it. Just judge people on the merits. I got a blizzard of anonymous hate emails from people, you know, just because I was saying what the law was, they'd want to hear it. Why? Is it there's too much money? I mean, I'm looking here in Cincinnati. We have efforts completely in order to separate the races. I look at graduation ceremonies, separate graduation ceremonies based upon race. I look at admissions that still happen based upon race. It's continued. I think the liberals and the colleges, universities, law schools, they want to play stallball and run out the clock until Trump leaves office. And then they want to pack the U.S. Supreme Court I saw this morning again. Hakeem Jeffries, who's, I guess, going to be the speaker in November. the polls, which are often worthless. He said they're going to pack the Supreme Court, put four or five more on, that are left-ring radical liberals. They want to change everything based upon race, that somehow the idea that the Constitution and the declaration should be, in a sense, overturned. We don't want to go that route. There's too much money to be raised of those on the left who benefit from this. We have Cincinnati, a woman's name's Iris Roley. She's making a half million dollars a year to track down racism in the city police department, dominated by liberals and dominated for a lot of the last 10 years by black police chiefs. I guess Irish Roley is making too much money to acknowledge the obvious. And so we have this apparatus layer upon layer upon layer of DEI. And when you give me hope, you say, well, maybe it's changing. But is that permanent? Because I would think in the future that the colleges, universities, the urban areas aren't going to pay attention to Clarence Thomas anyway. How does he enforce something? There's some questions in there. Can you answer it? Yeah, that's an extremely important question. And I want to focus on one of the early parts of that statement that you made, and that is that the left is trying to run out the clock on President Trump. One of the great things President Trump did was right away he forbade this DEI stuff. And then he went at higher education hard because one of the worst offenders of it.

And so, you know, he took on UVA, but UVA is still doing it. You know, he took on these other colleges and stuff, and they're still doing it. And then these other colleges that he hasn't gotten to yet, they're still doing it anyway. They claim they're not, but most of them are still doing it. And they just hope they don't get caught. And so my fear is that the Trump administration is just going to run out of time, but also run out of... energy to go after these places places because you're right they just stonewall stonewall stone law because it's arrogance they think they know better they think the law doesn't apply to them it's outrageous but that's what they do and in my opinion people that are running for example colleges and universities that are knowingly violating the law should not be running those colleges and universities what kind of example is that that for the young people under their charge. These places know they're not allowed to do it, and they do it anyway, and then they lie about it or Stonewall. And that's what happened at the University of Virginia. Well, it's kind of sad that especially in law school, you spent your life as a scholar and as a law school professor at an Ada at Ohio Northern. I would think law school professors and law school students and deans would be particularly sensitive about following the law. That would be interesting. I would hope. You would thank, Bill, but the president of the University of Virginia that was forced out was a lawyer. He was a law professor at the University of Virginia. He finished number one in his class. He's a bright guy, but he's an arrogant guy. And so he just thought he was smarter than Harmeet Dillon, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, and he could, you know, play her and all of that. And she beat him. But they're still doing it. They're still doing it. And he, you know, what, so what happened to him? He gets to go back to the law faculty, making $825,000 a year. And this year he's on sabbatical, making $1.1 million a year for violating the law and stonewalling about it. That's a pretty soft landing. What does a law professor do on sabbatical? That's independent study? Independent study of what? The Constitution that he violates? Yeah, I had an op-ed on that about two weeks ago in the Virginia pilot, and he was interviewed. He finally sat for an interview for this softball journalist up in Charlottesville, and he said he spends a couple hours in the morning working on a trade book on leadership, but then the rest of the day, Bill, he goes to the gym, he goes swimming, he kite surfs, all this stuff. This is one point million dollars of taxpayer money for this stuff.

Good job if you can get it. You know, affirmative action is out. DEI is out. They come up with social equity, those kinds of things. And those who care about the law should try to enforce it or follow with. That certainly is not the case because there's too much economic benefits on the other side. And this guy is a perfect example that if you believe in the right things and implement when you get in power the right things, we're going to take care of you. If you don't do those things, we're going to sue you and make your life miserable. And here we are in June of 2026, the 4th of July is coming up in a couple weeks. And I'm thinking, my God, there are benefits to be derived when you hold certain political opinions, then when you get empowered to express them. And when you do, the system will care for you and love you and take care of you like this dean is now on sabbatical, $1.1 million. And it's a working process. I don't know what the country looks like in the next 250 years. at the 500th anniversary i'm not sure we're going to get there you and me professor gerber i'm not sure we're going to get there but at least a path set by Clarence Thomas as a mission principle statement that we ought to follow and that somehow we should get into a situation where that race discrimination benefits and cost uh should not apply to anyone as a membership in some group After all, the Democratic Party was the party of slavery and Jim Crow. Now they're the party of social equity and DEI. And at some point, they will continue until they are defeated. And I've said many times that we need another 20 years of the policies of Donald Trump and JD Vance and Marco Rubio, maybe that'll work because if they lose in the fall and then they lose in 2028 will become institutionalized. Well, we've got to run, Professor, and your column is that... Foxnews.com. It's everywhere. And once again, I want to check in with you. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham show. And I hope that Judge Flowers continues to do a great job on the Sixth Circuit. And God bless you, Professor, and God bless America. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. All right, bye-bye. Let's continue with more. Race discrimination is wrong, no matter who gets the cost and the benefits. It should not make a difference. That's the goal. And those are the brightest and the best in law schools, et cetera, should be the last people that disregard law and impose their own vision of what it should be. The truth will set us free. Bill Cunningham, the Grand American, live with you every Sunday night. Hi, Billy Cunningham. Thanks for listening tonight. Some great guests we've had on, Kevin Jackson and Jeff Creweer. And Father's Day night concludes if you've separated from your father, make a final attempt during the living years to reach dear dad and say, let's get together and talk about our problems during the living years. It'll be worth it. Once again, thanks for listening. Bill Cunningham, the Great American with you and all great Americans every Sunday night. Trade screen time for race time at Virginia International Raceway. August 21st through 23rd, IMSA's Michelin GT Challenge brings some of the coolest cars to VIR for an unforgettable family weekend. Explore, meet drivers, see race cars up close, and experience the thrill of racing from every corner of the track. It's more than a race. It's a memory waiting to be made. Kids 12 and under get in free. Get your tickets at VIRFam.com. That's VIRFAM.com.

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