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Today on CityCast Salt Lake, if you would like to join the pack running for Congress in Utah's new Democratic-leaning congressional district, this is your last week to decide. Plus, can Trump save the Great Salt Lake and some shoutouts? It's Friday, March 13th. I'm Ali Viata, and here is what Salt Lake's talking about. Executive producer Emily Means, good morning. Good morning, Allie. CityCast's all a contributor, Chandler Rosenberg, good morning. Good morning. Listen, you too. I am so moved by the latest round of Ken Garf billboards. So I have to ask you both. Pineapple on pizza? Milk before cereal? Have you seen? Guys, does that really work? Those billboards really enrage me? I'm like, people don't care. You're not going to buy a new car from Ken Garf? Because they're going to listen to me complain about my breakfast? No. Yeah, I love them. But I do think about the cereal one a lot. Uh-huh. Because who? Would in their right mind put milk in before the cereal? Come on. Me. And here's why. No. Explain. Make your case. Well, this is why I'm so impacted by these billboards because every time I drive down I 15 now, I revisit the cereal question. And some, I am more likely to have limited milk than limited cereal. And so I actually think. So you got to know what you're working with. It's good to like put the milk in and then figure out how much cereal you can send. I don't know. Send. Shout out to, shout out to Gengarp for really keeping us thinking in our commutes. I don't know if I can continue on with this recording. We don't have enough in common. That's it. That's how it ends, folks. Goodbye. In for real housekeeping, you guys. Citicast just launched a new podcast. It's called Your City Could Be Better. It is normally hosted by our CEO, David Plotz. But this week, we've got two city hosts breaking down a really important issue, which is federal policing. So Chicago's Jacoby Cochran is talking with D.C.'s Mike Schaefer about a new D.C. law that aims to hold federal agents accountable. Very interesting to me and probably other folks in Salt Lake City. If that's not a topic you're into, still check out this podcast. I was on last week talking about Utah's homelessness campus proposal, which didn't get funded. TBD on that one. Though I got a news alert that the president is applying some of that philosophy to veterans. as part of a new strategy related to homeless veterans. So, you know, lots to still learn from there. We've talked about data centers. We've talked about ICE in Minneapolis. This is a great way to, like, escalate your relationship with citycast and your understanding of what other cities are up to and how we can learn from each other. You got a new episode every Friday. Your city could be better is what it's called. It's going to pop up wherever you already listen to this podcast.

With that, let's talk about the thing that we've been avoiding talking about for so long now. The fact that this year is a midterm year and we've got new congressional districts in Utah and some new faces and old faces running to represent our state in those districts. This is the last week to file. So, you know, if you're thinking about it and you haven't decided, you better decide by March 13th. which is today. What are you waiting for? You have until 5 p.m. That's the time. Emily, lay out some of this timeline for us, please. So like you said, candidates need to file by today. And what we're looking at here, here's a quick primer on how you get on a ballot in Utah. You have two options. You can either gather signatures or you can go to your party's convention and be selected by. party delegates. Or you can do both, actually. And a lot of candidates do. You know, they like that security of having the signatures just in case something goes wrong at the convention. So candidates who are going the signature route have until April 11th, according to the Salt Lake Tribune's reporting, to gather enough signatures. And what they're looking at for these congressional candidates is 7,000 signatures. So it's a, you know, it's a good. Good chunk of people that you need to convince. It doesn't feel like that much to me, especially because you're just asking people to sign to put you on the ballot. But I guess I'm comparing it to like statewide ballot initiatives, which needed like $340,000 signatures. $7,000. $7,000 is doable. That's doable. And if you can't do that, then you probably shouldn't be in office. It's a good practice to organizing a effective campaign for sure. It's like a dry run. for campaigning. I mean, you probably have 7,000 neighbors, right? Who you can convince to sign your packet. Join some clubs. Hopefully you're in some clubs. Yeah. Sure, sure. But y'all, I think this congressional race, not just the one happening in Salt Lake City, where we have a new district, a democratic leaning one that we've got from this new congressional map. I think that... Obviously, that race is going to be really hot, but so will the Republican ones, right? Like, we've got three other congressional districts that are now kind of pushed out, no longer cutting into Salt Lake County. And we're already seeing people line up for those races, too, to challenge incumbents in those seats. Yeah, let's talk about those, because those are the Republican-leaning seats. Chandler. Which one do you think is the most interesting? I'll be honest with you guys. It's so much to keep track of. And like it's exciting the new maps and all of that. But I'm also from what I've seen in my quick glances, I'm just like, is anyone, I've yet to see on either side, you know, much politics that I'm interested in. Or no one's really putting forward like messages that feel meaningful to me. I did see that Phil Lyman entered the race, which, you know, he's one of our most fun. I think Utah political characters. So from like a.

social media perspective. I think that's kind of funny, not that I have thoughts on him, you know, winning. But Phil Lyman, former candidate for governor challenged Spencer Cox. I think also like a Spencer Cox gubernatorial election deniers still. Yeah. Right. Well, and I think the thing about Phil Lyman, I actually think our entire Republican federal slate is. very right wing. But I think Phil Lyman is less of a suit. That's like sort of his political like bend is that he's like this rural guy. He's like out there on his ATV, you know, he's. Yeah. I think he's an accountant. Is that right? Is he? I think he's an accountant. Yeah. But he is like very rural. He's from San Juan County. And yeah, Chandler, to your point, like what Phil Lyman is most famous for is leading an illegal ATV ride through some federally owned land. And then Donald Trump actually pardoned him. It's kind of badass. Like politics aside, it's funny. Yeah, he definitely is someone that you could characterize as a right-wing extremist. I think that Phil Lyman is perceived by a lot of people to be very distasteful. On the other side of that, he is sort of like a true economic populist in his approach. Like I do not think that if Phil Lyman was governor, which he would have tried to be, he would have signed a bill like HB267, which basically made it illegal for... public sector unions to bargain with the state. Like, I don't think he would sign anti-union legislation. Does that make sense? Like, he's, in that way, he's, like, interesting. I want more of that. Like, he's probably not the guy, but, like, I would love to see the Republican, you know, platforms move more in that direction of, let's talk about economics. Let's talk about making things affordable for everyday Utahans and find these, like, bridge-building platforms. And I think, I mean, like... At least last fall, that's kind of what I thought these races was going to be about. You know, we saw Trump talking more and more about affordability, and we've heard that from our legislative majority as well. But honestly, what it seems like now, and this is, you know, according to some reporting from Brigham Tomko at the Deserate News, is the races are going to be more about, like, proving your conservative bona fides. Like, I'm the most conservative in this race. Trump is endorsing me. How much does Trump like you? Yeah. How much does Trump like me? And we're already seeing that. I mean, Phil Lyman is challenging Congresswoman Celeste Molloy. Congressman Blake Moore has a challenger in... Representative Carrie Ann Lisenby, a state representative. We actually did see Representative Burgess Owens say that he wasn't going to run for re-election. That guy is very, very conservative, a full-on election denier. He seems to be the one the party kicked to the curb when they were like, we're going to lose a seat. It's you, Burgess. Right. His whole thing was very scary and depressing to me that he just swooped in, did not live in Utah.

became a politician. Yeah. I can't tell you anything that Burgess Owens did for this state or like had a hand in at all. I don't know this man. Yeah, I do not know this man. No one does. And then we've also got Congressman Mike Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who's a former, a former state legislator, anti-vaccine during the COVID era. He also proposes anti-trans legislation. So, you know, there's this idea that. these new districts are going to become more entrenched in their partisanship. And I just have a hard time believing that because look at who we already have. Like, they are not moderates. I don't, I don't know how it could possibly get more far right at this time. Yeah. Yeah. I hope you're right. Yeah. And I think that that's like also an important point to remember when it comes to deciding who we send to Congress. Like I think some of the nuances that you can appreciate in local governance disappear in D.C. a little bit. And it does become about. voting along party lines. And that's, that might be a more recent thing. To me, it feels like it's always been the way in this country, but I'm told by my elders that maybe it wasn't always that way. But, um, You know, whatever Republican or whatever Democrat we send, the lesson I think we've learned over the past decade plus is they're going to tow the party line. They are going to vote with the party. And so that's what all of our federal Republicans have done. And I think that's what we should expect from any Democrats that we send as well is like on some of these key issues, they'll vote with the party. They'll vote with the leader. minority or majority leader you know so um i i think that's one of the reason that federal races are like less interesting to me is because i think we lose a lot of that nuance and that sense of like real community representation that's that like parsing out of issues it's too far away yeah yeah uh Chandler I do want to ask you I mean what do you want to see from this election season we've got the primaries in what June um it's March June will be here before we know it and Every single one of these are crowded races, it seems like, or they're shaping up to be. What do you want to hear from these candidates? That is such a funny question. I have like completely divested my energy and hope from federal politics for the most part.

But yeah, I would love to see candidates on both sides in any district that are putting forward more concrete platforms talking about what you actually want to build, what you actually want to create, what you actually are for, and how you're going to work across party lines and how you're going to build consensus and, you know, build coalitions rather than just like, I'm going to do what Trump says or I'm going to fight Trump. I'm getting a lot of that, you know, especially in this Democratic primary. People kind of... vying for who can be the most like anti-Trump agenda candidate, which I'm just like, that doesn't mean anything to me, you know? Like, tell me what you're for. Tell me how you're going to get things done. So, you know, I would love to see some people that have some real ideas. Yeah. You're a real coalition girl. That's for sure. Yeah. Right. It's true. You are, Chandler. You're also kind of a Republican whisperer on the hill. Right. Yeah. I will say. I think like in terms of what a federally elected candidate has to do to stay in office, especially in Congress, which is every two years, and what I look for in a federally elected candidate in terms of the kind of responsibility I think they can take on, it's all about money for me. And I know that's cynical. And if that makes you feel cynical, that's valid. We're working with a pretty cynical system. But like... The big thing that your state office can do, the big thing that you can do in Congress is move money, move money into your district, manage money. Who has a good record managing money? How have they voted on things like budgets? Like, Do you buy their relationship with managing money? Because that is, I feel like, a huge piece of the job. That's the job. Like, this is the runway to the Olympics. How are you going to move money into this state? How are you going to get us funding for infrastructure projects? How are you? Like, that's where one congressional candidate can really come into play, you know? And then on the other side of that from the campaign side. Who can raise money? We had former congressional candidate Shereen Gorbani on this show a lot talking about this new map when it all came to exist. And the thing she brought up time and time again was like, a federal race is expensive. You need to raise money. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what your message is. If you can't tell people about it, because you don't have money to hire good staff and to reach them at the doors. So. I think it's always worth looking at who is a good fundraiser. And, you know, you don't have to be. there are all different kinds of ways to fundraise, but these races cost a lot of money. And that's also my least favorite thing about them. And that's why you will never catch me writing a check to a federal candidate because I think they're kind of a waste of money. No, not at all. And my dollars, my little $50 donation goes a heck of a lot further looking at the Utah state legislature and trying to shake up the makeup up there. I do want to. Sorry.

I kind of want to put a point on this conversation. I'm already seeing messaging from the Utah Democratic Party. They are trying to get people to switch their party affiliation to Dem, kind of, you know, reaching out to these folks who may have changed to Republican to vote in those primaries. I just need to let people know that you don't need to change your affiliation to vote in the Democratic primary. So if you're in Salt Lake City and this new Democratic district is really sexy to you. The primary is an open primary. It means that anyone can vote in it regardless of political affiliation. All you need to do is request a ballot. So I know that people are starting to get like mailers. I think our social media manager, Molly, got a mailer that said, hey, the deadline for changing party affiliation is April 1st. That's true. But just no. You don't need to do it. You don't have to do it. A real pro-democracy move from the Utah Democrats, I got to say, because Republican primaries are not open. You have to be registered Republican to vote in them. So. Before we move on, do you two want to know how much money each candidate has raised in this Democratic seat? Yeah, I do. You got the numbers for us? Yes, Bill. So this is quarter four of last year filing. So this is as of January 1st, but almost everyone, well, not everyone, but many had announced by then. So here's the rundown. Ben McAdams. Almost a million dollars. Former Salt Lake County Mayor, also former congressman, last Democratic congressman to hold a seat like this. Almost a million dollars. Next after that is state Senator Nate Bluin, $200,000. Oh. After that, former State Senator Derek Kitchen, $32,000. Current state senator Kathleen Reby, $27,000. Salt Lake City Councilwoman, Eva Lopez Chavez, just shy of $16,000. And then somebody named Anthony Tompkins with $120. That's a really big range. Right. That's a real, like, exponential. curve. And no surprise for former Congressman McAdams. He's got the name ID. He's got the contacts. He's done this before. And he was also planning to run in this race regardless of how the map shook out. So he was ready to, you know, do this when it was a Republican-leaning seat or a Democratic-leaning seat. And so I think that gives you an advantage because you're committed.

Chandler Rosenberg, you are a co-founder of Save Our Great Salt Lake. You do Great Salt Lake focused organizing and policy work at stewardship Utah. We love talking to you about the lake. You are our GSL muse. Guys, I love it. I've been saying GSL Gossip Queen lately, which kind of... Oh, sure. You're more than that, though. Yeah, no, no, it's deeper than that. But gossip is also important, so... Well, so we're a local news network, but we really think it's kind of fun when local stories go national because it's always fun to rag on national media and to see how we are perceived from afar here in Utah. So, of course, NBC News picking up a story about the Herculane goal to replenish the water in Utah's Great Salt Lake by the 2034 Olympics. Seems like the root of all of this. Maybe is a post from President Donald Trump on Truth Social saying, we must save the lake in Utah. In all caps. And did you guys see the video at the governor's banquet? No. He gave a little speech. Oh, my gosh. I have to send it to you. He talks about how we're going to save the Great Salt Lake, which is a real environmental hazard, not fake environmental hazard, like criticizing him for using hairspray indoors at Trump Tower. Oh, he's got so silly. The guy's got jokes at least, right? No, to be honest, it was funny. I have heard people from the BLM say the fact that he used the words environmental hazard is actually like groundbreaking for us. Like we haven't been able to do that. It's really interesting. I mean, yeah, I think there's a lot to say about this, but I think the national attention is for sure. moving the conversation forward, taking it to a bigger audience. My sense of where this is coming from is that we have a very famous good, good friend of President Trump who lives in Utah named Mark Burnett. And my sense is that's the connection here, right? It's actually not the governor. It's former apprentice producer Mark Burnett, who was also recently Trump's appointed special envoy to the UK. The governor did not get this done. Mark Burnett got this done, right? Yeah. I think the three of them met right before that governor's banquet, either that day or the day before, and raised this. Again, like, we don't know what the statement we're going to save Great Salt Lake from Trump means, if anything. I think there's a lot to unpack about, yeah, all of that. And that's what we want to ask you about. What does it mean? Yeah. What can Trump actually do about the lake, Chandler? Okay, so that's a big question. I mean, I think what people in the movement are saying is like, we want money. But there's a lot of fear as well. This has kind of raised a lot of discourse, I guess you could say, within the Great Salt Lake movement because, you know, rightfully so, many, many people.

hate Trump and hate Trump's agenda and are you know horrified you know by what he's doing to the country and to people and terrorizing and you know all across the world and so I think it's really confusing to be like wait when he says something good about something that we're fighting for like what do we do with that and that's an open question um I think you have a camp of people that are like, you know, myself included, fighting for pennies at the Utah legislature being like, this is good. This is good attention. This opens up the conversation and kind of validates concern for the Great Salt Lake among Utah's GOP. Like I heard Trevor Lee the next day say, did you hear it? Trump said we're going to save the lake. We're going to save the lake. He would have never said that before, which again, like. still doesn't mean anything real. So there's a lot of critique about, you know, there have been different groups kind of praising or even posting or saying this is exciting to have Trump say something. And then on the other side, people saying like, well, let's not praise him until anything's done. You know, this doesn't mean anything. He probably has some people think he has like a nefarious agenda. People either think they're criticizing that he has. What? some evil extractive plan someone's like oh he's going to build trump tower in the middle of the lake or that he has no plan and i'm like first of all i think it's neither you know i think what if he has concepts of a plan he might have concepts of a plan i think i think this is kind of the moment we're at now is it's like okay he's made these statements there's clearly some modicum of interest here like what can we do to get our best ideas in front of him yeah well and i think i mean to that point i don't think it's on Trump to have a plan to save the lake, right? It's on, it's on our state leaders. It's on the coalition that you've been building, Chandler, because they know this issue better than anyone. I don't want Trump's plan to save the Great Salt Lake. I don't want any of their plans, frankly. But what I am seeing is that Cox is going to ask Trump for a billion dollars to support Great Salt Lake efforts. So, yeah, what do you think about that? Yeah, so Cox, I think is putting together kind of a request for this billion dollars. The lake needs so much money, you guys. To me, I'm like, we are so desperate. Terry Tempus Williams said, you know, if we're saying all hands on deck, this means Trump's hands too. Like, we need that money to save the lake. I think there is a concern that if he gives us a billion, does that mean the state starts giving less because they start depending on that. Yeah. So that is a fear. But yeah, what is the money for? Okay, so. No one knows. People kind of assume that it could be... Concepts of a plan. Yeah, I think like the best and maybe most popular idea, biggest idea is we need more money for water leasing. So just to speed up the water that we're leasing from farmers. I think we could use a lot of money for beefing up conservation programs, increasing capacity of conservation staff across municipalities, across agencies. And by water leasing, you mean... essentially like buying farmers water rights so that we can send that water to the lake instead of alfalfa yeah exactly so it seems like i mean there are a ton of ideas here right there are a ton of people working on this issue in utah uh and maybe getting these federal dollars can really kickstart that although we have seen

Mother Earth herself has applied enough pressure that we've made this the hottest issue in the state. And that's cool because they could just be like, we're draining it. Totally. We're developing over it. Forget it ever existed. I think it's huge. And I think it's like easy to ignore how revolutionary it is that we are having conversations like this with Utah's like super majority. I don't know. I think it's just a really unique situation. But I think. Yeah, you see within the movement like this need for perfection in the right kind of language. And, you know, someone was like, well, I don't want Trump's engagement because he probably doesn't care about environmental justice. And he's just going to talk about this in terms of property values, which true. But also, who cares? So is Josh Mitt Romney. Yeah. Like. I think that's what's so unique about this issue is that we have the environmental justice and the property values people coming together. Like this is, I can't really think of very many other things where you have this broad coalition. And I think maybe the moment we're in now is like, how do we figure out how to work together, given that there's so many different politics? represented within the movement and that we all need to move forward together. And so how can we do that in a way that supports the lake and supports just like progress without the infighting that just ends up killing our best ideas?

Emily Means and Chandler Rosenberg on Friday we do Pick of the Week. These are the things bringing us joy or hope or delight this week. I have to give a quick shout out to our sponsor for this week's Pick of the Week segment, which is the beautiful Utah Museum of Fine Arts. Their monthly free day is next Saturday, March 21st. And they've got a really special thing going on. So they do this third Saturday for families. And... Everyone I know who has kids, always looking for something free to entertain them. This is a big one. From 1 to 4 p.m. on Saturday, March 21st, you can bring the whole family down to the Utah Museum of Fine Arts and then inside their Acme Lab exhibition. And kids can make, and adults, I should say, can make their own chess set using found objects. Which is connected to an exhibit that they've got in there called The Art of Play. Say no more. I'm fully supportive of the art of play. More play, please, always. But the third Saturday of every month is always a free admission day at the UMFA. So always a great opportunity to go see their new exhibits, like the one they've got now, storywork, the Prince of Marie Watt. That's cool. That's cool. Chandler, are you a chess girl? You know, at times, I was always told as a kid to play chess to get better at volleyball. So I did a little bit of chess. Yeah, I don't totally see the connection. Strategy, strategy. I believe you. I like chess. It's hard, though. So it's been a minute. I haven't played in a long time. It's really hard. It's really hard. And you need a patient teacher who will play against like a terrible. opponent for years to get you up to speed. Like tennis. I can see an A24 film now. Yeah. Allie Supreme? Yeah. Um, okay. Let's do pick of the week. Chandler, you're our guest of honor. What's your pick of the week? All right. So after the legislative session, I like to get as far out of my normal life as possible. Um, St. Patrick's Day is coming up. I usually don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day because I don't drink. And it's, but this year, 49th annual St. Patrick's Day Parade and Shiamsa is on tomorrow. at the Gateway. Yeah. So parade begins at 11 a.m. And then there's just a festival until 5 p.m. food, drinks, vendors, music, dancing. I will be bartending from 11 to 1 at the big bar is what I'm told. Oh, wow. That would love to see you. That's a tough job, Chandler. My friend Roger has been the bartender. He's also kind of like the unofficial mayor of the Irish community in Utah, Roger McDonough. If you're lucky. you will catch him singing some beautiful Irish folk song. It's gorgeous. They have a really strong and beautiful culture and I appreciate that. So come on down. Shout out to Roger. Sounds like a good time. St. Patrick's Day is an amateur drinking holiday. But I think I'm also thinking about celebrating this year because the weather's just going to be so beautiful. Come outside. Let's hang out. Yeah, exactly. Emily, what about you?

I am going to be watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives this weekend. So if anyone wants to talk about it, I am here for that. But my real pick of the week. Really? Yeah. Those women are interesting to you? That show is interesting to you. I read Macy's book. You're one of the smartest people I know. And I just feel like. Chandler read Macy's book. It's for like the Mormon sociocultural. I like it exactly because of that. Because I grew up in Utah and basically all of these women are the types of women that I went to high school. It's very relatable. And it's just like a fascinating cultural study to me. Okay. What I see is I'm just like, oh, this is just a different track out of the Mormon church than the one that I, you know, like it's just like the same trauma that I have, but just expressed differently. So it's very interesting. Okay. Okay. I will say, Ali, we're not alone. This is like the top watch show on who. No, I know. So. Anyway, I had a real pick of the week, which was... This is why we're not the number one podcast on Apple Podcasts. But we are the best of Utah podcast. So my real pick of the week is this story from Bridger Biel Savatco at KSL about a Utah legislator who cast the most no votes in 20 years. Her name is Leah Hanson. She's a Republican from Saratoga Springs. Legend. She voted no 54% of the time. And... One of the reasons I like this story is because she explained why she voted no. And one of the reasons was that she hadn't read the bills. So she said, I'm sure there were a lot of good bills that I could have voted yes on. But for all the reading I did, I still didn't get to all the bills that came through. So I voted no because I hadn't read them. That is so sick. That is so legitimate. Finally someone's being honest. Cackling. Because you know how many of people. voted yes on things they didn't read in both parties we constantly end up in a place where they're like oh full disclosure i didn't read it i didn't read that sports and entertainment district online one beating last year's record of the most bills ever like that process is so she's kind of like protesting how many bills we have i feel like i love i am just i'm fascinated by her so Shout out to KSL for this reporting. And, yeah, Representative Hansen, wow. Way to stick it to the man. Honestly. Quick shout out to Representative Okerlund, who I worked with on water, but he tried to run a bill limiting the number of bills that legislators could present for this reason. There's no way that we can actually create good policy with a system like this. Anyway, Allie, what's your pick of the week? So my pick of the week is I got to go and be on a panel where I was the only. non-Salt Lake City government employee in the room this week, which was so much fun. I got to meet all the many wonderful people who quite literally run our city. And that was cool. But while I was in the building, which is the Sorensen Center over on the west side of Salt Lake City, I saw this cool office in there. And I decided to poke my head in and see what it was about. And it is Salt Lake donated dental services. So. Who knew? Not I. But you can go and get low cost or totally free dental care there. It's a full dental clinic. And I think something in this country that is often discussed is that when it comes to conversations about healthcare, we act like our teeth are just...

little sort of ornaments that we're lucky to have. Accessories. And not essential to our health and wellness. And a lot of people who might even have some form of health care might not have dental. So if that's you, head on over. Salt Lake donated dental services. If you Google them, you'll also see they have a phone number you can call and just. Tell them a little bit about your situation and whether you're looking for a cleaning or an extraction or you've got a cavity or whatever. And they can probably give you a quote and tell you more about how they could help. That's awesome. Love that. Really cool. Affordable option, especially. This is why they paid the big bucks, just snooping around for. Thanks for snooping. Dental offices. I mean, I think this is probably very important for people to know about since we no longer have fluoride in the water. And we know that it mostly will impact like low income folks in our community. Yes. And all those, all those associated health issues. So yeah. Yep. Cool. Good fun. All right, you two. Thank you for your time. Executive producer Emily means City Gas Salt Lake contributor Chandler Rosenberg. I'll see you around. I'll see you at the St. Patrick's Day Parade. Can't we. Have a great weekend. See you guys. Happy St. Patrick's Day. That is all for us today here on CityCast Salt Lake. Our executive producer is Emily Means. Our producer is Ivana Martinez. Our newsletter editor is Terina Ria. Our social media manager is Molly Malocia. And our host is me, Ali Vallayette. Music is by the local band, mitochondria, with additional music from all the kimonos, Arc de Sole, Wendy Marceny, Sven Lindval, Bagel, and Measlo. We would love your support for this show at membership.citycast.fm. Number one best way to keep us in your feed every weekday morning. We will be back on Monday with more from around town. Take care.